From unknown Fri Aug 15 15:36:25 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#56215 <56215@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#56215 <56215@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Request for decluttering capability on mode-line keywords Reply-To: bug#56215 <56215@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 22:36:25 +0000 retitle 56215 Request for decluttering capability on mode-line keywords reassign 56215 emacs submitter 56215 carlmarcos@tutanota.com severity 56215 normal tag 56215 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 25 09:09:01 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jun 2022 13:09:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44402 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o55X3-0001wJ-4k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 09:09:01 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:57928) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o55Wx-0001w3-SY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 09:08:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53986) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o55Wx-0002GQ-IM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 09:08:55 -0400 Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]:51606) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o55Wv-0007JB-ND for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 09:08:55 -0400 Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4ECFBF932 for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 13:08:52 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1656162532; s=s1; d=tutanota.com; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:Sender; bh=4VI1JECp3CTn7Xlbe7RCZPFpjb1mRgLqS9VaPNAakC0=; b=N0DmFBhzf/ZvV1YompMUFyafc8YJ0f+0dzF2mOg4CfFgr+iaVdwMUl/O7RrqHrY8 OBLoqqO/n9roev4uO6E7Uo1ZVw3aMEOwijs/x5K4nwwlp9I+CbT6h4H0E5cXzk7Oz8P hg269Hx01IU2jHjDhYJyWQM5rJEumCsmS4vKd18NQ6h5ZUKmqy1UPVKtUpV/OayYVbI A2jwwbsnIQ4QMc51N3+sY0casFNHbke62m680OLjtdLm8I8FkAL+xjWOYR/PFBYDd8D 9xoiYDv4lFV3HBszo8kXD1jlThH1hD0GxXVfrQaLZRwP+RHwG0plTrhHo9Gi3bHgZm+ 04Me/IIegg== Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 15:08:52 +0200 (CEST) From: carlmarcos@tutanota.com To: Bug Gnu Emacs Message-ID: Subject: Request for decluttering capability on mode-line keywords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_613414_1504851410.1656162532231" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.3.6.162; envelope-from=carlmarcos@tutanota.com; helo=w1.tutanota.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) ------=_Part_613414_1504851410.1656162532231 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The mode-line is a very important section of a window.=C2=A0 But can be eas= ily cluttered withnames of minor-modes, as well as by programming and hyper= text language major-mode names. For instance, loading an elisp file shows "Emacs-Lisp" in the made-line.=C2= =A0 When in *scratch* the string "Lisp Interaction" shows up.=C2=A0 Because= I use bold large font, it is easy for the mode-line to get cluttered. As is often the case, emacs users hardly change the mode associated with th= e corresponding programming or hypertext language major-mode.=C2=A0 Most of= ten, users work with minor-modes, meaning that people are aware that lisp p= rograms use emacs-lisp major-mode, and C users are aware they are using c m= ajor-mode (although I find "C/*l" quite unnecessary). Emacs package designers have the ability to display a mode-line name with t= he keyword-arg `:lighter'.=C2=A0 But the user has no way to remove the ligh= ter from the mode-line.=C2=A0 Would like to request the capability for user= s to remove :lighter keywords, if they wish.=C2=A0 This would be particular= ly useful for those like me who usually have a dense list showing up in the= ir mode-line. ------=_Part_613414_1504851410.1656162532231 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The mode-line is a very important section of a window.  But c= an be easily cluttered with
names of minor-modes, as= well as by programming and hypertext language major-mode names.
<= div dir=3D"auto">
For instance, loading an elisp= file shows "Emacs-Lisp" in the made-line.  When in *scratch* the stri= ng "Lisp Interaction" shows up.  Because I use bold large font, it is = easy for the mode-line to get cluttered.

As is often the case, emacs users hardly change the mo= de associated with the corresponding programming or hypertext language majo= r-mode.  Most often, users work with minor-modes, meaning that people = are aware that lisp programs use emacs-lisp major-mode, and C users are awa= re they are using c major-mode (although I find "C/*l" quite unnecessary).<= /div>

Emacs package designers = have the ability to display a mode-line name with the keyword-arg `:lighter= '.  But the user has no way to remove the lighter from the mode-line.&= nbsp; Would like to request the capability for users to remove :lighter key= words, if they wish.  This would be particularly useful for those like= me who usually have a dense list showing up in their mode-line.
= ------=_Part_613414_1504851410.1656162532231-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 25 20:05:51 2022 Received: (at 56215) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jun 2022 00:05:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46450 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o5Fmh-0002F7-6S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 20:05:51 -0400 Received: from smtp-1.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.34]:43695) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o5Fme-0002Ew-DE for 56215@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 20:05:49 -0400 Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=19162 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-1.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o5Fmb-00022f-1v; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 12:05:45 +1200 Received: from ip-116-251-140-135.kinect.net.nz ([116.251.140.135]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Sun, 26 Jun 2022 12:05:44 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 12:05:44 +1200 From: Phil Sainty To: carlmarcos@tutanota.com Subject: Re: bug#56215: Request for decluttering capability on mode-line keywords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0c7b006177f251663dfa0f0e0d1e7344@webmail.orcon.net.nz> X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz User-Agent: Orcon Webmail X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56215 Cc: 56215@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Carl, You might find the GNU ELPA package delight.el to be suitable. See https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/DelightedModes for details. There are other options as well, including these (and maybe more besides): https://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/72194/454 Lars, I think this is a duplicate of bug#30978 ? -Phil On 2022-06-26 01:08, carlmarcos--- via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" wrote: > The mode-line is a very important section of a window. But can be > easily cluttered with > names of minor-modes, as well as by programming and hypertext language > major-mode names. > > For instance, loading an elisp file shows "Emacs-Lisp" in the > made-line. When in *scratch* the string "Lisp Interaction" shows up. > Because I use bold large font, it is easy for the mode-line to get > cluttered. > > As is often the case, emacs users hardly change the mode associated > with the corresponding programming or hypertext language major-mode. > Most often, users work with minor-modes, meaning that people are aware > that lisp programs use emacs-lisp major-mode, and C users are aware > they are using c major-mode (although I find "C/*l" quite > unnecessary). > > Emacs package designers have the ability to display a mode-line name > with the keyword-arg `:lighter'. But the user has no way to remove the > lighter from the mode-line. Would like to request the capability for > users to remove :lighter keywords, if they wish. This would be > particularly useful for those like me who usually have a dense list > showing up in their mode-line. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 26 04:34:39 2022 Received: (at 56215) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jun 2022 08:34:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46688 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o5Nj4-0006Pm-SC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 04:34:39 -0400 Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]:52980) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o5Nj2-0006PY-LY for 56215@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 04:34:37 -0400 Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F317FBF588; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 08:34:30 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1656232470; s=s1; d=tutanota.com; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=BFs3l/ZkW7gtxsS26uMITcivYFmcBBvZ84ZPfsjPMXI=; b=lKCUB6FCqpoPJ5WtOd/fRJbiy0plommzqijF+r/7cpzumyQ5yv8qiaYz7wIwo7iL BEFBpwP+wcEurhznfV+4lgZD8UN/5qTiApuhtaDzjam3YXKYYlV5RbRlDIG6tPvRA44 WikaB5t5TtUPnphm4CppBPVsJJd0ZLruPoSyF3gCHclNtwSDZmd0qoav5xslmLm/iu1 T53H79snHaWOevGbulGnZsZ8VcOuFXac4fO4KRIz+rS18gPS0F4wXLVQpNet1t6CEIS 75mnnKOA5UjopYPH2oB5fBKTzVIhV/AacbvNWldDuL/F7CqGRoHyGKZFjXxuXwWBYXX x3/9O8JrwQ== Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 10:34:30 +0200 (CEST) From: carlmarcos@tutanota.com To: Phil Sainty Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0c7b006177f251663dfa0f0e0d1e7344@webmail.orcon.net.nz-N5SKEQ_----2> References: <0c7b006177f251663dfa0f0e0d1e7344@webmail.orcon.net.nz-N5SKEQ_----2> Subject: Re: bug#56215: Request for decluttering capability on mode-line keywords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_640131_822296924.1656232470305" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56215 Cc: 56215@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_Part_640131_822296924.1656232470305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jun 26, 2022, 00:05 by psainty@orcon.net.nz: > Hi Carl, > > You might find the GNU ELPA package delight.el to be suitable. > See https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/DelightedModes for details. > > There are other options as well, including these (and maybe > more besides): > > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/72194/454 > Because of the heap of packages that have been written, I would favour the = capability to be included in the released version of emacs.=C2=A0 Besides b= eing a request that is not so obscure, `delight.el' breaks down for `c-mode', `c++-mode', `php-mode', and possibly others.=20 Besides, going through seven different implementations amounts to torture f= or users to decide. > Lars, I think this is a duplicate of bug#30978 ? > > > -Phil > > > > On 2022-06-26 01:08, carlmarcos--- via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Sw= iss army knife of text editors" wrote: > >> The mode-line is a very important section of a window. But can be >> easily cluttered with >> names of minor-modes, as well as by programming and hypertext language >> major-mode names. >> >> For instance, loading an elisp file shows "Emacs-Lisp" in the >> made-line. When in *scratch* the string "Lisp Interaction" shows up. >> Because I use bold large font, it is easy for the mode-line to get >> cluttered. >> >> As is often the case, emacs users hardly change the mode associated >> with the corresponding programming or hypertext language major-mode. >> Most often, users work with minor-modes, meaning that people are aware >> that lisp programs use emacs-lisp major-mode, and C users are aware >> they are using c major-mode (although I find "C/*l" quite >> unnecessary). >> >> Emacs package designers have the ability to display a mode-line name >> with the keyword-arg `:lighter'. But the user has no way to remove the >> lighter from the mode-line. Would like to request the capability for >> users to remove :lighter keywords, if they wish. This would be >> particularly useful for those like me who usually have a dense list >> showing up in their mode-line. >> ------=_Part_640131_822296924.1656232470305 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jun 26, 2022, 00:05 by psainty@orcon.net.nz:
<= blockquote class=3D"tutanota_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8= ; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;">
Hi Carl,

You might find the GNU ELPA package delight.el to be suitable.
=
See https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/DelightedModes for details.<= br>

There are other options as well, including the= se (and maybe
more besides):

htt= ps://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/72194/454

Because of the heap of packages that have been written, I would fav= our the capability to be included in the released version of emacs.  B= esides being a request that is not so obscure, `delight.el' breaks down for
`c-mode', `c++-mode', `php-mode', and possibly others.
<= /div>

Besides, going through s= even different implementations amounts to torture for users to decide.
<= /div>


Lars, I think this is a duplicate of bug#3= 0978 ?


-Phil

=


On 2022-06-26 01:08, carlmarcos---= via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" wrot= e:
The mode-line is a very important section of a= window. But can be
easily cluttered with
names= of minor-modes, as well as by programming and hypertext language
=
major-mode names.

For instance, loading a= n elisp file shows "Emacs-Lisp" in the
made-line. When in *sc= ratch* the string "Lisp Interaction" shows up.
Because I use = bold large font, it is easy for the mode-line to get
cluttere= d.

As is often the case, emacs users hardly ch= ange the mode associated
with the corresponding programming o= r hypertext language major-mode.
Most often, users work with = minor-modes, meaning that people are aware
that lisp programs= use emacs-lisp major-mode, and C users are aware
they are us= ing c major-mode (although I find "C/*l" quite
unnecessary).<= br>

Emacs package designers have the ability to di= splay a mode-line name
with the keyword-arg `:lighter'. But t= he user has no way to remove the
lighter from the mode-line. = Would like to request the capability for
users to remove :lig= hter keywords, if they wish. This would be
particularly usefu= l for those like me who usually have a dense list
showing up = in their mode-line.
------=_Part_640131_822296924.1656232470305-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 26 05:28:15 2022 Received: (at 56215) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jun 2022 09:28:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46730 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o5OYx-0007hQ-0y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 05:28:15 -0400 Received: from smtp-1.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.34]:47911) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o5OYs-0007hF-N4 for 56215@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 05:28:14 -0400 Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=23795 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-1.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o5OYp-0008F5-46; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 21:28:07 +1200 Received: from ip-116-251-140-135.kinect.net.nz ([116.251.140.135]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Sun, 26 Jun 2022 21:28:07 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 21:28:07 +1200 From: Phil Sainty To: carlmarcos@tutanota.com Subject: Re: bug#56215: Request for decluttering capability on mode-line keywords In-Reply-To: References: <0c7b006177f251663dfa0f0e0d1e7344@webmail.orcon.net.nz-N5SKEQ_----2> Message-ID: X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz User-Agent: Orcon Webmail X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56215 Cc: 56215@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 2022-06-26 20:34, carlmarcos@tutanota.com wrote: > Besides being a request that is not so obscure, `delight.el' > breaks down for > `c-mode', `c++-mode', `php-mode', and possibly others. Yes, and I'd like to revisit bug#2034 at some point to resolve that; but FYI the documented workaround that you've seen already would suit your needs, because you already stated that you don't want suffixes like "/*l" added to the mode line for those modes. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 26 06:48:09 2022 Received: (at 56215) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jun 2022 10:48:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46815 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o5PoG-0001Rp-Qe for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 06:48:09 -0400 Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]:56356) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o5PoE-0001Qq-QE for 56215@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 06:48:07 -0400 Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91E1FBF8F6; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 10:48:00 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1656240480; s=s1; d=tutanota.com; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=vOXs4MdOUvJ+aq8LyQzJpErQxYaB/ItgK61zBkbuF8w=; b=I3DAPcJEAnOZGsByBZ2TeHsv57wO9qerTQKqtsnerIBGVzD6aihlb2k0FEHBr1uc 55JNkH3ruGVEbpicX93F3pxxqLxEF8963bYDX7sA34BEgtQV6g+oLJEZ0SN7BqnsemU q72L9Db9AGO1sEUf+HnnPC/7s8MFPv7z+SQ2evHwxq6ff0LEJGDxamsQ7ocJZSHS6TW B7FO0baxd4eEN68aGcljg7Ra8tX1h1w7uD5IJ9qgpI+TnkMMNvWqBUBeXe2MN79aFsa a0aAroAS2sHK5pKvjiqafTuz0hFS660qlbNaPJKEyk7PuPr7sarn5KFZE54WRs1WpX7 PQyjpw+SYQ== Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 12:48:00 +0200 (CEST) From: carlmarcos@tutanota.com To: Phil Sainty Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <0c7b006177f251663dfa0f0e0d1e7344@webmail.orcon.net.nz-N5SKEQ_----2> Subject: Re: bug#56215: Request for decluttering capability on mode-line keywords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_643717_1795312902.1656240480814" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56215 Cc: 56215@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_Part_643717_1795312902.1656240480814 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jun 26, 2022, 09:28 by psainty@orcon.net.nz: > On 2022-06-26 20:34, carlmarcos@tutanota.com wrote: > >> Besides being a request that is not so obscure, `delight.el' >> breaks down for >> `c-mode', `c++-mode', `php-mode', and possibly others. >> > > Yes, and I'd like to revisit bug#2034 at some point to resolve > that; but FYI the documented workaround that you've seen already > would suit your needs, because you already stated that you don't > want suffixes like "/*l" added to the mode line for those modes. > What are the suffixes about? ------=_Part_643717_1795312902.1656240480814 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Jun 26, 2022, 09:28 by psainty@orcon.net.nz:
On 2022-06-26 20:34, carlmarcos@tutanota.com wrote:
Besides being a request that is not so obscure, `delight.el'
breaks down for
`c-mode', `c++-mode', `php-mode', and possibly others.

Yes, and I'd like to revisit bug#2034 at some point to resolve
that; but FYI the documented workaround that you've seen already
would suit your needs, because you already stated that you don't
want suffixes like "/*l" added to the mode line for those modes.
What are the suffixes about?
------=_Part_643717_1795312902.1656240480814-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 26 10:08:01 2022 Received: (at 56215) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jun 2022 14:08:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48456 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o5Svh-0004pC-9K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 10:08:01 -0400 Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]:47414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o5Sve-0004ov-AH for 56215@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 10:07:59 -0400 Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A493FA0004; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 14:07:52 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1656252471; s=s1; d=tutanota.com; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=GREmPA/AKeon5ohvgaTRw9jlu4YJUtlH1HTu/nF6XMo=; b=oT7AFMBgXe0ugv9MbrJdw8T3y3TsLvDC6ks0fLOY0XyHO0Oypasc5LbDAdBSFR+9 AUN1TyoFrVRCQCBsKcqtaRolR5hiPI0x76XpiwWiUj2LWpry+e1pyUYMSFuy/cyB95b V2rYUt/M3EBdi/girAY2BW1Mpz9Q0l8MvKEUJ1qcQHt1hBMhb0ct6VjzQeMvXuE/5YO WIal05EWcY5+wgALY7uki2y47nH6tzqktXDOrXLcdYgTX+tVsyuBV+5DIfnggHr36j2 RVXosfN4z8BIY8AcKey5oDLJ798xNxp3wzl5WzVyElHX8UA0qu87+QUwUx+V2UYCufp nyZb8qTbwA== Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 16:07:51 +0200 (CEST) From: carlmarcos@tutanota.com To: carlmarcos@tutanota.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <0c7b006177f251663dfa0f0e0d1e7344@webmail.orcon.net.nz-N5SKEQ_----2> Subject: Re: bug#56215: Request for decluttering capability on mode-line keywords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_650417_1194350924.1656252472221" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56215 Cc: Phil Sainty , 56215@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_Part_650417_1194350924.1656252472221 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jun 26, 2022, 10:48 by bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org: > > Jun 26, 2022, 09:28 by psainty@orcon.net.nz: > >> On 2022-06-26 20:34, carlmarcos@tutanota.com wrote: >> >>> Besides being a request that is not so obscure, `delight.el' >>> breaks down for >>> `c-mode', `c++-mode', `php-mode', and possibly others. >>> >> >> Yes, and I'd like to revisit bug#2034 at some point to resolve >> that; but FYI the documented workaround that you've seen already >> would suit your needs, because you already stated that you don't >> want suffixes like "/*l" added to the mode line for those modes. >> > What are the suffixes about? > How does delight compare to dim? ------=_Part_650417_1194350924.1656252472221 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jun 26, 2022, 10:48 by bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org:
=

Jun 26, 2022,= 09:28 by psainty@orcon.net.nz:
On 2022-06-26 20:34, carlmarcos@tutanota.com wrote:
<= blockquote>
Besides being a request that is not so obscure, `delight.el= '
breaks down for
`c-mode', `c++-mode', `php-mo= de', and possibly others.

Yes, an= d I'd like to revisit bug#2034 at some point to resolve
that;= but FYI the documented workaround that you've seen already
w= ould suit your needs, because you already stated that you don't
want suffixes like "/*l" added to the mode line for those modes.
What are the suffixes about?
How does delight compare to dim?
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And the conclusion is that there's a bunch of these > packages out there for a reason -- people have very different needs and > expectations for the mode line, so different packages makes sense. So > adding something to the core here wouldn't be helpful, and I'm therefore > closing this bug report. > I am pushing only for some basic capability that people can build upon for= =20 specific expectations.=C2=A0=20 ------=_Part_652520_1899652084.1656256182338 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Jun 26, 2022, 14:56 by larsi@gnus.org:
Phil Sainty <psai= nty@orcon.net.nz> writes:
You might find the G= NU ELPA package delight.el to be suitable.
See https://www.em= acswiki.org/emacs/DelightedModes for details.

= There are other options as well, including these (and maybe
m= ore besides):

https://emacs.stackexchange.com/= a/72194/454

Lars, I think this is a duplicate = of bug#30978 ?

Yes, sort of. And= the conclusion is that there's a bunch of these
packages out= there for a reason -- people have very different needs and
e= xpectations for the mode line, so different packages makes sense. So
adding something to the core here wouldn't be helpful, and I'm the= refore
closing this bug report.

I am pushing only for some basic cap= ability that people can build upon for
specific= expectations. 
------=_Part_652520_1899652084.1656256182338-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 26 16:59:41 2022 Received: (at 56215) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jun 2022 20:59:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49220 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o5ZM5-0001Rx-Ab for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 16:59:41 -0400 Received: from smtp-2.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.43]:39335) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o5ZM1-0001Rm-Io for 56215@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 16:59:40 -0400 Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=37603 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-2.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o5ZLz-0008HE-AZ; Mon, 27 Jun 2022 08:59:35 +1200 Received: from ip-116-251-140-135.kinect.net.nz ([116.251.140.135]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Mon, 27 Jun 2022 08:59:35 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 08:59:35 +1200 From: Phil Sainty To: carlmarcos@tutanota.com Subject: Re: bug#56215: Request for decluttering capability on mode-line keywords In-Reply-To: References: <0c7b006177f251663dfa0f0e0d1e7344@webmail.orcon.net.nz-N5SKEQ_----2> Message-ID: X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz User-Agent: Orcon Webmail X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56215 Cc: 56215@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 2022-06-26 22:48, carlmarcos@tutanota.com wrote: >> would suit your needs, because you already stated that you don't >> want suffixes like "/*l" added to the mode line for those modes. > > What are the suffixes about? Refer to: C-h i g (ccmode)Minor Modes > How does delight compare to dim? AFAIU they're broadly similar, but I don't really know. I wrote delight so that's what I use. The alternative at the time was diminish.el which I found cumbersome and limited to minor modes (hence writing an alternative), but that's the only comparison I can make from personal experience. I've seen the others mentioned over the years, but I don't use any of them, so I recommend just checking their documentation. -Phil From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 01 12:38:52 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jul 2022 16:38:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39093 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o7JfQ-0008BZ-2z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2022 12:38:52 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:35024) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o7JfN-0008BP-Vy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2022 12:38:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54410) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o7JfN-0004Ia-Ps for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2022 12:38:49 -0400 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:60186) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o7JfM-0000kC-7g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2022 12:38:49 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o7JfI-0006Q9-Er for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2022 18:38:44 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Howard Melman Subject: Re: bug#56215: Request for decluttering capability on mode-line keywords Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2022 12:38:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: <0c7b006177f251663dfa0f0e0d1e7344@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <87sfnreamy.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:/KsLG06opbh+nnYsjjVz4uztywY= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Phil Sainty writes: > >> You might find the GNU ELPA package delight.el to be suitable. >> See https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/DelightedModes for details. >> >> There are other options as well, including these (and maybe >> more besides): >> >> https://emacs.stackexchange.com/a/72194/454 >> >> Lars, I think this is a duplicate of bug#30978 ? > > Yes, sort of. And the conclusion is that there's a bunch of these > packages out there for a reason -- people have very different needs and > expectations for the mode line, so different packages makes sense. So > adding something to the core here wouldn't be helpful, and I'm therefore > closing this bug report. As I tried to express in bug#30978, one of the reasons there are packages to do this is that some modes hardcode their lighter string and if they defined variables instead, like many other modes do, users (and these package writers) would have an easier time. Now that most minor modes use define-minor-mode there's an easy place to correct this. I think there are now 3 people supporting this and the only argument against was: On the one hand, a `foo-mode-lighter' variable would make things easy and regular. On the other hand, it means creating a new user option for each minor mode (i.e., a defcustom), and it means having these in `minor-mode-alist', which means one additional variable lookup (per minor mode) when creating the mode line. I still think that's a fine trade off. I see ~70 modes in emacs that use a hard-coded :lighter string and most are specific to some major mode as opposed to being generally on in all modes. I wish you'd reconsider bug#30978. Also, the elisp manual when discussing :lighter doesn't mention using a symbol as a value or the customization that provides to the user and I think it should. -- Howard From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 08 11:57:57 2022 Received: (at 56215) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2022 15:57:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33046 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o9qMe-0001tV-BG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2022 11:57:57 -0400 Received: from pv50p00im-ztbu10021601.me.com ([17.58.6.57]:42384) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o9qMc-0001tG-0d for 56215@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2022 11:57:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=me.com; s=1a1hai; t=1657295868; bh=ueulnr7SapuEzEIES2puHsFnyzHCTijcBr69n5akKek=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=owJCpw/sqgbK8X56sH7ej6lnO5FzEe7JhDpwyFgtGhdlBxpQwqDU+RQxYw+zX+L0N oa935qWJGNf+yDwCjjdhUSFh9zbf+yOxF1s/awOCWjWG2BGrnpWSg7ibyfmOCevGKO XCPNfcCv29AQTKRJhDsDknyevmQrLPIaXt/hlbm5VIxVkbnWbsflskmn6BpwWzOyPD tRxF2Daq853PjwAPa1sDWChH9JDoGFjdsfbPoNzX19QfxE+vZTQpA4YdYEc4mn9g55 Za8+RJIZp9CAieNJ5IXUPjLfLZcfg0WGWQIW4P0mykaKfJoUhuxS28dz7nUy2GdMVX KV0+UsV7gnqUw== Received: from Rudolfs-MacBook-Air.local (pv50p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.56.9.10]) by pv50p00im-ztbu10021601.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B290D804EB; Fri, 8 Jul 2022 15:57:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Rudolf =?utf-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= To: carlmarcos@tutanota.com, 56215@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#56215: Request for decluttering capability on mode-line keywords In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2022 17:57:43 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-GUID: 2LOAJ5RgoqxFbbxXGuQiHmCSGBDoXata X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: 2LOAJ5RgoqxFbbxXGuQiHmCSGBDoXata X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: =?UTF-8?Q?vendor=3Dfsecure_engine=3D1.1.170-22c6f66c430a71ce266a39bfe25bc?= =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.517,18.0.572,17.0.605.474.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2022-06-21=5F01:2022-06-21=5F01,2020-02-14=5F11,2020-01-23?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F02_signatures=3D0?= X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 clxscore=1011 phishscore=0 mlxlogscore=511 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2202240000 definitions=main-2207080061 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56215 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) carlmarcos--- via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" writes: > Would like to request the capability for users to remove :lighter > keywords, if they wish. +1 for adding this 101 capability to vanilla Emacs. Using a 3rd-party package makes lazy configuration more complex, for any such package must install before all the other packages that use it can initialize. Rudy --=20 "'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'" -- Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass, 1871/1872 Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D [he/him] Studenohorsk=C3=A1 25 84103 Bratislava Slovakia From unknown Fri Aug 15 15:36:25 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2022 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator