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29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jai Flack <jflack <at> disroot.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>
Subject: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2022 11:39:17 +1000

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Greetings,

This is as discussed on emacs-devel.

I haven't heard anything back from savannah.nongnu.org about repository
approval yet for the GNU ELPA package.

-- 
Thanks,
Jai

Message #8 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Jai Flack <jflack <at> disroot.org>
Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>, 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2022 16:58:07 +0200

Jai Flack <jflack <at> disroot.org> writes:

> Subject: [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
>
> * lisp/gnus-search.el (gnus-search-mu-program): New defcustom
> (gnus-search-mu-switches): New defcustom

[...]

> I haven't heard anything back from savannah.nongnu.org about repository
> approval yet for the GNU ELPA package.

I haven't actually read the patch yet -- does this need an ELPA package
in addition to the patch included?  And I don't think the Savannah
people are involved in the GNU ELPA stuff -- we administer that
ourselves.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #11 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Corwin Brust <corwin <at> bru.st>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>, Jai Flack <jflack <at> disroot.org>,
 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 10:13:33 -0500

On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 9:59 AM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:
>
> I haven't actually read the patch yet -- does this need an ELPA package
> in addition to the patch included?  And I don't think the Savannah
> people are involved in the GNU ELPA stuff -- we administer that
> ourselves.

Savannah, given approval, would provide a source repository for the
development of this feature and also a host for a dedicated page/site
for it but, as you say Lars, would not have anything to do with adding
it to GNU (or NONGNU) ELPA.

Jai,

Can you confirm that you applied for savannah hosting because you want
a dedicated git (or SVN, etc) repo for this work or a web-page/site
for it, etc?   If you don't need those things it might be best to
cancel that submission.

Message #14 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Jai Flack <jflack <at> disroot.org>, 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2022 08:21:36 -0700

On 04/02/22 16:58 PM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Jai Flack <jflack <at> disroot.org> writes:
>
>> Subject: [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
>>
>> * lisp/gnus-search.el (gnus-search-mu-program): New defcustom
>> (gnus-search-mu-switches): New defcustom
>
> [...]
>
>> I haven't heard anything back from savannah.nongnu.org about repository
>> approval yet for the GNU ELPA package.
>
> I haven't actually read the patch yet -- does this need an ELPA package
> in addition to the patch included?  And I don't think the Savannah
> people are involved in the GNU ELPA stuff -- we administer that
> ourselves.

This was one of the questions in the original emacs.devel thread -- how
do we handle the situation where a package is both built-in and
available for installation from ELPA? Does anything special need to
happen in order to make sure the user is always using the newest
version?

Message #17 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>
To: Corwin Brust <corwin <at> bru.st>
Cc: Jai Flack <jflack <at> disroot.org>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,
 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2022 08:25:21 -0700

Corwin Brust <corwin <at> bru.st> writes:

> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 9:59 AM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't actually read the patch yet -- does this need an ELPA package
>> in addition to the patch included?  And I don't think the Savannah
>> people are involved in the GNU ELPA stuff -- we administer that
>> ourselves.
>
> Savannah, given approval, would provide a source repository for the
> development of this feature and also a host for a dedicated page/site
> for it but, as you say Lars, would not have anything to do with adding
> it to GNU (or NONGNU) ELPA.
>
> Jai,
>
> Can you confirm that you applied for savannah hosting because you want
> a dedicated git (or SVN, etc) repo for this work or a web-page/site
> for it, etc?   If you don't need those things it might be best to
> cancel that submission.

I thought you needed a user account via savannah in order to gain push
access to ELPA and Emacs? It's been a while now, but I thought my
account (ie the ability to log in here: https://savannah.gnu.org/) was
what provided that access.

Message #20 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>
Cc: Jai Flack <jflack <at> disroot.org>, 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2022 17:26:37 +0200

Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> This was one of the questions in the original emacs.devel thread -- how
> do we handle the situation where a package is both built-in and
> available for installation from ELPA? Does anything special need to
> happen in order to make sure the user is always using the newest
> version?

I'd rather have it all in-core if things are tightly coupled.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #23 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Corwin Brust <corwin <at> bru.st>
To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>
Cc: Jai Flack <jflack <at> disroot.org>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,
 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 10:28:46 -0500

On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 10:25 AM Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net> wrote:
>
>
> I thought you needed a user account via savannah in order to gain push
> access to ELPA and Emacs? It's been a while now, but I thought my
> account (ie the ability to log in here: https://savannah.gnu.org/) was
> what provided that access.

It is correct that an account on savannah is required for someone to
be granted push/committer access to Emacs (or most GNU projects).
That is completely separate from having a project registered at
savannah, however.  That latter is usually not needed unless you
require "forge" type capabilities for the project you are registering.

Message #26 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>
To: Corwin Brust <corwin <at> bru.st>
Cc: Jai Flack <jflack <at> disroot.org>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,
 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2022 09:12:16 -0700

Corwin Brust <corwin <at> bru.st> writes:

> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 10:25 AM Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I thought you needed a user account via savannah in order to gain push
>> access to ELPA and Emacs? It's been a while now, but I thought my
>> account (ie the ability to log in here: https://savannah.gnu.org/) was
>> what provided that access.
>
> It is correct that an account on savannah is required for someone to
> be granted push/committer access to Emacs (or most GNU projects).
> That is completely separate from having a project registered at
> savannah, however.  That latter is usually not needed unless you
> require "forge" type capabilities for the project you are registering.

My guess is this was just a small misunderstanding/misspeaking on Jai's
part. So far as I know they're only asking for the account.

Message #29 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Corwin Brust <corwin <at> bru.st>
To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>
Cc: Jai Flack <jflack <at> disroot.org>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,
 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 11:14:44 -0500

On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 11:12 AM Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net> wrote:
>
> My guess is this was just a small misunderstanding/misspeaking on Jai's
> part. So far as I know they're only asking for the account.

OK, thanks.  I won't close the request until Jai has a chance to
confirm but I will add a note asking to hold processing of the request
pending clarification.

Message #32 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>, 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2022 02:26:55 +0000

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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net> writes:
>
>> This was one of the questions in the original emacs.devel thread -- how
>> do we handle the situation where a package is both built-in and
>> available for installation from ELPA? Does anything special need to
>> happen in order to make sure the user is always using the newest
>> version?
>
> I'd rather have it all in-core if things are tightly coupled.

My only reason for the ELPA package was to make this available for users
of Emacs 28 (once it's released). If you don't think this is necessary
then I have no reason for the savannah project.

- -- 
Thanks,
Jai
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Message #35 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net>
To: Corwin Brust <corwin <at> bru.st>
Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>,
 Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2022 02:28:33 +0000

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Apologies if this is a duplicate email, my reply to debbugs bounced.

Corwin Brust <corwin <at> bru.st> writes:

> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 9:59 AM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't actually read the patch yet -- does this need an ELPA package
>> in addition to the patch included?  And I don't think the Savannah
>> people are involved in the GNU ELPA stuff -- we administer that
>> ourselves.
>
> Savannah, given approval, would provide a source repository for the
> development of this feature and also a host for a dedicated page/site
> for it but, as you say Lars, would not have anything to do with adding
> it to GNU (or NONGNU) ELPA.
>
> Jai,
>
> Can you confirm that you applied for savannah hosting because you want
> a dedicated git (or SVN, etc) repo for this work or a web-page/site
> for it, etc?   If you don't need those things it might be best to
> cancel that submission.

I applied for the savannah hosting so I could move the git repository
for both this and my other isearch-olc package to it, not because I
thought it was required for ELPA inclusion.

- -- 
Thanks,
Jai
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Message #38 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net>
Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>, 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2022 14:00:27 +0200

Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net> writes:

> My only reason for the ELPA package was to make this available for users
> of Emacs 28 (once it's released). If you don't think this is necessary
> then I have no reason for the savannah project.

But the in-tree things are necessary for it to work, aren't they?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #41 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>, 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2022 14:53:00 +0000

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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net> writes:
>
>> My only reason for the ELPA package was to make this available for users
>> of Emacs 28 (once it's released). If you don't think this is necessary
>> then I have no reason for the savannah project.
>
> But the in-tree things are necessary for it to work, aren't they?

No they are identical code-wise.

I'm not sure if you read the discussion on emacs-devel but the issue of
having a duplicate feature in-tree and as a package for Emacs 28 was
briefly discussed without solution.

- -- 
Thanks,
Jai
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Message #44 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net>
Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net>, 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2022 12:30:27 +0200

Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net> writes:

> I'm not sure if you read the discussion on emacs-devel but the issue of
> having a duplicate feature in-tree and as a package for Emacs 28 was
> briefly discussed without solution.

No, didn't read that.  Does that mean that the ELPA package doesn't work
in Emacs 29?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #47 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2022 12:29:13 +0000

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net> writes:
>
>> I'm not sure if you read the discussion on emacs-devel but the issue of
>> having a duplicate feature in-tree and as a package for Emacs 28 was
>> briefly discussed without solution.
>
> No, didn't read that.  Does that mean that the ELPA package doesn't work
> in Emacs 29?

The package works fine, it just redefines some symbols (to an identical
definition); I would just prefer to avoid duplicated code if possible.

I'm not sure how many users there would be of this as an ELPA package
for one Emacs version so it's very possible it's not worth the effort.

-- 
Thanks,
Jai

(Can never seem to get signed emails from Gnus that also look right in
plaintext)

Message #50 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net>
Cc: 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2022 11:15:15 +0200

Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net> writes:

> I'm not sure how many users there would be of this as an ELPA package
> for one Emacs version so it's very possible it's not worth the effort.

I think just putting it in Emacs 29 is sufficient.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #53 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2022 23:31:11 +0000

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net> writes:
>
>> I'm not sure how many users there would be of this as an ELPA package
>> for one Emacs version so it's very possible it's not worth the effort.
>
> I think just putting it in Emacs 29 is sufficient.

Right.

Any chance someone with push permission can give my patch a final
review please?

-- 
Thanks,
Jai

Message #56 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net>
Cc: 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2022 13:14:43 +0200

Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net> writes:

> Any chance someone with push permission can give my patch a final
> review please?

Looks OK to me, so I've pushed it to Emacs 29 with some minor changes to
the defcustom :types.

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Message #61 received at 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 54662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54662: 29.0.50; [PATCH] An mu backend for gnus-search
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2022 11:26:20 +0000

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Jai Flack <jflack <at> posteo.net> writes:
>
>> Any chance someone with push permission can give my patch a final
>> review please?
>
> Looks OK to me, so I've pushed it to Emacs 29 with some minor changes to
> the defcustom :types.

Thank you! 😁

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Jai

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