From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 09 10:05:45 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2022 14:05:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35664 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oAB5c-0000hp-VR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2022 10:05:45 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:46596) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oAB5b-0000hh-LC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2022 10:05:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53332) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oAB5b-0006DL-Cp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2022 10:05:43 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f178.google.com ([209.85.214.178]:35636) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oAB5Z-00075O-PM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2022 10:05:43 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f178.google.com with SMTP id y18so1031216plb.2 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2022 07:05:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=658KzVFQXqcwImWjhglj6KhAA3i1BAJV9WdZuv67IUg=; b=Y14rucQ05eMMXFHh58TK2BEowFoc8WnbEVVcaw3fJSl94IJa8mu2n9YOSlkO1Q4gbU bjg6HYHs2v1yOsyrJCbUChJtbMYptrU6e6GWfxewiuueiFleTu6vEMN/hiQXpNdrNIx4 YZ9XADVGFdurGuviu4NSYa8gBsOcd628ze9F2cNnv0T6W0peHZAxJPjHRzY0wu0ZQJ6D vk8tquVLuN+Ihg+37TSErkPSEroAq4USN5x5G/ciJ6oDk5nTD6VyuoZTOlPgtZihSab9 wdVte71K47Cz7fBjOpA+Nw8foSOhRky3AZ8lMYEF+d28Ahopbhkbx5txwDtmhPs1sfAv rUUA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora+p40T7q1oFAxEMa75YxyPi4yKTkoZHAkloPZHw49L/8OGrIRIi 5gTY4bGiQeAAYUMi1qIW1UOgcNsNhVEnOw1Sp5vlDSt6 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1uGTNmBnHN9EgjEEVZWBvpUkMTROqkE1S/bVlDYrjWLrxqNCIvPZF7vr4Usar/t9lZ8LraCCNhr+3dzpxj9gM8= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:4f85:b0:1f0:95d:c02b with SMTP id qe5-20020a17090b4f8500b001f0095dc02bmr4598870pjb.89.1657375539571; Sat, 09 Jul 2022 07:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 07:05:38 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas X-Debbugs-CC: Glenn Morris MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 07:05:38 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.214.178; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-f178.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) Severity: wishlist I guess net/rlogin.el should be obsoleted. It has a pretty bad name (no one uses rlogin these days) and seems to add nothing useful over e.g. `M-x shell RET ssh '. See this comment at the top of that file: ;; FIXME? ;; Maybe this file should be obsolete. ;; https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2013-02/msg00517.html From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 11 06:34:44 2022 Received: (at 56461) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2022 10:34:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38441 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oAqkW-0000Pf-2I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 06:34:44 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:49550) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oAqkU-0000PO-3h for 56461@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 06:34:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=9+qzgM4CuCnps5lCTA8a4u5F25bRHIGwG4TamZsG0wo=; b=Bou48HBGNlhUPFyrKzfXcbkfnv Oat7PNYXqEBeYbLE/M0OETTOBK6DAbWgQ5Xxuj/A7gV1dMZZ1TtclgBObzSYAwq5sgJ6SHWsRqhi6 HXn68X5fCcbg3Ilz+SGKIZ7yR/I4uS5zbLCy4LFBkiBcpg+R/6czSBKUCkZ0iuWud18I=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oAqkK-0001nn-Ue; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:34:35 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sat, 9 Jul 2022 07:05:38 -0700") References: X-Now-Playing: Soft Cell's _Cruelty Without Beauty: Remixes_: "Monoculture (2020 Extended Mix)" Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:34:31 +0200 Message-ID: <875yk4ym2w.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > I guess net/rlogin.el should be obsoleted. It has a pretty bad name (no > one uses rlogin these days) and seems to add nothing useful over > e.g. `M-x shell RET ssh '. 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Yes, I agree -- it should be obsoleted. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 11 06:42:50 2022 Received: (at 56461) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2022 10:42:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38466 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oAqsM-0000di-G4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 06:42:50 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-f46.google.com ([209.85.128.46]:36516) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oAqsK-0000dS-66 for 56461@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 06:42:48 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-f46.google.com with SMTP id i128-20020a1c3b86000000b003a2ce31b4f8so4759921wma.1 for <56461@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 03:42:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=As3tS0D5++QEGAiKDeiSVF1FY441zCvBMcv+AyMjH10=; b=LxWQoWHds7c1YSYB51bBQW7NsXO5LzCdvMArZGR27mFKb4WBrOeJ774f01dXweKKv3 9NknZp41F8Bc0M0jTs4olhM/2wYhpOnI6zvLlK+WbdzZFtjDPZVAXZiIUCWz+8Y2sYdL ernMMPvpsuSztFtzrzkhRa8VQL/oqtBHL52pkP2iGehuuRB7dAUqaQohgAHKVIM/wSqM osKPhhx0/3Pc+K7W4t1h8HcTtLIx2mQ4W10ic5epT+kVM+hR2GbwsoVcoVRM2vpTGCjW Kk8mjI8qN5R5zPeO6I8w03iVna3y/9NuH6UnE1raQ6f7Fvvj7X8F+sy9S6D+o7jg9vGK qeRA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=As3tS0D5++QEGAiKDeiSVF1FY441zCvBMcv+AyMjH10=; b=oB5wXZ1yGZieyOe4t9hS6Z2KSPVmZ+Y0IPtlstoXpy/Ut0z+8r45+jswGqlk811i6O OboGzpjJCjYY8xAoie0cQZUEKimAUVvuMY84jLA/Wiz03OQQiOhezuAcPWBbQ0Rkp83d ZnoERCrNTzWLCR3yVN9hK/vQieZ8lagCsi0LBjii6qcI51rTJptxGt7Iv5rpNY/o3LDa yEFLmvqjJzYMGRplhvbbh7N3H19PIfAko2cK4/dd/IA9TbaHbkrEFjaAFN68b5hqavXo gST2RCYeV6lo5G9aO2sQJobBw0WSS1lczWlBZZ0TYVemQzNaA47N7Vod9veubcqsWui1 VHQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora/8QSLzgo3Wh6cyCpf0SnGuE25KSa3U/CNxZS/WRgZjHb+SmXf0 pb42jIMoA2KYGSxsyC+CEwbUWnvcxws= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1sdktr842fQEtR82dKhuDs+EDvDir37u64mXahqejnZJl9b6XUxhmJ8Mb8p31tFgoYiCUb97g== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c017:0:b0:3a0:355d:a965 with SMTP id c23-20020a7bc017000000b003a0355da965mr14803276wmb.173.1657536162109; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 03:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rltb ([2a01:e0a:3f3:fb50:ba5:3a36:aec4:f05e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k28-20020a5d525c000000b0020fcc655e4asm5526014wrc.5.2022.07.11.03.42.41 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 11 Jul 2022 03:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete In-Reply-To: <875yk4ym2w.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:34:31 +0200") References: <875yk4ym2w.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:42:41 +0200 Message-ID: <87pmicexr2.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56461 Cc: Glenn Morris , Stefan Kangas , 56461@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:34:31 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen said: Lars> Stefan Kangas writes: >> I guess net/rlogin.el should be obsoleted. It has a pretty bad name= (no >> one uses rlogin these days) and seems to add nothing useful over >> e.g. `M-x shell RET ssh '. Lars> Yes, I agree -- it should be obsoleted. How about we just remove it? I know it defaults to using ssh these days, but we just shouldn=CA=BCt mention the r* commands anywhere. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Robert Pluim writes: > How about we just remove it? I know it defaults to using ssh these > days, but we just shouldnʼt mention the r* commands anywhere. Obsoletion is a nice process -- it avoids breaking people's .emacs files in the unlikely case they're using rlogin.el. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56461 Cc: Glenn Morris , Stefan Kangas , 56461@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Robert Pluim writes: > How about we just remove it? I know it defaults to using ssh these > days, but we just shouldn=CA=BCt mention the r* commands anywhere. Obsoletion is a nice process -- it avoids breaking people's .emacs files in the unlikely case they're using rlogin.el. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 11 07:36:12 2022 Received: (at 56461) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2022 11:36:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38623 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oArhz-0000K5-Ty for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 07:36:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48548) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oArhy-0000Js-If for 56461@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 07:36:10 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52008) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oArht-0005D8-9F; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 07:36:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=9Y9MfpmazttRFLA5qDyEUqEgCIj0gybFtAGzkQS6mmE=; b=O4q0C15Ncj7/AyiPEu/f 55i5swScX0JVXoNaLoddaDgho/21/EzdhJb8gDk3zwfPUxDiCFurvhghTfz9I5g0Hgw7liveJHXUT nHhL0vd98ToM1KaBd3Rme8Ww9Fu9WLLs90OJpvWfsh1Y+j2HQAcz7F6C4YN/GBcBLWs+4cbSG2d3Y 7Vw2idRY7KXwNwTWYx8m30xVlWxpAUnXKa3xt4ebg9RQGsf6zafRtl3DXzcPVxbresJVsf2VfxK4l uCp2E9DSXUrVEjzY9iwGq5cdjWud215KrBSvfhT4R1MpGEY/gSCWivhpwr51Na9DBL2RCDf4Ywp+H 8ALdjVvDE0jbOw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3803 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oArhk-0000ML-LZ; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 07:36:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:35:38 +0300 Message-Id: <83sfn7zxth.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Robert Pluim In-Reply-To: <87pmicexr2.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Robert Pluim on Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:42:41 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete References: <875yk4ym2w.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmicexr2.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56461 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se, 56461@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: Glenn Morris , Stefan Kangas , > 56461@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Robert Pluim > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:42:41 +0200 > > >>>>> On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:34:31 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen said: > > Lars> Stefan Kangas writes: > >> I guess net/rlogin.el should be obsoleted. It has a pretty bad name (no > >> one uses rlogin these days) and seems to add nothing useful over > >> e.g. `M-x shell RET ssh '. > > Lars> Yes, I agree -- it should be obsoleted. > > How about we just remove it? I know it defaults to using ssh these > days, but we just shouldnʼt mention the r* commands anywhere. We don't remove stuff before we obsolete it and let users adapt themselves (or holler). 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Does this hold also for e.g. (info "(tramp) Overview") ? 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I've removed some references in commit 050252043f but there are more references to remove if anyone wants to take a look. 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Mon, 11 Jul 2022 09:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 09:10:27 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <875yk4ym2w.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:34:31 +0200") References: <875yk4ym2w.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 09:10:27 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56461 Cc: Glenn Morris , 56461@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) close 56461 29.1 thanks Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> I guess net/rlogin.el should be obsoleted. It has a pretty bad name (no >> one uses rlogin these days) and seems to add nothing useful over >> e.g. `M-x shell RET ssh '. > > Yes, I agree -- it should be obsoleted. Thanks, now done in commit 512e1db7ba and cd5a8f9cc1. 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