From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 07 11:45:38 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2022 15:45:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57669 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o9ThB-0007Tf-S8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:45:38 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:38338) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o9Th9-0007RV-J5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:45:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35914) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o9Th9-0005Ve-AH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:45:35 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f181.google.com ([209.85.215.181]:41690) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o9Th7-0006oc-Rs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:45:35 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f181.google.com with SMTP id 23so19216773pgc.8 for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 08:45:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KiuMjLhNq7kjFQg7LQbwP9I+Q2NMFwNVhW+IdW1WEmo=; b=nxGEuWBx4mbDiAA7n8obowpL+st9vSKR8cH+Bn+6XHbYnfwJZVkqyStaUgZZADOQJZ jx6KlHOShn5WZg+eGiIjf9hqAiAQrfIEby7NWqfLEQdY7QKmIJ+iZddWhCImSH1oHeQC 6FLV/VyMEY4CbMQ6DCP3XAIPhkxr5E6GwA+6Fs/xZK0ibweUMD6LTipvZg76YZLy5fp8 4TixeBY+9d3PJl+3FLJpyBwK1wIns8v3/lMYx822vezRIw21J3v2PKTZrBCdBwEVUsoa 0OCE830vJDfJEQIt9NuhXEj559JY4KmZO2hfo26seYS7hzL0FnhlYeY8VFLUd24dq+4K VYlg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora/i14u6jVdQVGDvWhhX0tKexYH1/iRvsqkVZyMzmozxMGPOlluo C7ZSfenR+KaOyJKciMJN8PAxdIH37m5UxuI0tzcuq06h X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1uz5KCPHRnQJ6QLb8E+Xz6A8DuHRzAW1G8PHyOpzi5+U7MLkoGvMbv2BtU1Ee+Nv+jgq5kNginrg8s6fUAtUHA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:b48:b0:525:348b:438b with SMTP id p8-20020a056a000b4800b00525348b438bmr53929968pfo.2.1657208732271; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 08:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 7 Jul 2022 15:45:31 +0000 From: Stefan Kangas X-Debbugs-CC: Michael Albinus MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2022 15:45:31 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Don't contrast TRAMP to Ange-FTP in introduction of manual To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.215.181; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-f181.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) Severity: wishlist How about rewriting the introductory paragraphs in `(tramp) Top' to not describe TRAMP in contrast to Ange-FTP? The latter package seems to be more and more obscure these days, especially since the FTP protocol is used less and less. For example, this paragraph: The difference is that Ange FTP uses FTP to transfer files between the local and the remote host, whereas TRAMP uses a combination of =E2= =80=98rsh=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98rcp=E2=80=99 or other work-alike programs, such as =E2=80= =98ssh=E2=80=99/=E2=80=98scp=E2=80=99. Could be turned into an FAQ. Instead, we could use that limited space to briefly repeat parts of the information in `(tramp) Overview'. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 07 11:52:38 2022 Received: (at 56440) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2022 15:52:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57675 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o9Tny-0000mK-Kc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:52:38 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:57915) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o9Tnt-0000m4-U2 for 56440@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:52:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1657209147; bh=UwWrHXgGBlTiCEPpNVXNbes2IQO44owjlsTG8r0R8kA=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=C44cFyOerLEFxxDS6R+gTXnG+6+WnMksmwNiGtx2mhqYRHDKEKuLPheIrwgDypnrR sYTHUptg+OxqcPegfAfBW7NfZZsavdJzedTwEvB1qOJ9piERgPwuJzht2nisioPuff 56ay90k40fZgk1qj7WuPxrXrATwLCXiPhzMdYHHo= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.149.135]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MVeMG-1nzgi71ha8-00RVoK; Thu, 07 Jul 2022 17:52:27 +0200 From: Michael Albinus To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#56440: Don't contrast TRAMP to Ange-FTP in introduction of manual In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Thu, 7 Jul 2022 15:45:31 +0000") References: Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2022 17:52:26 +0200 Message-ID: <8735fcsyx1.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:eCULfYEHdXyGAUr2m9OSU3VkAmKV+MnoGha9EWOrBRiDeamcOLh jgJOOnwMEFOVcbMwJhDvhL5uNGBB2Xpmd+y8cXPKG3Qoly7DJzRNAirOHuXdooQbEzGUGc0 hDBKoDZAN3StaXh6EHviNINvW2kxULCb6gtD1w7MnF4DWlzaci9CTZZnBwLcFsYPnE39QYZ 42lk+Q3Hct7V+Eu9RX5Yw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:rKF5vyvzQHk=:3bQCQkMWuUWxHD6Lcsp3vg M8Pp/8ir43LUygui9fM24w59iqMqdU569KJl4HoWT2RXqP431JFFvrejS6PqhD2zVnGd/4+cG b8vzZzHX+9oKfLGNflyc2fPMGmBArYLzGrV2NfQmtjTS1kSj0SRLsK3+EwJkVGMa9qZUF+iFT K7a/robJHjrSGHrDvbcQQ9OH6GoTNVQoMmXnG1ActuVZdRaToOYiHTy9IZ6LpuVkO3/LBhqcB gXYgdqPggUfrtPwLaTZUEJVtZ1HaZL6VGm4+wZWRpeT9vc8+dFSYTwvTpyZ2SCWxYWJ0Szqxz nROhR8uDUEOsU8y6IcBfMINeItqHcc4CMbqqhCT067ft6XEaurTU5rpL3Se5T/sFVUDeeQhxr cakRNC5SQ+ye41iCWqniP1DrIZFikah2wcMBfmCGxl9MoDLBp9mRdAs+74ZRx9LRjHHbUFyMb zyIylrLyn4DAvezZ7IlOBArjf15i2QkRMJFA9c8TBHhUYvs7xePlvtztyAQTfRpeQdv0JFZmF 41YbxwRDE7qqknUKHTKYVxJFwCSlNSc3eoafyJvYHZvm0F1ToxlDPpfKCSrOYaFBnqZTXQkNg P6U0StTqVqP2hgk8r313KOF4+/No54dSLUvkDXNJtoz6p7g/neNsk4017wt1YFdYFtoKAIPHi wRQKcRKYbi7dBPjLabFjAKfnx8zOXXQrZBxV46sf3pxFG+VvlB7XZyexdGWVfMEv7akgqZXc8 yS+J3uTvJdvVBrr9JjoVmqZ9vW4jmv1g4/KCIcdtLVFA33G3Eb8GR4hFyP4nQQ680nPVMYrtS K8bbkg2/hDGp5rhkIq/eUZ/+iRKre6ZOlm7ztRB+DgN2T24FjXLGBmJgMrwnoL2VEhTfVB3+w DGY9DktJYDP9DsyyJxCYWON7Xq7A9oxUuAEH3CgVsB+Byf+/TnMYDliolCcE8+WLTlBS5r9x/ Fkv9OxPsFG19k0fmKuuYGy3NjHBdkaBhL4b/TWlssQPY1SRh0efs5CC9JmScKkzaPT5E3f8/W Z/7GDIJVVQ3wumg10/Fs3v/gHr8AnYYyMM9DxYEU3bthPlxBF0Jl/yVqLVmFxcEsfZ6kXEZHE qGc/msn37MODPO+DXz2AgCT77+9rKgfj2fqpxiDe+YxRFJN4XSOk/FtMw== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56440 Cc: 56440@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: Hi Stefan, > How about rewriting the introductory paragraphs in `(tramp) Top' to not > describe TRAMP in contrast to Ange-FTP? The latter package seems to be > more and more obscure these days, especially since the FTP protocol is > used less and less. For example, this paragraph: > > The difference is that Ange FTP uses FTP to transfer files between > the local and the remote host, whereas TRAMP uses a combination of = =E2=80=98rsh=E2=80=99 > and =E2=80=98rcp=E2=80=99 or other work-alike programs, such as =E2= =80=98ssh=E2=80=99/=E2=80=98scp=E2=80=99. > > Could be turned into an FAQ. > > Instead, we could use that limited space to briefly repeat parts of the > information in `(tramp) Overview'. Well, yes. I push it onto my TODO stack, until there is an empty time slot. (Feel free to beat me :-) Best regards, Michael. 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I push it onto my TODO stack, until there is an empty time slot. > > (Feel free to beat me :-) Thanks, now done (commit aa1e837ab4). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 10 08:22:17 2022 Received: (at 56440) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2022 12:22:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36391 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oAVx3-0004EJ-HY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 08:22:17 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:56943) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oAVx1-0004Dy-M8 for 56440@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 08:22:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1657455729; bh=SOknxjJH8uS4K/wVv66xoIJXhDoZhi1bMxD73+14Z4I=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=eicV5NQ8MrqqouOYshbkPYAWRrpELEf2aQ8MIeCmpzqvgml9L+EHhuBOO/Io4kE40 5NGB2RzoaUYuE2tkJFSD/dIFRZpJVIM96SsHi+IHUzKYRIaP6v3iydersR69p5b0AF tUTthgUPyHBuena4BLSzdg18HZhbavFcSmWsbnUo= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.149.135]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mkpav-1nie6w22e7-00mOL0; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 14:22:09 +0200 From: Michael Albinus To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#56440: Don't contrast TRAMP to Ange-FTP in introduction of manual In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sat, 9 Jul 2022 08:59:30 -0700") References: <8735fcsyx1.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 14:22:08 +0200 Message-ID: <87tu7pb1jj.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:O19GlTmsAu0byxvf4yZDhc5lDyO3+UUhBzbvzVWNxoRHdI2CTrK Wgryl+74oZc38vW9h/s5LVqrEGzO49vyzsYkyAsRVjS6jX4cilqN/pa9hH3tpokRpyi+99C k6mLg1ReUAuNQ+Bu46JMDCKBE6mReGP8cLrlOXcWJdR//9q7Nn8EwSFEmCSVpgDAsJjtbaT j+1dFEFg8myn/cK7jt/yQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:I6NWO4nTsmY=:SirhQN+kdLIhUCo89gwhzy jyKFyO81Z/sShrVJlqSoFrnjr2B+lO5euXx6bkHN5lIDlrhzwo/RQ6JM4Vmw0rBPlZifuizET uQ3JMzr7d1Gc52ts5Cn5D0fiDgqqvDFJ+HHsr1Rz1kIKspMe0WIg0WHPnqQKcrCnBdCtaAQO5 ognuPEqAqdjXwiM52WMtNOoQFsDrQ2DcTiWg1CfvuLucjUfECn4WKAloeR5DY7aZwK5wTJXKn 3qfPWRVZWV1afnxcmVpPqM8e/HGbXvdPJY9p/BALpSJhY046Q18YfNQDHXKTGM3G3hItWW8lc GqxElNkpjmRQu4HqByreaOSu1cU6xPa3tTm8HkdfDyk6iISLxgTkBPTutnQMF16n3VLgI2+Nv 0xNpv6GsWZs6OoHNc6n7JnzrobPc3Lf/i+IsJl5QDUHqZAV/7yBKSfBSpOaiRO88yBwP0Vvaw +AEt+cj4R3f2itIi/95VcJRrhrUbJdXBNfVVLWekgW30Dow0SkUpytdipg3xGoLmejeGGdSdx +Y/HwUkaMbCDWX5E1YX6Y0U3vqNLoCjQJFGJPskJs/otmku3mXJTDJffDNb0cj1XfnrVAcHjz webFQqLNET5DUMA64QimVZzg96TugiC3v+ZNtjvce1K6A6mc3huvR9Fc0w4OqeFP8MNrDkTdU JkCQNTdDZRCnaPcV0QicSCsrEixElOXKeG9LPHlXCLdjGCmxTld0ADIG6wb1c5KCTx74LNfQ6 CCicspVPKCQcqIlvMahUkGjtDmzLYMrZJePV0n5GWWve6EtykFgw+68pD/uJxbsjHaWdOr/4v 2HLWKF++xJ2bDMnkXIOZlc7333qo4drFr0Z1nuqi08J9yM44WLHXFb7xRnfyuEzNQy9qikNq8 oDbf1GMYmq/5k9KvwszaKPJSrxHAacnmcQlhSpvBX4YedWn1WmM4uSnvzFSdXCiCnY2qwIudD pAmJaKEnkb8vTjQibjjOY8x3ZQOsgOz7IH5tFtynH5q4XO60LayNbl53HRHmEUxsgPcRfZj+V pBFTlRdBPZOcqZfRc36S/An6B6rbh/ogmSmvBReUTMLhzWV1ivSd4XoGgk0p4QNmMrY4NaCG3 udn976xldr3v5Y0srcq4o0ZkSK0JJvcn+IP2mAp2NK1tZVsbdPekM5hWg== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56440 Cc: 56440@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: >> Well, yes. I push it onto my TODO stack, until there is an empty time slot. >> >> (Feel free to beat me :-) > > Thanks, now done (commit aa1e837ab4). Thanks! Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:03:06 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2022 11:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator