From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 03 21:53:42 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Mar 2010 02:53:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1C2-0005iC-Ba for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:42 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1C0-0005i6-Vj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:41 -0500 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:37051 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1Bx-00060p-Ag for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:37 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1Bw-0007mf-La for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:37 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on monty-python X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,NO_REAL_NAME,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:50498) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1Bw-0007mT-Gz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:36 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nn1Bw-0007qI-9b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:36 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50787 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nn1Bv-0007qA-Fw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1Bu-0007rf-N1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:35 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcaid.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.83]:60463 helo=homiemail-a14.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nn1Bu-0007rW-Iz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:53:34 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-5-231.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.5.231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A10908C060; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:53:31 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: help messages should be more forthcoming as to why they don't know where a function came from References: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:53:29 +0800 Message-ID: <87ocj4iyqe.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: 572409@bugs.debian.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) Sometimes we see C-q runs the command quoted-insert, which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `simple.el'. Sometimes we only see tempo-template-html-header-6 is an interactive Lisp function. I.e., where the function came from is a mystery. I propose that the help functions involved say more as to why they can't figure out where the function came from, and perhaps even invite the user to report a bug if he knows where the function came from. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 04 14:27:22 2010 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Mar 2010 19:27:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NnGhe-0004W9-GR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:27:22 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NnGhc-0004W3-VT for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:27:21 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NnGGM-0005Ic-Oa; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:59:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19344.766.609527.736801@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:59:10 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: control X-Attribution: GM X-Mailer: VM (www.wonderworks.com/vm), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs) X-Hue: cyan X-Ran: rs5z`x+wmD]Fug%R[9\%X4?8+5-_{y~xrLFmNb.yV!ie'g-asP]9?xud$1ETVR}cA-R,B? X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) reassign 5681 emacs,gnus merge 5647 5681 retitle 5679 terminus oblique fonts severity 5677 wishlist tags 5677 moreinfo severity 5673 minor retitle 5664 view-lossage may show passwords and sensitive information tags 5669 patch tags 5675 moreinfo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 06 04:01:09 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2011 08:01:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBitA-0005k8-Uc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 04:01:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBit9-0005k1-41 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 04:01:07 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBit1-0002TI-Fy for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 04:00:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 04:00:59 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 5677 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) tag 5677 wontfix From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 21 20:08:24 2012 Received: (at 5677-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2012 01:08:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49512 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S00gy-0003dz-5D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:08:24 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:54507 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S00gv-0003ds-D1 for 5677-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:08:22 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S00ef-0001ii-1k; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:06:01 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 5677-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#5677: help messages should be more forthcoming as to why they don't know where a function came from References: <87ocj4iyqe.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> X-Spook: MIT-LL 9705 Samford Road Ruby Ridge KGB colonel jihad X-Ran: iZhr$*F{{sbd/X{\|I"&H]Z?o1d74\=uQ~\X4soFG3M!:qvp(ztjhws9uHu''f`FINsHw7 X-Hue: cyan X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:06:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87ocj4iyqe.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:53:29 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5677-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) If the could knew why they could not find the definition, then they would probably be able to find the definition. So: no. Closing as wontfix. From unknown Thu Aug 14 22:17:45 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:24:15 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator