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[PATCH] Add support for the Lepcha script

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From: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh
 <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: [PATCH] Add support for the Lepcha script
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 19:59:51 +0530

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The Lepcha script is added to Emacs this time.
I have also adjusted some whitespace in the newly added Kharoshthi language
environment.

Please review the patch
Thank You.

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[0001-Add-support-for-the-Lepcha-script.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

Message #10 received at 55869-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh
 <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 55869-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55869: [PATCH] Add support for the Lepcha script
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 12:17:27 +0300

> From: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh
>  <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 19:59:51 +0530
> 
> The Lepcha script is added to Emacs this time.
> I have also adjusted some whitespace in the newly added Kharoshthi language environment.

Thanks, I installed this.

> +Lepcha (ᰛᰩᰵ)	ᰂᰦᰕᰥᰬ

Can you tell where did you take this name of the script (or is it the
language)?  Both Wikipedia and the Omniglot pages show names that look
differently and are written with different codepoints.

Message #13 received at 55869-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh
 <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 55869-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55869: [PATCH] Add support for the Lepcha script
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 15:01:44 +0530

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>Thanks, I installed this.

great, thank you!

>> +Lepcha (ᰛᰩᰵ) ᰂᰦᰕᰥᰬ

>Can you tell where did you take this name of the script (or is it >the language)?
Both Wikipedia and the Omniglot pages show >names that look differently and
are written with different >codepoints.

I copied the name from the infobox in the Wikipedia page for the Lepcha
script (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepcha_script) it says "Rong" which
is one of the native name of the script, one other name is "Rong Ring"
which is written in the image of the Wikipedia infobox and also in the
omniglot website (https://omniglot.com/writing/lepcha.htm) both are correct.
(Atleast according to these websites)

Also if you have some trouble deciphering what a script says try using this
nice website: aksharamukha.appspot.com/ for transliteration to a script
familiar to you.
I also plan to implement a functionality like this in Emacs, though that
will take some time.

शनि, 11 जून 2022, 2:47 pm को Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> ने लिखा:

> > From: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh
> >  <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
> > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 19:59:51 +0530
> >
> > The Lepcha script is added to Emacs this time.
> > I have also adjusted some whitespace in the newly added Kharoshthi
> language environment.
>
> Thanks, I installed this.
>
> > +Lepcha (ᰛᰩᰵ) ᰂᰦᰕᰥᰬ
>
> Can you tell where did you take this name of the script (or is it the
> language)?  Both Wikipedia and the Omniglot pages show names that look
> differently and are written with different codepoints.
>

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Message #16 received at 55869 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh
 <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 55869 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55869: [PATCH] Add support for the Lepcha script
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 13:00:23 +0300

> From: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 15:01:44 +0530
> Cc: 55869-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> >Can you tell where did you take this name of the script (or is it >the language)?  Both Wikipedia and the
> Omniglot pages show >names that look differently and are written with different >codepoints.
> 
> I copied the name from the infobox in the Wikipedia page for the Lepcha script
> (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepcha_script) it says "Rong" which is one of the native name of the script,
> one other name is "Rong Ring"  which is written in the image of the Wikipedia infobox and also in the
> omniglot website (https://omniglot.com/writing/lepcha.htm) both are correct.
> (Atleast according to these websites)

The question is: what should we use?  Maybe using what is actually
shown (as opposed to transliterated) is better?

Message #19 received at 55869 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh
 <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 55869 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55869: [PATCH] Add support for the Lepcha script
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 16:04:43 +0530

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I am sorry, I do not understand the question, I have not used a
transliterated name for the Lepcha script.

If you are asking whether to use ᰛᰩᰵ (Róng) or ᰛᰩᰵᰛᰧᰵᰶ (Róng-ríng), I think
both are fine.

Looking around for videos of native speakers I found these:
1. https://youtu.be/syNb4rXDRjI?t=26 Here at 26 sec, Mr. PT Lepcha uses
"Rong Mingjot" for "Rong Alphabet" (atleast AFAICT, because I could not
find "Mingjot" in a dictionary (
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Dictionary_of_the_Lepcha-language_%28IA_cu31924023194198%29.pdf
))

2. https://youtu.be/fHlvOhyN7Tg?t=22 Here again at 22 sec, "Rong Mingjot"
is used.

3. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ERmC9G1FlNk Here Eliyas uses both Róng
(in native script) and Róng-ríng (in lepcha script).

The omniglot website also describes other name for this script:

> The Lepcha script is known as ᰀᰂ (kakha - the first two letters), ᰇᰨᰕᰧᰵᰶ
> (chomíng - "written letters") or ᰕᰧᰵᰶᰙᰳ (míngzât - "treasure of letters").
>

शनि, 11 जून 2022, 3:30 pm को Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> ने लिखा:

> > From: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
> > Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 15:01:44 +0530
> > Cc: 55869-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > >Can you tell where did you take this name of the script (or is it >the
> language)?  Both Wikipedia and the
> > Omniglot pages show >names that look differently and are written with
> different >codepoints.
> >
> > I copied the name from the infobox in the Wikipedia page for the Lepcha
> script
> > (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepcha_script) it says "Rong" which is
> one of the native name of the script,
> > one other name is "Rong Ring"  which is written in the image of the
> Wikipedia infobox and also in the
> > omniglot website (https://omniglot.com/writing/lepcha.htm) both are
> correct.
> > (Atleast according to these websites)
>
> The question is: what should we use?  Maybe using what is actually
> shown (as opposed to transliterated) is better?
>

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Message #22 received at 55869 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh
 <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 55869 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55869: [PATCH] Add support for the Lepcha script
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 13:50:19 +0300

> From: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 16:04:43 +0530
> Cc: 55869 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> I am sorry, I do not understand the question, I have not used a transliterated name for the Lepcha script.
> 
> If you are asking whether to use ᰛᰩᰵ (Róng) or ᰛᰩᰵᰛᰧᰵᰶ (Róng-ríng), I think both are fine.

Yes, that is my question.  I understand that both are probably fine,
but I'm asking whether we should use what appears on two widely-used
sites.  IOW, why prefer the version that doesn't appear there, if both
versions are equally correct?

> The omniglot website also describes other name for this script:
> 
>  The Lepcha script is known as ᰀᰂ (kakha - the first two letters), ᰇᰨᰕᰧᰵᰶ (chomíng - "written
>  letters") or ᰕᰧᰵᰶᰙᰳ (míngzât - "treasure of letters"). 

Yes, but Wikipedia doesn't, so I think Róng-ríng wins here.

Message #25 received at 55869 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh
 <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 55869 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55869: [PATCH] Add support for the Lepcha script
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 16:55:47 +0530

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Here is the new patch.
I have also improved the Lepcha composition rules.

On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 4:20 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:

> > From: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
> > Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 16:04:43 +0530
> > Cc: 55869 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > I am sorry, I do not understand the question, I have not used a
> transliterated name for the Lepcha script.
> >
> > If you are asking whether to use ᰛᰩᰵ (Róng) or ᰛᰩᰵᰛᰧᰵᰶ (Róng-ríng), I
> think both are fine.
>
> Yes, that is my question.  I understand that both are probably fine,
> but I'm asking whether we should use what appears on two widely-used
> sites.  IOW, why prefer the version that doesn't appear there, if both
> versions are equally correct?
>
> > The omniglot website also describes other name for this script:
> >
> >  The Lepcha script is known as ᰀᰂ (kakha - the first two letters),
> ᰇᰨᰕᰧᰵᰶ (chomíng - "written
> >  letters") or ᰕᰧᰵᰶᰙᰳ (míngzât - "treasure of letters").
>
> Yes, but Wikipedia doesn't, so I think Róng-ríng wins here.
>

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[0001-Improve-Lepcha-composition-rules-and-rename-its-nati.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

Message #28 received at 55869 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh
 <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 55869 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55869: [PATCH] Add support for the Lepcha script
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 16:18:50 +0300

> From: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 16:55:47 +0530
> Cc: 55869 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> Here is the new patch.
> I have also improved the Lepcha composition rules.

Thanks, installed.

Message #31 received at 55869 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh
 <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 55869 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55869: [PATCH] Add support for the Lepcha script
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 18:49:41 +0530

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Thank you!

शनि, 11 जून 2022, 6:49 pm को Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> ने लिखा:

> > From: समीर सिंह Sameer Singh <lumarzeli30 <at> gmail.com>
> > Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 16:55:47 +0530
> > Cc: 55869 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > Here is the new patch.
> > I have also improved the Lepcha composition rules.
>
> Thanks, installed.
>

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