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Tue, 14 Jun 2022 15:08:25 +0200 From: Gregor Zattler To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Feature request: configure option to build Emacs without any documentation In-Reply-To: <83h74ntsix.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87o7z61v59.fsf@gmail.com> <87bkv527p5.fsf@gmail.com> <835yld93w7.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5t0yrn.fsf@gmail.com> <87r140yuof.fsf@gmail.com> <875yl9e7zm.fsf@gmail.com> <83czfh12kp.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmjhghu2.fsf@localhost> <835yl910gp.fsf@gnu.org> <87wndndbhq.fsf@gmail.com> <83bkuzznws.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5mqmkh.fsf@localhost> <83k09kt1uk.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8t4klox.fsf@localhost> <83h74ntsix.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 15:08:21 +0200 Message-ID: <87o7yvmlyy.fsf@no.workgroup> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:krkCW0BSbf1tkZGLekYj4gvrDw0M+qutfZz5k507tGzUE8h9gS9 i5FXgNR8zhMez9Twn5O38qp9I33u+VI9EbsukZg+SAQgTcj+ov4rZ8VQtahavIYyyNk4dvm 8aOhuo8OFkqp2fZ7mFlpvnho8U7bBagd7NvS602lcyoKrQYDXBxWvQBEjJ9nUu2ziCFJS3z WBei/GzME5KMtb8F+55DA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:gqxvlOSjydc=:ETw3LuWHoIesGVLqsY815c +WSTcozV2DGsM73OwM+uTjODAPsmEx6OUWzsmMT6nIwkPzx53WgEzNNqu34e3dIEUs9nwxWOT Y7KOcbfgIw6ThnhYZsroJE/oV6hrH3hYhMRQgoZDMJ9VDVDliBa+hoFcBm35R5D5yE84j99X2 me+YKqGLyQux8Rp7tvBvXXhiJXyoGGQSgrJA/ml7naEm/fhHtcclJWI8zgkgyu3c9oKgaPKYq uLr+4r2yvzOntxaNred4/7UhiES8CSY7b6O4wCkfaGHvRE0xWxHqSQKw0hfKRVJVaJcG+qKlo M0lElmVrPZKdvo45tKC3ik6SOi36jV6vMwGjVJ2GW4rYYDPvAHHeZyQ/1hbRfNNjVzEhOaajq r1JZk3lMP7DQHsvZjdw+poloMM6s9LJfD0jivEDiHQIPAEI7XUdxDk8ElDyVd6z6HAAUV8ZB6 rgIjfXQaadEg1f+i54sxK7PC8nxcqfr8+lr4JwgAKBStr4qYzWg+wqH9cEhbKSnqO2ahY51mE ZRNz1lWmG2NnE06RAP/62MfP5Z4mY7h0fbaq74MRco4B1i97DTNpqF1XCqutcWWkRQ1wcQbTa IpZGritCMtj+U9RTFzzicdQTfzEnxjDNsZTpjQyyCALWlMVBVu6twS+Bq89mNRYN7B/egSsnG VumXtW4ZvSM1pggoTROw7oar1yHdoDNku2i8ivUO82fYsFriHMDGBEjQwO+atT6NL/LlxApjM 9PVSDgCUMoPhkYpSRq4ndo+WMDzvGXGOLp/YT7u2m/KZ+UBFpL8RvZBKF3BLUE+nHXGLl+5lh d/Vt/1IN4IgJWWFLS4vZ+xOO1xolZQwQpcMQt1L00+i6Oq2L/NXSVAGotjRc3znVhjSNY9L8Z zoNxkdtNWsXFAA5WQiBsynDQeBVQQGLOJtEEBe1Era30AcukmHpIEeRrAhaWXoSuLbdCTIHlm xjihKgcEEmy/O+AEC82+gqp2bAL4lSiXuwtEC08axA1yi5cp1+NHa/biX8rObXirTh1GauABK 38PhMRtJFvoyiMY9L3w3w/zq+q+DesFeEEW4hwWf+tI+rDPdaKLcne0Cg6MfkXQQ0sqNS76/p 8jafdBC7N5Z3g8LQzzqzaL/HyBm/+Pn/Dn8DkmDpsI72BEFIndpp1gNmw== Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.15; envelope-from=telegraph@gmx.net; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Dear emacs developers, Eli, * Eli Zaretskii [2022-06-14; 14:04]: > An optimized build of Emacs produces org.texi in about 30 to 40 > seconds here, and that is also quite annoying for a production build. > Lars recently made significant changes in our build scripts and > support code because he didn't like much shorter delays. We build > Emacs many times a week, so these delays add up. the possibility to configure an Emacs in order to build without any documentation , as perhaps in: ~/src/emacs $ ./configure --without-any-documentation [...] would be especially helpful for Emacs devs and for everybody when doing git bisect with unoptimized builds. Thanks for Emacs, Gregor From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 14 09:37:21 2022 Received: (at 55969) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jun 2022 13:37:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33511 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o16jR-0002ko-CV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:37:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54870) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o16jN-0002ka-VY for 55969@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:37:20 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36250) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o16jH-0006UO-Mg; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:37:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=/BC9un8fehqcFvo00eaLQrTyhiQAbroSL9dgjFN4jSw=; b=oMvCwmJ1oDdY SUNTI2CbrISg5ujoGITtEnQPsZ9Sl183OlmqKkV21HtGi31H2aY4CZ3DtzNw5Ak76UtwZtbHA7cET Pmr3pJtBVONVWwvPYdYQAeB7t6PUpKBKIEBYhqlvsUqUYYLczmHD2WZQAkCxk9kfmteFALyQ/iw/X e6VkJvihkoeZDWFvufhcDyzI6mBifOn1/jptPvlKL98UVlWtonBVIvK+TuOnB2I5Q4WvpSfu/Wjpy S0n53FmdeC0wVnUHJPemIzal3ToE3eE1qjsB4s0a42kFXp0w40G9kdo28L/hK3F91riHGKe1kKX9L SONx5ByfGFG7V9d1n4YoZw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3476 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o16jH-0006nz-5F; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:37:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 16:36:59 +0300 Message-Id: <831qvrtlhg.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Gregor Zattler In-Reply-To: <87o7yvmlyy.fsf@no.workgroup> (message from Gregor Zattler on Tue, 14 Jun 2022 15:08:21 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#55969: Feature request: configure option to build Emacs without any documentation References: <87o7z61v59.fsf@gmail.com> <87bkv527p5.fsf@gmail.com> <835yld93w7.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5t0yrn.fsf@gmail.com> <87r140yuof.fsf@gmail.com> <875yl9e7zm.fsf@gmail.com> <83czfh12kp.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmjhghu2.fsf@localhost> <835yl910gp.fsf@gnu.org> <87wndndbhq.fsf@gmail.com> <83bkuzznws.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5mqmkh.fsf@localhost> <83k09kt1uk.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8t4klox.fsf@localhost> <83h74ntsix.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7yvmlyy.fsf@no.workgroup> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55969 Cc: 55969@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Gregor Zattler > Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 15:08:21 +0200 > > Dear emacs developers, Eli, > * Eli Zaretskii [2022-06-14; 14:04]: > > An optimized build of Emacs produces org.texi in about 30 to 40 > > seconds here, and that is also quite annoying for a production build. > > Lars recently made significant changes in our build scripts and > > support code because he didn't like much shorter delays. We build > > Emacs many times a week, so these delays add up. > > the possibility to configure an Emacs in order > to build without any documentation , as perhaps in: > > ~/src/emacs $ ./configure --without-any-documentation [...] > > would be especially helpful for Emacs devs and for everybody > when doing git bisect with unoptimized builds. Thanks, but I don't see how can I do partial builds: one can never know to which part of Emacs will bug reports or submitted patches be related. 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Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o1AiC-0008Qo-4i; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 13:52:20 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Gregor Zattler Subject: Re: bug#55969: Feature request: configure option to build Emacs without any documentation References: <87bkv527p5.fsf@gmail.com> <835yld93w7.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5t0yrn.fsf@gmail.com> <87r140yuof.fsf@gmail.com> <875yl9e7zm.fsf@gmail.com> <83czfh12kp.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmjhghu2.fsf@localhost> <835yl910gp.fsf@gnu.org> <87wndndbhq.fsf@gmail.com> <83bkuzznws.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5mqmkh.fsf@localhost> <83k09kt1uk.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8t4klox.fsf@localhost> <83h74ntsix.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7yvmlyy.fsf@no.workgroup> X-Spook: Snow Merlin Soros Vaccine Mafia FSB TSA UN X-Ran: z`3lclG.aeA@WN+pU5pC+]|*&#V~7SC'`(esnjMl/^$q`.UV(z!Uf.r/Zm9^z`Kv>pvL]N X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 13:52:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87o7yvmlyy.fsf@no.workgroup> (Gregor Zattler's message of "Tue, 14 Jun 2022 15:08:21 +0200") Message-ID: <85yl3b0a3.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55969 Cc: 55969@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) You don't need a configure option; just use make -C src emacs (used to work; haven't checked recently) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 15 08:34:52 2022 Received: (at 55969) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2022 12:34:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36835 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o1SEV-0001qq-Ok for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2022 08:34:51 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:60634) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o1SEU-0001qc-G5 for 55969@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2022 08:34:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Glenn Morris writes: > You don't need a configure option; just use > > make -C src emacs > > (used to work; haven't checked recently) Yes, I don't think a configuration option here will give us something substantially easier to work with during bisection. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55969 Cc: Gregor Zattler , 55969@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Glenn Morris writes: > You don't need a configure option; just use > > make -C src emacs > > (used to work; haven't checked recently) Yes, I don't think a configuration option here will give us something substantially easier to work with during bisection. However, it might be nice to have a target in GNUmakefile for doing bisection that would allow you to say git checkout ...; git clean -dfx; make without-manuals that would run autogen/configure as normal, but then "make -C src emacs" instead of "make all"? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 15 08:50:52 2022 Received: (at 55969) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2022 12:50:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36895 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o1STz-0004VK-Th for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2022 08:50:52 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-f41.google.com ([209.85.221.41]:43965) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o1STx-0004V3-Cp for 55969@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2022 08:50:50 -0400 Received: by mail-wr1-f41.google.com with SMTP id m24so15203108wrb.10 for <55969@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 15 Jun 2022 05:50:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version; bh=EarF/QPxlepqYZIpTxMS5CSEkCA+YjeY7SnfeUFIEoE=; b=KLAKOtICIL8jZmuZBZfhYp47tKOW4qvMV8X0p+eD5UqNL/SvLGPerBCbzCuf/I7B93 38673bZyheqcTMPC6EouNNNOJejIEo/zPr8CQfUFnKmmy1E+4jGcTDGNiPlCefmKOKRs dJGt9iraImFFBFy1XyhWezeCxKb43FzyPw9c6NP1i9JOi4TjcoHf/Se/bpS+Gr+LWDgH RHw/RPOLQcM8c66Z7StbJ+++ZFODG3rn+IfD2JefSXS5bGjmXPfhM3lr2OzGRhfGpb+x 4vhFQPzoLmniDIVvW8/dC+WUH31NoV7DRDEWj9oUaLjIyQ6pth5r50A5pdm+jUspHoME zC/A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version; bh=EarF/QPxlepqYZIpTxMS5CSEkCA+YjeY7SnfeUFIEoE=; b=WqU6vqjbktuffXFcu7xJFqapIbJ3XbDRGP11KNKvq0K7lnFAB3dbhWHo6TySPJPH7f PZCyu2nXwJ+0WLGTW0GOtzVSf1pRWDZVr4KZcqmGusOo8zIIdgtM3UWX/C80fpMrfw0D cWwl7FxBBvLzTYW/i2ip8ODXF1wCEyWlFtrd2FNDCA6ycJLVYwsNPMKdtkBGX4UNPB+z Uhz7eWpZeddUN/JhvX3MKNL17r1xuMQjRHzg3k8H/pCraAx2KRT1YhiM5TuB20X+24ys nYCH6k9oI7swrjmctFDd9dVWz7QR3YIjWrG/uKw3liAd7E3VKMHGYs85cO3DMpR1cd5G Dtaw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora/neaQXe5+gHq3STmzqvZ8kIz0d5sKOdhLOsj/EtMQo3yBQqYZC UDgyxS6XzBanOdSnFqKntX3vcUL+w5w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1u8drKwrWS9ibmQ9tTHxivAWpB7fAQ+KHCCD8x0k3ike71AoXwlhcAXHm0KHnVc1wEG0dgtOg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:2a9:b0:218:4bf5:a43 with SMTP id l9-20020a05600002a900b002184bf50a43mr9939003wry.154.1655297442781; Wed, 15 Jun 2022 05:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rltb ([2a01:e0a:3f3:fb50:d98:f501:96ca:7200]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bg9-20020a05600c3c8900b0039c45fc58c4sm2598405wmb.21.2022.06.15.05.50.41 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 15 Jun 2022 05:50:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#55969: Feature request: configure option to build Emacs without any documentation References: <835yld93w7.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5t0yrn.fsf@gmail.com> <87r140yuof.fsf@gmail.com> <875yl9e7zm.fsf@gmail.com> <83czfh12kp.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmjhghu2.fsf@localhost> <835yl910gp.fsf@gnu.org> <87wndndbhq.fsf@gmail.com> <83bkuzznws.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5mqmkh.fsf@localhost> <83k09kt1uk.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8t4klox.fsf@localhost> <83h74ntsix.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7yvmlyy.fsf@no.workgroup> <85yl3b0a3.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <877d5ihzq9.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 14:50:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: <877d5ihzq9.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 15 Jun 2022 14:34:38 +0200") Message-ID: <87edzqytsu.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55969 Cc: Glenn Morris , Gregor Zattler , 55969@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 14:34:38 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen said: Lars> Glenn Morris writes: >> You don't need a configure option; just use >> >> make -C src emacs >> >> (used to work; haven't checked recently) Lars> Yes, I don't think a configuration option here will give us Lars> something substantially easier to work with during bisection. Lars> However, it might be nice to have a target in GNUmakefile for doing Lars> bisection that would allow you to say Lars> git checkout ...; git clean -dfx; make without-manuals Lars> that would run autogen/configure as normal, but then "make -C src emacs" Lars> instead of "make all"? If this is for the purposes of historical bisection, then you'd need a time machine to install those changes. 'git bisect' can take a script to determine good/bad, so you'd just stick the appropriate commands in there. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Robert Pluim writes: > If this is for the purposes of historical bisection, then you'd need a > time machine to install those changes. Well, in the future you could bisect back to today using this new mechanism. 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Sure, but there are other usages possible than a formal "git bisect". -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 15 13:23:25 2022 Received: (at 55969) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2022 17:23:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39749 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o1Wjl-0001yB-M2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2022 13:23:25 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:37006) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o1Wjk-0001xu-Ba for 55969@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2022 13:23:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=fXP6biLQs7BkBHc0fPHG2LvdLgSrBJvY7gvxgzKJwU4=; b=ty7OACVXqKOrkxldP3i5M9cY1t Hrby66qSYXnU4JU1NorZdtgbq1gyKFpjKN9u20XuFC4OTjfzM/iszMa6hMeTb5tgnFMPUdNjYHcRE 4MqrDVALtiYKbVFhvnjOXSo1q+3QoOkx+3cvhvQJSv/k/j2uj+gntrb426mo49yqKpOc=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o1Wja-00059c-Tx; Wed, 15 Jun 2022 19:23:17 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Robert Pluim Subject: Re: bug#55969: Feature request: configure option to build Emacs without any documentation References: <87r140yuof.fsf@gmail.com> <875yl9e7zm.fsf@gmail.com> <83czfh12kp.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmjhghu2.fsf@localhost> <835yl910gp.fsf@gnu.org> <87wndndbhq.fsf@gmail.com> <83bkuzznws.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5mqmkh.fsf@localhost> <83k09kt1uk.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8t4klox.fsf@localhost> <83h74ntsix.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7yvmlyy.fsf@no.workgroup> <85yl3b0a3.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <877d5ihzq9.fsf@gnus.org> <87edzqytsu.fsf@gmail.com> <87pmj9g9sw.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAG1BMVEUEAgJ3dJSDfJqw kmPCubRbSD+Sb0osHRn////yXTMLAAAAAWJLR0QIht6VegAAAAd0SU1FB+YGDxEUA3Gp+GEAAAGT SURBVDjL1VPBbuQgDLW0lTgTTdpzUPYDVjA5TwOTc7Ot4borCrkidah/f01npqp6rrTqU5QQP/z8 bAHA94JsGNTQDZ26wOy6QQIv3GeMzs3QDapfu2FU8zi/E7MawG81EPYr9tX/lamTTeG+6yGaufMV Kz7qX2mI1jjrxiMiE8vtbyXV+KGGsTEBf3+24PwedNboqIEVj+O8Kjk+phzv8xKNTVE7wB0GFIJQ njbv/W6vjEs5Z+glBCFxRXzS0Whj+YkuRSBfQNwRCToZLmGtniyL5etkmLgx7nByS85O6+ShiEKM xFLOHW5sjtxAPCK0MJdHoidnlh824+uz9WkDakzNeasvblqEjftqlhwSsFOqPk8Jo9lvYLXmxFAQ aA1U9YSINac/oOOU4/RQCAgJ0Vha7ypS4Z54H4Yi2CgHMAhOoWabwXUbIaAFKhPlraHzL53XhXcW 7rGINgIeRQ2NKG8SLedBYNMiLgRN6yLFWRzhd9t3nZUo11X5fMDobKhliLODa87F6Zcc4+ZH/O+7 9B3xD0fhnNvs0itgAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIyLTA2LTE1VDE3OjIwOjAzKzAwOjAw yxf2RgAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMi0wNi0xNVQxNzoyMDowMyswMDowMLpKTvoAAAAA SUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Blaine L. Reininger's _Commissions 2 (2)_: "Waterphone" Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 19:23:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87pmj9g9sw.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 15 Jun 2022 18:39:59 +0200") Message-ID: <87h74lg7st.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Just to see what the impact might be -- with the following (on my AMD build machine), "make -j32 bootstrap" takes 1:32 and "make -j32 without-manuals" takes... 1:30. I.e., it's not really noticeable. (On machines with slower/fewer cores it would be more seconds, but the same percentage, I guess.) Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55969 Cc: Glenn Morris , Gregor Zattler , 55969@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Just to see what the impact might be -- with the following (on my AMD build machine), "make -j32 bootstrap" takes 1:32 and "make -j32 without-manuals" takes... 1:30. I.e., it's not really noticeable. (On machines with slower/fewer cores it would be more seconds, but the same percentage, I guess.) So I don't think this is worth doing -- I don't think many people would actually use this, especially since you can just say "make -C src lisp" yourself -- so I'm closing this bug report. diff --git a/GNUmakefile b/GNUmakefile index 8eb61dc0ad..9d68d08369 100644 --- a/GNUmakefile +++ b/GNUmakefile @@ -117,7 +117,11 @@ Makefile: bootstrap: Makefile $(MAKE) -f Makefile all -.PHONY: bootstrap default $(ORDINARY_GOALS) +without-manuals: Makefile + $(MAKE) -C src all + $(MAKE) -C lisp all + +.PHONY: bootstrap default $(ORDINARY_GOALS) without-manuals endif endif -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 15 13:23:34 2022 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2022 17:23:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39752 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o1Wjt-0001yV-Ub for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2022 13:23:34 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:37024) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o1Wjs-0001yJ-M5 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2022 13:23:33 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=8IvsghO9sjqWL/Khslnnvx66PWP9XqfdfH089vbig6U=; b=XZ51eRIXYtKeelaiVyjaa1tO3l rDlRtTKz5M7Kx0p2dZ09K6ed2B44U29k6qplS3iJsqJ7jybl5SywAE5Wor6nIYikH1F392pmWdqkU 4qhh3uEJ5c3reT8X/AoYRIbHvgS+QfrzVBw7il6sVOv+6Zfb3A1QSSKouxcxWKyh8BqM=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o1Wjl-00059o-0o for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2022 19:23:27 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 19:23:24 +0200 Message-Id: <87fsk5g7sj.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #55969 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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