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[76.242.160.40]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 10-20020a5d47aa000000b00204012e4373sm21392432wrb.101.2022.03.30.09.20.45 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 30 Mar 2022 09:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Alfonso To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.1; (not (string-empty-p nil)) returns true Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 12:20:43 -0400 Message-ID: <874k3fza1w.fsf@debianx1e> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a00:1450:4864:20::434 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::434; envelope-from=erjoalgo@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x434.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, PDS_HP_HELO_NORDNS=0.659, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) The expression (not (string-empty-p nil)) returns true. This is very conuterintuitive: nil is as "empty" a value as there is! Some of the more reasonable alternatives I can think of in order of preference are: 1. (string-empty-p nil) simply returns t 2. (string-empty-p nil) raises a type error 3. subr-x.el provides a separate string-null-or-empty-p function In GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.5) of 2019-09-22, modified by Debian built on x86-grnet-01 Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12004000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) Recent messages: nil [2 times] Quit uncompressing subr-x.el.gz...done Note: file is write protected scroll-down-command: Beginning of buffer [11 times] Mark saved where search started killed: (string-empty-p sip-autosend-message) Mark set [2 times] Making completion list... 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Ernesto Alfonso writes: > The expression (not (string-empty-p nil)) returns true. This is very > conuterintuitive: nil is as "empty" a value as there is! But nil isn't a string, and the function is only (meant to be) valid for strings. It "works" for symbols by accident. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54639 Cc: 54639@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Ernesto Alfonso writes: > The expression (not (string-empty-p nil)) returns true. This is very > conuterintuitive: nil is as "empty" a value as there is! But nil isn't a string, and the function is only (meant to be) valid for strings. It "works" for symbols by accident. > Some of the more reasonable alternatives I can think of in order of > preference are: > > 1. (string-empty-p nil) simply returns t > 2. (string-empty-p nil) raises a type error We can't change how an established function works -- that would break people's code. > 3. subr-x.el provides a separate string-null-or-empty-p function That would be just (zerop (length OBJECT)), which doesn't quite seem worth having a function when the function name is longer than the expression it replaces. 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