From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:13:00 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#564: 23.0.60; Elisp manual node Character Codes Reply-To: "Drew Adams" , 564@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:25:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 564 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12161423583560 (code B ref -1); Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:25:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Jul 2008 17:19:18 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m6FHJFMO003554 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:19:16 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:57954 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KIoAi-0004Kz-RQ for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:18:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIoBC-0003mq-O5 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:19:14 -0400 Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]:64436) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIoBC-0003dm-9J for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:19:10 -0400 Received: from agmgw1.us.oracle.com (agmgw1.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.212]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m6FHIA7l032145 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:18:10 -0600 Received: from acsmt350.oracle.com (acsmt350.oracle.com [141.146.40.150]) by agmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m6FCv2iM011157 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:18:09 -0600 Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3708578391216142174; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:16:14 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.75.28) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:16:14 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:16:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c8e69e$7f1a4b30$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acjmnn1caghVK1tVQva3xAXtfS6dFg== X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 This node uses `char-valid-p' and refers to generic characters, but the byte-compiler now says that `char-valid-p' is obsolete and generic characters no longer exist. Also, the NEWS description of the change eliminating generic characters is not clear to me, probably because I'm not clear on what generic characters are (were). ;-) I wonder if Emacs Lisp users of more than one Emacs release couldn't use a little more explanation of what generic chars were, why they are no longer used, and what takes their place today (what is now used for the purpose they used to serve). In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2008-06-29 on LENNART-69DE564 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: ENU value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: cp1252 default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:13:00 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (Emacs bug Tracking System) To: "Drew Adams" Subject: bug#564 closed by Chong Yidong (23.0.60; Elisp manual node Character Codes) Message-ID: References: <873aioctec.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <000d01c8e69e$7f1a4b30$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> X-Emacs-PR-Message: they-closed 564 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 564@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1224704703-19731-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1224704703-19731-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is an automatic notification regarding your bug report which was filed against the emacs package: #564: 23.0.60; Elisp manual node Character Codes It has been closed by Chong Yidong . 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If this explanation is unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate message then please contact Chong Yidong by replying to this email. --=20 564: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D564 Emacs Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1224704703-19731-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From cyd@stupidchicken.com Wed Oct 22 12:38:23 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 564-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Oct 2008 19:38:23 +0000 Received: from cyd.mit.edu (CYD.MIT.EDU [18.115.2.24]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9MJcHjS018509 for <564-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:38:18 -0700 Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D0F0657E04B; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:38:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 564-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: 23.0.60; Elisp manual node Character Codes Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:38:19 -0400 Message-ID: <873aioctec.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > This node uses `char-valid-p' and refers to generic characters, but > the byte-compiler now says that `char-valid-p' is obsolete and generic > characters no longer exist. Fixed, thanks. ------------=_1224704703-19731-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From drew.adams@oracle.com Tue Jul 15 10:19:18 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Jul 2008 17:19:18 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m6FHJFMO003554 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:19:16 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:57954 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KIoAi-0004Kz-RQ for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:18:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIoBC-0003mq-O5 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:19:14 -0400 Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]:64436) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIoBC-0003dm-9J for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:19:10 -0400 Received: from agmgw1.us.oracle.com (agmgw1.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.212]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m6FHIA7l032145 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:18:10 -0600 Received: from acsmt350.oracle.com (acsmt350.oracle.com [141.146.40.150]) by agmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m6FCv2iM011157 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:18:09 -0600 Received: from inet-141-146-46-1.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3708578391216142174; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:16:14 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.75.28) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:16:14 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.0.60; Elisp manual node Character Codes Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:16:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c8e69e$7f1a4b30$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acjmnn1caghVK1tVQva3xAXtfS6dFg== X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 This node uses `char-valid-p' and refers to generic characters, but the byte-compiler now says that `char-valid-p' is obsolete and generic characters no longer exist. Also, the NEWS description of the change eliminating generic characters is not clear to me, probably because I'm not clear on what generic characters are (were). ;-) I wonder if Emacs Lisp users of more than one Emacs release couldn't use a little more explanation of what generic chars were, why they are no longer used, and what takes their place today (what is now used for the purpose they used to serve). In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2008-06-29 on LENNART-69DE564 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: ENU value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: cp1252 default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t ------------=_1224704703-19731-1--