From unknown Fri Jun 20 18:19:11 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5597: Dired unable to properly recognize file names Resent-From: "Otto Maddox" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 5597 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: 5597@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.126650777113472 (code B ref -1); Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:43:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2010 15:42:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ni8Wh-0003VF-Aq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:42:51 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ni8Hc-0003KO-Ih for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:27:17 -0500 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:48222) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ni8HX-0007ZG-Rv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:27:11 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ni8HV-00074x-0k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:27:11 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on monty-python X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:47863) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ni8HU-00074j-K8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:27:08 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ni8HU-0005pn-4X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:27:08 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=59800 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ni8HT-0005p9-B7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:27:07 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ni8HR-00005p-Ue for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:27:06 -0500 Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.26]:51229) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ni8HR-00005G-QN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:27:05 -0500 Received: from compute2.internal (compute2 [10.202.2.42]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B93E0ECD for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from web5.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.214]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:27:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject:date; s=smtpout; bh=bRUkOmzpNzVs1sH4k5OpPqizKbU=; b=KEJYShdCRqiKJCuFOU2t1xKUhQCISTOAows/FRdD9H0ZYR9w378B09XMk14pJMxGwxKMZV6x9Yr12dXIBsxjCf0HtkB/Yx1tcVS3QVj/8Y+jrkc1jvlMPAyrQkRMLVEdCCPxe5P5MajKG7w0MqTH7KiqUjJ9YqiPVSNiaCg9Nc4= Received: by web5.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id EEEDB1508DC; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:27:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1266506823.28042.1360653453@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: krgnYkXeEx0bqzfavxVRb3sFOTJIbA0YTXU9vQCXp9yT 1266506823 From: "Otto Maddox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:27:03 +0000 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:42:50 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) In the shell create a new file: $ touch ~/2010-02-18\ foo Then in Emacs: C-x d ~ RET and move down to the line file you just created. Only the "foo" portion is recognized as belonging to the file name. Trying to visit the file with RET then gives: dired-get-file-for-visit: File no longer exists; type `g' to update dired buffer In GNU Emacs 22.3.1 (i386-apple-darwin9.4.0, Carbon Version 1.6.0) of 2008-09-16 Windowing system distributor `Apple Inc.', version 10.5.8 configured using `configure '--enable-carbon-app'' -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again From unknown Fri Jun 20 18:19:11 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5597: Dired unable to properly recognize file names In-Reply-To: <1266506823.28042.1360653453@webmail.messagingengine.com> Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 5597 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: "Otto Maddox" Cc: 5597@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 5597-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5597.12665392094190 (code B ref 5597); Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:27:02 +0000 Received: (at 5597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2010 00:26:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NiGhk-00015X-Sr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:26:49 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NiGhk-00015S-31 for 5597@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:26:48 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NiGhg-0001S6-9A; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:26:44 -0500 References: <1266506823.28042.1360653453@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Glenn Morris X-Spook: csim Mossad blackjack e-bomb IMF M-14 CID Adriatic X-Ran: ;"Ym+8NE!An;*;T88mB];UmUzOi2}j%A<.j+`o\< User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) "Otto Maddox" wrote: > In the shell create a new file: > > $ touch ~/2010-02-18\ foo > > Then in Emacs: > > C-x d ~ RET This works fine for me in GNU/Linux with `emacs -Q', in Emacs 22.3, 23.1, and the current trunk. Maybe this is Mac-specific? Seems odd. > In GNU Emacs 22.3.1 (i386-apple-darwin9.4.0, Carbon Version 1.6.0) From unknown Fri Jun 20 18:19:11 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5597: Dired unable to properly recognize file names Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 04:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 5597 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 5597@debbugs.gnu.org, Otto Maddox Received: via spool by 5597-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5597.126655458516090 (code B ref 5597); Fri, 19 Feb 2010 04:44:02 +0000 Received: (at 5597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2010 04:43:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NiKhl-0004BT-4P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:43:05 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NiKhj-0004B7-AM for 5597@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:43:03 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEACulfUvO+Jyg/2dsb2JhbACbB3W/WYRnBIMVh10 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,501,1262581200"; d="scan'208";a="56329321" Received: from 206-248-156-160.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([206.248.156.160]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 18 Feb 2010 23:42:59 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 66B23B429B; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:42:59 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <1266506823.28042.1360653453@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8zaav69ikb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:42:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: <8zaav69ikb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:26:44 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) >> In the shell create a new file: >> $ touch ~/2010-02-18\ foo >> Then in Emacs: >> C-x d ~ RET > This works fine for me in GNU/Linux with `emacs -Q', in Emacs 22.3, > 23.1, and the current trunk. Maybe this is Mac-specific? Seems odd. I think it depends on whether your `ls' supports --dired. Stefan From unknown Fri Jun 20 18:19:11 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5597: Dired unable to properly recognize file names Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:31:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 5597 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 5597@debbugs.gnu.org, Otto Maddox Received: via spool by 5597-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5597.126671942719649 (code B ref 5597); Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:31:02 +0000 Received: (at 5597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2010 02:30:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nj1aV-00056s-7T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:30:27 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nj1aT-00056j-Q4 for 5597@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:30:26 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nj1aP-0005OS-V5; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:30:21 -0500 References: <1266506823.28042.1360653453@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8zaav69ikb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> From: Glenn Morris X-Spook: terrorist enemy of the state UOP undercover data haven X-Ran: YHv_%$Y'383t*nr^6)-n$%~^:7xBQEFq+gcIJDX[xA}vst@tab5-Y)T'WA*&U8aAki0`G| X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:30:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu\, 18 Feb 2010 23\:42\:59 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) Stefan Monnier wrote: > I think it depends on whether your `ls' supports --dired. Indeed it fails if one sets dired-use-ls-dired to nil. That variable is initialized in a funny way, via (string-match "gnu" system-configuration) I guess (?) many Mac users do indeed have access to GNU ls, despite not having "gnu" in their `system-configuration'. It also doesn't really seem to be documented anywhere that dired will perform less well if the underlying ls does not support --dired. From unknown Fri Jun 20 18:19:11 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5597: Dired unable to properly recognize file names Resent-From: Chong Yidong Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:28:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 5597 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 5597@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Otto Maddox Received: via spool by 5597-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5597.126678765313672 (code B ref 5597); Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:28:02 +0000 Received: (at 5597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2010 21:27:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NjJKt-0003YS-Ql for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:27:32 -0500 Received: from pantheon-po34.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.80]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NjJKr-0003YN-Rp for 5597@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:27:30 -0500 Received: from furry (173-14-147-246-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.14.147.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po34.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o1LLRPg7025258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:27:25 -0500 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 162B2C05D; Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:27:25 -0500 (EST) From: Chong Yidong References: <1266506823.28042.1360653453@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8zaav69ikb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:27:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:30:21 -0500") Message-ID: <871vgeffer.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Glenn Morris writes: > Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> I think it depends on whether your `ls' supports --dired. > > Indeed it fails if one sets dired-use-ls-dired to nil. The trouble is that directory-listing-before-filename-regexp matches that last possible string that looks like a date. It has to do this because, without knowing anything else about the locale, we can't distinguish (say) user-names from month names. However, when we are using the iso date format, it's possible to be stricter, and I have changed the regexp accordingly. This fixes the bug for the current specific case. Though I'm not sure how to fix it for, say, files named "Aug 7 2009 foo". From unknown Fri Jun 20 18:19:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5597: Dired unable to properly recognize file names Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 12:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5597 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: Glenn Morris , 5597@debbugs.gnu.org, Otto Maddox Received: via spool by 5597-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5597.131634793425895 (code B ref 5597); Sun, 18 Sep 2011 12:13:02 +0000 Received: (at 5597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2011 12:12:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5GEH-0006jW-63 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:12:13 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5GED-0006j9-54 for 5597@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:12:09 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R5G9A-0002Qd-Su; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:06:56 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:42:59 -0500") Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 13:59:05 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1266506823.28042.1360653453@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8zaav69ikb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Jane Siberry's _Maria_: "See the Child" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1R5G9A-0002Qd-Su X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1316952417.96217@8Jtr2ckystSMaHH6ARguFQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: > I think it depends on whether your `ls' supports --dired. Speaking of which, is there any particular reason why dired still uses an external program? If it's because `ls-lisp' is too slow, wouldn't it be rather easy to, say, extend `directory-files' to return a list of stat structures instead? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Fri Jun 20 18:19:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5597: Dired unable to properly recognize file names Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5597 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Cc: 5597@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, ottomaddox@fastmail.fm Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 5597-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5597.131635897916251 (code B ref 5597); Sun, 18 Sep 2011 15:17:02 +0000 Received: (at 5597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2011 15:16:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5J6Q-0004E3-P8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:16:19 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5J6O-0004Dv-MP for 5597@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:16:17 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LRQ006004P53V00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 5597@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:11:16 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.239.98]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LRQ0066E4UR0630@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:11:16 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:10:14 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83mxe1ubs9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1266506823.28042.1360653453@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8zaav69ikb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen > Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 13:59:05 +0200 > Cc: 5597@debbugs.gnu.org, Otto Maddox > > Speaking of which, is there any particular reason why dired still uses > an external program? If it's because `ls-lisp' is too slow I don't think it's slow on a Posix system, where the `stat' function is highly optimized and very fast. I think the main reasons are (a) inertia, and (b) ls-lisp doesn't support all of the switches available with GNU `ls'. From unknown Fri Jun 20 18:19:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5597: Dired unable to properly recognize file names In-Reply-To: <1266506823.28042.1360653453@webmail.messagingengine.com> Resent-From: Andy Moreton Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5597 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 5597@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.131643351517089 (code B ref -1); Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:59:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2011 11:58:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5cUb-0004RZ-O0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 07:58:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5cUY-0004RR-HB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 07:58:31 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R5cPd-00076t-7c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 07:53:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO, RP_MATCHES_RCVD, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:45289) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R5cPd-00076p-6A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 07:53:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:48864) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R5cPZ-0005g6-KC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 07:53:25 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R5cPU-000761-Tl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 07:53:21 -0400 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:53499) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R5cPU-00075u-OA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 07:53:16 -0400 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5cPS-0004E5-Lv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:53:14 +0200 Received: from 193.34.186.16 ([193.34.186.16]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:53:14 +0200 Received: from andrewjmoreton by 193.34.186.16 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:53:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ From: Andy Moreton Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:52:59 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <1266506823.28042.1360653453@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8zaav69ikb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83mxe1ubs9.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.34.186.16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ARlLNjPcLFYDblasKQ0dAAY5fUo= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) On Sun 18 Sep 2011, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen >> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 13:59:05 +0200 >> Cc: 5597@debbugs.gnu.org, Otto Maddox >> >> Speaking of which, is there any particular reason why dired still uses >> an external program? If it's because `ls-lisp' is too slow > > I don't think it's slow on a Posix system, where the `stat' function > is highly optimized and very fast. I think the main reasons are > (a) inertia, and (b) ls-lisp doesn't support all of the switches > available with GNU `ls'. On Windows it is useful to be able to run Cygwin ls as a program to see Cygwin's symlinks and permissions. AndyM From unknown Fri Jun 20 18:19:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5597: Dired unable to properly recognize file names Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:53:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5597 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andy Moreton Cc: 5597@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 5597-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5597.131643673622076 (code B ref 5597); Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:53:02 +0000 Received: (at 5597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2011 12:52:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5dKa-0005k1-JQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:52:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5dKY-0005ju-Uw for 5597@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:52:15 -0400 Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R5dFi-0001Qa-0l; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:47:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:47:14 -0400 Message-Id: From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Andy Moreton on Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:52:59 +0100) References: <1266506823.28042.1360653453@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8zaav69ikb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83mxe1ubs9.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) > From: Andy Moreton > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:52:59 +0100 > > On Windows it is useful to be able to run Cygwin ls as a program > to see Cygwin's symlinks and permissions. There should be no problem to support Cygwin symlinks in native w32 code that implements `stat'. Patches welcome. From unknown Fri Jun 20 18:19:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5597: Dired unable to properly recognize file names Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5597 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 5597@debbugs.gnu.org, Andy Moreton Received: via spool by 5597-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5597.131644999613043 (code B ref 5597); Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:34:01 +0000 Received: (at 5597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2011 16:33:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5gmS-0003OJ-AG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:33:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5gmQ-0003OD-7o for 5597@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:33:14 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R5ghX-0003xG-59; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:28:11 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <1266506823.28042.1360653453@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8zaav69ikb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83mxe1ubs9.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: Comirex Consul cryptanalysis Dateline kilo class Qaddafi X-Ran: (f5G_ace825$kjR,9^LS+woE*-I{&%]1$Et[.n3&iZBI>}^q~10sA (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:47:14 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) BTW, the actual problem that triggered this report almost certainly does not exist anymore, since dired.el now tests "properly" for --dired support, so it should be found on a Mac. Also the relevance of --dired is now mentioned in the manual, plus dired gives a message the first time it is used if --dired is not found to be supported. I'm inclined to merge this with #9039 and hence close it. From unknown Fri Jun 20 18:19:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5597: Dired unable to properly recognize file names Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5597 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 5597@debbugs.gnu.org, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 5597-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5597.131645049613738 (code B ref 5597); Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 5597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2011 16:41:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5guW-0003ZX-5n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:41:36 -0400 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5guT-0003ZP-Ql for 5597@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:41:35 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LRS004003ECZW00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 5597@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:36:30 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.239.98]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LRS004S93GRQU90@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:36:28 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:35:27 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83bougtrqo.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1266506823.28042.1360653453@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8zaav69ikb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83mxe1ubs9.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: Andy Moreton , 5597@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:28:11 -0400 > > I'm inclined to merge this with #9039 and hence close it. FWIW, I don't mind. I just answered Lars's question about ls-lisp. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 19 23:33:30 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Sep 2011 03:33:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5r5O-00049X-Cs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:33:30 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R5r5N-00049R-3b for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:33:29 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R5r0S-00063h-BL for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:28:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:28:24 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 5597 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) unarchive 9039 forcemerge 9039 5597 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 05 21:43:54 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2011 01:43:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBd06-000068-JK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:43:54 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBd05-000062-Ad for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:43:54 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBczz-0002Nw-Bs for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:43:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:43:47 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 3710 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) forcemerge 9039 3710