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Subject: 28.0.92; wrong info for RET

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From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Subject: 28.0.92; wrong info for RET
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:41:57 +0100

C-h k RET tells

[...]
Insert a newline, and move to left margin of the new line.

----

"Left margin"  is not the case from Emacs -Q, where it indents that newline.

In GNU Emacs 28.0.92 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 
2.24.32, cairo version 1.16.0)
 of 2022-03-14 built on affe
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Message #8 received at 54502 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
Cc: 54502 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54502: Subject: 28.0.92; wrong info for RET
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 16:55:48 +0200

> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:41:57 +0100
> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
> 
> C-h k RET tells
> 
> [...]
> Insert a newline, and move to left margin of the new line.
> 
> ----
> 
> "Left margin"  is not the case from Emacs -Q, where it indents that newline.

The doc strings says more than that.  It also says:

  If ‘electric-indent-mode’ is enabled, this indents the final new line
  that it adds, and reindents the preceding line.  To just insert
  a newline, use M-x electric-indent-just-newline.

And if you evaluate electric-indent-mode, you will see that it is
enabled in your case.

Message #11 received at 54502 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 54502 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54502: Subject: 28.0.92; wrong info for RET
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:34:21 +0100

Am 21.03.22 um 15:55 schrieb Eli Zaretskii:
>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:41:57 +0100
>> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
>>
>> C-h k RET tells
>>
>> [...]
>> Insert a newline, and move to left margin of the new line.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> "Left margin"  is not the case from Emacs -Q, where it indents that newline.
> The doc strings says more than that.  It also says:
>
>    If ‘electric-indent-mode’ is enabled, this indents the final new line
>    that it adds, and reindents the preceding line.  To just insert
>    a newline, use M-x electric-indent-just-newline.
>
> And if you evaluate electric-indent-mode, you will see that it is
> enabled in your case.


So the first line does not express the default, but the customized case.

Don't think it's good.

Message #14 received at 54502 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
Cc: 54502 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54502: Subject: 28.0.92; wrong info for RET
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 18:55:45 +0200

> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 17:34:21 +0100
> Cc: 54502 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
> 
> 
> Am 21.03.22 um 15:55 schrieb Eli Zaretskii:
> >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:41:57 +0100
> >> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
> >>
> >> C-h k RET tells
> >>
> >> [...]
> >> Insert a newline, and move to left margin of the new line.
> >>
> >> ----
> >>
> >> "Left margin"  is not the case from Emacs -Q, where it indents that newline.
> > The doc strings says more than that.  It also says:
> >
> >    If ‘electric-indent-mode’ is enabled, this indents the final new line
> >    that it adds, and reindents the preceding line.  To just insert
> >    a newline, use M-x electric-indent-just-newline.
> >
> > And if you evaluate electric-indent-mode, you will see that it is
> > enabled in your case.
> 
> 
> So the first line does not express the default, but the customized case.
> 
> Don't think it's good.

It does describe the default, but electric-indent-mode is nowadays
turned on in many modes.  Thus the addition.

Message #17 received at 54502 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 54502 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
Subject: Re: bug#54502: Subject: 28.0.92; wrong info for RET
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 18:12:03 +0100

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> So the first line does not express the default, but the customized case.
>> 
>> Don't think it's good.
>
> It does describe the default, but electric-indent-mode is nowadays
> turned on in many modes.  Thus the addition.

For instance, in `fundamental-mode' there's no electric-indent-mode, so
RET does what it says in the first line.

So I don't think there's anything to fix here, and I'm closing this bug
report.

-- 
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