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Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> A recent change changed the arity of this function, braking >> callers that pass 2 arguments. >> >> This function was called from the excellent package helpful.el >> which throws a lisp error now > [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54071 Cc: Ben Schw , 54071@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> A recent change changed the arity of this function, braking >> callers that pass 2 arguments. >> >> This function was called from the excellent package helpful.el >> which throws a lisp error now > > How come an internal function is called outside Emacs? Yes, I think this is a bug that should be reported to the helpful.el maintainer(s). Internal Emacs functions will change signatures (or cease to exist) without warning, so they shouldn't be used by external packages. 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Perhaps because it's useful? Why does it need to be considered only for "inside" Emacs? 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Mon, 21 Feb 2022 09:59:22 +0000 Received: by kubenode512.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 7c5d09af18d6c233478a3a87b56340bc; Mon, 21 Feb 2022 09:59:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#54071: fix incompatible arity change help-fns References: <83ee3xwlkg.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 17:59:10 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 20 Feb 2022 22:26:41 +0000") Message-ID: <878ru4h769.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19797 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 368 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54071 Cc: Ben Schw , Eli Zaretskii , "54071@debbugs.gnu.org" <54071@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: > Perhaps because it's useful? Why does it need > to be considered only for "inside" Emacs? I'm usually not the first person to be enthusiastic about breaking changes, but not changing internal functions because they are useful leads to madness. If it is indeed useful, then a public interface should be created instead. From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:16:28 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:24:08 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator