From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:28:36 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#56440: Don't contrast TRAMP to Ange-FTP in introduction of manual Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: michael.albinus@gmx.de, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2022 15:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 56440 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 56440@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: Michael Albinus X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-Xcc: Michael Albinus Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.165720873828766 (code B ref -1); Thu, 07 Jul 2022 15:46:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2022 15:45:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57669 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o9ThB-0007Tf-S8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:45:38 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:38338) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o9Th9-0007RV-J5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:45:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35914) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o9Th9-0005Ve-AH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:45:35 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f181.google.com ([209.85.215.181]:41690) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o9Th7-0006oc-Rs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:45:35 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f181.google.com with SMTP id 23so19216773pgc.8 for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 08:45:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KiuMjLhNq7kjFQg7LQbwP9I+Q2NMFwNVhW+IdW1WEmo=; b=nxGEuWBx4mbDiAA7n8obowpL+st9vSKR8cH+Bn+6XHbYnfwJZVkqyStaUgZZADOQJZ jx6KlHOShn5WZg+eGiIjf9hqAiAQrfIEby7NWqfLEQdY7QKmIJ+iZddWhCImSH1oHeQC 6FLV/VyMEY4CbMQ6DCP3XAIPhkxr5E6GwA+6Fs/xZK0ibweUMD6LTipvZg76YZLy5fp8 4TixeBY+9d3PJl+3FLJpyBwK1wIns8v3/lMYx822vezRIw21J3v2PKTZrBCdBwEVUsoa 0OCE830vJDfJEQIt9NuhXEj559JY4KmZO2hfo26seYS7hzL0FnhlYeY8VFLUd24dq+4K VYlg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora/i14u6jVdQVGDvWhhX0tKexYH1/iRvsqkVZyMzmozxMGPOlluo C7ZSfenR+KaOyJKciMJN8PAxdIH37m5UxuI0tzcuq06h X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1uz5KCPHRnQJ6QLb8E+Xz6A8DuHRzAW1G8PHyOpzi5+U7MLkoGvMbv2BtU1Ee+Nv+jgq5kNginrg8s6fUAtUHA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:b48:b0:525:348b:438b with SMTP id p8-20020a056a000b4800b00525348b438bmr53929968pfo.2.1657208732271; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 08:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 7 Jul 2022 15:45:31 +0000 From: Stefan Kangas MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2022 15:45:31 +0000 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.215.181; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-f181.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) Severity: wishlist How about rewriting the introductory paragraphs in `(tramp) Top' to not describe TRAMP in contrast to Ange-FTP? The latter package seems to be more and more obscure these days, especially since the FTP protocol is used less and less. For example, this paragraph: The difference is that Ange FTP uses FTP to transfer files between the local and the remote host, whereas TRAMP uses a combination of =E2= =80=98rsh=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98rcp=E2=80=99 or other work-alike programs, such as =E2=80= =98ssh=E2=80=99/=E2=80=98scp=E2=80=99. Could be turned into an FAQ. Instead, we could use that limited space to briefly repeat parts of the information in `(tramp) Overview'. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:28:36 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#56440: Don't contrast TRAMP to Ange-FTP in introduction of manual Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2022 15:53:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 56440 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 56440@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 56440-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B56440.16572091583000 (code B ref 56440); Thu, 07 Jul 2022 15:53:02 +0000 Received: (at 56440) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2022 15:52:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57675 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o9Tny-0000mK-Kc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:52:38 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:57915) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o9Tnt-0000m4-U2 for 56440@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:52:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1657209147; bh=UwWrHXgGBlTiCEPpNVXNbes2IQO44owjlsTG8r0R8kA=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=C44cFyOerLEFxxDS6R+gTXnG+6+WnMksmwNiGtx2mhqYRHDKEKuLPheIrwgDypnrR sYTHUptg+OxqcPegfAfBW7NfZZsavdJzedTwEvB1qOJ9piERgPwuJzht2nisioPuff 56ay90k40fZgk1qj7WuPxrXrATwLCXiPhzMdYHHo= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.149.135]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MVeMG-1nzgi71ha8-00RVoK; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 17:52:27 +0200 From: Michael Albinus In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Thu, 7 Jul 2022 15:45:31 +0000") References: Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2022 17:52:26 +0200 Message-ID: <8735fcsyx1.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:eCULfYEHdXyGAUr2m9OSU3VkAmKV+MnoGha9EWOrBRiDeamcOLh jgJOOnwMEFOVcbMwJhDvhL5uNGBB2Xpmd+y8cXPKG3Qoly7DJzRNAirOHuXdooQbEzGUGc0 hDBKoDZAN3StaXh6EHviNINvW2kxULCb6gtD1w7MnF4DWlzaci9CTZZnBwLcFsYPnE39QYZ 42lk+Q3Hct7V+Eu9RX5Yw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:rKF5vyvzQHk=:3bQCQkMWuUWxHD6Lcsp3vg M8Pp/8ir43LUygui9fM24w59iqMqdU569KJl4HoWT2RXqP431JFFvrejS6PqhD2zVnGd/4+cG b8vzZzHX+9oKfLGNflyc2fPMGmBArYLzGrV2NfQmtjTS1kSj0SRLsK3+EwJkVGMa9qZUF+iFT K7a/robJHjrSGHrDvbcQQ9OH6GoTNVQoMmXnG1ActuVZdRaToOYiHTy9IZ6LpuVkO3/LBhqcB gXYgdqPggUfrtPwLaTZUEJVtZ1HaZL6VGm4+wZWRpeT9vc8+dFSYTwvTpyZ2SCWxYWJ0Szqxz nROhR8uDUEOsU8y6IcBfMINeItqHcc4CMbqqhCT067ft6XEaurTU5rpL3Se5T/sFVUDeeQhxr cakRNC5SQ+ye41iCWqniP1DrIZFikah2wcMBfmCGxl9MoDLBp9mRdAs+74ZRx9LRjHHbUFyMb zyIylrLyn4DAvezZ7IlOBArjf15i2QkRMJFA9c8TBHhUYvs7xePlvtztyAQTfRpeQdv0JFZmF 41YbxwRDE7qqknUKHTKYVxJFwCSlNSc3eoafyJvYHZvm0F1ToxlDPpfKCSrOYaFBnqZTXQkNg P6U0StTqVqP2hgk8r313KOF4+/No54dSLUvkDXNJtoz6p7g/neNsk4017wt1YFdYFtoKAIPHi wRQKcRKYbi7dBPjLabFjAKfnx8zOXXQrZBxV46sf3pxFG+VvlB7XZyexdGWVfMEv7akgqZXc8 yS+J3uTvJdvVBrr9JjoVmqZ9vW4jmv1g4/KCIcdtLVFA33G3Eb8GR4hFyP4nQQ680nPVMYrtS K8bbkg2/hDGp5rhkIq/eUZ/+iRKre6ZOlm7ztRB+DgN2T24FjXLGBmJgMrwnoL2VEhTfVB3+w DGY9DktJYDP9DsyyJxCYWON7Xq7A9oxUuAEH3CgVsB+Byf+/TnMYDliolCcE8+WLTlBS5r9x/ Fkv9OxPsFG19k0fmKuuYGy3NjHBdkaBhL4b/TWlssQPY1SRh0efs5CC9JmScKkzaPT5E3f8/W Z/7GDIJVVQ3wumg10/Fs3v/gHr8AnYYyMM9DxYEU3bthPlxBF0Jl/yVqLVmFxcEsfZ6kXEZHE qGc/msn37MODPO+DXz2AgCT77+9rKgfj2fqpxiDe+YxRFJN4XSOk/FtMw== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: Hi Stefan, > How about rewriting the introductory paragraphs in `(tramp) Top' to not > describe TRAMP in contrast to Ange-FTP? The latter package seems to be > more and more obscure these days, especially since the FTP protocol is > used less and less. For example, this paragraph: > > The difference is that Ange FTP uses FTP to transfer files between > the local and the remote host, whereas TRAMP uses a combination of = =E2=80=98rsh=E2=80=99 > and =E2=80=98rcp=E2=80=99 or other work-alike programs, such as =E2= =80=98ssh=E2=80=99/=E2=80=98scp=E2=80=99. > > Could be turned into an FAQ. > > Instead, we could use that limited space to briefly repeat parts of the > information in `(tramp) Overview'. Well, yes. I push it onto my TODO stack, until there is an empty time slot. (Feel free to beat me :-) Best regards, Michael. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:28:36 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Stefan Kangas Subject: bug#56440: closed (Re: bug#56440: Don't contrast TRAMP to Ange-FTP in introduction of manual) Message-ID: References: X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 56440 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 56440@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2022 16:00:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1657382403-14478-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1657382403-14478-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #56440: Don't contrast TRAMP to Ange-FTP in introduction of manual which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 56440@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 56440: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D56440 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1657382403-14478-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 56440-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2022 15:59:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35788 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oACrp-0003kA-Qf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2022 11:59:37 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f171.google.com ([209.85.210.171]:43951) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oACro-0003ju-NZ for 56440-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2022 11:59:37 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f171.google.com with SMTP id b9so1425155pfp.10 for <56440-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 09 Jul 2022 08:59:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Gmj8zsJaPwOgrxahUfD0+IXeHI0H2aYIn8DFWhiO6fs=; b=5KsnyxUtcdLWz0bX7eSvV55fMqG+itJ8wphq2MpEOz+zYaOR/cVPirlXp/ZMke6cS2 v/owA8Rm8cf0wkMbctKyD9TsAnmqW6Cr3gA+yjJu3P4tNiWz6TfxshoTa2YxhcsHpKM5 lKLiVQL+DVvXk3oD4YmLMzGMZBfeFLGfJmwnfI2Iw0+7RDFWSdTH8vaCdh5oDd5eLqbD f8lA3+oYd6b8AzW4rM3mVokbGCYDuuJX0/6+h84qOsDa9Rc9G51A38CRhaUkZKnYUVkM sjQGkR8KkL1ZJ4mf8W0Ok951grgsLnKlWUaMigXDhBD28jV0WJhdGePsO90Fn8pF3TNE T/ng== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora99KrxfVxBO1mX6c2FFIf7fV9FEpk1MN3UQLe8Tr/Xucey71jf3 WCTo70Rqi/nX7e1/hUNUtzzgdD+TehgFthYFXEE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1sAqxpy48P6KHcaTlOkrQ572V3T8Ds/eStqm2kKV6R24BuT6WGT7PzyOBXAjCBHgRzHVolYCGuvP/kO27/Cp1A= X-Received: by 2002:a63:ed48:0:b0:40d:9866:6834 with SMTP id m8-20020a63ed48000000b0040d98666834mr8147650pgk.324.1657382370874; Sat, 09 Jul 2022 08:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 08:59:30 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <8735fcsyx1.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Thu, 07 Jul 2022 17:52:26 +0200") References: <8735fcsyx1.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 08:59:30 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#56440: Don't contrast TRAMP to Ange-FTP in introduction of manual To: Michael Albinus Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56440-done Cc: 56440-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Michael Albinus writes: > Well, yes. I push it onto my TODO stack, until there is an empty time slot. > > (Feel free to beat me :-) Thanks, now done (commit aa1e837ab4). ------------=_1657382403-14478-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2022 15:45:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57669 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o9ThB-0007Tf-S8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:45:38 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:38338) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o9Th9-0007RV-J5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:45:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35914) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o9Th9-0005Ve-AH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:45:35 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f181.google.com ([209.85.215.181]:41690) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o9Th7-0006oc-Rs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:45:35 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f181.google.com with SMTP id 23so19216773pgc.8 for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 08:45:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KiuMjLhNq7kjFQg7LQbwP9I+Q2NMFwNVhW+IdW1WEmo=; b=nxGEuWBx4mbDiAA7n8obowpL+st9vSKR8cH+Bn+6XHbYnfwJZVkqyStaUgZZADOQJZ jx6KlHOShn5WZg+eGiIjf9hqAiAQrfIEby7NWqfLEQdY7QKmIJ+iZddWhCImSH1oHeQC 6FLV/VyMEY4CbMQ6DCP3XAIPhkxr5E6GwA+6Fs/xZK0ibweUMD6LTipvZg76YZLy5fp8 4TixeBY+9d3PJl+3FLJpyBwK1wIns8v3/lMYx822vezRIw21J3v2PKTZrBCdBwEVUsoa 0OCE830vJDfJEQIt9NuhXEj559JY4KmZO2hfo26seYS7hzL0FnhlYeY8VFLUd24dq+4K VYlg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora/i14u6jVdQVGDvWhhX0tKexYH1/iRvsqkVZyMzmozxMGPOlluo C7ZSfenR+KaOyJKciMJN8PAxdIH37m5UxuI0tzcuq06h X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1uz5KCPHRnQJ6QLb8E+Xz6A8DuHRzAW1G8PHyOpzi5+U7MLkoGvMbv2BtU1Ee+Nv+jgq5kNginrg8s6fUAtUHA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:b48:b0:525:348b:438b with SMTP id p8-20020a056a000b4800b00525348b438bmr53929968pfo.2.1657208732271; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 08:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 7 Jul 2022 15:45:31 +0000 From: Stefan Kangas X-Debbugs-CC: Michael Albinus MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2022 15:45:31 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Don't contrast TRAMP to Ange-FTP in introduction of manual To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.215.181; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-f181.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) Severity: wishlist How about rewriting the introductory paragraphs in `(tramp) Top' to not describe TRAMP in contrast to Ange-FTP? The latter package seems to be more and more obscure these days, especially since the FTP protocol is used less and less. For example, this paragraph: The difference is that Ange FTP uses FTP to transfer files between the local and the remote host, whereas TRAMP uses a combination of =E2= =80=98rsh=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98rcp=E2=80=99 or other work-alike programs, such as =E2=80= =98ssh=E2=80=99/=E2=80=98scp=E2=80=99. Could be turned into an FAQ. Instead, we could use that limited space to briefly repeat parts of the information in `(tramp) Overview'. ------------=_1657382403-14478-1-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:28:36 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#56440: Don't contrast TRAMP to Ange-FTP in introduction of manual Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 12:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 56440 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 56440@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 56440-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B56440.165745573716267 (code B ref 56440); Sun, 10 Jul 2022 12:23:02 +0000 Received: (at 56440) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2022 12:22:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36391 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oAVx3-0004EJ-HY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 08:22:17 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:56943) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oAVx1-0004Dy-M8 for 56440@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 08:22:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1657455729; bh=SOknxjJH8uS4K/wVv66xoIJXhDoZhi1bMxD73+14Z4I=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=eicV5NQ8MrqqouOYshbkPYAWRrpELEf2aQ8MIeCmpzqvgml9L+EHhuBOO/Io4kE40 5NGB2RzoaUYuE2tkJFSD/dIFRZpJVIM96SsHi+IHUzKYRIaP6v3iydersR69p5b0AF tUTthgUPyHBuena4BLSzdg18HZhbavFcSmWsbnUo= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.149.135]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mkpav-1nie6w22e7-00mOL0; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 14:22:09 +0200 From: Michael Albinus In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sat, 9 Jul 2022 08:59:30 -0700") References: <8735fcsyx1.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 14:22:08 +0200 Message-ID: <87tu7pb1jj.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:O19GlTmsAu0byxvf4yZDhc5lDyO3+UUhBzbvzVWNxoRHdI2CTrK Wgryl+74oZc38vW9h/s5LVqrEGzO49vyzsYkyAsRVjS6jX4cilqN/pa9hH3tpokRpyi+99C k6mLg1ReUAuNQ+Bu46JMDCKBE6mReGP8cLrlOXcWJdR//9q7Nn8EwSFEmCSVpgDAsJjtbaT j+1dFEFg8myn/cK7jt/yQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:I6NWO4nTsmY=:SirhQN+kdLIhUCo89gwhzy jyKFyO81Z/sShrVJlqSoFrnjr2B+lO5euXx6bkHN5lIDlrhzwo/RQ6JM4Vmw0rBPlZifuizET uQ3JMzr7d1Gc52ts5Cn5D0fiDgqqvDFJ+HHsr1Rz1kIKspMe0WIg0WHPnqQKcrCnBdCtaAQO5 ognuPEqAqdjXwiM52WMtNOoQFsDrQ2DcTiWg1CfvuLucjUfECn4WKAloeR5DY7aZwK5wTJXKn 3qfPWRVZWV1afnxcmVpPqM8e/HGbXvdPJY9p/BALpSJhY046Q18YfNQDHXKTGM3G3hItWW8lc GqxElNkpjmRQu4HqByreaOSu1cU6xPa3tTm8HkdfDyk6iISLxgTkBPTutnQMF16n3VLgI2+Nv 0xNpv6GsWZs6OoHNc6n7JnzrobPc3Lf/i+IsJl5QDUHqZAV/7yBKSfBSpOaiRO88yBwP0Vvaw +AEt+cj4R3f2itIi/95VcJRrhrUbJdXBNfVVLWekgW30Dow0SkUpytdipg3xGoLmejeGGdSdx +Y/HwUkaMbCDWX5E1YX6Y0U3vqNLoCjQJFGJPskJs/otmku3mXJTDJffDNb0cj1XfnrVAcHjz webFQqLNET5DUMA64QimVZzg96TugiC3v+ZNtjvce1K6A6mc3huvR9Fc0w4OqeFP8MNrDkTdU JkCQNTdDZRCnaPcV0QicSCsrEixElOXKeG9LPHlXCLdjGCmxTld0ADIG6wb1c5KCTx74LNfQ6 CCicspVPKCQcqIlvMahUkGjtDmzLYMrZJePV0n5GWWve6EtykFgw+68pD/uJxbsjHaWdOr/4v 2HLWKF++xJ2bDMnkXIOZlc7333qo4drFr0Z1nuqi08J9yM44WLHXFb7xRnfyuEzNQy9qikNq8 oDbf1GMYmq/5k9KvwszaKPJSrxHAacnmcQlhSpvBX4YedWn1WmM4uSnvzFSdXCiCnY2qwIudD pAmJaKEnkb8vTjQibjjOY8x3ZQOsgOz7IH5tFtynH5q4XO60LayNbl53HRHmEUxsgPcRfZj+V pBFTlRdBPZOcqZfRc36S/An6B6rbh/ogmSmvBReUTMLhzWV1ivSd4XoGgk0p4QNmMrY4NaCG3 udn976xldr3v5Y0srcq4o0ZkSK0JJvcn+IP2mAp2NK1tZVsbdPekM5hWg== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: >> Well, yes. I push it onto my TODO stack, until there is an empty time slot. >> >> (Feel free to beat me :-) > > Thanks, now done (commit aa1e837ab4). Thanks! Best regards, Michael.