From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 23 06:07:58 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2010 11:07:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NjscP-0007md-TI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:07:58 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NjscM-0007mW-SU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:07:57 -0500 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:49622 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NjscK-00038p-9f for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:07:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:38597) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NjscJ-0004xa-UH for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:07:52 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NjscG-0002go-1N for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:07:50 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, T_DNSBL_INDIRECT, T_DNSBL_INDIRECT_UNSAFE, T_DNSBL_INDIRECT_UNSAFE_2 autolearn=ham version=3.3.0 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.10]:51887) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NjscF-0002gQ-M4 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:07:47 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.27] (p54BE8F36.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.190.143.54]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lp8j6-1NG1RC1Zno-00elmc; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:07:43 +0100 Message-ID: <4B83B77B.3020402@online.de> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:09:47 +0100 From: Andreas Roehler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20081227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Subject: 23.1.90; outline-regexp ignores customization Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/wPJ1DuKKHpbagT1rXvhdWjlpDXaaBAqTKToK 0MF6/ELtHQRhltoaIG2Sx1cYmA7mMqSZcBFKHUuOVOIH3RB937 /Gt/SG4p3Dd+mpKqC/vBZ+8Yjr4m7XchXIuvnfQU3g= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Hi, edebug displayed: outline-regexp as delivered is used after customization still. Also if custom-file was loaded from my daily Emacs. Checked with emacs -Q Setting was: (\|[A-Z] Thanks all Andreas -- https://code.launchpad.net/~a-roehler/python-mode https://code.launchpad.net/s-x-emacs-werkstatt/ ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; In GNU Emacs 23.1.92.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.0) of 2010-02-19 Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.70200000 Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=local locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Emacs-Lisp Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: m o M-x h i d e - b o M-x m i n o r - M-x M-x r e v e r t - b y e s M-x C-c C-t M-x M-< M-x s h o w - a l M-x c o t s t u u s t o m - v a r o u t l i - r e g A - Z M-+ C-x b M-x M-x y e s M-x M-x C-k s h o w - a l l C-x b C \ | C-d ( C-x b M-x M-< M-x r e p a o r t o r t - e m Recent messages: Making completion list... Outline minor mode enabled Making completion list... Outline minor mode enabled Mark set Creating customization items... Creating customization items ...done Resetting customization items...done Creating customization setup...done Mark set Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr message sendmail regexp-opt ecomplete rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailcap mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 qp ietf-drums mailabbrev nnheader gnus-util netrc time-date mm-util mail-prsvr gmm-utils mailheader canlock sha1 hex-util hashcash mail-utils emacsbug help-fns cus-edit cus-start cus-load wid-edit noutline outline easy-mmode help-mode easymenu view tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd font-setting tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button minibuffer faces cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind system-font-setting font-render-setting gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 23 06:49:07 2010 Received: (at 5627) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2010 11:49:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NjtGF-0008JL-8T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:49:07 -0500 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NjtGC-0008Iu-OQ for 5627@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:49:05 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.27] (p54BE8F36.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.190.143.54]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M3fOP-1NRoLL1RtB-00rd86; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:48:58 +0100 Message-ID: <4B83C127.705@online.de> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:51:03 +0100 From: Andreas Roehler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20081227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 5627@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: bug#5627: 23.1.90; outline-regexp ignores customization Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18WDpN6aF70noH00s4wVW0SJsBsQCLYKHg6tJW 7bPQhTTYPyBS/2hmMxeu1k9LdYxHRTjoCFncN7gC+KTUtRGzYr KrOLZfZ66RYw7O9Q+HwNJNbW6TchQHy0ATsh+Q4MP8= X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5627 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) Hi, C-h v outline-regexp: outline-regexp is a variable defined in `outline.el'. Its value is ";;;\\(;* [^ \n]\\|###autoload\\)\\|(" Local in buffer ar-thing-at-point-utils-intern.el; global value is "(\\|[A-Z]" It indicates, customization is taken only globally. BTW ar-thing-at-point-utils-intern.el has no local vars defined. Cheers Andreas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 23 13:37:52 2010 Received: (at 5627) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2010 18:37:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Njzdo-0005o9-Av for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:37:52 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Njzdm-0005o2-CB for 5627@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:37:50 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Njzdh-0006IO-Va; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:37:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <19332.8313.797161.428119@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:37:45 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Andreas Röhler Subject: Re: bug#5627: 23.1.90; outline-regexp ignores customization In-Reply-To: <4B83C127.705@online.de> References: <4B83B77B.3020402@online.de> <4B83C127.705@online.de> X-Attribution: GM X-Mailer: VM (www.wonderworks.com/vm), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs) X-Hue: black X-Ran: L-qYq6Z0#?Mg"5oMD8OQjB)fcMgmYm>fuwog1!\DmR&?C*ICned:X/$UCGI)sN$].Qqg(_ X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5627 Cc: 5627@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) Andreas R=F6hler wrote (on Tue, 23 Feb 2010 at 12:51 +0100): > C-h v outline-regexp: >=20 > outline-regexp is a variable defined in `outline.el'. > Its value is > ";;;\\(;* [^ =09\n]\\|###autoload\\)\\|(" > Local in buffer ar-thing-at-point-utils-intern.el; global value is "(= \\|[A-Z]" Yes, some modes such as emacs-lisp-mode make buffer-local settings of outline-regexp, since the value is likely to be very dependent on the type of file. As it says in the documentation of that variable: The recommended way to set this is with a Local Variables: list in the file it applies to. Or use a mode-hook. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 23 14:51:09 2010 Received: (at 5627) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2010 19:51:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nk0mj-0006hC-44 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:51:09 -0500 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nk0mf-0006gk-QO for 5627@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:51:06 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.27] (p54BEA9F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.190.169.242]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LtlMD-1NaYtt10zd-011dWF; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:51:00 +0100 Message-ID: <4B84321D.5000706@online.de> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:53:01 +0100 From: Andreas Roehler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20081227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#5627: 23.1.90; outline-regexp ignores customization References: <4B83B77B.3020402@online.de> <4B83C127.705@online.de> <19332.8313.797161.428119@fencepost.gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <19332.8313.797161.428119@fencepost.gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX185zKf1XiuRs6ayAEx1cYCMPGXg5L87mA7iNRG zdB5twOuI2yXU42fc03J7aUfIO53i9MlTKdeyVQ3QCAvcGqga2 XaseGdqdWFXwawHgsdlFoeIe6973NI0I4TqBqCJcyo= X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5627 Cc: 5627@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) Glenn Morris wrote: > Andreas Röhler wrote (on Tue, 23 Feb 2010 at 12:51 +0100): > >> C-h v outline-regexp: >> >> outline-regexp is a variable defined in `outline.el'. >> Its value is >> ";;;\\(;* [^ \n]\\|###autoload\\)\\|(" >> Local in buffer ar-thing-at-point-utils-intern.el; global value is "(\\|[A-Z]" > > Yes, some modes such as emacs-lisp-mode make buffer-local settings of > outline-regexp, since the value is likely to be very dependent on the > type of file. > > As it says in the documentation of that variable: > > The recommended way to set this is with a Local Variables: list > in the file it applies to. > > Or use a mode-hook. > Did see that recommendation. However, from my point of view modes should not overwrite expressingly set customizations. Local variables definitions set inside the file are nasty. Anyway, thanks for your care. Andreas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 23 15:56:35 2010 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2010 20:56:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nk1o3-0007Pw-Ou for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:56:35 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nk1o2-0007Pq-6j for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:56:34 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nk1ny-0004Z5-2k; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:56:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19332.16638.27086.6555@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:56:30 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: control X-Attribution: GM X-Mailer: VM (www.wonderworks.com/vm), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs) X-Hue: green X-Ran: h-wpq,1&S List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) tags 5617 moreinfo severity 5620 wishlist reassign 5624 emacs,etags severity 5625 minor unarchive 798 forcemerge 798 5626 severity 5627 minor tags 5627 notabug wontfix tags 5629 patch reassign 5629 emacs,w32 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 23 17:33:24 2010 Received: (at 5627) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2010 22:33:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nk3Jk-0000r5-Gx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:33:24 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nk3Ji-0000qy-8l for 5627@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:33:22 -0500 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (faina.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.26.177]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o1NMXHpd020023; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:33:17 -0500 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 2E70D3A9DB; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:33:17 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Andreas Roehler Subject: Re: bug#5627: 23.1.90; outline-regexp ignores customization Message-ID: References: <4B83B77B.3020402@online.de> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:33:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4B83B77B.3020402@online.de> (Andreas Roehler's message of "Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:09:47 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3476=0 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5627 Cc: 5627@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) > edebug displayed: outline-regexp as delivered is used > after customization still. Also if custom-file was > loaded from my daily Emacs. I think the right fix is to make it a defvar rather than a defcustom. Any objection? Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 24 03:42:49 2010 Received: (at 5627) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Feb 2010 08:42:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NkCpV-0008Dp-1h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 03:42:49 -0500 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.186]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NkBkw-0007PE-8c for 5627@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 02:34:03 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.27] (p54BE99E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.190.153.228]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LyQ8Q-1Nf2lZ33Oo-015gi6; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:33:56 +0100 Message-ID: <4B84D6E2.9040305@easy-emacs.de> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:36:02 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20081227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#5627: 23.1.90; outline-regexp ignores customization References: <4B83B77B.3020402@online.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19xpfKt53JlG3fDy+CgvHrw04/TOwTiTMBAKQ0 /HF2IiO4XcpnqB9op4gILomq+m46h3yHv6bafoj1plBRdtS5cT 8jmgF9mI0JP6u+YNyQChIOjGd920MQEhwRwUmnjFR4= X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5627 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 03:42:48 -0500 Cc: 5627@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Stefan Monnier wrote: >> edebug displayed: outline-regexp as delivered is used >> after customization still. Also if custom-file was >> loaded from my daily Emacs. > > I think the right fix is to make it a defvar rather than a defcustom. > Any objection? > > > Stefan > > > > > Hi Stefan, customization of this var is the way adapting it at changing needs. A defvar seems rather worst. BTW think it's a very good old bug, probably several people tried to fix this already. Meanwhile with hide-show is a advanced mode available, which does the same but much better - not being limited by reg-exp detecting the end. Think it's ok leaving this bug as it is for now, just not to forget it exist. Andreas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 24 13:31:22 2010 Received: (at 5627) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Feb 2010 18:31:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NkM0s-0001OM-G7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:31:22 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NkM0q-0001OH-Ny for 5627@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:31:08 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAHD/hEtFpZOk/2dsb2JhbACbD3S8WYRyBIMWh28 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,533,1262581200"; d="scan'208";a="56681379" Received: from 69-165-147-164.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.147.164]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 24 Feb 2010 13:31:04 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id D3B6D81B0; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:31:03 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6hler?= Subject: Re: bug#5627: 23.1.90; outline-regexp ignores customization Message-ID: References: <4B83B77B.3020402@online.de> <4B84D6E2.9040305@easy-emacs.de> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:31:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4B84D6E2.9040305@easy-emacs.de> ("Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F6hler=22's?= message of "Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:36:02 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5627 Cc: 5627@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) > customization of this var is the way adapting it at changing needs. > A defvar seems rather worst. No, as you have noticed, this variable is major-mode dependent, so there's no point customizing it with Custom since Custom only knows how to manipulate default (aka global) settings. If/when Custom is improved to handle mode-dependent settings, we can revisit this, but for now it makes no sense to me to provide it as a defcustom. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 24 15:18:36 2010 Received: (at 5627) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Feb 2010 20:18:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NkNgp-0002kr-Or for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:18:35 -0500 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.187]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NkNgZ-0002kg-SQ for 5627@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:18:34 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.27] (p54BEA4E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.190.164.228]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lv8ja-1Nc6D92UQk-010CJR; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:18:14 +0100 Message-ID: <4B858A04.5010408@easy-emacs.de> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:20:20 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20081227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#5627: 23.1.90; outline-regexp ignores customization References: <4B83B77B.3020402@online.de> <4B84D6E2.9040305@easy-emacs.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18vxqdwGEoyqDkp4ofXsJWx9dDzMuDeV6oGiaG J7G8eDe1zP4tkaU1klFuMTeB/Pv1zdSDKHBPmU7QjURyRO3lLn Tb5lEhDWufP07MewHcgoi48r9eWF6etdf4+vlwQY1A= X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5627 Cc: 5627@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Stefan Monnier wrote: >> customization of this var is the way adapting it at changing needs. >> A defvar seems rather worst. > > No, as you have noticed, this variable is major-mode dependent, so > there's no point customizing it with Custom since Custom only knows how > to manipulate default (aka global) settings. > Probably I ignore something: should't a globally set variable work in a mode also? > If/when Custom is improved to handle mode-dependent settings, we can > revisit this, but for now it makes no sense to me to provide it as > a defcustom. > > > Stefan > A clean solution in my eyes would be to remove the mode-setting - rather retain the global variable here. As it's name says, its mode-oriented anyway. Andreas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 24 16:38:07 2010 Received: (at 5627) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Feb 2010 21:38:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NkOvm-0003h3-8R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:38:06 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NkOvk-0003gi-QW for 5627@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:38:04 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEANAqhUtFpZOk/2dsb2JhbACbEHS8UIRyBIMWh28 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,534,1262581200"; d="scan'208";a="56699704" Received: from 69-165-147-164.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.147.164]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 24 Feb 2010 16:37:58 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6E2528580; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:37:58 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6hler?= Subject: Re: bug#5627: 23.1.90; outline-regexp ignores customization Message-ID: References: <4B83B77B.3020402@online.de> <4B84D6E2.9040305@easy-emacs.de> <4B858A04.5010408@easy-emacs.de> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:37:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4B858A04.5010408@easy-emacs.de> ("Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F6hler=22's?= message of "Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:20:20 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5627 Cc: 5627@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) > A clean solution in my eyes would be to remove the mode-setting - > rather retain the global variable here. As it's name says, its > mode-oriented anyway. You apparently want something else than outline-minor-mode. Have you tried allout-mode? 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