From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 24 22:43:22 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Apr 2022 02:43:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60490 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nioh3-0005jw-Hu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Apr 2022 22:43:22 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:49750) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ninP1-0003hI-FZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:20:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44228) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ninP1-0005LF-6v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:20:35 -0400 Received: from wilbur.contactoffice.com ([212.3.242.68]:35152) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ninOx-0002be-Bo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:20:34 -0400 Received: from smtpauth1.co-bxl (smtpauth1.co-bxl [10.2.0.15]) by wilbur.contactoffice.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184EA16D1 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:20:26 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1650849626; s=20210208-e7xh; d=mailfence.com; i=derek_upham@mailfence.com; h=From:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; l=24382; bh=42OFrFsD+meHFZWIzGbaFMtaWebWAg0IG2Rslii+9NM=; b=Zi6KIhG0yiU1p0jfeg5XjS9p1JZedwSoH1l+0TzATdWwbrovx0cMTIt4TUAY+pex BEaeepA8V0Gl7ro1YOO/C4SylAb1GZy7V7o0IqojOIRwQfI+Ohri35ze0OxR1Gm+DxI /Ll27QdTLddg+d2F5JPHt8dg8VaE/otJiOnozfZzC1tvumDILeKuCuhg5dqAN2+cQ6v bKvq7IR99DlNhnMBNgZ/6G2TERgAwox4P+nlYqxo+0Z3qYU6lEdzOdskqtR3sG9SrIx f2NKckNFA4fFh8fUDc1NETYkPTEa6irXeraKbFpQsIGBDVdQmY0ssi6HUVrUn0hj7TM wIodtG8J2w== Received: by smtp.mailfence.com with ESMTPSA for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:20:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [::1] (helo=priss.frightenedpiglet.com) by priss.frightenedpiglet.com with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1ninOk-00AzQe-Bq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Apr 2022 18:20:18 -0700 From: Derek Upham To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 29.0.50; Server mode + reuseable-frames + switch-to-buffer-other-window + *scratch* => hang Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 18:20:17 -0700 Message-ID: <87v8uyyn5a.fsf@priss.frightenedpiglet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.9 required=4.7 symbols=ALL_TRUSTED, BAYES_00 device=10.2.0.21 X-ContactOffice-Account: com:175140567 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.3.242.68; envelope-from=derek_upham@mailfence.com; helo=wilbur.contactoffice.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 24 Apr 2022 22:43:16 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) 1. Start an Emacs daemon. 2. Connect to it using "emacsclient -c", to bring up a fresh X11 display/frame. 3. Set the `display-buffer-base-action' variable to turn on reuseable-frames. (Use `eval-expression'.) (setq display-buffer-base-action '((reusable-frames . t))) 4. Switch to some buffer besides *scratch*. Calling `dired' is enough. That buffer should take up the entire frame. 5. Call `switch-to-buffer-other-window', and pick *scratch* as the buffer. Emacs will hang, until you hit Control-g to interrupt. Poking around, I figured out what is happening under the hood: * Starting Emacs in server mode allocates a headless terminal frame ("F1"). That hidden frame contains a window that displays *scratch* (because that's the default thing to display). * The reuseable-frames parameter directs Emacs to reuse that terminal frame. After all, the frame is showing the *scratch* buffer. It's a valid candidate according to the code. * Emacs can't actually display the headless terminal frame. It hangs. At it's broadest, the bug here is that the reuseable-frames logic doesn't understand that there are frames that you will never see in your display, and that the code should avoid them. The most conservative approach is to filter out any frame not handled by on your display. That has interesting implications for X11, where two X11 frames look the same to the user, whether or not they share the same client connection. ("Why is this not reusing my frame that's right there?") 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Derek Upham writes: > * Starting Emacs in server mode allocates a headless terminal frame > ("F1"). That hidden frame contains a window that displays *scratch* > (because that's the default thing to display). > > * The r [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55103 Cc: martin rudalics , 55103@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Derek Upham writes: > * Starting Emacs in server mode allocates a headless terminal frame > ("F1"). That hidden frame contains a window that displays *scratch* > (because that's the default thing to display). > > * The reuseable-frames parameter directs Emacs to reuse that terminal > frame. After all, the frame is showing the *scratch* buffer. It's a > valid candidate according to the code. > > * Emacs can't actually display the headless terminal frame. It hangs. > > At it's broadest, the bug here is that the reuseable-frames logic > doesn't understand that there are frames that you will never see in your > display, and that the code should avoid them. The most conservative > approach is to filter out any frame not handled by on your display. > That has interesting implications for X11, where two X11 frames look the > same to the user, whether or not they share the same client connection. > ("Why is this not reusing my frame that's right there?") Yes, I don't think Emacs can, in general, know whether a frame is visible on the same actual display as another frame. But in this case, I think it should be possible to avoid that initial dummy frame, surely. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c47c7625a606e5a674d8b8269527286d; Mon, 25 Apr 2022 08:55:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#55103: 29.0.50; Server mode + reuseable-frames + switch-to-buffer-other-window + *scratch* => hang References: <87v8uyyn5a.fsf@priss.frightenedpiglet.com> <871qxl7g02.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:55:18 +0800 In-Reply-To: <871qxl7g02.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 25 Apr 2022 09:56:45 +0200") Message-ID: <878rrt5yq1.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20118 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 442 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55103 Cc: martin rudalics , 55103@debbugs.gnu.org, Derek Upham X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Yes, I don't think Emacs can, in general, know whether a frame is > visible on the same actual display as another frame. If that happens, then IMNSHO there is a problem in the user's setup, since it's at the very least wasteful, and will probably cause problems in the long run. For example, drag-and-drop doesn't work between two frames with different terminals connected to the same display. 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Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.227.17.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [213.142.97.59 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rudalics[at]gmx.at) -0.0 T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE No description available. -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager > But in this case, I think it should be possible to avoid that initial > dummy frame, surely. I've added Martin to the CCs; perhaps he has some > comments here. Not really. Generally, t seems a bad choice for 'reusable-frames', it might also return a tooltip frame. It may be used on TTYs but I doubt that would justify it. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 25 05:43:41 2022 Received: (at 55103) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Apr 2022 09:43:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33311 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nivFt-0000fb-Ju for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2022 05:43:41 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:48574) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nivFs-0000fL-3R for 55103@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2022 05:43:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=lZV/cX9T0VRJhVY6iHA+/Ohp/dYZRK3gjyWyApn5/6I=; b=AbYpwWxLeqmeT1UN2t94YPG/wV m37lH6d5FGJ7vBRpEibTDEFiVNv3e+sh9FANo0jCcKRPZVZpAszjIvT9npFvEbHQpWCZOwxfE/dTy zQ/kYE3SJHotEaIAc1xlqy+md4BfFg1YCVSAfKdQpm+KEp22ALtE8Sk4gdwqMau0lM8s=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nivFi-0000g6-JX; Mon, 25 Apr 2022 11:43:32 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: martin rudalics Subject: Re: bug#55103: 29.0.50; Server mode + reuseable-frames + switch-to-buffer-other-window + *scratch* => hang References: <87v8uyyn5a.fsf@priss.frightenedpiglet.com> <871qxl7g02.fsf@gnus.org> <5c0b0c1e-3c29-8753-d799-32b594b2c259@gmx.at> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAALVBMVEUEAgMnEyVLGQ5k LRwtDQqGOCK0bkSfWTPFdknclF9qNziPVkr7voUpKSr///8QDAzYAAAAAWJLR0QOb70wTwAAAAd0 SU1FB+YEGQcZGrd1qg0AAAFxSURBVDjL7dHNTsJAEAfwAZZ7eyXZBNcSr0hrN9FLLUtIvAJGrxLK hzeaFDiTtPACwCSe9AlMVF7CAzxA38WVmLC2HAxn57LJ/LL/mewCHK4M/MPfIXMsZMvEOQj5BxDi 0NVauyjcYrovzqYmbzVTfVIN/GAW+fsx5OfM9RdjnAo3BU4dw6gMbirKAbtjASk5CRA3Ihca1htP 7lW/+jCx8/jeTUGbe4j+/dJKQB7n4RMiLo0EZCc4kn1sp7a6w0D2V37iiTXC55NPxEUKCrVeJbRx kXisDBSqY7+E2LGSAIQHfVw0TgC2oKsALp91X6xrDeJt/BvYRcsS5xpQKRslivBeZLlDDfSY0lgB hzAmagMZRamuRAnhXq4NeyCHxzFVfst0hWm5PQkySlc25swgpOS9yhtbnW72YFeYwWzvWQJV9gW4 HTLG7O4p7NZVYclMFnRNCXKIGuX5Db6Kmt9A43ijgLcOvFF5FwWHS9PguPoC7oVs+F7ddOsAAAAl dEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjItMDQtMjVUMDc6MjU6MjYrMDA6MDCHAqnbAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRl Om1vZGlmeQAyMDIyLTA0LTI1VDA3OjI1OjI2KzAwOjAw9l8RZwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Prince's _Sign 'O' the Times (4): Vault Tracks I_: "Big Tall Wall (Version 1)" Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 11:43:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: <5c0b0c1e-3c29-8753-d799-32b594b2c259@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Mon, 25 Apr 2022 11:12:05 +0200") Message-ID: <874k2h5whr.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: martin rudalics writes: > Not really. Generally, t seems a bad choice for 'reusable-frames', it > might also return a tooltip frame. It may be used on TTYs but I doubt > that would justify it. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55103 Cc: 55103@debbugs.gnu.org, Derek Upham X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) martin rudalics writes: > Not really. Generally, t seems a bad choice for 'reusable-frames', it > might also return a tooltip frame. It may be used on TTYs but I doubt > that would justify it. Then t doesn't seem like a very useful value? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 25 13:37:51 2022 Received: (at 55103) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Apr 2022 17:37:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35975 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nj2el-0001GO-0i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2022 13:37:51 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:49711) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nj2ej-0001GB-9y for 55103@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2022 13:37:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1650908262; bh=IrNl7kMMu/dvKz6JRQ5w9CEwiEKhd7Crco5NKJRHfe0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=iNYmNHiEpJ4Mhsy+sbB53PZ5PxrIoO03NK2YJTqhk4K+AK6QRTjY9f5CMRgOvHfqo CcWBdXpi7FIomSsajH5dz9uUV8LEWRDV1E4VzzWP9GVnqM0US2LKaFvUvCi0rDPLam Zz73aEx4f8ZhoFABJjD1Y+s2Qfbd9gjcME/oMQ+s= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([213.142.97.59]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M9nxn-1nmb1k3Kr7-005nKX; Mon, 25 Apr 2022 19:37:41 +0200 Message-ID: <5f45b6bc-8664-2d61-ee0e-b7fc6fa221b0@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 19:37:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#55103: 29.0.50; Server mode + reuseable-frames + switch-to-buffer-other-window + *scratch* => hang Content-Language: en-US To: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87v8uyyn5a.fsf@priss.frightenedpiglet.com> <871qxl7g02.fsf@gnus.org> <5c0b0c1e-3c29-8753-d799-32b594b2c259@gmx.at> <874k2h5whr.fsf@gnus.org> From: martin rudalics In-Reply-To: <874k2h5whr.fsf@gnus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:zkzKXpfxtXqg4DcXLydif5XfESuhdBq/BJ/XYkJoLhBwfJIz52g p13yb/S8hGSZ5lBgEjp1FQgjSM7PFwFQNbAV3LSNLLjwmxyuyILd+0NLf2/GRkaikADy2ON Vmb8h0gLqy+hIg6zJ+ZHoQqatvI50bdX43A8EBKFhSlgX1Zt71BSTXBIppsL3apqLMEkx+3 HRTTItP+ZdfBIAVLlv7yw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:XdbxQzy1d5o=:ZcdQZyTcBOa7Jr78W3IRD5 KOtDvq6vlf1SSiLydJV8SBPf9yVaxAC8kP+Xdu3d4btvSNy+TNKDVCqJVjsNn4rGQaLKidZsC 4ie+mu14V5agh9L8RPgIyWl8oQANNRKo5wupt57787dZfuymjADt9oMKuEtFb2gepM8+sbcri 1KyukxsW0rIMB1bNtF0jBIS3dH8cuMVZELoViakDA6c1zYTS5Vb19KTgaDsCxi3I80YoWj9MH YDuCFAHADB3eICBgHlXSaQZZXEiVRIhJJX2ie/RVDEFB7ClVOFTsRA4txdn41BUejnji5nBNT gUwhrIiS7ZeDKSFkXBqkhpKgVA8Bi6f22BG+f/Tlkjcs9iy2oLric+bB1XJD04upC1FzfL1eg THQw+1ME2GB8A2lOoFHhNFLHxi6Jzak4gUkRW+OnQihBKtrS9n08DLhNRhtdehR/ztkuikk5C H6/T4MvpTbvSRl40GdA49uHVEiHgp4hmffaPLmL06c53x/sXrf24bwx7rEtB17hdxZ7zaO0QN V9YLGfRYUJy7+NY8UN+YZS+X1gSZDQ5UFaDtHNXUAMAe3G7P8JfUL/LwqZIL0CovkDMQhBaWH ZkW9HmL8onCwCjYXad7fBdapwWqETkxuV+Za72XK9nScFnstGGbB9vLC0Ph9zk+GLEoi8hD0b OFBSpihXpojb5K32QJOsW3PenRlSFWC2t6DVmb4zleQjBWbtbZPY+bozDdLOLhp9l7qkxPNmi P7220pAbi+A4cRqOM4BjZcqATh+q0flkpJJn5AFLUHmDtwzKF7A48KPoh1CwuRsIerFaKUPZB BY68JN0aQLZ1vCaM8CMCUBEANJgPvNJ3eH8upFxAM83nvoFqcKrCf457wffuADyi4hpMddXXI flD3Y4BUA54pL8N+YGBZg0KRHStJdD7nSX3RC2DjAW16wutGDyR7wEsW8TIf5amiu+DDZGjM+ kPYOyi8UjUNQBL1AMXFFawA4P+p7neeNa/HJ0FeOWFYy2Dwgi/hQbgefbt0CgckcZT0+HsR/1 S1na+buTYzmx+0y/vP/1XiZhs/TMY4OOWYZO05S9szatEWwngQkZaz7PKHTF9m5tjxIi+5BJa DkIW196ydOiBeI= X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Then t doesn't seem like a very useful value? Maybe Derek will tell us whether '0' is not sufficient for him. martin Content analysis details: (2.8 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [213.142.97.59 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rudalics[at]gmx.at) -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.227.15.15 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE No description available. X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55103 Cc: 55103@debbugs.gnu.org, Derek Upham X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Then t doesn't seem like a very useful value? Maybe Derek will tell us whether '0' is not sufficient for him. martin Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.227.15.15 listed in list.dnswl.org] 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [213.142.97.59 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rudalics[at]gmx.at) -0.0 T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE No description available. -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager > Then t doesn't seem like a very useful value? Maybe Derek will tell us whether '0' is not sufficient for him. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 26 00:24:59 2022 Received: (at 55103) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2022 04:24:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36584 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1njCl0-0002md-T9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2022 00:24:59 -0400 Received: from wilbur.contactoffice.com ([212.3.242.68]:54804) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1njCDF-0001t7-DH for 55103@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2022 23:50:06 -0400 Received: from smtpauth1.co-bxl (smtpauth1.co-bxl [10.2.0.15]) by wilbur.contactoffice.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6865C9CA; Tue, 26 Apr 2022 05:49:58 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1650944998; s=20210208-e7xh; d=mailfence.com; i=derek_upham@mailfence.com; h=References:From:Cc:In-reply-to:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; l=1057; bh=6eRNM62HXtYTF02+7VSEpfbriLOV8K1x/RtcSfmmn/c=; b=Xy1YVqkqb8RGepOzm5WK1dJpnZp+bKnb/HHl5KN2+e7te2Nk7rMn9o5IrWmuToND 1rESXFPPIlQtYIXCPdsCl3s2muHaoVUx6Ff+hJE+mMxx0zQxJnj6F+LDVDNFKcyrASi BfuHoVBcpXPJ5CRV/vZGfH+WaP0XhwEFOYl8WR3X6e/zHikwqdwrNWQQjL9mSogWOeZ SuvzTuedvirHuqAE3YMgbIzOyvqJm8fOzcHYe1mh5c1yh0Zp4kiiQEb3xoCTl6s2PFT 1u1WfslfFCNkvdAb97Qaz45zEyMOmO0YZ9UTidgtZ/JPzVDZXerD/18OnQNgpWsuXVB RhE+cpvykQ== Received: by smtp.mailfence.com with ESMTPSA ; Tue, 26 Apr 2022 05:49:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [::1] (helo=priss.frightenedpiglet.com) by priss.frightenedpiglet.com with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1njCD2-00BqVe-A2; Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:49:52 -0700 References: <87v8uyyn5a.fsf@priss.frightenedpiglet.com> <871qxl7g02.fsf@gnus.org> <5c0b0c1e-3c29-8753-d799-32b594b2c259@gmx.at> <874k2h5whr.fsf@gnus.org> <5f45b6bc-8664-2d61-ee0e-b7fc6fa221b0@gmx.at> User-agent: mu4e 1.4.8; emacs 29.0.50 From: Derek Upham To: martin rudalics Subject: Re: bug#55103: 29.0.50; Server mode + reuseable-frames + switch-to-buffer-other-window + *scratch* => hang In-reply-to: <5f45b6bc-8664-2d61-ee0e-b7fc6fa221b0@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:49:52 -0700 Message-ID: <87v8uwpkpr.fsf@priss.frightenedpiglet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.9 required=4.7 symbols=ALL_TRUSTED, BAYES_00 device=10.2.0.20 X-ContactOffice-Account: com:175140567 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55103 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 00:24:57 -0400 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 55103@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) martin rudalics writes: >> Then t doesn't seem like a very useful value? > > Maybe Derek will tell us whether '0' is not sufficient for him. All of this came from me experimenting with the configuration=20 suggested in the Perspective package: https://github.com/nex3/perspective-el#some-musings-on-emacs-window-layou= ts I guess the author doesn=E2=80=99t use the server. After looking at the =E2=80=9CAction Alists for Buffer Display=E2=80=9D doc= s, I=20 tried =E2=80=98visible=E2=80=99 and that fixes the problem. In particular,= I=20 brought up *scratch* in a separate TTY client, and Emacs filtered=20 that display from consideration, like we would want. Is =E2=80=98t=E2=80=99 is ever useful, I wonder? What other categories are= there=20 besides visible frames and iconified frames (both covered by =E2=80=980=E2= =80=99),=20 and this edge case? Anyway to summarize: this is not a dire problem, it was just weird=20 and worth investigating. The proposed fix works for me. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: martin rudalics writes: >> Is ‘t’ is ever useful, I wonder? What other categories are there > besides visible frames and iconified frames (both covered by ‘0’), and > this edge case? > > I don't know. If there ain't, [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 55103 Cc: 55103@debbugs.gnu.org, Derek Upham X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) martin rudalics writes: >> Is =E2=80=98t=E2=80=99 is ever useful, I wonder? What other categories = are there > besides visible frames and iconified frames (both covered by =E2=80=980= =E2=80=99), and > this edge case? > > I don't know. If there ain't, we can silently make 't' behave like '0'. 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