From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:13:26 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#55940: macOS: displayed as keybinding for \\[customize] Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 12:03:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 55940 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 55940@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.165512172814654 (code B ref -1); Mon, 13 Jun 2022 12:03:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2022 12:02:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57400 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o0ilk-0003oI-25 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:02:08 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:55900) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o0ilh-0003o9-Qo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:02:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41122) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0ilb-0008UU-1G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:02:01 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f49.google.com ([209.85.216.49]:43738) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0ilV-0005xh-4y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:01:58 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f49.google.com with SMTP id y13-20020a17090a154d00b001eaaa3b9b8dso2841165pja.2 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 05:01:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2hAvMV3FFHiGOsNlp2+yNLbZJVRF47KbN0vb1yhRQa4=; b=ICldyvALlZmZpynxcITiWMXEm+W7tu7KMzlZY1p3QOMOokueQMaYt+i0LDum1VOfIF OpqyBl8+pCmQRxMlACMF3UBm4deneb5tB54Ah6KNwfM8DiUXrR9xAWWlOUYb76Gwyj1u sQtuKeNqui+ImxxAHSDOEiaTQ9obURaD4a3DZ3slQqyNESE/rbVdlQjmhIXk4XHzKUL8 yC1Th8P4MjAZ2SNcgp0z6xaS1EJLn3Hrdimz46wgNfYUyjH/vRKdIKvGjD1qkgTpwdDn RJV4d6t/sLzKb9FVn9Q+wJdYdLfsAxBYVmcwMWhKNy1XtsBf5K0pe2SHe/Vp1uGLDPnh UsPA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533Pcb8XEf/bFYHUF+btqvVb514OkBiAfys2t7sRllVyIojJOztm HaePxz1gnG87J725VGLpzF8JBs1xpyk3ioVFgfZtjR3fdtw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwd3kVbCuQ37QXuh/+5vVMjoji2kXoKxpUEeYc9AnTWWLdw4BH+wxqoLJHKNQZ2RoLz7whqYt8hW5YbBNieVno= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:cec2:b0:166:4e45:e1b2 with SMTP id d2-20020a170902cec200b001664e45e1b2mr53482660plg.73.1655121711130; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 05:01:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 14:01:40 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.216.49; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-f49.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) Severity: minor "" is displayed instead of "M-x customize" for the docstring command substitution \\[customize] on macOS (current master branch). For example: calendar-date-style is a variable defined in =E2=80=98calendar.el=E2=80= =99. [... snip ...] Setting this variable directly does not take effect (if the calendar package is already loaded). Rather, use either or the function =E2=80=98calendar-set-date-style=E2=80= =99. I have no idea how to press the key "" - I don't think there is such a button? There is also the keybinding "s-," which is slightly more useful (but not as useful as showing just "M-x customize", IMHO.) Please consider showing "s-," or "M-x customize" instead of "" here. Steps to reproduce: 0. emacs -Q 1. C-h v calendar-date-style RET In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin17.7.0, NS appkit-1561.61 Version 10.13.6 (Build 17G14042)) of 2022-06-01 built on SK-MacBook-Pro Repository revision: bb20d4f96d1cd309e569a801708987a8a5ebe9d8 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1561 System Description: Mac OS X 10.13.6 Configured using: 'configure --with-native-compilation' Configured features: ACL GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY KQUEUE NS PDUMPER PNG RSVG SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS WEBP XIM ZLIB Important settings: value of $LC_CTYPE: UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Help Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t isearch-fold-quotes-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID a876c9924ee7279763af8c9e2b55992b; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 12:30:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu References: Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 20:30:42 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Mon, 13 Jun 2022 14:01:40 +0200") Message-ID: <87k09kbv9p.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20280 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 970 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > Severity: minor > > "" is displayed instead of "M-x customize" for the > docstring command substitution \\[customize] on macOS (current master > branch). For example: > > calendar-date-style is a variable defined in =E2=80=98calendar.el=E2= =80=99. > [... snip ...] > Setting this variable directly does not take effect (if the > calendar package is already loaded). Rather, use either > or the function =E2=80=98calendar-set-date-style=E2= =80=99. > > I have no idea how to press the key "" - I don't think > there is such a button? There is also the keybinding "s-," which is > slightly more useful (but not as useful as showing just "M-x > customize", IMHO.) I think ns-show-prefs means the "Preferences" item in the "Emacs" menu. That is probably documented in the "Mac / GNUstep Events" node of the Emacs manual, but if it isn't, I can correct that. From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:13:26 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#55940: macOS: displayed as keybinding for \\[customize] Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 15:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 55940 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Po Lu Cc: 55940@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 55940-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B55940.16551328516759 (code B ref 55940); Mon, 13 Jun 2022 15:08:01 +0000 Received: (at 55940) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2022 15:07:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60124 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o0lf9-0001kq-C1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:07:31 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f182.google.com ([209.85.210.182]:34376) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o0lf8-0001kd-HD for 55940@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:07:30 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f182.google.com with SMTP id c196so6009762pfb.1 for <55940@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:07:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oWnU28C4FR1btkwK8tINV7qVMsxodEZ5zXywQ0f3cOM=; b=XBNReFChumVvkQpyJmrXZINuDyp4ui2SgLojO+8ZYynQoUOXYRdcg1eh58mWRW06f7 ftv5cbX4XtEzEQrbgawBTifNWbntFI5W/HiFnL3eWr04gZhKkJw/S0UTWeIIQGZ6CRwx JpF7xXvvgolkUS017bSxLvlVxkxh8RbLPGGhNk1XDncovinDwM4LZpHMxQ+AW5/7CIm0 VbYW9TJYkbXIoYaeOSEIZ7zV7slmO73M8daDfDkoO2MygbSrvmG2ts1NX4fc9o6VLzHa hWE0Ezj6BG+k7U3NqPGwUn9LSf6FB+mH8BbmlEZQJ84OIaikoPXc09EWb1Kyr5L/2wxN BNMA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532oxErATTHQuLKhlhrxtWDjMR7CoNPh5jFANf9+SIdWovp05K5M 7manaxRDU+eDx8efDw0yhcBN7ajTGGE6LjvcBDU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1u38vkIF6RB2mj0VW01Guz/vWkmJXTqV/gfo/SaVuxXYITgpkvClHQkcWYLurmTGBFmIWHlPzJ9pwz5cDlMaVc= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:9d04:0:b0:51c:260:108e with SMTP id k4-20020aa79d04000000b0051c0260108emr75368pfp.4.1655132844853; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:07:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87k09kbv9p.fsf@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <87k09kbv9p.fsf@yahoo.com> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 17:07:13 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Po Lu writes: > I think ns-show-prefs means the "Preferences" item in the "Emacs" menu. > That is probably documented in the "Mac / GNUstep Events" node of the > Emacs manual, but if it isn't, I can correct that. Aha, thanks. I can't find it in '(emacs) Mac / GNUstep Events' but I might be missing something. (Also: The other events there seem to be missing index entries; maybe we would want to add such entries.) Adding this event to the manual is useful, but I still think that, for the purposes of command substitution, it would be better to display an actual keybinding rather than an event. From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:13:26 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#55940: macOS: displayed as keybinding for \\[customize] Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 15:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 55940 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 55940@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 55940-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B55940.16551328556769 (code B ref 55940); Mon, 13 Jun 2022 15:08:02 +0000 Received: (at 55940) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2022 15:07:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60126 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o0lfC-0001l7-P1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:07:35 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:39554) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o0lf5-0001kX-Vb for 55940@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:07:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=d/WsZOYpSP+MeFY89YGePFzuk9v4frkabnbu4K+hw0U=; b=qovF0Q7tVF0yXpID3/lbYlCnRc 92UNRqN1Pe+88yY7+1JXDY0TSXFW30pIRzw76eQ+zP/Rx9QsLmVZQ41wZb+AJu3GWxJXoQxWMM2vx MTLCz/7FPI5NbR9D3pjhz+PbtqEOhSU0yXyPAJrejydMCt8RR8kY7rjhCfwmIyH1aack=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o0lex-0001Ps-6I; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 17:07:21 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: X-Now-Playing: Kelly Lee Owens's _Inner Song_: "Night" Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 17:07:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Mon, 13 Jun 2022 14:01:40 +0200") Message-ID: <87mtegr49m.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > I have no idea how to press the key "" - I don't think > there is such a button? There is also the keybinding "s-," which is > slightly more useful (but not as useful as showing just [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: > I have no idea how to press the key "" - I don't think > there is such a button? There is also the keybinding "s-," which is > slightly more useful (but not as useful as showing just "M-x > customize", IMHO.) That is pretty obscure. Do we have some mechanism for making `substitute-command-keys' avoid such "keys"? I vaguely remember a similar problem with a different event like this showing up in doc strings... On the other hand, as Po says -- "" is an actual key binding in NS builds, apparently? So... Uhm... > Please consider showing "s-," or "M-x customize" instead of > "" here. > > Steps to reproduce: > 0. emacs -Q > 1. C-h v calendar-date-style RET I see that the \\=`...' syntax doesn't allow saying \\=`M-x foo' (it has to be a valid key stroke). I think it would make sense to allow explicit M-x commands like this, so I've added this to Emacs 29. But I've not amended the calendar-date-style doc string, because this should be fixed in a more general way for `M-x customize', which I'm sure is in a whole bunch of doc strings. I'm not sure what the solution here would be, though. It would be easy enough to add a block-list mechanism for `substitute-command-keys', but it seems a bit hacky. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:13:26 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#55940: macOS: displayed as keybinding for \\[customize] Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 15:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 55940 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 55940@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 55940-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B55940.16551333897789 (code B ref 55940); Mon, 13 Jun 2022 15:17:02 +0000 Received: (at 55940) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2022 15:16:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60150 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o0lno-00021Z-Oj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:16:28 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f42.google.com ([209.85.216.42]:51822) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o0lnl-00021L-PH for 55940@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:16:26 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f42.google.com with SMTP id cx11so5915414pjb.1 for <55940@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:16:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Hb97xBCtTW3+tx3Wwu+dpABAmAM9i46bImQr1bIspNQ=; b=sgabYZnZm7tapG1LktW3LxJ95K3sM+5V+dv4kGGOMMZ35S+hmcqopPw1BUDg83d2Z9 4jpfaAlQBCKWQEBm6ukUvxoFgOz02v+xsBhMMJg/VU6vFsR+FM20klTzmXPbHlCMSALh 7QvfjRy0KASxMGGMyU8VmsH6q3spj/kZMYOpGEPRx0lxoC2+ZPeSnkO1XA79ZhjNqX5R bb/VT8gLHyDRJwSkcBzq4WbSRYajFLsBDdeR9BXHtvXODlJsr6JcCP7AYohlTun4dyQb p4pXyHD1lk4kW7tGrAuZnG/2fCfIOCEQzGMhuy/e2vUHYQBT8KMfsoag6aAudzmOdFQd I+wA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531xNU+pqg3K6nU9Fp1AlpjOmSM3fM+J9I7/x/GzlU9e7oHgnWK0 iHW4Iqso82LYffpH2vuTSSLAKtVYRVZgL6/+0g8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxsoJ84XNa0/0VeOa2zXExAgKFzKBZbE8sKfxmzdc14K5cyiusCivOjqIYZP+0S+6ZM/WhHpx+w5VB2yd65n+I= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:4f8a:b0:1e8:9018:dec9 with SMTP id qe10-20020a17090b4f8a00b001e89018dec9mr16184165pjb.89.1655133379944; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:16:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87mtegr49m.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87mtegr49m.fsf@gnus.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 17:16:08 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > It would be easy enough to add a block-list > mechanism for `substitute-command-keys', but it seems a bit hacky. Does it make sense to just never show any such events with \\[foo] substitutions? I think we want "real" keybindings, not events.here. If only event "keys" are available, I think we should better display "M-x foo" instead. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > Does it make sense to just never show any such events with \\[foo] > substitutions? I think we want "real" keybindings, not events.here. > If only event "keys" are available, I think we should bette [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > Does it make sense to just never show any such events with \\[foo] > substitutions? I think we want "real" keybindings, not events.here. > If only event "keys" are available, I think we should better display > "M-x foo" instead. Ah, yes -- I didn't notice that this was one of those event thingies. I thought we already filtered those out somewhere? I'm pretty sure we had a similar thing with some other events that was fixed, but I'm blanking on that now. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d946fbae3580036583dc0c8cd23311c2; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 06:07:36 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu References: <87k09kbv9p.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:07:28 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Mon, 13 Jun 2022 17:07:13 +0200") Message-ID: <87o7yvaicf.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20280 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 518 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > Aha, thanks. I can't find it in '(emacs) Mac / GNUstep Events' but I > might be missing something. (Also: The other events there seem to be > missing index entries; maybe we would want to add such entries.) Done. > Adding this event to the manual is useful, but I still think that, for > the purposes of command substitution, it would be better to display an > actual keybinding rather than an event. I have no opinion towards that, since I don't actually use Mac OS. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 75a46145c0d1832ffe9c750ecec846a3; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:02:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Daniel =?UTF-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn?= References: <87k09kbv9p.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o7yvaicf.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:02:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87o7yvaicf.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:07:28 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20280 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 1277 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) Po Lu writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> Aha, thanks. I can't find it in '(emacs) Mac / GNUstep Events' but I >> might be missing something. (Also: The other events there seem to be >> missing index entries; maybe we would want to add such entries.) > > Done. > >> Adding this event to the manual is useful, but I still think that, for >> the purposes of command substitution, it would be better to display an >> actual keybinding rather than an event. > > I have no opinion towards that, since I don't actually use Mac OS. I think it's fine to only update the documentation. We can expand the text a bit and say that is usually sent by the OS when Emacs is the front process and the user presses `Cmd-,' (comma). This is officially documented, at least for macOS (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236). Similarly, we already say that the fonts panel event is sent with `Cmd-t`. If we had common events indexed in the manuals, users could ask Emacs about any of them with C-h S, for example. Improving the self-documenting features in Emacs is an alternative that I like more compared to changing the displayed text depending on if there's only events and no keybindings bound to a function, for example. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 1db1b26b7959dd472fa880dd6ba04b74; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:46:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu References: <87k09kbv9p.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o7yvaicf.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 17:46:36 +0800 In-Reply-To: ("Daniel =?UTF-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn?="'s message of "Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:02:11 +0200") Message-ID: <877d5ja877.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20280 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 953 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Daniel Mart=C3=ADn writes: > I think it's fine to only update the documentation. We can expand the > text a bit and say that is usually sent by the OS when > Emacs is the front process and the user presses `Cmd-,' (comma). This > is officially documented, at least for macOS > (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236). I did not know that, I only knew about the "Preferences" menu item. I guess it should be mentioned in the documentation. > Similarly, we already say that the fonts panel event is sent with > `Cmd-t`. It is? > If we had common events indexed in the manuals, users could ask Emacs > about any of them with C-h S, for example. Improving the > self-documenting features in Emacs is an alternative that I like more > compared to changing the displayed text depending on if there's only > events and no keybindings bound to a function, for example. I already indexed the NS-specific events. From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:13:26 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#55940: macOS: displayed as keybinding for \\[customize] Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 10:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 55940 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Po Lu Cc: 55940@debbugs.gnu.org, Daniel =?UTF-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn?= Received: via spool by 55940-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B55940.165520431317963 (code B ref 55940); Tue, 14 Jun 2022 10:59:02 +0000 Received: (at 55940) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jun 2022 10:58:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33042 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o14Fk-0004ff-Vk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 06:58:33 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f46.google.com ([209.85.216.46]:33052) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o14Ff-0004fO-RI for 55940@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 06:58:31 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f46.google.com with SMTP id hv24-20020a17090ae41800b001e33eebdb5dso1312885pjb.0 for <55940@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 03:58:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tp9/CL5pnpvvppFPcfwMKovxuUZUF+OgxwDIXrf3CEI=; b=FWkVu8U1JecnZPkqVJmBhBVyeDr2ojTFCqXR/BhrQkuvATWTacPzW+QAi8U57WAbv5 malfCG9rFthRfnZnbX3JGi7G01dpAARvNm4oY7TN8vaj/+dkO+n+mPpvboFIZOt23tpW zObrub+ibRrFprIA3lT8pmowZG/7KXBhgHKbO1Zce2MPy+PmtXku4Klzj685yYdamiIS gaswRVOp1GBnyAhQjsC9ylUIkStvQbRCsi5W6eCldXhcsMESF6jTzZBzuaaqVRhsBK/A e/+YvCh/3H5IMi2If9nWi4YK48pTXtcP+vusELU83Q5xvjs/8jCbsMNOy0rk57MqsFHn qEkw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora81fJy7FBgS1SX2M5AtPAZn8W7Ryk1JGLc2cq1X18+LyFwx3ZIz +DhlB4ZXMy2W3zBMZ/T6DxY/GrCcavBFEz01/tU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1sMVG7V+v+LNv6CuRaGj8J5EMRmwdOCndO1ryy/uXubd/kts58TI/4EVVSWVQzjro6yArxVR1AcA863rhjZ6CA= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:4d8b:b0:1e3:31df:c98a with SMTP id oj11-20020a17090b4d8b00b001e331dfc98amr3936176pjb.175.1655204301754; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 03:58:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87k09kbv9p.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o7yvaicf.fsf@yahoo.com> <877d5ja877.fsf@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <877d5ja877.fsf@yahoo.com> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 12:58:16 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Po Lu writes: > Daniel Mart=C3=ADn writes: > > > I think it's fine to only update the documentation. We can expand the > > text a bit and say that is usually sent by the OS when > > Emacs is the front process and the user presses `Cmd-,' (comma). This > > is officially documented, at least for macOS > > (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236). > > I did not know that, I only knew about the "Preferences" menu item. I > guess it should be mentioned in the documentation. On my macOS 10.13 machine, `Cmd-,` translates to `s-,' using emacs -Q. > > Similarly, we already say that the fonts panel event is sent with > > `Cmd-t`. > > It is? Here, it translates to `s-t'. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 54608a127a35b0c0a7f6ac889f7f4379; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:20:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Daniel =?UTF-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn?= References: <87k09kbv9p.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o7yvaicf.fsf@yahoo.com> <877d5ja877.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 13:20:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: <877d5ja877.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu via's message of "Tue, 14 Jun 2022 17:46:36 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20280 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 849 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" writes: > Daniel Mart=C3=ADn writes: > >> I think it's fine to only update the documentation. We can expand the >> text a bit and say that is usually sent by the OS when >> Emacs is the front process and the user presses `Cmd-,' (comma). This >> is officially documented, at least for macOS >> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236). > > I did not know that, I only knew about the "Preferences" menu item. I > guess it should be mentioned in the documentation. > >> Similarly, we already say that the fonts panel event is sent with >> `Cmd-t`. > > It is? Yes, that is true for document apps on macOS (and Emacs is one of them). You can read the documentation at https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:13:26 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#55940: macOS: displayed as keybinding for \\[customize] Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 12:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 55940 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 55940@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 55940-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B55940.1655208337647 (code B ref 55940); Tue, 14 Jun 2022 12:06:01 +0000 Received: (at 55940) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jun 2022 12:05:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33268 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o15If-0000AM-5N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:05:37 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:48856) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o15Id-0000A0-B0 for 55940@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:05:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=sSRHf29BqhsThoUO9KcnKlaxwt0T139/q2vYHGhxalA=; b=LgElLiBnze4OwsYlzu4NCz5RgB 0TICRBY1VtOiNBk6ONr/Ltg7vwitDIVorL6im/XmJM4wy7W5/Ve4TqoENtU7BLHH+UGmzsIotA8h8 K0DmClhrz215qUTg13CnSQzpyWLPmfhzvbpB5G7xIOZihB3XNitKcNJLD4TkTNx+RITc=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o15IU-0005xI-QI; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:05:29 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87mtegr49m.fsf@gnus.org> <87bkuwr3nh.fsf@gnus.org> X-Now-Playing: Coil's _Heartworms_: "Heartworms" Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:05:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87bkuwr3nh.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 13 Jun 2022 17:20:34 +0200") Message-ID: <87ilp3o3ga.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Ah, yes -- I didn't notice that this was one of those event thingies. I > thought we already filtered those out somewhere? I'm pretty sure we had > a similar thing with some other events that was fi [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Ah, yes -- I didn't notice that this was one of those event thingies. I > thought we already filtered those out somewhere? I'm pretty sure we had > a similar thing with some other events that was fixed, but I'm blanking > on that now. Anybody remember? I think I'm just misremembering here. `where-is-internal' should never return these "synthetic" events (that are only created to have a way to have Emacs process them in the normal event loop). So perhaps we should just mark these symbols with a special property to make `where-is-internal' ignore them? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:13:26 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#55940: macOS: displayed as keybinding for \\[customize] Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 22:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 55940 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 55940@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 55940-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B55940.165550563521289 (code B ref 55940); Fri, 17 Jun 2022 22:41:01 +0000 Received: (at 55940) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jun 2022 22:40:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47179 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o2Kdn-0005XI-8b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 18:40:35 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f174.google.com ([209.85.214.174]:43919) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o2Kdj-0005Wy-DD for 55940@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 18:40:33 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f174.google.com with SMTP id r1so4977115plo.10 for <55940@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 15:40:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ihBU5iwE9DpiDZ4lHhnL8xt07WT2zwRSn3kbDSOqWEw=; b=y8gObO1M6rQgfLHJ7KRllNes5nEVnzLs70eHitWpvJv9RjXTW4Ru3rpniIgpWawN+D 5u+BVZkPtrh6rKraIfT4bg690lkszRX/2bfBR/racg0UKNcpXxMSYD/qjhcoCff3qK0s KArXHuy1g0I8oYWNfL3O6AmXfAXbay9eyPufRYOtZW0TwkPqPnt2qUZ3gqnJlT/eRbpY jMLkQnYqR3orUiCfeecFCozW68oRuIV43rMd+3SDP/u5fsuCApIUbyYQLf8ZSmE9oN5v ARYsIMB3FsA6fHYWe9TULO+TPjSD8gKSHoV5L3wdgp2CN4QpcIysovIg0aL8sKvW8WcK QxBg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora/6WwL8oPNX/u8pZdihJLTnaXfy3B5FFAjxCINuSbnhS5jvNwj+ /rntfKgaITUWoX0Qys5TQiu+eprt40AReB92HZk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1uux1+k6AzrHwsFcM4Xa65pGT9H6QamPxkq0v5Rstxgb6f1UpH0bZTOgFfcbcRXy63E2LdyUb8upbWp9tObO9g= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:e8d7:b0:168:e2da:893c with SMTP id v23-20020a170902e8d700b00168e2da893cmr12120133plg.152.1655505625615; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 15:40:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87mtegr49m.fsf@gnus.org> <87bkuwr3nh.fsf@gnus.org> <87ilp3o3ga.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87ilp3o3ga.fsf@gnus.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2022 00:40:14 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > `where-is-internal' should never return these "synthetic" events (that > are only created to have a way to have Emacs process them in the normal > event loop). So perhaps we should just mark these symbols with a > special property to make `where-is-internal' ignore them? Sounds good to me. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: >> `where-is-internal' should never return these "synthetic" events (that >> are only created to have a way to have Emacs process them in the normal >> event loop). So perhaps we should just mark thes [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: >> `where-is-internal' should never return these "synthetic" events (that >> are only created to have a way to have Emacs process them in the normal >> event loop). So perhaps we should just mark these symbols with a >> special property to make `where-is-internal' ignore them? > > Sounds good to me. These "keys" are added in places like: (when (featurep 'ns) (setq system-key-alist (list ;; These are special "keys" used to pass events from C to lisp. (cons 1 'ns-power-off) (cons 2 'ns-open-file) (cons 3 'ns-open-temp-file) (cons 4 'ns-drag-file) (cons 5 'ns-drag-color) (cons 6 'ns-drag-text) (cons 8 'ns-open-file-line) ;;; (cons 9 'ns-insert-working-text) ;;; (cons 10 'ns-delete-working-text) (cons 11 'ns-spi-service-call) (cons 12 'ns-new-frame) (cons 13 'ns-toggle-toolbar) (cons 14 'ns-show-prefs) )))) Adding a symbol property like `non-key-event' to these symbols would be easy enough, but perhaps we should have a bit of infrastructure to make this easier to do. Uhm... Just adding a little helper function here does the trick, I think. 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Thanks, works great here.