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But it is only available in English. It would be great to be able to translate it, for example by setting some translation strings. One way to get the initial steps could be to have (bindings--define-key ...) check a table of known translations and use a translated string if available. A more advanced method would be shelling out to gettext to benefit from existing translation platforms. Here=E2=80=99s an unclean proof of concept that might break your Emacs and = is not fit for Emacs itself due to using advice: (defun translate-bindings (orig-fun &rest args) (let* ((menu (nth 0 args)) (key (nth 1 args)) (entry (nth 2 args)) (new-entry (cond ((and (< 1 (length entry)) (stringp (nth 0 entry))) (let ((name (nth 0 entry))) (cons (concat "translated: " name) (cdr entry)))) ((and (< 2 (length entry)) (stringp (nth 1 entry))) (let ((name (nth 1 entry))) (cons (car entry) (cons (concat "translated: " name= ) (cdr (cdr entry)))))) (t entry)))) (print (and (< 2 (length entry)) (stringp (nth 1 entry)))) (print new-entry) (apply orig-fun menu key (list new-entry)))) (advice-add 'bindings--define-key :around #'translate-bindings) (require 'menu-bar) (bindings--define-key global-map [menu-bar edit] (cons "Edit" menu-bar-edit-menu)) Best wishes, Arne =2D-=20 Unpolitisch sein hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein, ohne es zu merken. draketo.de --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJEBAEBCAAuFiEE801qEjXQSQPNItXAE++NRSQDw+sFAmIXQygQHGFybmVfYmFi QHdlYi5kZQAKCRAT741FJAPD64lcD/9gUj5s7Rfcjhm3B9N6F/2Iz0IKVVm6Dp7V 1dJ2oeljd4JInhJQJkNR+8coqkJooe+edIaVKv0nBSs/BCfwZbi0amEybFxfzWnO YS/+Zw/tY0/D46GD4fJzG5cYC/HSJiMYY68Lj0sRPc6/yaYkFXqzfDoGT1SEj7Yi j6Z3Bz6JgIvDOqlMyXekh/4XLqk0SkvXZPLubp4C7oGfTBsC8HoJGtdEJ04vajVR vhhI3kFSK0X7jCzgnFRN1b7zYtEHPaA50DTEGs6QzRbY+e6/GLQyYxckTxKhRVWE bRj/4qgPdlbxeUefzTB268Xnoo54cBl737Axxg7TviLLGFZpNLIeaR2sSWbSnJX1 r4ViYUUJQkyRlxkpy226CVbtA2KGrmlVaNGrTew47umf5octzda46+hawHOUmz5P iGjs0zvmGb7Hh/5LARP0qDa5UHfK0CBJMkQGyhMTvZBd7SHOhUblZAx/sy17K7/o 7MayMEzm+DY5IZha9nRULPioP5qXYykpbp8SEV2hfgvyFWCE17rTHZmU5ldapinY o0f+u2m5nMsONR5ePS4zk4K2dh/0qAZVgTosH8WK8LLGTVYpS2zAcxsfIG8VJ2Fd x+QqxgGO8Ldnr/g9O6YYC6jOWMdb14wgGbFQMxeOmV3A+nxylqNMCjG+CfPubTPA OWITIc1lzIjEBAEBCAAuFiEE3Si95tmHXKvOSosd3M8NswvBBUgFAmIXQygQHGFy bmVfYmFiQHdlYi5kZQAKCRDczw2zC8EFSPeeA/0TxnVvc1rNvDg6NWNEJs52jHIg irQcq/IyadRUdgsFpro28H36uJgVTO75Lv+ZxqEnKIkEoE9sviOQPnCDKXXDHnUp 5APr4/HrTwt/cdj48ywB18bnZZ+b8D515v079NoRkDVx5p98n5eAukMpeUQYBovo lDRDP8C4Gj6Kje6hJQ== =ukLm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 24 04:34:53 2022 Received: (at 54139) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Feb 2022 09:34:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47587 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nNAWT-0001aY-6U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2022 04:34:53 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:43534) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nNAWR-0001a9-CU for 54139@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2022 04:34:51 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=JaZcqbWx3Frgj/gVYelofAt4+jzDCA6W32BA67+bVG0=; b=o+/wl7X0+3gnMOf8m86VHN1I95 ayT3EK2/JRsafAtU47JEs8dN5Ueamuw54kEqR930J0CLMdTBy5wOrMs3Eoe/v7+ECj9YvgaDgjWmX xFSsO0qp9OOyCvWHMttCA1W933b4AbNiDJKyyNjRSj3vusShhRsBsIhQNHSwIpwoMQCg=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nNAWI-00040c-4o; Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:34:44 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" Subject: Re: bug#54139: 27.2; Translating the Emacs Menu References: <875yp4ll22.fsf@web.de> X-Now-Playing: Bobbie Gentry's _The Girl From Chickasaw County (6): Fancy_: "Wedding Bell Blues (Alternate Take)" Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:34:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: <875yp4ll22.fsf@web.de> (Arne Babenhauserheide's message of "Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:30:34 +0100") Message-ID: <8735k84ngu.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" writes: > For newcomers the Menu is very useful to start into Emacs. But it is > only available in English. > > It would be great to be able to translate it, for example by setting > some translation strings. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54139 Cc: 54139@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" writes: > For newcomers the Menu is very useful to start into Emacs. But it is > only available in English. > > It would be great to be able to translate it, for example by setting > some translation strings. I don't think translating just the menus would help much -- for this to make sense, we'd need to internationalise the source code so that messages are also localised. 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Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I don't think translating just the menus would help much -- for this to > make sense, we'd need to internationalise the source code so that > messages are also localised. > > And there's an etc/TODO [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54139 Cc: 54139@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I don't think translating just the menus would help much -- for this to > make sense, we'd need to internationalise the source code so that > messages are also localised. > > And there's an etc/TODO item for that. 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I think there is a point to that: Users who do not need the full commands of Emacs translated, but simply want the efficient large-file handling and fontification.=20 A translated menu and a toolbar make this much easier. Another group are those who speak some English, but have an easier time reading their native language. When reading English at a word per second, a translated menu helps a lot already, but messages can still be deciphered when needed. 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