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Fri, 25 Mar 2022 01:30:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim References: Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 09:30:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: (goncholden via's message of "Thu, 24 Mar 2022 18:19:13 +0000") Message-ID: <877d8iwi1h.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 18:19:13 +0000, goncholden via "Bug reports for G= NU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" sai= d: >> I am debugging a large file because of the following error, >> Warning (initialization): An error occurred while loading =E2=80=98/= home/goncho/.emacs=E2=80=99: >> Invalid read syntax: ) One way to work with this is to put point at the beginning of .emacs and eval (while t (forward-sexp)) That will error and tell you at what character position it=CA=BCs failing. >> In texinfo, there exists the "@ignore" and "@end ignore" tags that >> comment out sections of texinfo code. This makes it much easier to >> debug texinfo files, because one does not have to constantly comment >> every line, and with the advantage that one can leave the file almost >> intact. You can wrap blocks of code in (when nil) to achieve the same. Robert --=20 From unknown Sun Sep 21 07:50:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#54550: Debugging elisp files Resent-From: goncholden Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 08:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 54550 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Robert Pluim Cc: 54550@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: goncholden Received: via spool by 54550-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B54550.164819752132487 (code B ref 54550); Fri, 25 Mar 2022 08:39:01 +0000 Received: (at 54550) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Mar 2022 08:38:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50039 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nXfSz-0008Rv-Fj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2022 04:38:41 -0400 Received: from mail-40138.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.138]:52922) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nXfSx-0008Ri-Sh for 54550@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2022 04:38:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 08:38:31 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail; t=1648197514; bh=US+QpPuSBTMUvWH5n1K2iPu4SkfcC3ChFrHi8nCCePs=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=XCA5w6lDdDgxFot5cBAUEmjqW6qK28tAwk5EgxqG/6g3ilvofXMdNofecgne125si 81Hlf3mFwjp/ioVUmw8HJY6RvyWL/YYDoM+IfOJjcZINauAc6OdVBGrzV8rEWrOE6O U2wxQ3oHIwkzrFreq3MVSZ5Vt2TC3Qz8ZT8Sm+/lrajItTult2KA+SlwC15yKJ7P2N /Z/923XYo1BBibJEO/znOa2V8QwR7anREQXySZwv4IKlVs4BdrLe1j1M6vbvCSsvDW VVlUrxQXLLbrGQfQiY1CIpvZxynagasCiTRzNsBCtJWGo6Ihj/eQ/u4SGMT5V6nixo BzbKEieGbkdNg== From: goncholden Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <877d8iwi1h.fsf@gmail.com> References: <877d8iwi1h.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Sent with ProtonMail secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, March 25th, 2022 at 8:30 PM, Robert Pluim wro= te: > > > > > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 18:19:13 +0000, goncholden via "Bug reports= for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org= said: > > >> I am debugging a large file because of the following error, > > >> Warning (initialization): An error occurred while loading =E2=80=98/ho= me/goncho/.emacs=E2=80=99: > >> Invalid read syntax: ) > > One way to work with this is to put point at the beginning of .emacs > and eval > > (while t (forward-sexp)) > > That will error and tell you at what character position it=CA=BCs failing= . > >> In texinfo, there exists the "@ignore" and "@end ignore" tags that > >> comment out sections of texinfo code. This makes it much easier to > >> debug texinfo files, because one does not have to constantly comment > >> every line, and with the advantage that one can leave the file almost > >> intact. > You can wrap blocks of code in (when nil) to achieve the same. > Robert I cannot say that the "(when nil)" can include a chunk of defuns though, only sections within a function. 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Have you tried it? `defun' forms are no different from any other lisp form in that respect. Robert -- From unknown Sun Sep 21 07:50:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#54550: Debugging elisp files Resent-From: goncholden Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 11:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 54550 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Robert Pluim Cc: 54550@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: goncholden Received: via spool by 54550-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B54550.164820888028833 (code B ref 54550); Fri, 25 Mar 2022 11:48:02 +0000 Received: (at 54550) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Mar 2022 11:48:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50371 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nXiQC-0007Uz-2c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2022 07:48:00 -0400 Received: from mail-4318.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.18]:53129) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nXiPu-0007SQ-Q2 for 54550@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2022 07:47:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 11:47:32 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail; t=1648208855; bh=tDy6rwPDFPWNAFf9xZBNl++Zr2dU9pEx9koucsWo79A=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=jVEY3b9CztYOsIG8R7x2VfjydHpeXluKJ+k0I1dSQ0leNpW+6Z7ApFE/hkI/KbeOE 7gTjUWXeuRuemW4MHuH/eN46xDVhy/wiUqZR6L+jXNOj9e9qyv1Z1qQXBwuKOx8xak HQRVSu2aoiThczQxf4vYV1aRhzXYmbhmTzoiZxl3cS12h/zhU3uzRFcVLVN5FgOsCC fJ9HvK03ZGC1c22Ka+Rt+Qf1WqM6NIe3cQbCO9yELKhJnNcYHzc3CkN1Xm6y4NYOBi mqhtmyAJtRJlG7Vh5l/isxRbhK8n/qR2OH9Is1vnNzzr/gEHLHxNNbkliMm+hb/7ei ylmq7jDJIqpdw== From: goncholden Message-ID: <31qnhcDJShUCqzkRGAbXOLvhWjphHzcJtI773gTEjW13T-CpuK-AZnmT2TyI6QnqEr-30Ld3q3A8i-57KuTQPUmgJTGioeh9iC6Y9ybt5Yg=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87tubmv2ia.fsf@gmail.com> References: <877d8iwi1h.fsf@gmail.com> <87tubmv2ia.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, March 25th, 2022 at 8:51 PM, Robert Pluim wro= te: > > > > > > On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 08:38:31 +0000, goncholden goncholden@proto= nmail.com said: > > >> You can wrap blocks of code in (when nil) to achieve the same. > > >> Robert > > goncholden> I cannot say that the "(when nil)" can include a chunk of def= uns though, > > goncholden> only sections within a function. > > Have you tried it? `defun' forms are no different from any other lisp > form in that respect. > > Robert That sounds good. From unknown Sun Sep 21 07:50:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#54550: Debugging elisp files Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 16:23:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 54550 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: goncholden Cc: 54550@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 54550-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B54550.164822533425800 (code B ref 54550); Fri, 25 Mar 2022 16:23:03 +0000 Received: (at 54550) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Mar 2022 16:22:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52266 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nXmha-0006i4-4I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2022 12:22:14 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:43118) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nXmhX-0006hn-VW for 54550@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2022 12:22:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=hzSfBeMcimFiNRWLuBqY8I9eSgepM21xSDTwZI6hbEE=; b=C/QjACnzvNXuvTaN5oEFDmUVn5 nkN1jlskYyJEuZNornCKHMxqWFxmJWmki5w2WjH+7yjAWIcfpq6FnGK+u3Pa9EEIIYoUDOLAvaQms RSdgTrm7+3ap+JdfR4GI2Nzj+2Ruu4sa61k4Re28ulPHAZQVOwereKxVy1qCtOqgHdbk=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nXmhP-0004r7-4c; Fri, 25 Mar 2022 17:22:05 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 17:22:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: (goncholden@protonmail.com's message of "Thu, 24 Mar 2022 18:19:13 +0000") Message-ID: <87lewydmtz.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: goncholden writes: > The best way to find the problem is to use a binary space partitioning > scheme. As Robert has already noted, the easiest way to find these errors is to just go to the start of the file and hold the `C-M-f' key combination down until Emacs beeps. 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