From unknown Sun Aug 17 01:55:16 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5677: help messages should be more forthcoming as to why they don't know where a function came from Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 5677 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: 5677@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: 572409@bugs.debian.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.126767122221963 (code B ref -1); Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:54:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Mar 2010 02:53:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1C2-0005iC-Ba for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:42 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1C0-0005i6-Vj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:41 -0500 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:37051 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1Bx-00060p-Ag for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:37 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1Bw-0007mf-La for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:37 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on monty-python X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,NO_REAL_NAME,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:50498) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1Bw-0007mT-Gz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:36 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nn1Bw-0007qI-9b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:36 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50787 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nn1Bv-0007qA-Fw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1Bu-0007rf-N1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:35 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcaid.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.83]:60463 helo=homiemail-a14.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1Bu-0007rW-Iz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:34 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-5-231.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.5.231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A10908C060; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:53:31 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org References: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:53:29 +0800 Message-ID: <87ocj4iyqe.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) Sometimes we see C-q runs the command quoted-insert, which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `simple.el'. Sometimes we only see tempo-template-html-header-6 is an interactive Lisp function. I.e., where the function came from is a mystery. I propose that the help functions involved say more as to why they can't figure out where the function came from, and perhaps even invite the user to report a bug if he knows where the function came from. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 04 14:27:22 2010 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Mar 2010 19:27:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NnGhe-0004W9-GR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:27:22 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NnGhc-0004W3-VT for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:27:21 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NnGGM-0005Ic-Oa; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:59:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19344.766.609527.736801@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:59:10 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: control X-Attribution: GM X-Mailer: VM (www.wonderworks.com/vm), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs) X-Hue: cyan X-Ran: rs5z`x+wmD]Fug%R[9\%X4?8+5-_{y~xrLFmNb.yV!ie'g-asP]9?xud$1ETVR}cA-R,B? X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) reassign 5681 emacs,gnus merge 5647 5681 retitle 5679 terminus oblique fonts severity 5677 wishlist tags 5677 moreinfo severity 5673 minor retitle 5664 view-lossage may show passwords and sensitive information tags 5669 patch tags 5675 moreinfo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 06 04:01:09 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2011 08:01:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBitA-0005k8-Uc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 04:01:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBit9-0005k1-41 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 04:01:07 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBit1-0002TI-Fy for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 04:00:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 04:00:59 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 5677 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) tag 5677 wontfix From unknown Sun Aug 17 01:55:16 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.428 (Entity 5.428) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: bug#5677: closed (Re: bug#5677: help messages should be more forthcoming as to why they don't know where a function came from) Message-ID: References: <87ocj4iyqe.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 5677 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: moreinfo wontfix Reply-To: 5677@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 01:09:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1329872942-14075-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1329872942-14075-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #5677: help messages should be more forthcoming as to why they don't know w= here a function came from which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 5677@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 5677: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D5677 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1329872942-14075-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 5677-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2012 01:08:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49512 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S00gy-0003dz-5D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:08:24 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:54507 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S00gv-0003ds-D1 for 5677-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:08:22 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S00ef-0001ii-1k; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:06:01 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 5677-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#5677: help messages should be more forthcoming as to why they don't know where a function came from References: <87ocj4iyqe.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> X-Spook: MIT-LL 9705 Samford Road Ruby Ridge KGB colonel jihad X-Ran: iZhr$*F{{sbd/X{\|I"&H]Z?o1d74\=uQ~\X4soFG3M!:qvp(ztjhws9uHu''f`FINsHw7 X-Hue: cyan X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:06:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87ocj4iyqe.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:53:29 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5677-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) If the could knew why they could not find the definition, then they would probably be able to find the definition. So: no. Closing as wontfix. ------------=_1329872942-14075-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Mar 2010 02:53:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1C2-0005iC-Ba for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:42 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1C0-0005i6-Vj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:41 -0500 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:37051 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1Bx-00060p-Ag for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:37 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1Bw-0007mf-La for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:37 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on monty-python X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,NO_REAL_NAME,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:50498) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1Bw-0007mT-Gz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:36 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nn1Bw-0007qI-9b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:36 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50787 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nn1Bv-0007qA-Fw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1Bu-0007rf-N1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:35 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcaid.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.83]:60463 helo=homiemail-a14.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1Bu-0007rW-Iz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:34 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-5-231.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.5.231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A10908C060; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:53:31 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: help messages should be more forthcoming as to why they don't know where a function came from References: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:53:29 +0800 Message-ID: <87ocj4iyqe.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: 572409@bugs.debian.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) Sometimes we see C-q runs the command quoted-insert, which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `simple.el'. Sometimes we only see tempo-template-html-header-6 is an interactive Lisp function. I.e., where the function came from is a mystery. I propose that the help functions involved say more as to why they can't figure out where the function came from, and perhaps even invite the user to report a bug if he knows where the function came from. ------------=_1329872942-14075-1--