From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 21 10:42:04 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Mar 2022 14:42:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37779 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nWJES-0005Ja-5m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 10:42:04 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:44078) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nWJEQ-0005JH-9E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 10:42:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55720) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nWJEQ-0007kW-2T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 10:42:02 -0400 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([217.72.192.75]:54051) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nWJEO-0000fz-7C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 10:42:01 -0400 Received: from [192.168.178.54] ([89.247.171.251]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MHWvH-1nJRBP10kL-00DUlm for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:41:58 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:41:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.5.0 Content-Language: en-US To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_R=c3=b6hler?= Subject: Subject: 28.0.92; wrong info for RET Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:XqOLsP1ceFCgejMAHJJz91QvBpOKJvZhinfYVi4aLOJ3A3pBxu1 f5HSUJzJ+Jcru/XtJElLPf4Vn4zc6Qja/d/l/FOdhmVhIpI38H7ZmqiyEn9CIVZuo0qTwgs ZAbtODTiMfPZIANBh7PniVBXDt4SZjYwMdIJiCV0cMSgvaZiHbddAs+gUIMiYmJnfaNpnDI YvXnfRVvn33rXfKfwSmIw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:vgKTO2JyDq0=:OUFqtljlwzyF8uDEXzoJHK M539ZqlZFht+l7s6cHLy+EiIaC9iZWhGvhrSeu/36fU2/TeLz4TdbxGnbitYHpmqN4qxIYkkM UwNEj+fnARLAhJ83gfJifqFWCZXCviZs5k5Ht5VjAAvtHXzV2MXRRTem7u47oG00U9Kvn+OFW UX6bQUV8Dc1tVPhBgYbWx4zkqaiFM4wnm4AeaEJIzt5x/TgSRJy63NBm9wAa2ubkyeCVYAwCb 0qAH+lZjag0rjseIGyOxg+hqi26EuZM0zp64/Iq6e0aywneeXOjc8BxjlLj/St8xGyS8+GalK SpEy0XgSxRxaWVWKenbqyO7bZNxCXLkgG/ygGSPEGctQA9I7C5iXbFcnxUci5TS3zxqXNL2/U iBR2ej2ltxVyxMWvYzYs+qNsMTUeICk6cRSfS9+r+CNgsgtiU5xvb0evdfLJvPt+hv/GMUx/A 9TGPBDZ6Irfgpa1eqviud/vk+tdTmr8KTUsTEsmywlWIzXOzUPvTz4qQ6Gd2M/JbXWl+65yIA WLAuWDnyqhdwRcYJBFxoJrMU94KTG8PAhqOpM+ezdxqQIzahowd9Mh4reCQoEPLNEhFbaxOav PKzeN7bISzwQUn2uQF6qBGfnC5QE8WMQ/h02OAQ+gtAf+U+B29/sWItRLgAbNULCuiWbxOINn vnWKZ+FjaZLUyMkv/L4rhCNSFPyRxESD1PNlAdgC3lgPjB0LkJcayzlauk6gH6Ly/HlWUtet9 jmyUpLqHcyNdhgDY Received-SPF: none client-ip=217.72.192.75; envelope-from=andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de; helo=mout.kundenserver.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) C-h k RET tells [...] Insert a newline, and move to left margin of the new line. ---- "Left margin"  is not the case from Emacs -Q, where it indents that newline. In GNU Emacs 28.0.92 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.32, cairo version 1.16.0)  of 2022-03-14 built on affe Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12013000 System Description: Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS Configured using:  'configure --with-json --with-modules --with-mailutils' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XPM GTK2 ZLIB Important settings:   value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8   locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Shell-script Minor modes in effect:   shell-dirtrack-mode: t   sh-electric-here-document-mode: t   tooltip-mode: t   global-eldoc-mode: t   show-paren-mode: t   electric-indent-mode: t   mouse-wheel-mode: t   tool-bar-mode: t   menu-bar-mode: t   file-name-shadow-mode: t   global-font-lock-mode: t   font-lock-mode: t   blink-cursor-mode: t   auto-composition-mode: t   auto-encryption-mode: t   auto-compression-mode: t   line-number-mode: t   indent-tabs-mode: t   transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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The doc strings says more than that. It also says: If ‘electric-indent-mode’ is enabled, this indents the final new line that it adds, and reindents the preceding line. To just insert a newline, use M-x electric-indent-just-newline. And if you evaluate electric-indent-mode, you will see that it is enabled in your case. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 21 12:34:30 2022 Received: (at 54502) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Mar 2022 16:34:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37949 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nWKzG-0006J9-JG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:34:30 -0400 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.10]:40983) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nWKzE-0006It-Eo for 54502@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:34:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.178.54] ([89.247.171.251]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mwwm5-1oHIjl0kPL-00yQZo; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:34:22 +0100 Message-ID: <71c8e0f2-502b-aed1-b4db-eb2aec86fdc5@easy-emacs.de> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:34:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.5.0 Subject: Re: bug#54502: Subject: 28.0.92; wrong info for RET Content-Language: en-US To: Eli Zaretskii References: <83mthjfj7v.fsf@gnu.org> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_R=c3=b6hler?= In-Reply-To: <83mthjfj7v.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:LQEuirmnCul4qZEk55IkdTwItm8MiVPk8+DVWAB+e58IhpOqnLh jer/MwMtta/ouR9wVKmm4ly/KOE2zGBEoCXPg2UWYMQVHWuuJTjZ9qE96G5av0aprypMVD0 VKm+1XE2y4gEmQDXoyow+vgH5J4fYQ7pcvdpCs5NDzAUTwFmGc2zLbUhXlYHRbfV3zoLFN+ zAylHOd6Fx8Gg7+TiZLfA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:wQFpWtJ/LuM=:Asn/wmxF1P+cvnfgmnGSBW HCpJlbT3rBGpo98Rl5+9H54bQ4TwpmVI7FOYHFDzRgXmGSb1Xkmulpmu9aYUqb1SGggzER7Bv 6NLfa2cstxqDr+xU7QT43Arel5HawF3DgRi79uw7xHT4fC5NhgxTb2SUe9iZfbFFtcWjuAcmb QB/jZ04qv3VL/ItSK59QkSyoR2kx5OZ1hqUU/sVLUr0BcgaU4zvYr3aehtw8fnQKuyM6fLc+6 1+IGUHggaBcJjq4J9LpP77XnPjXgVsDVmye6wHuXSeh6+3tE0Yd7kxPluOHbXtllLTzU65q5x z3PznUpaBaLQXAU9DC4VfeGTGZ6/3bdWIfzsYPB0NFS4zPA6zFdzn1f80PVJXxuK9UKM85FEI G7AZGoRCFg8c+pizAZkZ1WFFyxvHfVE1ZK2UZU2xHQ3F4bJFloFBGouHosL9SX2hlf+ew9hf0 HArcCrwfrm24z1ggpDbtTqf/apkeF1R2CGVTR3+zOtG25ZEJdIKsjvOlQoWOwnIy0kgzFuOWw xp0n1JmcrD1OFCPq1z5gzWIWk5IcxKEXlNWepgnu/BDQHx+tSlFB1Sh6bNkDUDawUNnJdiPZ9 yV4qgj5No+ZSzRTc6yibmBq5L8J0eYJnPHQAWauSCR3EeC/r+0xQ5ICGepJrKmQC83dnlehe0 P7BC13eS3JhPDxvX1GVBBE1tnCwg5uv3tHQIDCOc0MXQDUlz28sLinn81h87zsI9DtR16Yp6D AYwx1D8zG1GyqCkp X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54502 Cc: 54502@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am 21.03.22 um 15:55 schrieb Eli Zaretskii: >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:41:57 +0100 >> From: Andreas Röhler >> >> C-h k RET tells >> >> [...] >> Insert a newline, and move to left margin of the new line. >> >> ---- >> >> "Left margin"  is not the case from Emacs -Q, where it indents that newline. > The doc strings says more than that. It also says: > > If ‘electric-indent-mode’ is enabled, this indents the final new line > that it adds, and reindents the preceding line. To just insert > a newline, use M-x electric-indent-just-newline. > > And if you evaluate electric-indent-mode, you will see that it is > enabled in your case. So the first line does not express the default, but the customized case. Don't think it's good. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 21 12:56:10 2022 Received: (at 54502) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Mar 2022 16:56:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37984 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nWLKE-0000df-1b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:56:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34584) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nWLK9-0000d7-WB for 54502@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:56:09 -0400 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=46126 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nWLK4-0006VS-Mk; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:56:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=IT026xQspOM3NUx9o0ST4rMkCO5xvCTxG8kGjYCD4Yw=; b=CfzsZfkLOb7fxrf+QRH1 EIRkoe7VH69SDtMekH1MXgRUCAN2L3M3cISI6IVh0Kqu/zNbSTEaQ1CuTd1Ue44RB0ZxSA0UOjtuj VdtvYyBWzalyJuF5tVBR03g6qlShxfp5kgpesaAHVxx7ih7H0ii0EmugbPmFkuMonfdClxFCFvNQh Lu9j9sq8K260C/IbDhgOAXQWDcZFb52GEJM7FK0wNlgTA7bYeIN162COZdjz5ECY2oR2Ph3TERbLh widHmFqU3wRlmYCJAu5XYQtvymkdj2Umy20z35tfMzkQQAJs57h/FWKa/PgM+7eAGsvuiTHmeM7gP iyOPlPGSQBwDKA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2932 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nWLK4-0000Cb-BX; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:56:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 18:55:45 +0200 Message-Id: <83ils7fdny.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Andreas =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= In-Reply-To: <71c8e0f2-502b-aed1-b4db-eb2aec86fdc5@easy-emacs.de> (message from Andreas =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= on Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:34:21 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#54502: Subject: 28.0.92; wrong info for RET References: <83mthjfj7v.fsf@gnu.org> <71c8e0f2-502b-aed1-b4db-eb2aec86fdc5@easy-emacs.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54502 Cc: 54502@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:34:21 +0100 > Cc: 54502@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Andreas Röhler > > > Am 21.03.22 um 15:55 schrieb Eli Zaretskii: > >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:41:57 +0100 > >> From: Andreas Röhler > >> > >> C-h k RET tells > >> > >> [...] > >> Insert a newline, and move to left margin of the new line. > >> > >> ---- > >> > >> "Left margin"  is not the case from Emacs -Q, where it indents that newline. > > The doc strings says more than that. It also says: > > > > If ‘electric-indent-mode’ is enabled, this indents the final new line > > that it adds, and reindents the preceding line. To just insert > > a newline, use M-x electric-indent-just-newline. > > > > And if you evaluate electric-indent-mode, you will see that it is > > enabled in your case. > > > So the first line does not express the default, but the customized case. > > Don't think it's good. It does describe the default, but electric-indent-mode is nowadays turned on in many modes. Thus the addition. 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Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> So the first line does not express the default, but the customized case. >> >> Don't think it's good. > > It does describe the default, but electric-indent-mode is nowadays > turned on in many mode [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54502 Cc: 54502@debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> So the first line does not express the default, but the customized case. >> >> Don't think it's good. > > It does describe the default, but electric-indent-mode is nowadays > turned on in many modes. Thus the addition. For instance, in `fundamental-mode' there's no electric-indent-mode, so RET does what it says in the first line. 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