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retitle 54691 fortune-mod propagates various non-nice things
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Hi guix,
fortune-mod currently propagates (in the non-technical sense) various
non-nice things like objectification, misogeny, religious intolerance,
anti-mathematician-ism (?) and date rape. That is not an exhaustive
list, these are just the first few things I encountered with "fortune
off".
To reproduce the issue, run "fortune off" a few times. Or just
"fortune", though then it can take a bit longer.
There are also a few non-nice things in the non-off set. E.g.:
$ fortune
> User n.:
> A programmer who will believe anything you tell him.
# ^ from 'definitions'
As such, just removing 'off' doesn't seem sufficient. Unless Someone=E2=84=
=A2
volunteers to remove the anti-fortunes (*), I would just remove
'fortune-mod', given that it seems to serve no practical purpose byond
being non-nice. WDYT?
(*) Fortunes don't have to be positive, but that doesn't mean they need
to be sexist (genderist?) or insulting either (e.g.:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_cookie#/media/File:Negative_fortune_c=
ookie.jpg).
Hence, anti-fortunes instead of fortunes.
Greeting,
Maxime
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Subject: Re: fortune-mod propagates various non-nice things
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Hi Maxime,
Am Sonntag, dem 03.04.2022 um 15:09 +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos:
> Hi guix,
>
> fortune-mod currently propagates (in the non-technical sense) various
> non-nice things like objectification, misoginy, religious
> intolerance, anti-mathematician-ism (?) and date rape. That is not
> an exhaustive list, these are just the first few things I encountered
> with "fortune off".
Well, the purpose of "fortune off" is to provide offensive "jokes". As
such, if you're offended by them, you're kinda getting what you've
asked for. If removing them falls under what our CoC states, though,
then so be it, I have no horse in this race.
More importantly...
> There are also a few non-nice things in the non-off set.
I think this should be reported upstream. From what I could gather in
a short time, upstream appears both active (last commit 18 days ago)
and willing to make adjustments for "political correctness" (some two
years ago, they removed a lot of blonde jokes, though some simply got
demoted to still sexist jokes about women instead, and off is still
fair game for those, so...), so I think talking will get us further
than one-sided deletion here.
> As such, just removing 'off' doesn't seem sufficient. Unless
> someone™ volunteers to remove the anti-fortunes (*), I would just
> remove 'fortune-mod', given that it seems to serve no practical
> purpose beyond being non-nice. WDYT?
I don't think practical purpose is a bar we can set. What should we do
with all of the Rust ecosystem otherwise?
(For Rust fans, who were offended by the above, consider collecting
this and other quotes from yours truly in a new offensive/rust file and
we can both be happy.)
As for being non-nice on purpose, I disagree. It's rather a shame if
the supposedly inoffensive set is still offensive. And if lack of
humor is a concern, "A nuclear war can ruin your whole day." from
politics sounds just about fine to me :)
Cheers
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Liliana Marie Prikler schreef op zo 03-04-2022 om 19:26 [+0200]:
> I don't think practical purpose is a bar we can set.=C2=A0 What should we=
do
> with all of the Rust ecosystem otherwise?
Replace cargo with something else, then it can become more practical.
See, e.g., the =E2=80=98Compiling rust things without cargo (super WIP POC)=
=E2=80=99
thread on guix-devel@gnu.org. Once it is complete, rust would have a
build system that works well within Guix, so then we could benefit from
Rust's safety features (and macros, generic types, etc.) without the
downsides of cargo-build-system. Doesn't change the Rust bootstrap
length though ...
Greetings,
Maaxime.
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Maxime Devos schreef op zo 03-04-2022 om 15:09 [+0200]:
> To reproduce the issue, run "fortune off" a few times.=C2=A0 Or just
> "fortune", though then it can take a bit longer.
Correction: looks like just running "fortune" without "off" doesn't
include the things from 'off'.
Greetings,
Maxime.
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Liliana Marie Prikler schreef op zo 03-04-2022 om 19:26 [+0200]:
> More importantly...
> > There are also a few non-nice things in the non-off set.
> I think this should be reported upstream.=C2=A0[...]
Done:
Greetings,
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Liliana Marie Prikler schreef op zo 03-04-2022 om 19:26 [+0200]:
> I think this should be reported upstream.=C2=A0 From what I could gather =
in
> a short time, upstream appears both active (last commit 18 days ago)
> and willing to make adjustments for "political correctness" (some two
> years ago, they removed a lot of blonde jokes, though some simply got
> demoted to still sexist jokes about women instead, and off is still
> fair game for those, so...), so I think talking will get us further
> than one-sided deletion here.
Looks like upstream disagrees:
.
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Hi Maxime,
Maxime Devos writes:
> Hi guix,
>
> fortune-mod currently propagates (in the non-technical sense) various
> non-nice things like objectification, misogeny, religious intolerance,
> anti-mathematician-ism (?) and date rape. That is not an exhaustive
> list, these are just the first few things I encountered with "fortune
> off".
>
> To reproduce the issue, run "fortune off" a few times. Or just
> "fortune", though then it can take a bit longer.
>
> There are also a few non-nice things in the non-off set. E.g.:
>
> $ fortune
>> User n.:
>> A programmer who will believe anything you tell him.
> # ^ from 'definitions'
>
> As such, just removing 'off' doesn't seem sufficient. Unless Someone=E2=
=84=A2
> volunteers to remove the anti-fortunes (*), I would just remove
> 'fortune-mod', given that it seems to serve no practical purpose byond
> being non-nice. WDYT?
'off' here apparently means the 'offensive' database, as explained by
Liliana; seems it offends alright :-).
The GNU FSDG has says nothing about what programs may or may not
contain, for a good reason: the line to draw could get very subjective
(similar to how the GPL ).
I don't think we should judge our software on terms falling outside of
the Free Software Distribution Guidelines, but a simple thing we could
add here would be a note in the description to caution the user that
running
@example
fortune off
@end example
is intended to be offensive.
What do you think?
Thanks,
Maxim
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Maxim Cournoyer writes:
> Hi Maxime,
>
> Maxime Devos writes:
>
>> Hi guix,
>>
>> fortune-mod currently propagates (in the non-technical sense) various
>> non-nice things like objectification, misogeny, religious intolerance,
>> anti-mathematician-ism (?) and date rape. That is not an exhaustive
>> list, these are just the first few things I encountered with "fortune
>> off".
>>
>> To reproduce the issue, run "fortune off" a few times. Or just
>> "fortune", though then it can take a bit longer.
>>
>> There are also a few non-nice things in the non-off set. E.g.:
>>
>> $ fortune
>>> User n.:
>>> A programmer who will believe anything you tell him.
>> # ^ from 'definitions'
>>
>> As such, just removing 'off' doesn't seem sufficient. Unless Someone=E2=
=84=A2
>> volunteers to remove the anti-fortunes (*), I would just remove
>> 'fortune-mod', given that it seems to serve no practical purpose byond
>> being non-nice. WDYT?
>
> 'off' here apparently means the 'offensive' database, as explained by
> Liliana; seems it offends alright :-).
>
> The GNU FSDG has says nothing about what programs may or may not
> contain, for a good reason: the line to draw could get very subjective
> (similar to how the GPL ).
>
> I don't think we should judge our software on terms falling outside of
> the Free Software Distribution Guidelines, but a simple thing we could
> add here would be a note in the description to caution the user that
> running
>
> @example
> fortune off
> @end example
>
> is intended to be offensive.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maxim
Honestly this is dumb, it's not even practically useful software. We
have no obligation to package something that jokes about date rape and
contributes nothing of practical value.
This is very different to the reasoning behind the lack of moral clauses
in the GPL. And again, just because something is free software, we don't ha=
ve to
package it.
It's a ticking PR timebomb and nothing of value would be lost if we got
rid of that file. If some snowflake gets triggered because we removed
their favorite date rape joke, they self identified as someone whose
opinion we should ignore. :P
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Subject: Re: bug#54691: fortune-mod propagates various non-nice things
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Hi Csepp,
Csepp writes:
> Maxim Cournoyer writes:
>
>> Hi Maxime,
>>
>> Maxime Devos writes:
>>
>>> Hi guix,
>>>
>>> fortune-mod currently propagates (in the non-technical sense) various
>>> non-nice things like objectification, misogeny, religious intolerance,
>>> anti-mathematician-ism (?) and date rape. That is not an exhaustive
>>> list, these are just the first few things I encountered with "fortune
>>> off".
>>>
>>> To reproduce the issue, run "fortune off" a few times. Or just
>>> "fortune", though then it can take a bit longer.
>>>
>>> There are also a few non-nice things in the non-off set. E.g.:
>>>
>>> $ fortune
>>>> User n.:
>>>> A programmer who will believe anything you tell him.
>>> # ^ from 'definitions'
>>>
>>> As such, just removing 'off' doesn't seem sufficient. Unless Someone=
=E2=84=A2
>>> volunteers to remove the anti-fortunes (*), I would just remove
>>> 'fortune-mod', given that it seems to serve no practical purpose byond
>>> being non-nice. WDYT?
>>
>> 'off' here apparently means the 'offensive' database, as explained by
>> Liliana; seems it offends alright :-).
>>
>> The GNU FSDG has says nothing about what programs may or may not
>> contain, for a good reason: the line to draw could get very subjective
>> (similar to how the GPL ).
>>
>> I don't think we should judge our software on terms falling outside of
>> the Free Software Distribution Guidelines, but a simple thing we could
>> add here would be a note in the description to caution the user that
>> running
>>
>> @example
>> fortune off
>> @end example
>>
>> is intended to be offensive.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Maxim
>
> Honestly this is dumb, it's not even practically useful software. We
> have no obligation to package something that jokes about date rape and
> contributes nothing of practical value.
> This is very different to the reasoning behind the lack of moral clauses
> in the GPL. And again, just because something is free software, we don't =
have to
> package it.
> It's a ticking PR timebomb and nothing of value would be lost if we got
> rid of that file. If some snowflake gets triggered because we removed
> their favorite date rape joke, they self identified as someone whose
> opinion we should ignore. :P
Thanks for the criticism. I admit I hadn't run 'fortune off' myself or
researched much on what it contains; after reading more about it,
especially considering these notes about the 'Offensive' database [0]:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
[...]
In another file in this directory (Notes), the original author(s) of the
fortune distribution state that "racist, mysogynist [sic] (sexist), or
homophobic ideas" should never be included in the fortune database.
[...]
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
[...]
I admit that I was strongly tempted to simply remove these fortunes, an
action that I might have justified by pointing to the Notes of the
original authors. However, it appears that over the course of time there
have been those who find these sorts of prejudice amusing, and in
America, at least, even Nazi rhetoric is a protected form of speech. So
I include them, and leave the decision to individual system administrators.
[...]
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
But the most explicit recommendation is:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Those who respect women, gays, and people of color may prefer
to either remove the .dat file (which keeps the strings, but makes them
inaccessible via the fortune program), or to delete these files altogether.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
I now think we should act on it :-)
Would you like to prepare a patch stripping out the offensive database
file?
Thanks,
Maxim
[0] https://github.com/shlomif/fortune-mod/blob/master/fortune-mod/Offensi=
ve
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* gnu/packages/games.scm (fortune-mod): Delete off database after install phase.
---
gnu/packages/games.scm | 5 ++++-
1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
diff --git a/gnu/packages/games.scm b/gnu/packages/games.scm
index 713f9339b2..cf10ebc9b6 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/games.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/games.scm
@@ -7721,7 +7721,10 @@ (define-public fortune-mod
(lambda _
(with-directory-excursion #$output
(rename-file "games/fortune" "bin/fortune")
- (rmdir "games")))))))
+ (rmdir "games"))))
+ (add-after 'install 'commit-censorship
+ (lambda* (#:key outputs #:allow-other-keys)
+ (delete-file-recursively (string-append (assoc-ref outputs "out") "/share/fortunes/off/")))))))
(inputs (list recode))
(native-inputs
(list perl
--
2.37.0
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] gnu: fortune-mod: Remove off database.
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Liliana Marie Prikler writes:
> merge 56599 54691
> thanks
>
> Am Samstag, dem 16.07.2022 um 14:21 +0200 schrieb raingloom:
>> * gnu/packages/games.scm (fortune-mod): Delete off database after
>> install phase.
>> ---
>> =C2=A0gnu/packages/games.scm | 5 ++++-
>> =C2=A01 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>=20
>> diff --git a/gnu/packages/games.scm b/gnu/packages/games.scm
>> index 713f9339b2..cf10ebc9b6 100644
>> --- a/gnu/packages/games.scm
>> +++ b/gnu/packages/games.scm
>> @@ -7721,7 +7721,10 @@ (define-public fortune-mod
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (lambda _
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (with-directory-excursion #$outp=
ut
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (rename-file "games/=
fortune" "bin/fortune")
>> -=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (rmdir "games")))))))
>> +=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (rmdir "games"))))
>> +=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (add-after 'install 'commit-censorship
>> +=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (lambda* (#:key outputs #:allow-other-keys)
>> +=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (delete-file-recursively (string-ap=
pend
> Truly offensive files should be removed with a snippet rather than a
> funnily named phase. I'm not sure if this applies to all of off, but
> let it be said, that there's plenty of fortunes that'd violate the CoC
> in files not labeled as such. Some files could probably be salvaged if
> we only removed some quotes =E2=80=93 for example limericks about numbers=
are
> probably fine, but other limericks aren't. Furthermore, we should also
> revise the list of fortunes not in off, men-women is just an alternate
> spelling of sexism.
>
> Cheers
That's probably better done as a fork of upstream. If no one wants to do
that, I wouldn't miss the package if it got yeeted. :shrug:
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From: Liliana Marie Prikler
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Am Samstag, dem 16.07.2022 um 15:40 +0200 schrieb Csepp:
>
> Liliana Marie Prikler writes:
>
> > merge 56599 54691
> > thanks
> >
> > Am Samstag, dem 16.07.2022 um 14:21 +0200 schrieb raingloom:
> > > * gnu/packages/games.scm (fortune-mod): Delete off database after
> > > install phase.
> > > ---
> > > gnu/packages/games.scm | 5 ++++-
> > > 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/gnu/packages/games.scm b/gnu/packages/games.scm
> > > index 713f9339b2..cf10ebc9b6 100644
> > > --- a/gnu/packages/games.scm
> > > +++ b/gnu/packages/games.scm
> > > @@ -7721,7 +7721,10 @@ (define-public fortune-mod
> > > (lambda _
> > > (with-directory-excursion #$output
> > > (rename-file "games/fortune" "bin/fortune")
> > > - (rmdir "games")))))))
> > > + (rmdir "games"))))
> > > + (add-after 'install 'commit-censorship
> > > + (lambda* (#:key outputs #:allow-other-keys)
> > > + (delete-file-recursively (string-append
> > Truly offensive files should be removed with a snippet rather than
> > a funnily named phase. I'm not sure if this applies to all of off,
> > but let it be said, that there's plenty of fortunes that'd violate
> > the CoC in files not labeled as such. Some files could probably be
> > salvaged if we only removed some quotes – for example limericks
> > about numbers are probably fine, but other limericks aren't.
> > Furthermore, we should also revise the list of fortunes not in off,
> > men-women is just an alternate spelling of sexism.
> >
> > Cheers
>
> That's probably better done as a fork of upstream. If no one wants to
> do that, I wouldn't miss the package if it got yeeted. :shrug:
I'm not necessarily asking you to go over joke for joke; that would
need to be a collective decision of Guix folk anyway. Right now I just
want to (1) make that a snippet and (2) also take a critical look at
the files not labeled "offensive".
Cheers
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] gnu: fortune-mod: Remove off database.
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merge 56599 54691
thanks
Am Samstag, dem 16.07.2022 um 14:21 +0200 schrieb raingloom:
> * gnu/packages/games.scm (fortune-mod): Delete off database after
> install phase.
> ---
> gnu/packages/games.scm | 5 ++++-
> 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/gnu/packages/games.scm b/gnu/packages/games.scm
> index 713f9339b2..cf10ebc9b6 100644
> --- a/gnu/packages/games.scm
> +++ b/gnu/packages/games.scm
> @@ -7721,7 +7721,10 @@ (define-public fortune-mod
> (lambda _
> (with-directory-excursion #$output
> (rename-file "games/fortune" "bin/fortune")
> - (rmdir "games")))))))
> + (rmdir "games"))))
> + (add-after 'install 'commit-censorship
> + (lambda* (#:key outputs #:allow-other-keys)
> + (delete-file-recursively (string-append
Truly offensive files should be removed with a snippet rather than a
funnily named phase. I'm not sure if this applies to all of off, but
let it be said, that there's plenty of fortunes that'd violate the CoC
in files not labeled as such. Some files could probably be salvaged if
we only removed some quotes – for example limericks about numbers are
probably fine, but other limericks aren't. Furthermore, we should also
revise the list of fortunes not in off, men-women is just an alternate
spelling of sexism.
Cheers
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] gnu: fortune-mod: Remove off database.
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Liliana Marie Prikler writes:
> Am Samstag, dem 16.07.2022 um 15:40 +0200 schrieb Csepp:
>>=20
>> Liliana Marie Prikler writes:
>>=20
>> > merge 56599 54691
>> > thanks
>> >=20
>> > Am Samstag, dem 16.07.2022 um 14:21 +0200 schrieb raingloom:
>> > > * gnu/packages/games.scm (fortune-mod): Delete off database after
>> > > install phase.
>> > > ---
>> > > =C2=A0gnu/packages/games.scm | 5 ++++-
>> > > =C2=A01 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>> > >=20
>> > > diff --git a/gnu/packages/games.scm b/gnu/packages/games.scm
>> > > index 713f9339b2..cf10ebc9b6 100644
>> > > --- a/gnu/packages/games.scm
>> > > +++ b/gnu/packages/games.scm
>> > > @@ -7721,7 +7721,10 @@ (define-public fortune-mod
>> > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (lambda _
>> > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (with-directory-excursion =
#$output
>> > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (rename-file "=
games/fortune" "bin/fortune")
>> > > -=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (rmdir "games")))))))
>> > > +=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (rmdir "games"))))
>> > > +=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (add-after 'install 'commit-censorship
>> > > +=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (lambda* (#:key outputs #:allow-other-keys)
>> > > +=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (delete-file-recursively (string=
-append
>> > Truly offensive files should be removed with a snippet rather than
>> > a funnily named phase.=C2=A0 I'm not sure if this applies to all of of=
f,
>> > but let it be said, that there's plenty of fortunes that'd violate
>> > the CoC in files not labeled as such.=C2=A0 Some files could probably =
be
>> > salvaged if we only removed some quotes =E2=80=93 for example limericks
>> > about numbers are probably fine, but other limericks aren't.=C2=A0
>> > Furthermore, we should also revise the list of fortunes not in off,
>> > men-women is just an alternate spelling of sexism.
>> >=20
>> > Cheers
>>=20
>> That's probably better done as a fork of upstream. If no one wants to
>> do that, I wouldn't miss the package if it got yeeted. :shrug:
> I'm not necessarily asking you to go over joke for joke; that would
> need to be a collective decision of Guix folk anyway. Right now I just
> want to (1) make that a snippet and (2) also take a critical look at
> the files not labeled "offensive".=20
>
> Cheers
Doing it before the install phase requires also patching the build
scripts. There are a bunch of other bugs calling me sadly, so I'm not
super keen on putting more energy into this one.
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On 03-04-2022 19:26, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote:
Am Sonntag, dem 03.04.2022 u=
m 15:09 +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos:
Hi guix,
fortune-mod currently propagates (in the non-technical sense) various
non-nice things like objectification, misoginy, religious
intolerance, anti-mathematician-ism (?) and date rape.=C2=A0 That is not
an exhaustive list, these are just the first few things I encountered
with "fortune off".
Well, the purpose of "fortun=
e off" is to provide offensive "jokes". As
such, if you're offended by them, you're kinda getting what you've
asked for. If removing them falls under what our CoC states, though,
then so be it, I have no horse in this race.
My point wasn't that some individual could accidentally install a<=
br>
package that offends them.=C2=A0 My point was that:
fortune-mod currently prop=
agates (in the non-technical sense) various
non-nice things like objectification, misogeny, religious intolerance,
anti-mathematician-ism (?) and date rape. That is not an exhaustive
list, these are just the first few things I encountered with "fortune
off".
More concretely, consider the target audience for such "jokes"
instead of some random individual.
By including such jokes:
- we implicitly validate that such views are reasonable (people
holding those views get validation, unknowing people are nudged
into considering such views and people rejecting these views are
invalidated)
- As such, we contribute to keeping those vile -isms intact and
making them more common.
I do not believe this to be a good course of action.
Something can be said about the individuals too, w.r.t.
internalised $BAD-isms, negative impact on mental health, possibly
some other things too?). I don't believe inflicting those to be a
good idea either.
Csepp <raingloom@riseup.net>
[quoted stuff]
Honestly this is dumb, it'=
s not even practically useful software. We
have no obligation to package something that jokes about date rape and
contributes nothing of practical value.
This is very different to the reasoning behind the lack of moral clauses
in the GPL. And again, just because something is free software, we don't =
have to
package it.
It's a ticking PR timebomb and nothing of value would be lost if we got
rid of that file. If some snowflake gets triggered because we removed
their favorite date rape joke, they self identified as someone whose
opinion we should ignore. :P
Exactly, though myself I prefer to reason in terms of "what is /
what changes / consequences / ..." instead of "how are our actions
perceived".
(/me catches up on other responses, haven't read them all yet)
=
Greetings,
Maxime.
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Am Dienstag, dem 19.07.2022 um 21:20 +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos:
> On 03-04-2022 19:26, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote:
>
> > Am Sonntag, dem 03.04.2022 um 15:09 +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos:
> >
> > > Hi guix,
> > >
> > > fortune-mod currently propagates (in the non-technical sense)
> > > various non-nice things like objectification, misoginy, religious
> > > intolerance, anti-mathematician-ism (?) and date rape. That is
> > > not an exhaustive list, these are just the first few things I
> > > encountered with "fortune off".
> > Well, the purpose of "fortune off" is to provide offensive "jokes".
> > As such, if you're offended by them, you're kinda getting what
> > you've asked for. If removing them falls under what our CoC states,
> > though, then so be it, I have no horse in this race.
> My point wasn't that some individual could accidentally install a
> package that offends them. My point was that:
> > fortune-mod currently propagates (in the non-technical sense)
> > various non-nice things like objectification, misogeny, religious
> > intolerance, anti-mathematician-ism (?) and date rape. That is not
> > an exhaustive list, these are just the first few things I
> > encountered with "fortune off".
> More concretely, consider the target audience for such "jokes"
> instead of some random individual.
> By including such jokes:
> * we implicitly validate that such views are reasonable (people
> holding those views get validation, unknowing people are nudged into
> considering such views and people rejecting these views are
> invalidated)
> * As such, we contribute to keeping those vile -isms intact and
> making them more common.
> I do not believe this to be a good course of action.
> Something can be said about the individuals too, w.r.t. internalised
> $BAD-isms, negative impact on mental health, possibly some other
> things too?). I don't believe inflicting those to be a good idea
> either.
I do get where you're coming from. However, I'd argue that the issue
with the current fortune-mod is that it doesn't really have a code of
conduct, or at best a poorly conceived one. Even if we removed
obviously bad stuff like misogyny, religious intolerance and date rape,
there are other points of contention. For example, the user one you
mentioned was not even listed in off, even though it might be
classified as offensive (a harmless offense, if you ask me, but
anyway). All sorts of "punching up" jokes against incompetent
politicians would also be offensive to those politicians and their
followers even if propagating them towards greater society would be a
good thing. There's probably more to add here.
Thus, my point is that we ought to consider a code of conduct while
we're choosing which themes fortune-mod is allowed to propagate and
which not (in particular our own might be a starting point). If we
find that patching fortune-mod is too hard as raingloom implied, we
might instead use a more CoC-friendly fork.
Cheers
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Am Mittwoch, dem 20.07.2022 um 10:45 +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos:
> [...]
> Moving to a friendly fork would be an option, but we need a fork for
> that, and I'm not finding a clear choice -- I only found those on
> , but most of the time
> they are often rather specific (e.g.: 'The #kernelnewbies fortune
> file', not an unified collection with lots of quotes on lots of
> things, so no clear fork springs out.
I think there's two problems to tackle here. First, fortune-mod does
not support an environment like FORTUNE_PATH and it'd be difficult to
patch it to do so (trust me, I've looked at the code and it's
horrible). Second, we need quotes replacements – once FORTUNE_PATH is
implemented, we could even have separate packages, provided that all of
them pass our QA.
In order to solve the first problem, I'll clear my mind and come up
with an alternative set of fortune tools (ideally once to which we can
apply the GPL3 rather than the BSD4).
> There's maybe , which at
> first sight doesn't seem bad and seems to have lots of things, so if
> someone wants to preserve fortune, they can write a patch to switch
> to that fortunes database?
Would you be willing to do a complete evaluation of this database? If
you find that it is indeed better than the one packaged by shlomifish,
replacing them would be easy. First, add a snippet to the origin of
fortune-mod to delete the datfiles, second add a phase to install
JKirchartz'.
Cheers
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to: Maxime Devos
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* gnu/packages/toys.scm (daikichi): New variable.
---
gnu/packages/toys.scm | 32 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
1 file changed, 31 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
diff --git a/gnu/packages/toys.scm b/gnu/packages/toys.scm
index fb2f367490..b3e4cc4f84 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/toys.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/toys.scm
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
;;; Copyright © 2017, 2018, 2020–2022 Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
;;; Copyright © 2019 Jesse Gibbons
;;; Copyright © 2019, 2020, 2021 Timotej Lazar
-;;; Copyright © 2019 Liliana Marie Prikler
+;;; Copyright © 2019, 2022 Liliana Marie Prikler
;;; Copyright © 2020 Efraim Flashner
;;; Copyright © 2021 Leo Famulari
;;;
@@ -27,18 +27,48 @@ (define-module (gnu packages toys)
#:use-module (gnu packages flex)
#:use-module (gnu packages gtk)
#:use-module (gnu packages man)
+ #:use-module (gnu packages multiprecision)
#:use-module (gnu packages ncurses)
#:use-module (gnu packages perl)
+ #:use-module (gnu packages pretty-print)
#:use-module (gnu packages pkg-config)
#:use-module (gnu packages xml)
#:use-module (gnu packages xorg)
#:use-module (guix build-system gnu)
+ #:use-module (guix build-system meson)
#:use-module (guix download)
#:use-module (guix git-download)
#:use-module ((guix licenses) #:prefix license:)
#:use-module (guix packages)
#:use-module (guix utils))
+(define-public daikichi
+ (package
+ (name "daikichi")
+ (version "0.1")
+ (source (origin
+ (method git-fetch)
+ (uri (git-reference
+ (url "https://gitlab.com/lilyp/daikichi")
+ (commit version)))
+ (file-name (git-file-name name version))
+ (sha256
+ (base32
+ "13pj5gl1rf6nn97153psbmrj4djsc6rzaryawi29s32pnng5n28s"))))
+ (build-system meson-build-system)
+ (inputs (list gmp fmt))
+ (native-inputs (list pkg-config))
+ (home-page "https://gitlab.com/lilyp/daikichi")
+ (synopsis "Display random fortunes")
+ (description "Daikichi provides an alternative implementation of the
+@command{fortune} command, which displays random quotes from a database.
+This package provides just the utilities and no quotes.")
+ (license license:gpl3+)
+ (native-search-paths
+ (list (search-path-specification
+ (variable "DAIFUKU_FORTUNE_PATH")
+ (files '("share/fortunes")))))))
+
(define-public lolcat
(let ((commit "35dca3d0a381496d7195cd78f5b24aa7b62f2154")
(revision "0"))
--
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* gnu/packages/toys.scm (fortunes-jkirchartz): New variable.
---
gnu/packages/toys.scm | 49 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 file changed, 49 insertions(+)
diff --git a/gnu/packages/toys.scm b/gnu/packages/toys.scm
index b3e4cc4f84..556f196a55 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/toys.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/toys.scm
@@ -23,6 +23,7 @@
(define-module (gnu packages toys)
#:use-module (gnu packages)
+ #:use-module (gnu packages base)
#:use-module (gnu packages bison)
#:use-module (gnu packages flex)
#:use-module (gnu packages gtk)
@@ -35,8 +36,10 @@ (define-module (gnu packages toys)
#:use-module (gnu packages xml)
#:use-module (gnu packages xorg)
#:use-module (guix build-system gnu)
+ #:use-module (guix build-system copy)
#:use-module (guix build-system meson)
#:use-module (guix download)
+ #:use-module (guix gexp)
#:use-module (guix git-download)
#:use-module ((guix licenses) #:prefix license:)
#:use-module (guix packages)
@@ -69,6 +72,52 @@ (define-public daikichi
(variable "DAIFUKU_FORTUNE_PATH")
(files '("share/fortunes")))))))
+(define-public fortunes-jkirchartz
+ (let ((commit "2e32ba0a57e3842dc06c8128d880ab4c8ec3aefc")
+ (revision "2022.05.23")) ; Use a date rather than a number
+ (package
+ (name "fortunes-jkirchartz")
+ (version (git-version "0" revision commit))
+ (source (origin
+ (method git-fetch)
+ (uri (git-reference
+ (url "https://github.com/JKirchartz/fortunes")
+ (commit commit)))
+ (file-name (git-file-name name version))
+ (sha256
+ (base32
+ "1ym4ldzww5yfd76q7zvhi491bqlykfjnc215bqx1cbj0c8ndb2l4"))
+ (snippet
+ #~(for-each delete-file
+ ;; incompatible license
+ '("BibleAbridged")))))
+ ;; To read the fortunes, but also to compile them.
+ ;; No support for cross-compilation yet
+ (build-system copy-build-system)
+ (propagated-inputs (list daikichi))
+ (native-inputs (list gnu-make))
+ (arguments
+ (list #:install-plan
+ #~`(("." "share/fortunes" #:include-regexp ("\\.dat$")))
+ #:phases
+ #~(modify-phases %standard-phases
+ (add-after 'unpack 'patch-source
+ (lambda _
+ (substitute* "showerthoughts"
+ (("<") "<")
+ ((">") ">")
+ (("&") "&"))
+ (substitute* "Makefile"
+ (("strfile") "daikichi pack"))))
+ (add-before 'install 'build
+ (lambda _
+ (invoke "make"))))))
+ (home-page "https://github.com/JKirchartz/fortunes")
+ (synopsis "Collection of fortunes")
+ (description "This package contains a large collection of fortunes drawn
+from sources all around the world.")
+ (license license:unlicense))))
+
(define-public lolcat
(let ((commit "35dca3d0a381496d7195cd78f5b24aa7b62f2154")
(revision "0"))
--
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* gnu/packages/games.scm (fortune-mod): Delete variable.
* gnu/packages/toys.scm (fortune-mod): Add deprecated package alias.
---
gnu/packages/games.scm | 73 ------------------------------------------
gnu/packages/toys.scm | 3 ++
2 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 73 deletions(-)
diff --git a/gnu/packages/games.scm b/gnu/packages/games.scm
index d55a2ee867..4110ea99d1 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/games.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/games.scm
@@ -7629,79 +7629,6 @@ (define-public rinutils
(description "This package provides C11 / gnu11 utilities C library")
(license license:expat)))
-(define-public fortune-mod
- (package
- (name "fortune-mod")
- (version "3.14.0")
- (source
- (origin
- (method git-fetch)
- (uri (git-reference
- (url "https://github.com/shlomif/fortune-mod")
- (commit (string-append "fortune-mod-" version))))
- (file-name (git-file-name name version))
- (sha256
- (base32 "1f2zif3s6vddbhph4jr1cymdsn7gagg59grrxs0yap6myqmy8shg"))))
- (build-system cmake-build-system)
- (arguments
- (list #:configure-flags
- #~(let ((fortunes (string-append #$output "/share/fortunes")))
- (list (string-append "-DLOCALDIR=" fortunes)
- (string-append "-DLOCALODIR=" fortunes "/off")
- (string-append "-DCOOKIEDIR=" fortunes)
- (string-append "-DOCOOKIEDIR=" fortunes "/off")))
- #:test-target "check"
- #:phases
- #~(modify-phases %standard-phases
- (add-after 'unpack 'enter-build-directory
- (lambda _
- (chdir "fortune-mod")))
- (add-after 'enter-build-directory 'symlink-rinutils
- (lambda _
- (mkdir-p "rinutils")
- (symlink #$(this-package-native-input "rinutils")
- "rinutils/rinutils")))
- (add-after 'enter-build-directory 'copy-cmake-modules
- (lambda _
- (copy-file #$shlomif-cmake-modules
- (string-append "cmake/"
- (strip-store-file-name
- #$shlomif-cmake-modules)))))
- (add-after 'enter-build-directory 'delete-failing-test
- (lambda _
- ;; TODO: Valgrind tests fail for some reason. Similar issue?
- ;; https://github.com/shlomif/fortune-mod/issues/21
- (delete-file "tests/data/valgrind.t")
- (with-output-to-file "tests/scripts/split-valgrind.pl"
- (const #t))))
- (add-after 'install 'fix-install-directory
- ;; Move fortune from "games/" to "bin/" and remove the
- ;; former. This is easier than patching CMakeLists.txt
- ;; since the tests hard-code the location as well.
- (lambda _
- (with-directory-excursion #$output
- (rename-file "games/fortune" "bin/fortune")
- (rmdir "games")))))))
- (inputs (list recode))
- (native-inputs
- (list perl
- ;; For generating the documentation.
- docbook-xml-5
- docbook-xsl
- perl-app-xml-docbook-builder
- ;; The following are only needed for tests.
- perl-file-find-object
- perl-test-differences
- perl-class-xsaccessor
- perl-io-all
- perl-test-runvalgrind
- rinutils))
- (home-page "https://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/projects/fortune-mod/")
- (synopsis "The Fortune Cookie program from BSD games")
- (description "Fortune is a command-line utility which displays a random
-quotation from a collection of quotes.")
- (license license:bsd-4)))
-
(define xonotic-data
(package
(name "xonotic-data")
diff --git a/gnu/packages/toys.scm b/gnu/packages/toys.scm
index 556f196a55..2492a32d81 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/toys.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/toys.scm
@@ -118,6 +118,9 @@ (define-public fortunes-jkirchartz
from sources all around the world.")
(license license:unlicense))))
+(define-public fortune-mod
+ (deprecated-package "fortune-mod" fortunes-jkirchartz))
+
(define-public lolcat
(let ((commit "35dca3d0a381496d7195cd78f5b24aa7b62f2154")
(revision "0"))
--
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This origin was added for the now removed fortune-mod, so let's remove it
as well.
* gnu/packages/games.scm (shlomif-cmake-modules): Delete variable.
---
gnu/packages/games.scm | 10 ----------
1 file changed, 10 deletions(-)
diff --git a/gnu/packages/games.scm b/gnu/packages/games.scm
index c22d6611f6..0c5f298283 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/games.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/games.scm
@@ -7560,16 +7560,6 @@ (define-public crispy-doom
original.")
(home-page "https://www.chocolate-doom.org/wiki/index.php/Crispy_Doom")))
-(define shlomif-cmake-modules
- (origin
- (method url-fetch)
- (uri (string-append
- "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/shlomif/shlomif-cmake-modules/"
- "89f05caf86078f783873975525230cf4fecede8a"
- "/shlomif-cmake-modules/Shlomif_Common.cmake"))
- (sha256
- (base32 "05xdikw5ln0yh8p5chsmd8qnndmxg5b5vjlfpdqrjcb1ncqzywkc"))))
-
(define xonotic-data
(package
(name "xonotic-data")
--
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This package was introduced as native input to the now removed fortune-mod,
so let's remove it as well.
* gnu/packages/games.scm (rinutils): Delete variable.
---
gnu/packages/games.scm | 59 ------------------------------------------
1 file changed, 59 deletions(-)
diff --git a/gnu/packages/games.scm b/gnu/packages/games.scm
index 4110ea99d1..c22d6611f6 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/games.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/games.scm
@@ -7570,65 +7570,6 @@ (define shlomif-cmake-modules
(sha256
(base32 "05xdikw5ln0yh8p5chsmd8qnndmxg5b5vjlfpdqrjcb1ncqzywkc"))))
-(define-public rinutils
- (package
- (name "rinutils")
- (version "0.10.1")
- (source (origin
- (method git-fetch)
- (uri (git-reference
- (url "https://github.com/shlomif/rinutils")
- (commit version)))
- (file-name (git-file-name name version))
- (sha256
- (base32
- "0r90kncf6mvyklifpdsnm50iya7w2951nz35nlgndmqnr82gvdwf"))))
- (build-system cmake-build-system)
- (arguments
- (list #:phases
- #~(modify-phases %standard-phases
- (add-after 'unpack 'copy-cmake-modules
- (lambda _
- (copy-file #$shlomif-cmake-modules
- (string-append "cmake/"
- (strip-store-file-name
- #$shlomif-cmake-modules)))))
- (replace 'check
- (lambda* (#:key tests? #:allow-other-keys)
- (when tests?
- (with-directory-excursion "../source"
- (setenv "FCS_TEST_BUILD" "1")
- (setenv "RINUTILS_TEST_BUILD" "1")
- ;; TODO: Run tests after setting RINUTILS_TEST_TIDY to `1',
- ;; which requires tidy-all.
- ;; (setenv "RINUTILS_TEST_TIDY" "1")
- (invoke "perl"
- "CI-testing/continuous-integration-testing.pl"))))))))
- (native-inputs
- (list perl
- ;; The following are needed only for tests.
- perl-class-xsaccessor
- perl-file-find-object
- perl-io-all
- perl-test-differences
- perl-test-runvalgrind
- pkg-config))
- (inputs
- (list cmocka
- perl-env-path
- perl-inline
- perl-inline-c
- perl-string-shellquote
- perl-test-trailingspace
- perl-file-find-object-rule
- perl-text-glob
- perl-number-compare
- perl-moo))
- (home-page "https://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/projects/")
- (synopsis "C11 / gnu11 utilities C library")
- (description "This package provides C11 / gnu11 utilities C library")
- (license license:expat)))
-
(define xonotic-data
(package
(name "xonotic-data")
--
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Am Samstag, dem 23.07.2022 um 21:54 +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos:
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> On 23-07-2022 17:11, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote:
> > + (propagated-inputs (list daikichi))
>
> It's used in the Makefile, so I'd have expected native-inputs here --
> does "guix build fortunes-jkirchartz --target=aarch64-linux-gnu" or
> such work?
That's what I tried to explain in the comment above. Because I'm using
native size and endianness, cross compilation only works if the two are
the same. For example, you could theoretically cross-compile from
x86_64 to aarch64 little endian, but not from aarch64 little endian to
aarch64 big endian. IMHO that restriction is big enough to practically
make it "not cross-compilable".
That said, one of my first goals is to make it not so, particularly to
always store integers in network order (big endian), so that afterwards
only size is a concern.
> > (description "This package contains a large collection of
> > fortunes drawn
> > +from sources all around the world.")
> For the people who don't know yet what fortunes are yet, I'd
> recommend adding that these fortunes can be read with the package
> 'daikichi'.
Well, the command to read those fortunes remains "fortune" even if the
package we use is daikichi. I'm not sure if "Fortunes can be read by
the fortune command" are helpful, but perhaps "a large collection of
quotes to display with @command{fortune}" is?
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Am Samstag, dem 23.07.2022 um 21:56 +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos:
> On 23-07-2022 17:11, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote:
>
> > + (revision "2022.05.23")) ; Use a date rather than a
> > number
>
> This is a technically a possibility, but currently the convention is
> to use numbers and the number convention is expected by (guix
> upstream) and the (not yet merged, needs some finishing touches IIRC)
> latest-git updater, and AFAIK there hasn't been any discussion on
> switching to dates.
In this case I am departing from the usual convention because I think
calendar versioning is more useful for this type of content. Given the
issue that lead to this patch at all, I'm not sure if support for
automatic updates would be a good idea with this package. IMHO, it's a
feature rather than a bug that you can't accidentally pull a third of
BSD's offensive database, were it to ever land in this repo.
Should I explain this thought more clearly in the package or do
automatic updates trump ethical concerns?
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Am Samstag, dem 23.07.2022 um 21:58 +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos:
> On 23-07-2022 17:13, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote:
>
> > * gnu/packages/games.scm (fortune-mod): Delete variable.
> > * gnu/packages/toys.scm (fortune-mod): Add deprecated package
> > alias.
>
> For future readers, I believe a link to the bug report to be in
> order.
>
> > +(define-public fortune-mod
> > + (deprecated-package "fortune-mod" fortunes-jkirchartz))
> Likewise.
Will do.
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