From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:48:21 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#5408 <5408@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#5408 <5408@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: date-to-time problem Reply-To: bug#5408 <5408@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 14:48:21 +0000 retitle 5408 date-to-time problem reassign 5408 emacs submitter 5408 Lennart Borgman severity 5408 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 17 18:13:10 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2010 23:13:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWeIw-0006mX-93 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:13:10 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWeIv-0006mQ-1e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:13:09 -0500 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:39545 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWeIr-0000UK-7D for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:13:05 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NWeIq-0006Dv-0i for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:13:04 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on monty-python X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from mail-fx0-f228.google.com ([209.85.220.228]:48573) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NWeIp-0006DT-6t for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:13:03 -0500 Received: by fxm28 with SMTP id 28so383864fxm.26 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:13:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=B40PA1jiU/GNsosIOV+lVCmIiOGAJimrsiytDcEp+8g=; b=w22G3dvpdOe0R+sdT+UX99Ucujrp6crwehVQbWuAGK3KRI1QDcap1pXSrVqCDl8WFf rUTZ0Q86z6Ql9yoqHxe4h9SNa4dUDEraPm/F24MehACZ+YLLIiwXJ3vUauAN1cr3LdSP k0ogdtixIHjIbUyPeeXchesd1OOrH5WQq56/U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=cfrgxydEImdcF+oCQuOJs6AZ4nVMES6l4oFVwiYDaHpqfEpdg1cYY0/IT4hJ31lE3/ 4torwrolklJPolufE8+V2vUPaPeTmBLr04GP+sv6YCw5wqIMhBgWUUApv1mojJb4VwWk gbHJEi0zBVE9fuTLvX1z5CRTiGLy9ueTZXN6A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.190.66 with SMTP id w2mr598850hbh.61.1263769982119; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:13:02 -0800 (PST) From: Lennart Borgman Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:12:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: date-to-time problem To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) Evaluating this (current-time-string (date-to-time "Sun Jan 17 22:39:58 2010")) Gives "Sun Jan 17 23:39:58 2010" Is not this one hour wrong? In GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-10-15 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 17 18:53:08 2010 Received: (at 5408) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2010 23:53:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWevc-0007k0-K0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:53:08 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWeva-0007jf-Fz for 5408@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:53:07 -0500 Received: from mail01.m-online.net (mail.m-online.net [192.168.3.149]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6561C0011F; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:53:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from igel.home (DSL01.83.171.180.243.ip-pool.NEFkom.net [83.171.180.243]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC9E901B5; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:53:01 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id 913C2CA294; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:53:01 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: Lennart Borgman Subject: Re: bug#5408: date-to-time problem References: X-Yow: Mary Tyler Moore's SEVENTH HUSBAND is wearing my DACRON TANK TOP in a cheap hotel in HONOLULU! Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:53:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:12:42 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5408 Cc: 5408@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) Lennart Borgman writes: > Evaluating this > > (current-time-string (date-to-time "Sun Jan 17 22:39:58 2010")) This lacks a time zone, so GMT is assumed. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 17 18:53:52 2010 Received: (at 5408) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2010 23:53:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWewJ-0007kH-PB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:53:51 -0500 Received: from pantheon-po39.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.100]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWewH-0007k8-ST for 5408@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:53:50 -0500 Received: from furry (dhcp128036014123.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.123]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po39.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o0HNrjMI025301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:53:46 -0500 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 04C90C05D; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:53:46 -0700 (MST) From: Chong Yidong To: Lennart Borgman Subject: Re: bug#5408: date-to-time problem References: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:53:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:12:42 +0100") Message-ID: <87fx64uw3a.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5408 Cc: 5408@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Lennart Borgman writes: > Evaluating this > > (current-time-string (date-to-time "Sun Jan 17 22:39:58 2010")) > > Gives > > "Sun Jan 17 23:39:58 2010" > > Is not this one hour wrong? Magic 8-ball says that you are living one time zone east of Greenwich. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 17 18:54:11 2010 Received: (at 5408) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2010 23:54:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWewQ-0007kR-UN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:54:11 -0500 Received: from mail-bw0-f222.google.com ([209.85.218.222]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWewO-0007kF-Li for 5408@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:53:57 -0500 Received: by bwz22 with SMTP id 22so660975bwz.5 for <5408@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:53:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=gCGNYomYWyckPtUif4I53YU526FLr/ar0aCPRCWf14M=; b=O66xlt4v4dSbEBOISP8g2tXE4IImw/E0KOzO7uIYkEKL3UFn/HHrWdI62wdVY8c2DM 3gVk4kE1jiKnsxYj2w9RjjqMGVewBXmdXBUVqlKZ3IjW7r0Kqro7cqtCbST5V1BGMORp 4ZejMj4KaLaYC8bP6SPVEfwpydztvYAUEdc44= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=jHYjs2DWOtdTnjyXIBr+AxSnSSifCHi1LUHayGKgJZTNPZCXMsiZLiUTqBlPhmPYFs Ayg00Mio11Fo+LHfymO4pDKE0UNIiv615BqhotxR227Yy0vsM81YxUrttCKB1CgWA77p jppjYg9/iq810qMeR3EXqahRmksK9Lrs00cGE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.11.13 with SMTP id r13mr3059306bkr.45.1263772432080; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:53:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:53:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#5408: date-to-time problem To: Lennart Borgman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5408 Cc: 5408@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 00:12, Lennart Borgman wrote: > Is not this one hour wrong? `date-to-time' calls `timezone-make-date-arpa-standard', but does not pass it local timezone info, so it assumes GMT. Compare ELISP> (timezone-make-date-arpa-standard "Sun Jan 17 22:39:58 2010") "17 Jan 2010 23:39:58 +0100" ELISP> (timezone-make-date-arpa-standard "Sun Jan 17 22:39:58 2010" "GMT+1") "17 Jan 2010 22:39:58 +0100" Juanma From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 17 19:00:51 2010 Received: (at 5408) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2010 00:00:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWf35-0007nd-4X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:00:51 -0500 Received: from mail-fx0-f226.google.com ([209.85.220.226]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWf31-0007nW-M8 for 5408@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:00:49 -0500 Received: by fxm26 with SMTP id 26so463193fxm.39 for <5408@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:00:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=L9E/BCVOvx8kizxdTKdFECGXDVAE8S948hSmyGTIMKE=; b=n2Gzs3Z48/N+nVbitva2RUJp6H1aMn2P9cFRZPtAF03IT6mLIIAZURMpb+nMaEcCGW lvcBWXKRzvN9IuANg6Olkk6oLC1295Q6vCFtkJhJMVH1X+02B6TLmTiaqASV07AzGTg3 UweQIpgky+rItsHOQEgKtFRtvCl7IIYgDYQv8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=r88l/9gqhFuGWF++1HTzlniZm1efTV/ja9s3nGA/FRbNg1b1usl2QsGtjYU+o3KUQj +zrPCr73AKU08ZuKAUKbp4g2Dn1S/LqN/RshuSAycCwieVC/l8U+vinJURS/1gb4x3Kl DGgRTgy/2s2wZvMlc6/+pUA4YXcMl7jocBaGY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.9 with SMTP id i9mr536736hbe.76.1263772843122; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:00:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Lennart Borgman Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 01:00:23 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#5408: date-to-time problem To: Juanma Barranquero Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5408 Cc: 5408@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:53 AM, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 00:12, Lennart Borgman > wrote: > >> Is not this one hour wrong? > > `date-to-time' calls `timezone-make-date-arpa-standard', but does not > pass it local timezone info, so it assumes GMT. > > Compare > > ELISP> (timezone-make-date-arpa-standard "Sun Jan 17 22:39:58 2010") > "17 Jan 2010 23:39:58 +0100" > ELISP> (timezone-make-date-arpa-standard "Sun Jan 17 22:39:58 2010" "GMT+1") > "17 Jan 2010 22:39:58 +0100" Ok, thanks for all the answers. But date-to-time does not say that it assumes GMT. And current-time-string does not say it will give my local time. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 18 10:10:20 2010 Received: (at 5408) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2010 15:10:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWtFD-0008JX-Aq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:10:19 -0500 Received: from mail-bw0-f222.google.com ([209.85.218.222]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWtFC-0008JO-98 for 5408@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:10:18 -0500 Received: by bwz22 with SMTP id 22so1095170bwz.5 for <5408@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:10:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=zQs3Gx/M3KNjVJ9H71EevDIzr6skHeifeVkhIvQEeyQ=; b=xDA66V8Swt37Ibxh9w/GbtszbD+XOD1BENSHALl2KpLCPNqSy3kFprEDAQobaiR4AI tpfAzpSBlYYVIiEwwK6MxHSOoxGckC0R4ih4HZ0/SKVHGbIT+8Y3WLSj1yPliE66+vvM KwxseEtYZmZy3fEVJ8nhvhoE7XyN9G++b2sbU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=CmILtFUBfKpQthFMBEi81TT4N0AL0VYN8Z6srQPmOzwBrhz0cydG5DbYCsm/TWZKL+ 8oBlJuU2WfLW1hOEgA06wqfN5r75b8jum+DErFckmdouBbQlGzHm5wiDxC4dsr92aS4c jHVEincasbnA2/tkOm6SaH4kveiSv1EqMOcL0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.15.138 with SMTP id k10mr2091257bka.27.1263827412202; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:10:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:09:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#5408: date-to-time problem To: Lennart Borgman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5408 Cc: 5408@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 01:00, Lennart Borgman wrote: > But date-to-time does not say that it assumes GMT. No. Perhaps it should. > And current-time-string does not say it will give my local time. It seems fair to default to your local timezone. Note that there's also a `current-time-zone', so ELISP> (current-time-zone) (3600 "+0100") ELISP> (current-time-zone (date-to-time "Sun Jan 17 22:39:58 2010")) (3600 "+0100") Juanma From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 18 10:12:25 2010 Received: (at 5408) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2010 15:12:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWtHE-0008Kx-NQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:12:24 -0500 Received: from mail-fx0-f226.google.com ([209.85.220.226]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWtHC-0008Kn-Ev for 5408@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:12:22 -0500 Received: by fxm26 with SMTP id 26so993163fxm.39 for <5408@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:12:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gz2OW1GarPQJrpAlpYnF3GQzOpj3H6dy9TAyKccSDxQ=; b=uQ2JKyijU594NNycGVjCcHtTycnIMg+UwN29zUera6EmP8vvhGlwgrnJxE6z5YsVPu OLSPkrOCe0c6j6L8gG48+bfJViTNkGIdHYXlZKAdmAhsmVbZfQixjfD0pICzn2jqBw/F fw/R6DlbaBJgixyhUhkCbbTASIxpwEAjMArpI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bfgxFlu5VJh7OlPbH/W+vUG5BtIyOxTjJifCFZXufWsjhzbS3XsSQFkhnDxeyyCstC l4Dubku8fdErfFu+VtYa95pATgU4yqU8sgxjDxoG6FvebimYumYUhL4vfzpZOnrz4Ggd H/+fVr5jOcft/CvSWFnxldz4U9g1wmVvUmVxk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.142.10 with SMTP id e10mr640390hba.82.1263827537088; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:12:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Lennart Borgman Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:11:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#5408: date-to-time problem To: Juanma Barranquero Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5408 Cc: 5408@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Juanma Barranquero wrot= e: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 01:00, Lennart Borgman > wrote: > >> But date-to-time does not say that it assumes GMT. > > No. Perhaps it should. Yes. >> And current-time-string does not say it will give my local time. > > It seems fair to default to your local timezone. Note that there's > also a `current-time-zone', so It would be much more fair if it told so. That would make the difference more obvious. > ELISP> (current-time-zone) > (3600 "+0100") > > ELISP> (current-time-zone (date-to-time "Sun Jan 17 22:39:58 2010")) > (3600 "+0100") > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Juanma > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 18 10:20:14 2010 Received: (at 5408) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2010 15:20:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWtOn-0000RX-VB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:20:14 -0500 Received: from mail-bw0-f222.google.com ([209.85.218.222]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWtOl-0000RS-M2 for 5408@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:20:12 -0500 Received: by bwz22 with SMTP id 22so1106943bwz.5 for <5408@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:20:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=G+FZu+P3cCdfvnAwcUKYA5aliAGVCnw2NZl0mu/n74Q=; b=xzzPCaG669+N7FDaeIMOwvNMscIWEYuzQH/ifwXnsjKk6JKg8oG9P82yD0ADN0y3k8 0zl6+OCsCFzwqfN5diku6K6NEVnNQE6m0UEJdHuYRuhE8pgbQ1uXag+UJUJD/ZFXRvBK 8BpwWWfSbizgRgICj2mFLnkNNhYhVZW5f3/2Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=x6m8TO0ijwwwaZTsYcK+cEqY6PdYKug+EDOheymdxnG5XbSht2iusPC7DJnEcG+KHi T+T6wCZij8FRcskeemDhUQd1pFWLIFNqXbfwXz7ALwkAjS42A8jAZE58jy7XFUu+fmxD JTabk7SjI7mZcWFC7EepECtRB3wY6yxNZKuRo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.10.149 with SMTP id p21mr3469705bkp.3.1263828006124; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:20:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:19:46 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#5408: date-to-time problem To: Lennart Borgman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5408 Cc: 5408@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 16:11, Lennart Borgman wrote: > It would be much more fair if it told so. That would make the > difference more obvious. Doc patches welcome. Juanma From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 18 10:26:46 2010 Received: (at 5408) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2010 15:26:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWtV6-0000XZ-7H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:26:44 -0500 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.154]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWtV1-0000XS-LK for 5408@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:26:40 -0500 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so539926fga.15 for <5408@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:26:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=jlO94B1zmjD4VFbf58pd7pPBZlGV1jZX0Unw//yp2Hc=; b=Cw7P+Ux9+LZwx4NoEQabxxRVbaGSJ+d5imGKM85qc0Sm3hrUB+XFtpi5ioqniRf2Dh 7BxMARGI5jPqSBmJmVC5YrfxGRVq+mJROadLl5teRyYsUvPTD6jn+jnoSqdyLxVrGNxj /QoJd3DcDRjZPypzGORoqUn45CPj2cxozi4lM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=KkImUUNGxovLYfN9rUIX65B2Jft2FZ/+vZ9M9svuB/sNYxt5T1Uhb5+9dkCEIWuCqf sTOQhMBkFcXmZghrxWhPViW9kQ0yJgxSwmrXFeLQuzzlEVFr2WUNSIMF1aSQ4itTS4QD joI4otmV52AhI2akkInMCH132wuxHgzjdKKrc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.131.199 with SMTP id 7mr698339hbo.192.1263828394138; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:26:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Lennart Borgman Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:26:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#5408: date-to-time problem To: Juanma Barranquero Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5408 Cc: 5408@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 16:11, Lennart Borgman > wrote: > >> It would be much more fair if it told so. That would make the >> difference more obvious. > > Doc patches welcome. Can't you please just put in the remarks? In a case like this it is more effective I think. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 18 10:42:19 2010 Received: (at 5408) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2010 15:42:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWtkB-0000kG-5i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:42:19 -0500 Received: from mail-bw0-f222.google.com ([209.85.218.222]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWtk9-0000k7-Nz for 5408@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:42:18 -0500 Received: by bwz22 with SMTP id 22so1132117bwz.5 for <5408@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:42:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=3kAj4L75CpVLphkagm6RHBLzQoudeO1aB4uR7JTBD3I=; b=ZQcQHMxiyhkpqITwkxdE3GZ4h9A9QAAiwfZJl+ftGNu14BYTWuqwotyGFGpjULvL8G J6otBfw89TW4pW3cBT+dJlKat6lqw+JVkJ8gsNMue7aBbvyUoISznmmU0EwTPfZaakGv pBy5dv7krArThUz0m5aFq0UsgFkiazTAXdqgI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=OP6ydZ7f1ACD83zXtfa/lOE5udtXuRzaB0Tz8nBZQeaYhtkMf8U8L4EoHamZ1gi1Dz bhA7NEUD2pNvZpxpK2kHsghrfTRPCERLbQPRuRmk92bKVFCyy/fs3hL1x8ERXcDoa18j 41cWOS+PeZpLyP5296p62SA6Yid84JlGXx0po= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.15.138 with SMTP id k10mr2110188bka.27.1263829329221; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:42:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:41:49 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#5408: date-to-time problem To: Lennart Borgman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5408 Cc: 5408@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 16:26, Lennart Borgman wrote: > Can't you please just put in the remarks? In a case like this it is > more effective I think. Remarks? If it is causing confusion to users of the functions, it should be documented. Juanma From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 18 11:29:50 2010 Received: (at 5408) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2010 16:29:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWuUA-0001ff-9Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:29:50 -0500 Received: from pantheon-po29.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.124]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWuU6-0001fY-N8 for 5408@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:29:48 -0500 Received: from furry (dhcp128036014123.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.123]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po29.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o0IGTg7j002966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:29:42 -0500 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EC250C05D; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:29:41 -0700 (MST) From: Chong Yidong To: Juanma Barranquero Subject: Re: bug#5408: date-to-time problem References: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:29:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:41:49 +0100") Message-ID: <87ockrcr62.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5408 Cc: Lennart Borgman , 5408@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) Juanma Barranquero writes: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 16:26, Lennart Borgman > wrote: > >> Can't you please just put in the remarks? In a case like this it is >> more effective I think. > > Remarks? If it is causing confusion to users of the functions, it > should be documented. I think he meant "can't *you* please just put in the remarks". Anyhow, I've checked in the dox fixes now. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 18 11:30:01 2010 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2010 16:30:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWuUL-0001fu-Ij for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:30:01 -0500 Received: from pantheon-po19.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.75]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWuUK-0001fl-Af for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:30:00 -0500 Received: from furry (dhcp128036014123.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.123]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po19.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o0IGTt5O025990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:29:55 -0500 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B8502C05D; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:29:55 -0700 (MST) From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 5408 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:29:55 -0500 Message-ID: <87ljfvcr5o.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) close 5408 thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 18 11:32:06 2010 Received: (at 5408) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2010 16:32:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWuWJ-0001i5-QM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:32:06 -0500 Received: from mail-bw0-f222.google.com ([209.85.218.222]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWuWI-0001hi-JY for 5408@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:32:03 -0500 Received: by bwz22 with SMTP id 22so1190116bwz.5 for <5408@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:31:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=txIoedaDl1FVYNasLhLda72qgGs2y4yNmWPN2FbnEiw=; b=phVarRqwpsR8EK93Jva0VZGki58Z6j8sS4QcennZcqQPuh2YD4+e9YXC9gZbssbDvP 5DyklCXlFENM3gSNtUU4+TYNyAtufKpL4ZCwOYOPs+vdQSw9LlcDneQsiojKxtEwFeRt a2seqEXEFQMP7w5qNUV16F7vKOKJ1PSY+JhVc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=K9Utc/qIijLIl5SUy/lwAWNHwma/eV+dXd+KizXQhDwf/JB7foGHdb+iOG6Yl7Cibs 3gh0+dO3C4p60TkLquOv2Je9xRZMrjr/wu5hmNGhCLzPrR24dHVdMxqoJw6fZORPQCJM 5nrGEmLhybUQy/HlHUzYNNutXgfqmHExZTqPs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.142.10 with SMTP id e10mr651817hba.82.1263832317146; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:31:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87ockrcr62.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87ockrcr62.fsf@stupidchicken.com> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:31:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#5408: date-to-time problem To: Chong Yidong Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5408 Cc: Juanma Barranquero , 5408@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Chong Yidong wrote= : > Juanma Barranquero writes: > >> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 16:26, Lennart Borgman >> wrote: >> >>> Can't you please just put in the remarks? In a case like this it is >>> more effective I think. >> >> Remarks? If it is causing confusion to users of the functions, it >> should be documented. > > I think he meant "can't *you* please just put in the remarks". =C2=A0Anyh= ow, > I've checked in the dox fixes now. Yes ;-) Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 18 11:33:01 2010 Received: (at 5408) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2010 16:33:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWuXF-0001iW-5f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:33:01 -0500 Received: from mail-bw0-f222.google.com ([209.85.218.222]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWuXD-0001iN-Lt for 5408@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:33:00 -0500 Received: by bwz22 with SMTP id 22so1191051bwz.5 for <5408@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:32:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=DhclectD6K4s0YbLrw+zSmD+kRztvYGIm9YUInZGD0c=; b=vXZUsBbkz47lTWNhSJJ6Gj/5KXwV+L+skeOBZOEUQfBWvOoMd7sxVpni7s9pPYKX8a dnJHPt+dR5Lg3+mLOyALi3q2h+EIbYrrH6wT/nXLSLEcfBz3KFbkL8nS1AjLReKeKgH5 uhHTvDXTnliNsb+yvX/n1pA9R6zj1ho+QbQaM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=rFY0YSljytBTjGkzN8nqOa7DoxcEFoORjjPdiW6fhzS6EySN7gNIAUcL0AQm45BakP pXYKukbYI0m4AJciJDrRsT9hR23WcPuWg8HeXdqg+3PHKqWRFVpKiEGNyvJStxOiEX6f 9Cw8A9FDiuEbALEZy2u0CPmwPsx/Ar1kucJJA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.38.84 with SMTP id a20mr1321575bke.39.1263832372125; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:32:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87ockrcr62.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87ockrcr62.fsf@stupidchicken.com> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:32:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#5408: date-to-time problem To: Chong Yidong Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5408 Cc: Lennart Borgman , 5408@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 17:29, Chong Yidong wrote: > I think he meant "can't *you* please just put in the remarks". Ah. Why would it be more effective that *I* do it, instead of doing it himself? Juanma From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 18 11:43:05 2010 Received: (at 5408) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2010 16:43:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWugz-0001qA-B9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:43:05 -0500 Received: from mail-fx0-f226.google.com ([209.85.220.226]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWugw-0001pl-Mv for 5408@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:43:03 -0500 Received: by fxm26 with SMTP id 26so1092250fxm.39 for <5408@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:42:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=ajksg9JEmPjBC9tx3AFqXIJXfD3iKfRLTjo2/Uez4hk=; b=fuqP3TinLbG97Paq7arlGdzXxOKcDhCltDWEekXmkBOKzT7aVBWFQZRA74wTRJgivF 1zL5WWzU5z2X5HcNizIppSG10kLVBaHRvzLYKvBOMIcKJfTeTGzPlUB2ZMuo869EyOPL q5RaFMaQr71JEQVgNPONmvyrA35k69UhAUBh0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=aWdogB4JBK3v6H8bm23EK3AG3SuJtO430GCmhkVawLG8/eBnUyH24V8np2hcTP0KaS Er1emgTG/N6RAKhVBPYf+EEmYYLMYjjP06cDpbf1RlN5Nm5+NB5FoLVlxyRW+hhFtOXd uAwYuWTgv0rNLGVJAX1bTjue3H0QgEcaMrv/8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.187.130 with SMTP id l2mr686385hbh.155.1263832977223; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:42:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <87ockrcr62.fsf@stupidchicken.com> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:42:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#5408: date-to-time problem To: Juanma Barranquero Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5408 Cc: Chong Yidong , 5408@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 17:29, Chong Yidong wrote: > >> I think he meant "can't *you* please just put in the remarks". > > Ah. Why would it be more effective that *I* do it, instead of doing it himself? Logistics. I do not commit anything. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 18 11:46:08 2010 Received: (at 5408) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2010 16:46:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWujv-0002LI-N6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:46:07 -0500 Received: from mail-bw0-f222.google.com ([209.85.218.222]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWuju-0002Kv-Kt for 5408@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:46:07 -0500 Received: by bwz22 with SMTP id 22so1206176bwz.5 for <5408@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:46:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=s7BuRcI2TttWshAkwDdaLeKJWf3xqe9qLy5e9VBYc0U=; b=Kj7tJ+BYTcr2EatQmsU50bR+GrHKJc2rhrrHTs/N8tMONxB8mkpTFHNwKV/EuI/k1Y kJn5672+cshK6I0DDs35vGODi/UQEKT+poxFrTPe0IDbiUSOLivSqd48AdfJX90fAKJ9 J3RopmJBdBVCo2e9q7KTLmV9BeskBWoS/wD24= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=gVCRlo1G5wQBroLBGiF9jsO1TlWI+V6lBOVoPjCY8SEj061IqgnZmvplDz1Nax/Aps A8mWP6II0Y/zE3uNdFDhm6QtS7TKL+qxG+lVaDY/UjyHgp0aWFP3ou25ENKFbVD46uns 3zm+reArlZCbYmJubn1anXBjIcfRCqfyxf1/0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.5.75 with SMTP id 11mr3522021bku.20.1263833161250; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:46:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <87ockrcr62.fsf@stupidchicken.com> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:45:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#5408: date-to-time problem To: Lennart Borgman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5408 Cc: Chong Yidong , 5408@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 17:42, Lennart Borgman wrote: > Logistics. I do not commit anything. AFAIK, you have commit rights, so not commiting anything makes things more effective for you, less effective for others. Juanma From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 18 11:48:00 2010 Received: (at 5408) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2010 16:48:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWuli-0002M9-Ts for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:47:59 -0500 Received: from mail-fx0-f226.google.com ([209.85.220.226]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWulh-0002M2-Qm for 5408@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:47:58 -0500 Received: by fxm26 with SMTP id 26so1097513fxm.39 for <5408@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:47:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=Cr1NXNNBowgCpmg3PL3q8+z2UP2payXLwMWI+An3OEE=; b=loikQteEOoAwWv/8ahadEd1Los169XW8I1WuDWRx+FfrSf1UDF4Sl6cNRQrAN+Bvu9 RIh//0DP4M6UkystZKxNADSCdzsrfpbDB71WAgt+GFo4syeSnqo73CDkM/m77Khu3+0c 2Gt/N6bTYsba0aTOPqfHyqkMzYfR2uRJRrqkg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=umd/Bz7F+5lHtFCLi+wgX2QsAz5HT3sQCEfI4gvc9BwOx5LQelrFi+FwhcEwb848Fu Olv0b5+QS0zXlDfHWkSOIVlbJY7vALhGn88LjCNsR9c68wnkYF38xkgP8EN2uCfNLPOd dY7arXqWksChGu7UjkWPqH7gjGs/+KanpidhA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.187.204 with SMTP id m12mr645345hbh.160.1263833272161; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:47:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <87ockrcr62.fsf@stupidchicken.com> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:47:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#5408: date-to-time problem To: Juanma Barranquero Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5408 Cc: Chong Yidong , 5408@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 17:42, Lennart Borgman > wrote: > >> Logistics. I do not commit anything. > > AFAIK, you have commit rights, so not commiting anything makes things > more effective for you, less effective for others. My conclusion have been that I make it more effective for us all if I do not commit. ;-) But I will try to change my mind. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 18 11:57:11 2010 Received: (at 5408) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2010 16:57:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWuuc-0002Uu-5g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:57:10 -0500 Received: from mail-bw0-f222.google.com ([209.85.218.222]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NWuub-0002Up-Bq for 5408@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:57:09 -0500 Received: by bwz22 with SMTP id 22so1218918bwz.5 for <5408@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:57:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=A/uyYFpRScN3LoELjtiBfjLVgWSntM9c4Iplk5t4aIM=; b=NeKBH4C5Nt+AplJDEFituFC5nHyc/+IBPQC+f3iebm2sVY1bSyTGydXLN5TlORe4wC 8d5X6utqmn8xBlnjDuU7LOUprcgMW34FoTdxZ3o4i75rhG60uP2UlLwyGNZ/1FSkeb4x 2XwTE+AVGDWhBXMTAD1vN569sjK2rfr7cC2Dc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=seLdyzigqahk28DhlV8eq+4MEzE9BQ7Y4RZ2riWi2lX4+cNYMETLlbM9ps1Z9nIHls M93PluSEi+Z2Fxvpap8U4/vlutYrJqpGFn5J52rHU8aqNZjqN3uJHfzyH4NhHPEAlSVr 5IgJfb+wRL3cmNYfGxxHeG2P4oLWF0+/b/yDU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.6.5 with SMTP id 5mr3495446bkx.167.1263833823345; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:57:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <87ockrcr62.fsf@stupidchicken.com> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:56:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#5408: date-to-time problem To: Lennart Borgman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5408 Cc: Chong Yidong , 5408@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 17:47, Lennart Borgman wrote: > My conclusion have been that I make it more effective for us all if I > do not commit. ;-) Well, IMHO, if you want something changed and don't want to commit, you can at least send patches and ChangeLog entries. 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