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29.0.50; Increasing max-redisplay-ticks after it is set very low does nothing

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 29.0.50; Increasing max-redisplay-ticks after it is set very low
 does nothing
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 18:30:23 +0800

Start "emacs -Q", and then evaluate (with M-:)

  (setq max-redisplay-ticks 3)

after the window containing *scratch* no longer redisplays, evalute

  (setq max-redisplay-ticks 3000000000000000)

and type M-x redraw-display RET.  The entire frame will become blank and
refuse to redisplay until a new frame is created.

In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 192, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, Motif Version 2.3.4)
 of 2022-06-24 built on trinity
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Message #8 received at 56184 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: 56184 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56184: 29.0.50;
 Increasing max-redisplay-ticks after it is set very low does nothing
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 14:17:22 +0300

> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 18:30:23 +0800
> From:  Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
> 
> 
> Start "emacs -Q", and then evaluate (with M-:)
> 
>   (setq max-redisplay-ticks 3)
> 
> after the window containing *scratch* no longer redisplays, evalute
> 
>   (setq max-redisplay-ticks 3000000000000000)
> 
> and type M-x redraw-display RET.  The entire frame will become blank and
> refuse to redisplay until a new frame is created.

Please try again.  (Your build seems to be without --enable-checking,
because with that I get assertion violation.)

Message #11 received at 56184 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 56184 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56184: 29.0.50; Increasing max-redisplay-ticks after it is
 set very low does nothing
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 20:01:35 +0800

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Please try again.  (Your build seems to be without --enable-checking,
> because with that I get assertion violation.)

Unfortunately, redraw-display still does nothing.

Message #14 received at 56184 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: 56184 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56184: 29.0.50; Increasing max-redisplay-ticks after it is
 set very low does nothing
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 15:05:37 +0300

> From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
> Cc: 56184 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 20:01:35 +0800
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > Please try again.  (Your build seems to be without --enable-checking,
> > because with that I get assertion violation.)
> 
> Unfortunately, redraw-display still does nothing.

What do you expect it to do?

If you type "C-x" and wait, does the "C-x" echo appear in the
minibuffer?  Is Emacs responsive in general, i.e. can you issue
commands, and do those commands produce the expected results?

IOW, "does nothing" tells me nothing, and I don't really understand
what is the problem you are describing, let alone why you think it's a
problem.

Message #17 received at 56184 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 56184 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56184: 29.0.50; Increasing max-redisplay-ticks after it is
 set very low does nothing
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 21:08:15 +0800

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> What do you expect it to do?

To redraw the entire frame, since max-redisplay-ticks is now
sufficiently large.

> If you type "C-x" and wait, does the "C-x" echo appear in the
> minibuffer?  Is Emacs responsive in general, i.e. can you issue
> commands, and do those commands produce the expected results?

Yes, aside from redisplay not doing anything, causing redraw-display to
leave behind a completely blank frame.

Message #20 received at 56184 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: 56184 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56184: 29.0.50; Increasing max-redisplay-ticks after it is
 set very low does nothing
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 16:29:57 +0300

> From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
> Cc: 56184 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 21:08:15 +0800
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > What do you expect it to do?
> 
> To redraw the entire frame, since max-redisplay-ticks is now
> sufficiently large.

That won't happen, unless you type C-l or make some change (e.g., type
a character) into *scratch*, because the buffer *scratch* is marked
"not to be redisplayed", and the only window on the frame is the
window showing *scratch*.  So this is the expected and documented
behavior.

> > If you type "C-x" and wait, does the "C-x" echo appear in the
> > minibuffer?  Is Emacs responsive in general, i.e. can you issue
> > commands, and do those commands produce the expected results?
> 
> Yes, aside from redisplay not doing anything

That's not really true, because the echo which appears in the echo
area and display of the characters you type in the minibuffer are
produced by redisplay.  So "not doing anything" is at least
inaccurate.  It just doesn't re4display the window which caused
problems, that's all.  As expected.

> causing redraw-display to leave behind a completely blank frame.

The frame has just one window, which is marked not to be displayed.
Try "C-x 4 b RET".

Bottom line: I don't see any bug here.  Aborting redisplay of a window
has got to produce some weird effects, like outdated display on the
glass, semi-empty or empty windows, etc.  What else should we expect
when we abandon redisplay of a window at some arbitrary point?

Message #25 received at 56184-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 56184-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56184: 29.0.50; Increasing max-redisplay-ticks after it is
 set very low does nothing
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 08:02:51 +0800

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
>> Cc: 56184 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 21:08:15 +0800
>> 
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
>> 
>> > What do you expect it to do?
>> 
>> To redraw the entire frame, since max-redisplay-ticks is now
>> sufficiently large.
>
> That won't happen, unless you type C-l or make some change (e.g., type
> a character) into *scratch*, because the buffer *scratch* is marked
> "not to be redisplayed", and the only window on the frame is the
> window showing *scratch*.  So this is the expected and documented
> behavior.

Okay then, so I'm closing this bug.

Thanks.

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