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Wishlist: Customize should have a way to edit keymaps

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From: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor mode keymap
Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 15:07:23 +0100

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How about if the KEYMAP argument (or the :keymap slot) of
`define-minor-mode', if given, planted a `defcustom' form for the
keymap, thus automagically making each minor mode keymap a
customization option?

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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
Cc: 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Sat, 07 May 2022 17:34:30 +0200

Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com> writes:

> How about if the KEYMAP argument (or the :keymap slot) of
> `define-minor-mode', if given, planted a `defcustom' form for the
> keymap, thus automagically making each minor mode keymap a
> customization option?

We don't use defcustoms for other mode maps, so I'm not sure why we
should for the ones tied to `define-minor-mode'?  Am I missing
something?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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From: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 17:49:35 +0100

If nobody sees any benefit from the idea, I imagine the best thing is
to just close this.

On Sat, 7 May 2022 at 16:34, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:
>
> Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com> writes:
>
> > How about if the KEYMAP argument (or the :keymap slot) of
> > `define-minor-mode', if given, planted a `defcustom' form for the
> > keymap, thus automagically making each minor mode keymap a
> > customization option?
>
> We don't use defcustoms for other mode maps, so I'm not sure why we
> should for the ones tied to `define-minor-mode'?  Am I missing
> something?
>
> --
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>    bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #16 received at 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
Cc: 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Sun, 08 May 2022 13:46:48 +0200

Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com> writes:

> If nobody sees any benefit from the idea, I imagine the best thing is
> to just close this.

I just don't understand the request -- we don't have a Customize
interface for altering keymaps anyway.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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From: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 14:47:57 +0100

Not a built-in one, no, but it is not difficult to construct a composite
defcustom.  There are plenty of sequence types and a keybinding type to compose
with.

Perhaps Emacs *should* have a standard built-in keymap defcustom type, but that
would be the subject for a separate RFE.

What I am proposing is something along the lines of this: when a mode (major or
minor, it's strictly irrelevant) declares a keymap, part of the processing of
the expansion of the mode definition should include a defcustom enabling the
user to customize that keymap using the Customize UI, rather than (only) by
writing elisp code.  In other words, where foo-mode-map is currently implemented
(I assume) using a defvar, that should change to a defcustom.  That's really all
I'm suggesting: change the defvar (or whatever) to a defcustom.

On Sun, 8 May 2022 at 12:46, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:
>
> Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com> writes:
>
> > If nobody sees any benefit from the idea, I imagine the best thing is
> > to just close this.
>
> I just don't understand the request -- we don't have a Customize
> interface for altering keymaps anyway.
>
> --
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>    bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #22 received at 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
Cc: 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 11:34:07 +0200

Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com> writes:

> What I am proposing is something along the lines of this: when a mode
> (major or minor, it's strictly irrelevant) declares a keymap, part of
> the processing of the expansion of the mode definition should include
> a defcustom enabling the user to customize that keymap using the
> Customize UI, rather than (only) by writing elisp code.  In other
> words, where foo-mode-map is currently implemented (I assume) using a
> defvar, that should change to a defcustom.  That's really all I'm
> suggesting: change the defvar (or whatever) to a defcustom.

Emacs doesn't have a Customize UI to alter keymaps, so changing defvars
to defcustom isn't currently useful (because there's no :type that
could be used other than `sexp').

It would be possible to create such an UI, of course, but it would work
quite differently than all other Customize widgets.  I don't think
anybody wants to have the entire definitions of keymaps in their .emacs
files -- they want to add a keystroke or remove a keystroke or two, and
that's it.  (And, besides, they want to get new keystrokes that are
added to the maps.)

But it'd be nice to have; sure.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #29 received at 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 10:52:58 +0100

How about ":type '(alist :key-type key-sequence :value-type function)"?

On Mon, 9 May 2022 at 10:34, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:
>
> Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com> writes:
>
> > What I am proposing is something along the lines of this: when a mode
> > (major or minor, it's strictly irrelevant) declares a keymap, part of
> > the processing of the expansion of the mode definition should include
> > a defcustom enabling the user to customize that keymap using the
> > Customize UI, rather than (only) by writing elisp code.  In other
> > words, where foo-mode-map is currently implemented (I assume) using a
> > defvar, that should change to a defcustom.  That's really all I'm
> > suggesting: change the defvar (or whatever) to a defcustom.
>
> Emacs doesn't have a Customize UI to alter keymaps, so changing defvars
> to defcustom isn't currently useful (because there's no :type that
> could be used other than `sexp').
>
> It would be possible to create such an UI, of course, but it would work
> quite differently than all other Customize widgets.  I don't think
> anybody wants to have the entire definitions of keymaps in their .emacs
> files -- they want to add a keystroke or remove a keystroke or two, and
> that's it.  (And, besides, they want to get new keystrokes that are
> added to the maps.)
>
> But it'd be nice to have; sure.
>
> --
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>    bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #32 received at 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
Cc: 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 11:54:36 +0200

Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com> writes:

> How about ":type '(alist :key-type key-sequence :value-type function)"?

Like I said, that wouldn't be very useful, because people don't want the
entire keymap in their .emacs files anyway.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #35 received at 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 10:55:06 +0100

On Mon, 9 May 2022 at 10:34, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:
>
> (And, besides, they want to get new keystrokes that are
> added to the maps.)

Customize does support insertion of new elements in its composite
types, of course.

Message #38 received at 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 11:02:20 +0100

On Mon, 9 May 2022 at 10:54, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:
>
> Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com> writes:
>
> > How about ":type '(alist :key-type key-sequence :value-type function)"?
>
> Like I said, that wouldn't be very useful, because people don't want the
> entire keymap in their .emacs files anyway.

Isn't that exactly the right place for declarative personal preferences?

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From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
To: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 15:39:01 +0200

>>>>> On Mon, 9 May 2022 11:02:20 +0100, Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com> said:

    Phil> On Mon, 9 May 2022 at 10:54, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:
    >> 
    >> Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com> writes:
    >> 
    >> > How about ":type '(alist :key-type key-sequence :value-type function)"?
    >> 
    >> Like I said, that wouldn't be very useful, because people don't want the
    >> entire keymap in their .emacs files anyway.

    Phil> Isn't that exactly the right place for declarative personal preferences?

Yes, but if a keymap were a defcustom, then the whole keymap would be
in your .emacs, and you would not receive any updates if the keymap
definition changed, since that affects the *default* defcustom value.

Now if you wanted to define a defcustom type for changing bindings in an
existing keymap, thatʼs a different proposition (and we already have
define-key, so Iʼm not so sure of the utility).

Robert
-- 

Message #44 received at 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 16:04:26 +0100

On Mon, 9 May 2022 at 14:39, Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Mon, 9 May 2022 11:02:20 +0100, Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com> said:
>
>     Phil> Isn't that exactly the right place for declarative personal preferences?
>
> Yes, but if a keymap were a defcustom, then the whole keymap would be
> in your .emacs, and you would not receive any updates if the keymap
> definition changed, since that affects the *default* defcustom value.

True that, and I had not thought of it, but now that I have, I still
don't see it as necessarily confounding. Doesn't the same objection
(if it is one) apply to *every* defcustom? Is that not the risk that
the user takes when they change any custom option, and the risk that
every dev takes when they introduce a defcustom?

> Now if you wanted to define a defcustom type for changing bindings in an
> existing keymap, thatʼs a different proposition (and we already have
> define-key, so Iʼm not so sure of the utility).

That is exactly what I (think I) want. The utility is admittedly
marginal but perhaps not trivial. It's the difference between a
declarative approach, which I take to be intrinsically more accessible
and intuitive, especially to non-programmers, versus an imperative
one. It's essentially the case for custom options in general.

I suppose my maximalist claim would be that mode-defined keymaps are
self-evidently customize options that have somehow historically been
accidentally overlooked. I'm not entirely convinced myself, though.
Maybe we should just let it sit for a while. There's obviously
something about it that doesn't *feel* right to people with deeper
insight than I have.

Message #47 received at 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 17:03:07 +0100

So after a week, can I get a clear yes or no on this? Either is fine.

On Mon, 9 May 2022 at 16:04, Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 9 May 2022 at 14:39, Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>> On Mon, 9 May 2022 11:02:20 +0100, Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com> said:
> >
> >     Phil> Isn't that exactly the right place for declarative personal preferences?
> >
> > Yes, but if a keymap were a defcustom, then the whole keymap would be
> > in your .emacs, and you would not receive any updates if the keymap
> > definition changed, since that affects the *default* defcustom value.
>
> True that, and I had not thought of it, but now that I have, I still
> don't see it as necessarily confounding. Doesn't the same objection
> (if it is one) apply to *every* defcustom? Is that not the risk that
> the user takes when they change any custom option, and the risk that
> every dev takes when they introduce a defcustom?
>
> > Now if you wanted to define a defcustom type for changing bindings in an
> > existing keymap, thatʼs a different proposition (and we already have
> > define-key, so Iʼm not so sure of the utility).
>
> That is exactly what I (think I) want. The utility is admittedly
> marginal but perhaps not trivial. It's the difference between a
> declarative approach, which I take to be intrinsically more accessible
> and intuitive, especially to non-programmers, versus an imperative
> one. It's essentially the case for custom options in general.
>
> I suppose my maximalist claim would be that mode-defined keymaps are
> self-evidently customize options that have somehow historically been
> accidentally overlooked. I'm not entirely convinced myself, though.
> Maybe we should just let it sit for a while. There's obviously
> something about it that doesn't *feel* right to people with deeper
> insight than I have.

Message #50 received at 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
To: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 18:13:36 +0200

>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 17:03:07 +0100, Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com> said:

    Phil> So after a week, can I get a clear yes or no on this? Either is fine.

You mean using customize for keymaps? Iʼd say 'no', but Iʼm not an
Emacs maintainer.

Robert
-- 

Message #53 received at 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 19:27:14 +0200

Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com> writes:

> You mean using customize for keymaps? Iʼd say 'no', but Iʼm not an
> Emacs maintainer.

Yes, adding a defcustom now for keymaps would be pointless.

But it'd be nice if a defcustom interface for keymaps existed.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #56 received at 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 09:13:26 +0200

>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 19:27:14 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> said:

    Lars> Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com> writes:
    >> You mean using customize for keymaps? Iʼd say 'no', but Iʼm not an
    >> Emacs maintainer.

    Lars> Yes, adding a defcustom now for keymaps would be pointless.

    Lars> But it'd be nice if a defcustom interface for keymaps existed.

Something like this?

(defcustom keymap-additions nil
"Alist of bindings to add to keymaps at startup.
Keys are keymap symbols, values are lists of conses, format
(key-binding . command)

Where KEY-BINDING is a kbd format key specification, and COMMAND is an
Emacs command.")

So you could have that be

'((fundamental-mode-map . (("C-a" . mark-whole-buffer)
                           ("C-b" . backward-word)))
  (elisp-mode-map . (("C-a" . mark-defun))))

Robert
-- 

Message #59 received at 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 11:59:12 +0100

On Wed, 18 May 2022 at 08:13, Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 19:27:14 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> said:
>
>     Lars> Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com> writes:
>     >> You mean using customize for keymaps? Iʼd say 'no', but Iʼm not an
>     >> Emacs maintainer.
>
>     Lars> Yes, adding a defcustom now for keymaps would be pointless.
>
>     Lars> But it'd be nice if a defcustom interface for keymaps existed.
>
> Something like this?
>
> (defcustom keymap-additions nil
> "Alist of bindings to add to keymaps at startup.
> Keys are keymap symbols, values are lists of conses, format
> (key-binding . command)
>
> Where KEY-BINDING is a kbd format key specification, and COMMAND is an
> Emacs command.")
>
> So you could have that be
>
> '((fundamental-mode-map . (("C-a" . mark-whole-buffer)
>                            ("C-b" . backward-word)))
>   (elisp-mode-map . (("C-a" . mark-defun))))

Exactly. It should include

    :type '(alist :key-type key-sequence :value-type function)

as I suggested 9 days ago in this thread.

Message #62 received at 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 13:29:11 +0200

Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com> writes:

>     Lars> But it'd be nice if a defcustom interface for keymaps existed.
>
> Something like this?
>
> (defcustom keymap-additions nil
> "Alist of bindings to add to keymaps at startup.
> Keys are keymap symbols, values are lists of conses, format
> (key-binding . command)
>
> Where KEY-BINDING is a kbd format key specification, and COMMAND is an
> Emacs command.")
>
> So you could have that be
>
> '((fundamental-mode-map . (("C-a" . mark-whole-buffer)
>                            ("C-b" . backward-word)))
>   (elisp-mode-map . (("C-a" . mark-defun))))

Yes, something like that.  But the major work would be to create a
sensible widget that allows people to customise the keymap in question.
It'd be nice if it displayed a graphical keyboard in a buffer, and you
could click on keys to specify what they should output.  😀

Or something simpler, for instance a widget where you ask the user to
enter a chord/key stroke, and then prompt what command to bind that to.
Or...  something else.  Many possibilities here.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #65 received at 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Phil Hudson <phil.hudson <at> iname.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>, 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2; RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor
 mode keymap
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 14:39:17 +0100

On Wed, 18 May 2022 at 12:29, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:
>
> Yes, something like that.  But the major work would be to create a
> sensible widget that allows people to customise the keymap in question.
> It'd be nice if it displayed a graphical keyboard in a buffer, and you
> could click on keys to specify what they should output.  😀
>
> Or something simpler, for instance a widget where you ask the user to
> enter a chord/key stroke, and then prompt what command to bind that to.
> Or...  something else.  Many possibilities here.

What excellent ideas!

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From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: rpluim <at> gmail.com, 55301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, phil.hudson <at> iname.com
Subject: Re: bug#55301: 27.2;
 RFE: Auto-create defcustom for declared minor mode keymap
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 18:32:08 -0400

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  > Yes, something like that.  But the major work would be to create a
  > sensible widget that allows people to customise the keymap in question.
  > It'd be nice if it displayed a graphical keyboard in a buffer, and you
  > could click on keys to specify what they should output.  😀

  > Or something simpler, for instance a widget where you ask the user to
  > enter a chord/key stroke, and then prompt what command to bind that to.
  > Or...  something else.  Many possibilities here.

I like this idea too.
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