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27.2; Translating the Emacs Menu

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From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab <at> web.de>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 27.2; Translating the Emacs Menu
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:30:34 +0100

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For newcomers the Menu is very useful to start into Emacs. But it is
only available in English.

It would be great to be able to translate it, for example by setting
some translation strings.

One way to get the initial steps could be to have (bindings--define-key
...) check a table of known translations and use a translated string if
available.

A more advanced method would be shelling out to gettext to benefit from
existing translation platforms.

Here’s an unclean proof of concept that might break your Emacs and is
not fit for Emacs itself due to using advice:

(defun translate-bindings (orig-fun &rest args)
  (let* ((menu (nth 0 args))
         (key (nth 1 args))
         (entry (nth 2 args))
         (new-entry (cond
                     ((and (< 1 (length entry)) (stringp (nth 0 entry)))
                      (let ((name (nth 0 entry)))
                        (cons (concat "translated: " name) (cdr entry))))
                     ((and (< 2 (length entry)) (stringp (nth 1 entry)))
                      (let ((name (nth 1 entry)))
                        (cons (car entry) (cons (concat "translated: " name) (cdr (cdr entry))))))
                     (t entry))))
    (print (and (< 2 (length entry)) (stringp (nth 1 entry))))
    (print new-entry)
    (apply orig-fun menu key (list new-entry))))
(advice-add 'bindings--define-key :around #'translate-bindings)
(require 'menu-bar)
(bindings--define-key global-map [menu-bar edit]
   (cons "Edit" menu-bar-edit-menu))

Best wishes,
Arne


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Message #8 received at 54139 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab <at> web.de>
Cc: 54139 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54139: 27.2; Translating the Emacs Menu
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:34:41 +0100

"Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab <at> web.de> writes:

> For newcomers the Menu is very useful to start into Emacs. But it is
> only available in English.
>
> It would be great to be able to translate it, for example by setting
> some translation strings.

I don't think translating just the menus would help much -- for this to
make sense, we'd need to internationalise the source code so that
messages are also localised.

And there's an etc/TODO item for that.

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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab <at> web.de>
Cc: 54139 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54139: 27.2; Translating the Emacs Menu
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 17:37:40 +0100

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> I don't think translating just the menus would help much -- for this to
> make sense, we'd need to internationalise the source code so that
> messages are also localised.
>
> And there's an etc/TODO item for that.

So I'm closing this bug report.

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Message #18 received at 54139 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab <at> web.de>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 54139 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#54139: 27.2; Translating the Emacs Menu
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2022 23:43:46 +0100

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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:
>
>> I don't think translating just the menus would help much -- for this to
>> make sense, we'd need to internationalise the source code so that
>> messages are also localised.

I think there is a point to that: Users who do not need the full
commands of Emacs translated, but simply want the efficient large-file
handling and fontification. 

A translated menu and a toolbar make this much easier.

Another group are those who speak some English, but have an easier time
reading their native language. When reading English at a word per
second, a translated menu helps a lot already, but messages can still be
deciphered when needed.

Best wishes,
Arne
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heißt politisch sein,
ohne es zu merken.
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