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Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:12:50 +0000 Received: by kubenode514.mail-prod1.omega.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 1d659bfe645736d151b1ada0a6dc9243; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:12:49 +0000 (UTC) From: =?utf-8?Q?Daniel_Mart=C3=ADn?= To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Unclear explanation in the "Select Tags Table" part of the manual Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 14:12:48 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19894 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 665 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=77.238.176.206; envelope-from=mardani29@yahoo.es; helo=sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Steps to reproduce the problem: emacs -Q Eval (info "(emacs) Select Tags Table") The manual says at the beginning: "Emacs has at any time at most one =E2=80=9Cselected=E2=80=9D tags table. = All the commands for working with tags tables use the selected one." But then, later on, it says: "The tags commands use all the tags tables in the current list. If you start a new list, the new tags table is used _instead_ of others. If you add the new table to the current list, it is used _as well as_ the others." Doesn't this sound like a contradiction? I think the first sentence should say there's at most one selected "tags table _list_", right? Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 24 10:38:06 2022 Received: (at 54543) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Mar 2022 14:38:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49133 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nXObG-0005xe-Lf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 10:38:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34928) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nXObF-0005xA-3R for 54543@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 10:38:05 -0400 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=57900 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nXOb9-0001kx-QZ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 10:37:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=zeySfVrC2cJY/B8+AmQc44ocG7H7coz357wYXH0wQpk=; b=OV1rwerCFNE+myVLv83W RkNKUT89rpIjqiANWumwpXYvX7yb4SpSNcn+jllIYRaG/MKMy/ZAzBPqpfulZa97uVPfCwUluksm5 F24mMfYW9dE0b2IMG9koYnnEtX6HmCxCOt6XOtXzVkNbDk7hQGMuPCb52I63pGzlghJ/2AlwqizEH IkTjRjxEpXnXpqTgmiSWexTWQGgCEy/1lti7xn+uh6bGgMdtqCrXlDPWhHht33gAeBWlff7riXT03 ELL5enD8vOkkW1NtiRBWm2fBppVCaJVuK0BpCzgzrgY7herTrEPdFSCofNElc7jTr4cSEZ751EddW X5WQxI2Ypa0waw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2186 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nXOb8-00087r-OD; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 10:37:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:37:51 +0200 Message-Id: <83pmmbct6o.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Daniel =?utf-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn?= In-Reply-To: (bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org) Subject: Re: bug#54543: Unclear explanation in the "Select Tags Table" part of the manual References: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54543 Cc: 54543@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 14:12:48 +0100 > From: Daniel Martín via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" > > > Steps to reproduce the problem: > > emacs -Q > Eval (info "(emacs) Select Tags Table") > > The manual says at the beginning: > > "Emacs has at any time at most one “selected” tags table. All the > commands for working with tags tables use the selected one." > > But then, later on, it says: > > "The tags commands use all the tags tables > in the current list. If you start a new list, the new tags table is > used _instead_ of others. If you add the new table to the current list, > it is used _as well as_ the others." > > Doesn't this sound like a contradiction? I think the first sentence > should say there's at most one selected "tags table _list_", right? No. There's both the "selected" tags table and the "current set of tags table" (what you call "tags table list"). The text is indeed a bit confusing, because it leads to this interpretation, but the way to fix it is different from what you thought. Hmm... 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Hmm... I've now tried to fix this on the emacs-28 branch, please take a look. 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Hmm... > > I've now tried to fix this on the emacs-28 branch, please take a look. Thanks, the text is much more understandable now. 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Hmm... > > > > I've now tried to fix this on the emacs-28 branch, please take a look. > > Thanks, the text is much more understandable now. Ok, so I'm closing this bug. Thanks. From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:21:03 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 11:24:08 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator