From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2022 10:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 53896@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.164440312932557 (code B ref -1); Wed, 09 Feb 2022 10:39:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2022 10:38:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49993 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHkN7-0008T3-EV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2022 05:38:49 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:51398) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHkN6-0008Sw-7p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2022 05:38:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36838) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nHkN5-0006ef-WE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2022 05:38:48 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:53651) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nHkN2-0006yH-Ok for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2022 05:38:46 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 219AcV3V015065 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2022 10:38:31 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 219AcTOl015282 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2022 10:38:29 GMT Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 10:38:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly Message-ID: Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1761284765-1644403109=:23914" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=van.ly@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1761284765-1644403109=:23914 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-2022-JP The vertical listing in the minibuffer in response to "insert-char" fails to preview the match for "C-x 8 RET 8072". observed behavior * start by "emacs -Q" * M-x customize RET * search "icomplete vertical" * toggle "on" Icomplete Vertical Mode * switch to "*scratch*" buffer ; -------------------------------- ; minibuffer fails to preview 8072 ; -------------------------------- * C-x 8 RET * continue typing "80" ;; shows LINEAR A SIGN A580, A800, A801, A802, A803, A804, A805 * continue typing "807" ;; shows LINEAR A SIGN A807 * continue typing "8072" ;; shows "8072 [No matches]" expected behavior * start by "emacs -Q" * M-x customize RET * search "icomplete vertical" * toggle "on" Icomplete Vertical Mode * switch to "*scratch*" buffer ; ---------------------------------- ; 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helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHo5Y-0000fE-3d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2022 09:36:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45034) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHo5V-0000ex-O9; Wed, 09 Feb 2022 09:36:54 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=58778 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nHo5L-0003kz-W0; Wed, 09 Feb 2022 09:36:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=CSRP8Ji8lMOTBeP2ts1VKzWDkj6YQYeg8vAlZSXGzYQ=; b=IPLecFtW67AO baKFgUIh0fAMIcXOZotXPPTzBXOaGKujNAADS9E+i4z42IpfCpf1MwuZmZpDgBoobTVt38/FRc/p3 VrWXkZpRdp+OAgjvVZ8A55f5qYC9E6jlnFqOprWxkPviiXhrB+1he+72sQtheVCqOsTDk4yokoADf 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minibuffer in response to "insert-char" fails to preview the match for "C-x 8 RET 8072". > > observed behavior > * start by "emacs -Q" > * M-x customize RET > * search "icomplete vertical" > * toggle "on" Icomplete Vertical Mode > * switch to "*scratch*" buffer > ; -------------------------------- > ; minibuffer fails to preview 8072 > ; -------------------------------- > * C-x 8 RET > * continue typing "80" ;; shows LINEAR A SIGN A580, A800, A801, A802, A803, A804, A805 > * continue typing "807" ;; shows LINEAR A SIGN A807 > * continue typing "8072" ;; shows "8072 [No matches]" This has nothing to do with icomplete-vertical-mode. You will see the same with the default completion: C-x 8 RET 8072 TAB This shows [No match]. The reason is that we deliberately remove all the CJG IDEOGRAPH-NNNN names from the list of character names we submit to "C-x 8 RET" as possible completions. We do that because there are gobs of those characters, whose names mean nothing (they are not real names), and whose existence in the completions would just add a lot of noise. This is a feature, not a bug. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 01:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164445831917439 (code B ref 53896); Thu, 10 Feb 2022 01:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2022 01:58:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53162 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHyjH-0004XD-5V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2022 20:58:39 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:64594) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHyjF-0004X5-DU for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2022 20:58:37 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@sdf.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 21A1wZWF021872 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Thu, 10 Feb 2022 01:58:36 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 21A1wdhV017714; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 01:58:39 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 01:58:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Wed, 9 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > tags 53896 notabug > thanks > Thanks. > This shows [No match]. > > The reason is that we deliberately remove all the CJG IDEOGRAPH-NNNN > names from the list of character names we submit to "C-x 8 RET" as > possible completions. We do that because there are gobs of those > characters, whose names mean nothing (they are not real names), and > whose existence in the completions would just add a lot of noise. > > This is a feature, not a bug. > It is a blindspot for studying a human culture. Maybe further on there can be a toggle and filter to sort the meaning from the noise, sort of like how Grammarly uses Lisp. -- vl From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Po Lu Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 04:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Van Ly Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.16444688902929 (code B ref 53896); Thu, 10 Feb 2022 04:55:01 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2022 04:54:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53276 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nI1Tm-0000lB-FQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2022 23:54:50 -0500 Received: from sonic313-10.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.185.33]:42698) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nI1Tl-0000kv-6x for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; 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The CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-XXXX names are utterly meaningless to any speaker of an East Asian language that uses them. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Po Lu Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164462108014790 (code B ref 53896); Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:12:01 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2022 23:11:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32945 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nIf4S-0003qU-Ck for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2022 18:11:20 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:51600) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nIf4P-0003qJ-Sr for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2022 18:11:19 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 21BNBFe2015853 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:11:15 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 21BNBDVJ021602; Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:11:13 GMT Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:11:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-2117003490-1644621073=:28064" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-2117003490-1644621073=:28064 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Thu, 10 Feb 2022, Po Lu wrote: > > The CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-XXXX names are utterly meaningless to any > speaker of an East Asian language that uses them. > LINEAR A SIGN A807 ; from C-x 8 RET 807 The above is utterly meaningless to me but maybe it is meaningful to the community studying Linear A. And, maybe with time and more information the text description will improve. My use case sources the CJK to read from, for example => https://ctext.org/er-ya/shi-gu => https://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/lexi-mf/search.php maybe there remain no speakers of those signs. ; from C-x 8 RET a The current name for "" had the old name "LINE FEED (LF)". -- vl --0-2117003490-1644621073=:28064-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Po Lu Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 00:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Van Ly Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164462696023978 (code B ref 53896); Sat, 12 Feb 2022 00:50:02 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2022 00:49:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33001 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nIgb7-0006EQ-Ll for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:49:20 -0500 Received: from sonic308-10.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.187.33]:33652) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nIgb3-0006Ds-5Q for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:49:08 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1644626938; bh=0nRSnmcIrAq9CgY5d7kU8mt2EHn7zL0XmThIjFiJ6/I=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=g3CLRqQ6/EXWS26B5e4a9ClRFTGS8+iTNTqbbDlPX3cDX7xMCw6nSTxTPluDhilM0ZPkeEPUiJNmszf187E0p3gIrocGo51ANt8HAPXgT7sOcDeAJcSPWS6fJLB5/D7AQegyabAqAjNQE0DkFFhTijO2zLfkrZkek3me+Y6W89Ped3ATBnLvQ34arwnpoTHa+lzfzQzsa5r/ObIvNrjbuLc5yZpBbq/l08zrJiSY6dCiPhMJ9Cw9W9qSA/Cef5kSI2z16Eu8FpVQB3jGz10WWJF4/STujDaYu5uMGNKzcsxWz3nl0kKdxu7x95GsZxxAs5A6/tjUuuL05sb60Xc7aA== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1644626938; bh=hVpoQG0mQntz2h6VE+fSNdrpCWkBWK03cV/IMIYG6t0=; h=X-Sonic-MF:From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=MG4+Pm+PXqKY47rrMgPKMEBdjQDIZ3Z8HwhE5yYoosmykUUM/25rej11iDBis3exTuCR8bWH/90gtuaAhiMgTh2wQcjRfqOYWM+cR2shvGC8nVqdAtTCqf7oUMtcF6AGA2PTONoaO/8Xdst/yEmQaKacOlJBAUHQU8ReuFx28cp7jc5MRNqC7bIV+r7aFaPSTTRw7xXRtLklV6vGNfSdvB1k4cm0JN0pC0xtebAkJLiaOrA4bcKWtGY9HitUtuVIc+zNap617eASuEaPcvSH/MrbKIhw74iHhUw/J/jLQo8UU7oPW1a04TZ1MZTcLhQ85duyhkDmTsir0rDgkwKqPA== X-YMail-OSG: q0WmrZsVM1l8eVS89f6e1_zIpUDTppBI7i6vU5gJtISGryVQaiU0fW59F5aJEzk XSX_KRi40P.rLB7xUsnb82i3S3BGrF6URnpxCUqKzNsViTG7CjeRMRoki_l85jZ_sdbQYViNjXye yrJM2r6n2.5nCOKFWQ.qLUDY1D4e.uVNwvQGc3veXLAg5Fi6MP92.fo_F9qLloJlzJTctSoTl7cQ 9ALlLCkT410pAxjJoCS0IdTW79glUoSJ2aMSIIZPWcyJ92vQr.uy9DThoK0gN_.u2e1I7bI0yuGB xfzrM9YK4Y.DTAw_dR4Bup0aRlFK12dhMCYQHyhuVZWKnJ2TVEbJTMHKzWwYpy0fVgzIbYA.64xl FfJL_ohaSYacIBFJneAIudMkj0soGQYvW8iPJXgo06Nv5yEn89_PEJexVBShaFyOwip8gS0SDnqR OXm1YRY7v.sQ__8ny0yWhp4keiwmzmPEeGR4_Ztkc9ElHcjctaejD58bQwVVdtn2C6XFPzdgSVN3 Pj52bcAg.0pWk55wS4qKRlMVBPvT4BEbPSqOpD7VIQIt2C61nEz6FbAFpFO8fEXThS542KDIbimT b8jYoK3A2K4qutyoWf9o44g.BkwhojDGeu0NQKQA7_NKUB7xa.ypkpWOSyOhzvAXX07mMQLo14Ap xzWlB8QYFBA4QLsHyFYz6aYGU2S5g9E.Bhp.ryTOYmwN2tZYyVnNUtxqGwtWvNOnIk3ruUSLXmkF bm.4a9JlqRY0QDDt9LKdXGfak8eDZZyM_vheK_pJ0FX07qWmyrWo4jATrOS7rGBcN2_WlhsnN0Tb lzfNGlNzMhFSCSxHOeCcuCWmpUu4PSWtfTvur48QJ8G0vCc8XhWW1Gm7q_e3TLqJrpXC5oop2rlt UVwmf3JmLCc0gRlAc2hw8fwMxyxdOA9bihbH_4tSd7UqOkFDXsbzU2ObTq7THRGkpN4aXc3AkCS. 7gqTgx2elgLBIhpxejaBvQZ_aSBZrlHrPnUD7ALKNDYP535MmKlDQjSk1UhhL315oJ5_B8cnNmV6 i5EsV4C0jGebav9ig9LkgeeIkUUxfYh7e2KNKCXFHPmGjz_GAOxdZvQzKxgGy_CnfFMgADUacyxx Rf1DBP7kdI40YcsYzUmUVhYmR4qD0re2B_8jfnc9MY_Q33RbbdFqnGMIGJF193KVAQ_kvfaEHtZh eO0bGQ13lLwsvgCbuOO7_H7QwwAMvxCXE_3cfTXTs38kOobPyJ6B4uHdTmunUBgAD.8uSVEQRSam 8QiaE.kjngKKfOVoRhTLvtDmOq11gH.ShKSKiL_kOFMtrt9fZDdUGgvd5lA35.mqWwCG4mNqrUxL Sx_MokfL9fon9RnLZ_vnVK4Piy6hu8gVaGY7QYzlsbsO4s_pDsdR_5RtBjLFlLiivCaGLiaQNJXf 5LoMCewURLpS9rB3LDjB3svLXWWBC_CGD_7gBMIfkMUQkOCZi97CIIQyvAZA8.4Wiv3koyaecqqN f0xXLiA8jLEqqzSChGDbAg4hEiIEmYTmhlI0IXKAWbNlzAmSRPz2Gw8t5BOJq.otJwjJOTGZKR3V qoQ35QmQMVpzzy8ykuVNUATA.jrQiR4yjfB6HsdI4UX6mUTvTqN_b6elq8ILBaoLZgP6QDfNPf.t 4hWqp6eZi_CsqYv3wTreQ1lTsv3PSURwG6EyQcB1l7dOikOqXFgEZKpQMjHc1mO97ZYNhX5vGml7 3VFekV6NE_0Nsmh2HtzJ4beoFb7cC.IKU7BLUW8SQEMbS0wo0EgsqsFyMzUXUBq5cJliQ0CjPXOF F.MMO8xobKjlTtY4OsnAs8UZW_Hr5St4YPyUkBfWhjlnUlgNNEriOoE.9Xst0aFGJ7gPu_mCgts. 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And, maybe with time and more > information the text description will improve. I cannot speak Linear A, so I can't help you there. > My use case sources the CJK to read from, for example > > =3D> https://ctext.org/er-ya/shi-gu > =3D> https://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/lexi-mf/search.php > > maybe there remain no speakers of those signs. The numbers after a CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH name are completely arbitrary. They have no correspondence to the meanings of the characters at all. > The current name for "" had the old name "LINE=C2=A0FEED=C2=A0(L= F)". Now you have lost me. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.16446500046457 (code B ref 53896); Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:14:01 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2022 07:13:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33256 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nImax-0001g5-Qg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 02:13:24 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38340) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nImas-0001fm-QK for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 02:13:22 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=58790 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nIman-0005kA-J9; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 02:13:13 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=JyzwW3Hj++6f694+2cI6hB1bKwfA7+YVNyahqy+WOxQ=; b=fLOnBJqoi8v2DLKYo4q7 oMEpLIakuYcVhFrerJJKh8A4qN2826su4PsCFfij7j3HkzA4qZRKroVSUUTQ0NDEKB6fCcP/0DKFw 2osKd3Tcdjx3iNP8zd+FtnS3CbKfWJdiCuKGukF4WKTA/vPj5JS0aRtc8LmCEHfTs7VE0um6Yx54N tRvfj2WECOU69N4yObAG9bxO28DHjJf9A7uN9PSoMAXTDCAsggh3dZXSR4tCmSZi1kwO8fihVu1uj 0Zmn2CLTWD79SJLxVmpW9W+b87ZYK8IDVeUhTpD+PSnLJq4juAu6fZfxPAijFamunOoGdxwM99y3g 7IPa4RhJgRKlZg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4405 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nImam-0002fs-JC; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 02:13:13 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:13:05 +0200 Message-Id: <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Van Ly on Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:11:13 +0000 (UTC)) References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:11:13 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly > cc: Eli Zaretskii , 53896@debbugs.gnu.org > > > The CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-XXXX names are utterly meaningless to any > > speaker of an East Asian language that uses them. > > LINEAR A SIGN A807 ; from C-x 8 RET 807 > > The above is utterly meaningless to me but maybe it is meaningful to > the community studying Linear A. Yes. More importantly, there are 341 of them, as opposed to almost 27,000 of CJK Ideographs. Even UnicodeData.txt doesn't include them, but gives only the first and the last codepoints (one more evidence that they don't have meaningful names in Unicode DB). > My use case sources the CJK to read from, for example > > => https://ctext.org/er-ya/shi-gu > => https://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/lexi-mf/search.php Sorry, I don't understand the relevance. Do you see any names in those URLs, and if so, are those names in any way derived from the Unicode character DB? I just see characters, and thus typing their codepoints is the way to go. The characters _are_ supported, and we do assign names to them (which are trivially derived from their codepoints), so typing their names is just an unnecessarily complicated way of typing their codepoint. IOW, why not just type 8072 at "C-x 8 RET"s prompt, instead of selecting "CJK IDEOGRAPH-8072" from a list of 27,000 candidates? > ; from C-x 8 RET a > > The current name for "" had the old name "LINE FEED (LF)". I don't think I see the relevance. The 'old-name' property comes from the Unicode DB, and we include the old names in the completion candidates of "C-x 8 RET". But the characters that have a meaningful old name have none of the problems the CJK Ideographs have. 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Do you see any names in > those URLs, and if so, are those names in any way derived from the > Unicode character DB? I couldn't find any, FWIW. 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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1081050117-1644757577=:19056 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP; format=flowed On Sat, 12 Feb 2022, Po Lu wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> Sorry, I don't understand the relevance. Do you see any names in >> those URLs, and if so, are those names in any way derived from the >> Unicode character DB? > > I couldn't find any, FWIW. > => https://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/lexi-mf/search.php?word=$Bfa(J The above link shows two handfuls of I suppose address schemes for that sign, U+8072 in unicode. For me, the name * * CJK IDEOGRAPH-8072 is better than "No match" and I get the majority of people who never process any CJK will suffer performance-wise were the horde of CJK characters to match in part on insert-char. So, an opt-in toggle and filter improves on the situation of a blank drop. Maybe the relevant U+8072 slab from Unihan_Readings.txt can be included in describe-char under "Unicode data". -- vl --0-1081050117-1644757577=:19056-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.16447580907690 (code B ref 53896); Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2022 13:14:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36787 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJEiH-0001zx-MB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:14:49 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33370) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJEiE-0001zi-TP for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:14:48 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=35592 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJEi8-0001Sf-LK; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:14:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=h6BfRC53+O9XGnj6WrxDnmxHzof/rR5nkd1ml1L8kiI=; b=Fpzt/N8WfYBe iObidOeFZzgj+tPH0K6iLBjGd7W5kY6CYMoYrr/2eCnrgR5zxhscsLY28fWEisxU/fYHTV75+7cPA kiAYVcGZC/ebOVVLjPkygS/nbqtuxPt3zVGUMslRuJIamgJ42ijW7OMDtHmlkQL2m6qDbbTrWqG3H IMxDO8xcXLTFYitI1S6EssJrKayhrr9XghXgwD3sRNjJCTngHbjOTqSnsYZk0NztxutcRWde9CnxR Eua0itF6doNJsg15BXTD8yxpl8Cw4ngEUN6kIZEL3JbHc8Qv7QPt0Uowl3lIqN+5Wt65wkY2++tFS MY6M7O5hmcNLSsVpc+XM6w==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3132 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJEi8-0001cG-4K; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:14:40 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 15:14:35 +0200 Message-Id: <83bkzarjr8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <65cccf59-6569-886a-76cb-1609f7e376@SDF.ORG> (message from Van Ly on Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:06:17 +0000 (UTC)) References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmnssgiq.fsf@yahoo.com> <65cccf59-6569-886a-76cb-1609f7e376@SDF.ORG> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:06:17 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly > cc: Eli Zaretskii , 53896@debbugs.gnu.org > > Maybe the relevant U+8072 slab from Unihan_Readings.txt can be > included in describe-char under "Unicode data". Which slab specifically? From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.16447583068051 (code B ref 53896); Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2022 13:18:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36792 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJElm-00025m-6L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:18:26 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:50847) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJElj-00025b-TN for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:18:24 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 21DDIM0Y000401 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:18:22 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 21DDILx9029504; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:18:21 GMT Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:18:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <83bkzarjr8.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <3d4820f2-adec-c16-512a-8fbca05abd0@SDF.ORG> References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmnssgiq.fsf@yahoo.com> <65cccf59-6569-886a-76cb-1609f7e376@SDF.ORG> <83bkzarjr8.fsf@gnu.org> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1778477567-1644758301=:19056" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1778477567-1644758301=:19056 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sun, 13 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:06:17 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Van Ly >> cc: Eli Zaretskii , 53896@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> Maybe the relevant U+8072 slab from Unihan_Readings.txt can be >> included in describe-char under "Unicode data". > > Which slab specifically? > ''' U+8072 kCantonese sing1 U+8072 kDefinition sound, voice, noise; tone; music U+8072 kHangul ģ„±:0E U+8072 kHanyuPinlu shēng(2269) sheng(57) U+8072 kHanyuPinyin 42794.040:shēng U+8072 kJapaneseKun KOE U+8072 kJapaneseOn SEI SHOU U+8072 kKorean SENG U+8072 kMandarin shēng U+8072 kTang *shiɛng U+8072 kVietnamese thanh U+8072 kXHC1983 1023.021:shēng ''' -- vl --0-1778477567-1644758301=:19056-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164476034811446 (code B ref 53896); Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:53:01 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2022 13:52:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36815 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJFIi-0002yY-7J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:52:28 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39394) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJFIe-0002yH-Dg for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:52:26 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=36184 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJFIS-0003Q4-Rt; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:52:19 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=pf7TTco7HZImKvDOTSL3zMnp+Rnd8rNEI6gU4saglM8=; b=Ji6yBZintXkzEwb1VzDT WtxvRziVEZG2IClG/ZFITTHRWnPOyEYMIkOO5v1eYw55c1/bdd6MhY5XxVpcRatUQy9BtaSBELFAB vEjf4gpyqY+bC6PibHCE1Kje7FFvwyfIj4zqLM/li0blG7vEqDBXWe0lo8uYK26Bh1hpdGtzQb79h NZA+wjIC2TZGCr+yWk6y+lEVy4p/rRaKczamz9zh+j3WVBHBNZ9yHp5KjD1mhACNdgA6WHllLNadP hEEh+jdw1wqI8esk5BLZCCnha6+/b+Ny6+ZJC0oTIeBzWxM1dvehF1d3M7A8eXYF2yYI7SpWSkt0B NwoOYiqsnpaKnw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1482 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJFIS-0005UP-AV; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:52:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 15:52:09 +0200 Message-Id: <834k52ri0m.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <3d4820f2-adec-c16-512a-8fbca05abd0@SDF.ORG> (message from Van Ly on Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:18:21 +0000 (UTC)) References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmnssgiq.fsf@yahoo.com> <65cccf59-6569-886a-76cb-1609f7e376@SDF.ORG> <83bkzarjr8.fsf@gnu.org> <3d4820f2-adec-c16-512a-8fbca05abd0@SDF.ORG> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:18:21 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly > cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org > > >> Maybe the relevant U+8072 slab from Unihan_Readings.txt can be > >> included in describe-char under "Unicode data". > > > > Which slab specifically? > > > > ''' > U+8072 kCantonese sing1 > U+8072 kDefinition sound, voice, noise; tone; music > U+8072 kHangul ģ„±:0E > U+8072 kHanyuPinlu shēng(2269) sheng(57) > U+8072 kHanyuPinyin 42794.040:shēng > U+8072 kJapaneseKun KOE > U+8072 kJapaneseOn SEI SHOU > U+8072 kKorean SENG > U+8072 kMandarin shēng > U+8072 kTang *shiɛng > U+8072 kVietnamese thanh > U+8072 kXHC1983 1023.021:shēng > ''' I don't understand -- you suggest to use all of them? From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164476192613803 (code B ref 53896); Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2022 14:18:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36841 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJFiA-0003aZ-6y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 09:18:46 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:62375) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJFi7-0003aQ-LN for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 09:18:45 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 21DEIgOB027683 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:18:42 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 21DEIfR8024269; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:18:41 GMT Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:18:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <834k52ri0m.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <5c2dd8fc-8796-fc80-d133-7f65c6e40ab@SDF.ORG> References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmnssgiq.fsf@yahoo.com> <65cccf59-6569-886a-76cb-1609f7e376@SDF.ORG> <83bkzarjr8.fsf@gnu.org> <3d4820f2-adec-c16-512a-8fbca05abd0@SDF.ORG> <834k52ri0m.fsf@gnu.org> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-706442846-1644761921=:19056" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-706442846-1644761921=:19056 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sun, 13 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> ''' >> U+8072 kCantonese sing1 >> U+8072 kDefinition sound, voice, noise; tone; music >> U+8072 kHangul ģ„±:0E >> U+8072 kHanyuPinlu shēng(2269) sheng(57) >> U+8072 kHanyuPinyin 42794.040:shēng >> U+8072 kJapaneseKun KOE >> U+8072 kJapaneseOn SEI SHOU >> U+8072 kKorean SENG >> U+8072 kMandarin shēng >> U+8072 kTang *shiɛng >> U+8072 kVietnamese thanh >> U+8072 kXHC1983 1023.021:shēng >> ''' > > I don't understand -- you suggest to use all of them? > I see in the *Help* buffer in response to describe-char a section ''' Unicode data: Name: Category: Letter, Other Combining class: 0 Bidi category: Left-to-Right ''' there could be a 'customize what to show' link that adjusts to include none, any or all of the lines for U+8072 in that section. -- vl --0-706442846-1644761921=:19056-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164476288615213 (code B ref 53896); Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2022 14:34:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36853 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJFxe-0003xJ-Gw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 09:34:46 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:61329) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJFxc-0003x8-Km for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 09:34:45 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 21DEYg1j027718 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:34:42 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 21DEYf8q028696; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:34:41 GMT Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:34:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-388094756-1644762881=:19056" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-388094756-1644762881=:19056 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP; format=flowed On Sat, 12 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > The characters _are_ supported, and we do assign names to them (which > are trivially derived from their codepoints), so typing their names is > just an unnecessarily complicated way of typing their codepoint. IOW, > why not just type 8072 at "C-x 8 RET"s prompt, instead of selecting > "CJK IDEOGRAPH-8072" from a list of 27,000 candidates? > I do use 8072 at the "C-x 8 RET" prompt. The problem is it says: ''' Insert character (Unicode name or hex): 8072 [No matches] ''' And, I have to blindly hit RET at that point to insert the U+8072 sign. What I expect to see is: ''' Insert character (Unicode name or hex): 8072 $Bfa(J CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH 8072 ''' And, I can then either hit RET at the end of 8072 or use the down arrow key to choose that line underneath. -- vl --0-388094756-1644762881=:19056-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, Eli Zaretskii , 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164476404917129 (code B ref 53896); Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:55:01 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2022 14:54:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36877 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJGGO-0004SD-O6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 09:54:08 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:45481) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJGGM-0004S3-Dd for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 09:54:08 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4JxVjm4CSBz1sYfb; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 15:54:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4JxVjm1f8Rz1qqkB; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 15:54:04 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QSeDemhzAT5X; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 15:54:03 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: 8eLAqhWzVytysMP+QleBdlFPoirlufjzSpoz3oN5Kqs3Tru0kDQ6dSBHpvFwmAsq Received: from igel.home (ppp-46-244-190-29.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.190.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 15:54:03 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5CC5A2C3845; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 15:54:02 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> X-Yow: Does someone from PEORIA have a SHORTER ATTENTION span than me? Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 15:54:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> (Van Ly's message of "Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:34:41 +0000 (UTC)") Message-ID: <87bkzahl6d.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) On Feb 13 2022, Van Ly wrote: > I do use 8072 at the "C-x 8 RET" prompt. The problem is it says: > > ''' > Insert character (Unicode name or hex): 8072 [No matches] > ''' > > And, I have to blindly hit RET at that point to insert the U+8072 sign. Blindly? You see the number you are about to accept. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 16:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164477022214419 (code B ref 53896); Sun, 13 Feb 2022 16:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2022 16:37:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38787 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJHry-0003kR-2b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 11:37:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37418) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJHrt-0003jy-TP for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 11:37:00 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=37512 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJHrn-0000NV-KC; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 11:36:51 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=KtxMr95zwNE3A3jzSfBMEBTB3yswSc7YTk4FBSb2WVw=; b=XvIgjX2yEHAEBCO5UcYZ Zk+CPvMCimDq9xoDHknSn+PpFe5tDSkTVlPqcVuVSK4Oqym/rTv8WB0LDNUZCSpMerhIORIethbfd rdc/ImhDzl2fu0vqsoGavNgu1x1wwAY4yLMLy7kDY9EZov3VYq9LyWdSd60sixm7QrFLgL56ennYA zpuCzKD2Fx8jH2c6VeMK6PYZMESIeTPbtWQBb1o/loJiyC3x5XdT2KCx3Gvj67eG7yu5m6PuIulVG NwwYZHJLkjTfGrcUgV2jQ59ktiJ5sLWxXssamRKuM44CWOsa9v3ZR5WY7bBNycrLf0A+8igGdagUK OYIdnZdgPvZ+DQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4166 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJHrn-000271-4G; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 11:36:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 18:36:47 +0200 Message-Id: <83zgmupvts.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <5c2dd8fc-8796-fc80-d133-7f65c6e40ab@SDF.ORG> (message from Van Ly on Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:18:41 +0000 (UTC)) References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmnssgiq.fsf@yahoo.com> <65cccf59-6569-886a-76cb-1609f7e376@SDF.ORG> <83bkzarjr8.fsf@gnu.org> <3d4820f2-adec-c16-512a-8fbca05abd0@SDF.ORG> <834k52ri0m.fsf@gnu.org> <5c2dd8fc-8796-fc80-d133-7f65c6e40ab@SDF.ORG> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:18:41 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly > cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org > > > [1:text/plain Hide] > > On Sun, 13 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> > >> ''' > >> U+8072 kCantonese sing1 > >> U+8072 kDefinition sound, voice, noise; tone; music > >> U+8072 kHangul ģ„±:0E > >> U+8072 kHanyuPinlu shēng(2269) sheng(57) > >> U+8072 kHanyuPinyin 42794.040:shēng > >> U+8072 kJapaneseKun KOE > >> U+8072 kJapaneseOn SEI SHOU > >> U+8072 kKorean SENG > >> U+8072 kMandarin shēng > >> U+8072 kTang *shiɛng > >> U+8072 kVietnamese thanh > >> U+8072 kXHC1983 1023.021:shēng > >> ''' > > > > I don't understand -- you suggest to use all of them? > > > > I see in the *Help* buffer in response to describe-char a section > > ''' > Unicode data: > Name: > Category: Letter, Other > Combining class: 0 > Bidi category: Left-to-Right > ''' > > there could be a 'customize what to show' link that adjusts to > include none, any or all of the lines for U+8072 in that section. We are mis-communicating. I thought you were talking about completions on character names in "C-x 8 RET", and I thought you were suggesting how to provide meaningful names to CJK Ideographs for that completion. But for that, each character should have a single unique name. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 16:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164477029514535 (code B ref 53896); Sun, 13 Feb 2022 16:39:02 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2022 16:38:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38792 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJHt9-0003mN-Dk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 11:38:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37704) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJHt7-0003mA-5Q for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 11:38:13 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=37520 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJHt1-0000qL-QU; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 11:38:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=9En8fRxPA9Ol8e5VE589WewLrMpYZrlCBuQX3DkskvU=; b=CNNHHl7CNtoTTeBnbh0R o+svhs4I6NVlVGBaKELAXG+xfmkFp7gV5t2YxEnqwd7M/RYXy0nAzdTCkh9p7TaVr/9oAkhL87OIq VAvO5WyMbM8ckHmzCQzdYVtgWLE3ZqLzqWbqybz16NJoJGKgWYyZmboC4ptHIZxRILwuFDoLNwXNp bqta+fXGHnFtuPOwV25b+kGiB11+/9qdKx6RWsDSGGd84wfUlWfS5y7ET8ELkFnSlw20mBkEVYIjP Hjd7ipZLT0vabvnKsJvnl8wVrlp//0Xju9dImyHIkUuIz5NDWdgfKBmabA/4p1ibuGvedt/pyFwBA Ib6db+OwCiwcTg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4242 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJHsz-0002Bi-EH; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 11:38:05 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 18:38:02 +0200 Message-Id: <83y22epvrp.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> (message from Van Ly on Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:34:41 +0000 (UTC)) References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:34:41 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly > cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org > > > The characters _are_ supported, and we do assign names to them (which > > are trivially derived from their codepoints), so typing their names is > > just an unnecessarily complicated way of typing their codepoint. IOW, > > why not just type 8072 at "C-x 8 RET"s prompt, instead of selecting > > "CJK IDEOGRAPH-8072" from a list of 27,000 candidates? > > > > I do use 8072 at the "C-x 8 RET" prompt. The problem is it says: > > ''' > Insert character (Unicode name or hex): 8072 [No matches] > ''' > > And, I have to blindly hit RET at that point to insert the U+8072 > sign. > > What I expect to see is: > > ''' > Insert character (Unicode name or hex): 8072 > $Bfa(B CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH 8072 > ''' > > And, I can then either hit RET at the end of 8072 or use the down > arrow key to choose that line underneath. How did you know to type "8072" to begin with? From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Andreas Schwab Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, Eli Zaretskii , 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.16448500767900 (code B ref 53896); Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:48:01 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2022 14:47:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40429 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJcdw-00023M-53 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:47:56 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:49288) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJcdt-000237-Tq for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:47:54 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 21EElqmK003213 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:47:52 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 21EElomS009916; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:47:51 GMT Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:47:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <87bkzahl6d.fsf@igel.home> Message-ID: <4d29692-4bb-4031-88e5-4032d421bc22@SDF.ORG> References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> <87bkzahl6d.fsf@igel.home> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Sun, 13 Feb 2022, Andreas Schwab wrote: >> >> ''' >> Insert character (Unicode name or hex): 8072 [No matches] >> ''' >> >> And, I have to blindly hit RET at that point to insert the U+8072 sign. > > Blindly? You see the number you are about to accept. > The overriding message I see is [No matches] and when I hit RET I feel like I am ignoring a warning. -- vl From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.16448505389966 (code B ref 53896); Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:56:02 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2022 14:55:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41646 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJclN-0002ag-GI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:55:37 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:64966) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJclM-0002aY-CE for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:55:36 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 21EEtXun025091 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:55:34 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 21EEtXxD012470; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:55:33 GMT Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:55:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <83zgmupvts.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <314cdd28-da8a-a818-d8f5-1a6e876679c8@SDF.ORG> References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmnssgiq.fsf@yahoo.com> <65cccf59-6569-886a-76cb-1609f7e376@SDF.ORG> <83bkzarjr8.fsf@gnu.org> <3d4820f2-adec-c16-512a-8fbca05abd0@SDF.ORG> <834k52ri0m.fsf@gnu.org> <5c2dd8fc-8796-fc80-d133-7f65c6e40ab@SDF.ORG> <83zgmupvts.fsf@gnu.org> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-129477080-1644850533=:9549" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-129477080-1644850533=:9549 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sun, 13 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 14:18:41 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Van Ly >> cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> >> [1:text/plain Hide] >> >> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >>>> >>>> ''' >>>> U+8072 kCantonese sing1 >>>> U+8072 kDefinition sound, voice, noise; tone; music >>>> U+8072 kHangul ģ„±:0E >>>> U+8072 kHanyuPinlu shēng(2269) sheng(57) >>>> U+8072 kHanyuPinyin 42794.040:shēng >>>> U+8072 kJapaneseKun KOE >>>> U+8072 kJapaneseOn SEI SHOU >>>> U+8072 kKorean SENG >>>> U+8072 kMandarin shēng >>>> U+8072 kTang *shiɛng >>>> U+8072 kVietnamese thanh >>>> U+8072 kXHC1983 1023.021:shēng >>>> ''' >>> >>> I don't understand -- you suggest to use all of them? >>> >> >> I see in the *Help* buffer in response to describe-char a section >> >> ''' >> Unicode data: >> Name: >> Category: Letter, Other >> Combining class: 0 >> Bidi category: Left-to-Right >> ''' >> >> there could be a 'customize what to show' link that adjusts to >> include none, any or all of the lines for U+8072 in that section. > > We are mis-communicating. I thought you were talking about > completions on character names in "C-x 8 RET", and I thought you were > suggesting how to provide meaningful names to CJK Ideographs for that > completion. But for that, each character should have a single unique > name. > I think I wasn't clear in saying č² CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH 8072 is meaningful to me, better than "no match". The tangent to Unihan_Reading.txt provides more meaning than the address scheme label "CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH" which to Po Lu is arbitrary and meaningless. For me, the label * LINEAR A SIGN * CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH puts meaning on the four digit hex value used in Unicode, as it is being typed * 8 * 80 * 807 * 8072 -- vl --0-129477080-1644850533=:9549-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, Eli Zaretskii , 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164485064610780 (code B ref 53896); Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:58:01 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2022 14:57:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42188 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJcn8-0002nn-4n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:57:26 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:57096) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJcn5-0002nS-NL for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:57:24 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Jy6l61jkhz1r5hg; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:57:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Jy6l56xrrz1qqkC; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:57:21 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dh2DxSnwA7z2; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:57:21 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: P4+otOR75knAqO/zTrxCx75uql/xWNQmxTM/8uZqhiM01ziBOb3Xm2yAYoVW6xO/ Received: from igel.home (ppp-46-244-178-131.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.178.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:57:21 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BDA1F2C3AD5; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:57:20 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> <87bkzahl6d.fsf@igel.home> <4d29692-4bb-4031-88e5-4032d421bc22@SDF.ORG> X-Yow: I just remembered something about a TOAD! Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:57:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4d29692-4bb-4031-88e5-4032d421bc22@SDF.ORG> (Van Ly's message of "Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:47:50 +0000 (UTC)") Message-ID: <87bkz9v6lr.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) On Feb 14 2022, Van Ly wrote: > On Sun, 13 Feb 2022, Andreas Schwab wrote: > >>> >>> ''' >>> Insert character (Unicode name or hex): 8072 [No matches] >>> ''' >>> >>> And, I have to blindly hit RET at that point to insert the U+8072 sign. >> >> Blindly? You see the number you are about to accept. >> > > The overriding message I see is [No matches] and when I hit RET I feel > like I am ignoring a warning. Plain numbers never have completions. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164485067010850 (code B ref 53896); Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:58:02 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2022 14:57:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42206 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJcnW-0002ov-KD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:57:50 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:64787) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJcnU-0002oj-T1 for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:57:49 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 21EEvlwa009760 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:57:48 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 21EEvlxV017839; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:57:47 GMT Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:57:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <83y22epvrp.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> <83y22epvrp.fsf@gnu.org> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Sun, 13 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > How did you know to type "8072" to begin with? > I use the handwriting recognition on the iPhone's Pleco App and scroll down to the Unicode description for the character and that contains the number for the Unicode. -- vl From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Andreas Schwab Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, Eli Zaretskii , 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164485087411502 (code B ref 53896); Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2022 15:01:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42267 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJcqo-0002zS-6c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:01:14 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:64435) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJcqm-0002zL-Rh for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:01:13 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 21EF1BCE024850 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:01:12 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 21EF1Avf015355; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:01:10 GMT Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:01:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <87bkz9v6lr.fsf@igel.home> Message-ID: <515622fe-2e56-7f27-4722-1cf1c726f0c1@SDF.ORG> References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> <87bkzahl6d.fsf@igel.home> <4d29692-4bb-4031-88e5-4032d421bc22@SDF.ORG> <87bkz9v6lr.fsf@igel.home> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Mon, 14 Feb 2022, Andreas Schwab wrote: > Plain numbers never have completions. C-x 8 RET 807 has the completion LINEAR A SIGN A807 -- vl From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, Eli Zaretskii , 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164485186013204 (code B ref 53896); Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:18:01 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2022 15:17:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42292 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJd6i-0003Qu-Er for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:17:40 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:39564) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJd6f-0003Qe-Fs for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:17:39 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Jy7BS2vflz1sZPL; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 16:17:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Jy7BS0R8Cz1qqkC; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 16:17:36 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NRGuKWCtKR8Z; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 16:17:35 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: Y3dLkxhfA7lB7uFbIkhscntioa+LL4ClAD4HiPk+Od5mi6yaTbjyfbJWtGiPazh7 Received: from igel.home (ppp-46-244-178-131.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.178.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 16:17:35 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E0F6D2C3AD5; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 16:17:34 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> <87bkzahl6d.fsf@igel.home> <4d29692-4bb-4031-88e5-4032d421bc22@SDF.ORG> <87bkz9v6lr.fsf@igel.home> <515622fe-2e56-7f27-4722-1cf1c726f0c1@SDF.ORG> X-Yow: Th' PINK SOCK... soaking... soaking... soaking... 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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 16:17:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <515622fe-2e56-7f27-4722-1cf1c726f0c1@SDF.ORG> (Van Ly's message of "Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:01:10 +0000 (UTC)") Message-ID: <877d9xv5o1.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) On Feb 14 2022, Van Ly wrote: > On Mon, 14 Feb 2022, Andreas Schwab wrote: > >> Plain numbers never have completions. > > C-x 8 RET 807 has the completion > > LINEAR A SIGN A807 That's not a plain number, A807 is SYLOTI NAGRI LETTER KO. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 17:04:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.16448581821016 (code B ref 53896); Mon, 14 Feb 2022 17:04:02 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2022 17:03:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42433 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJekg-0000GE-2j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 12:03:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39926) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJekc-0000Fo-S1 for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 12:03:00 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=36036 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJekX-0004yW-Eo; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 12:02:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=1gmEWFVQEKhnX+Hduny11jfbQqY3XVkSOhKh0cDnPnQ=; b=VOCQBlOcvMHB iQ2AtnAttcGdXFOEV/Bm954fPRTTkBq+2D4iOAt5kWVY1f6bXpzG+DVQM6Ov58nNswRKyNvZ2J+Yb btDH028chwls4shWNat7PZSoQa3o6dDS+0gCEEUhaf7l+KMdpoqJYGRzUEVd28W0jgxKD3hMfVoaY NkqwASQST5y1YQ+KcuiwFhzCCKSXngbnRoZaiGwJSKUR0Laz/st7q+tdGGGI8ghAucMSgzEr8FwCy itzgLnsJmF78YsJSnD8xnP5nomR2o26mCPqiRcjR4J0evJr0491mUF5Vqu1lCDxr2tGGCSZNlBCsX zl/R1s/rdBF44uGUvRFg0w==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2440 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJekU-0003j5-Dx; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 12:02:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 19:02:50 +0200 Message-Id: <838rudpeit.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Van Ly on Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:57:47 +0000 (UTC)) References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> <83y22epvrp.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:57:47 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly > cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Sun, 13 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > > How did you know to type "8072" to begin with? > > > > I use the handwriting recognition on the iPhone's Pleco App and > scroll down to the Unicode description for the character and that > contains the number for the Unicode. Then you don't really need the completion, since you already know the full codepoint value. 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Tue, 15 Feb 2022 01:04:25 +0000 Received: by kubenode509.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 2fdc42e363b4ad3b60dcb79459c9898d; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 01:04:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu In-Reply-To: <314cdd28-da8a-a818-d8f5-1a6e876679c8@SDF.ORG> (Van Ly's message of "Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:55:33 +0000 (UTC)") References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmnssgiq.fsf@yahoo.com> <65cccf59-6569-886a-76cb-1609f7e376@SDF.ORG> <83bkzarjr8.fsf@gnu.org> <3d4820f2-adec-c16-512a-8fbca05abd0@SDF.ORG> <834k52ri0m.fsf@gnu.org> <5c2dd8fc-8796-fc80-d133-7f65c6e40ab@SDF.ORG> <83zgmupvts.fsf@gnu.org> <314cdd28-da8a-a818-d8f5-1a6e876679c8@SDF.ORG> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 09:04:14 +0800 Message-ID: <875yphey9d.fsf@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19724 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 421 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Van Ly writes: > =E8=81=B2 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH 8072 > > is meaningful to me, better than "no match". The tangent to > Unihan_Reading.txt provides more meaning than the address scheme label > "CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH" which to Po Lu is arbitrary and meaningless. Then if that's what you want, you're better served by one of the Chinese input methods, such as `chinese-py', as opposed to `insert-char'. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Andreas Schwab Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, Eli Zaretskii , 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164492359023092 (code B ref 53896); Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:14:02 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2022 11:13:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43687 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJvle-00060O-9h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 06:13:10 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:57912) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJvld-00060D-97 for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 06:13:09 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@sdf.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 21FBD626023330 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:13:07 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 21FBD6Ea009676; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:13:06 GMT Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:13:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <877d9xv5o1.fsf@igel.home> Message-ID: <426e54b-e364-e59c-666c-9ae675e86578@SDF.ORG> References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> <87bkzahl6d.fsf@igel.home> <4d29692-4bb-4031-88e5-4032d421bc22@SDF.ORG> <87bkz9v6lr.fsf@igel.home> <515622fe-2e56-7f27-4722-1cf1c726f0c1@SDF.ORG> <877d9xv5o1.fsf@igel.home> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Mon, 14 Feb 2022, Andreas Schwab wrote: >> C-x 8 RET 807 has the completion >> >> LINEAR A SIGN A807 > > That's not a plain number, A807 is SYLOTI NAGRI LETTER KO. > People interested in studying Linear A signs will appreciate that more informative label. IIRC that first hex value has flags indicating the number of following bytes clump as one Unicode codepoint. -- vl From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164492408524029 (code B ref 53896); Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2022 11:21:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43723 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJvtd-0006FU-7J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 06:21:25 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:57158) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJvtb-0006FM-1M for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 06:21:23 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@sdf.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 21FBLLFV010709 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:21:22 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 21FBLLea010604; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:21:21 GMT Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:21:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <838rudpeit.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <584de7cf-762-3f1d-ae43-43948f26f874@SDF.ORG> References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> <83y22epvrp.fsf@gnu.org> <838rudpeit.fsf@gnu.org> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Mon, 14 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> How did you know to type "8072" to begin with? >>> >> >> I use the handwriting recognition on the iPhone's Pleco App and >> scroll down to the Unicode description for the character and that >> contains the number for the Unicode. > > Then you don't really need the completion, since you already know the > full codepoint value. I envy the Linear A people who get to have completions. Having the label "[No matches]" and hitting RET to punch past that for the sign is better done without that label and leaving the rest of the line blank after the number. Engineers have a saying, "The best part is no part." -- vl From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Po Lu Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164492451325318 (code B ref 53896); Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:29:02 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2022 11:28:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43735 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJw0W-0006aG-Mn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 06:28:32 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:56545) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJw0V-0006a9-1v for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 06:28:31 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@sdf.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 21FBSTmB020983 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:28:30 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 21FBSTsc017204; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:28:29 GMT Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:28:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <875yphey9d.fsf@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45aace48-6b7f-1f6f-7078-bc5747c3b986@SDF.ORG> References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmnssgiq.fsf@yahoo.com> <65cccf59-6569-886a-76cb-1609f7e376@SDF.ORG> <83bkzarjr8.fsf@gnu.org> <3d4820f2-adec-c16-512a-8fbca05abd0@SDF.ORG> <834k52ri0m.fsf@gnu.org> <5c2dd8fc-8796-fc80-d133-7f65c6e40ab@SDF.ORG> <83zgmupvts.fsf@gnu.org> <314cdd28-da8a-a818-d8f5-1a6e876679c8@SDF.ORG> <875yphey9d.fsf@yahoo.com> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1467553316-1644924510=:9737" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1467553316-1644924510=:9737 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 15 Feb 2022, Po Lu wrote: > Van Ly writes: > >> č² CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH 8072 >> >> is meaningful to me, better than "no match". The tangent to >> Unihan_Reading.txt provides more meaning than the address scheme label >> "CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH" which to Po Lu is arbitrary and meaningless. > > Then if that's what you want, you're better served by one of the Chinese > input methods, such as `chinese-py', as opposed to `insert-char'. I have experimented with about three input methods. Old characters out of use quail-show-key says the input method is unable to enter and that is when I fall back to the plain hex number for insert-char. -- vl --0-1467553316-1644924510=:9737-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, Eli Zaretskii , 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164492481725909 (code B ref 53896); Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:34:01 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2022 11:33:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43740 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJw5R-0006jp-8k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 06:33:37 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:49776) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJw5P-0006jh-Ub for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 06:33:36 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Jyf9V2HKmz1r56P; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 12:33:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Jyf9V0RPhz1qqkC; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 12:33:34 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PRCqUgAmZ_vU; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 12:33:33 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: 01CP4ejpJHuAyaQNTUlooDpRROEuPCkS8f/+KZCxexfyY4I1tUmAHqE70sMLpJuT Received: from igel.home (ppp-46-244-168-73.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.168.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 12:33:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0147B2C36F0; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 12:33:32 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> <87bkzahl6d.fsf@igel.home> <4d29692-4bb-4031-88e5-4032d421bc22@SDF.ORG> <87bkz9v6lr.fsf@igel.home> <515622fe-2e56-7f27-4722-1cf1c726f0c1@SDF.ORG> <877d9xv5o1.fsf@igel.home> <426e54b-e364-e59c-666c-9ae675e86578@SDF.ORG> X-Yow: On the other hand, life can be an endless parade of TRANSSEXUAL QUILTING BEES aboard a cruise ship to DISNEYWORLD if only we let it!! Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 12:33:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <426e54b-e364-e59c-666c-9ae675e86578@SDF.ORG> (Van Ly's message of "Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:13:04 +0000 (UTC)") Message-ID: <87leycmkj7.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) On Feb 15 2022, Van Ly wrote: > On Mon, 14 Feb 2022, Andreas Schwab wrote: > >>> C-x 8 RET 807 has the completion >>> >>> LINEAR A SIGN A807 >> >> That's not a plain number, A807 is SYLOTI NAGRI LETTER KO. >> > > People interested in studying Linear A signs will appreciate that more > informative label. IIRC that first hex value has flags indicating the > number of following bytes clump as one Unicode codepoint. No, that has nothing to do with the Unicode code point. LINEAR A SIGN A807 is U+00010767. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." 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Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:40:15 +0000 Received: by kubenode502.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 0f45641e5198ca74c878ba219ed7dc73; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:40:11 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu In-Reply-To: <584de7cf-762-3f1d-ae43-43948f26f874@SDF.ORG> (Van Ly's message of "Tue, 15 Feb 2022 11:21:21 +0000 (UTC)") References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> <83y22epvrp.fsf@gnu.org> <838rudpeit.fsf@gnu.org> <584de7cf-762-3f1d-ae43-43948f26f874@SDF.ORG> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:40:07 +0800 Message-ID: <87bkz8xsrs.fsf@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19724 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 591 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Van Ly writes: > I envy the Linear A people who get to have completions. Having the > label "[No matches]" and hitting RET to punch past that for the sign > is better done without that label and leaving the rest of the line > blank after the number. Engineers have a saying, "The best part is no > part." If I do this: C-x 8 RET 8072 RET There is no "[No matches]" message, so I don't understand what you're trying to say here. As such, completions for "CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPHs" are meaningless for both people studying CJK languages and speakers of such languages. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Andreas Schwab Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, Eli Zaretskii , 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164496035329288 (code B ref 53896); Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:26:01 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2022 21:25:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46625 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nK5Ka-0007cK-TL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:25:53 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:61659) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nK5KY-0007cA-QE for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:25:51 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 21FLPmP0001453 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:25:48 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 21FLPl3t029523; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:25:47 GMT Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:25:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <87leycmkj7.fsf@igel.home> Message-ID: References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> <87bkzahl6d.fsf@igel.home> <4d29692-4bb-4031-88e5-4032d421bc22@SDF.ORG> <87bkz9v6lr.fsf@igel.home> <515622fe-2e56-7f27-4722-1cf1c726f0c1@SDF.ORG> <877d9xv5o1.fsf@igel.home> <426e54b-e364-e59c-666c-9ae675e86578@SDF.ORG> <87leycmkj7.fsf@igel.home> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Tue, 15 Feb 2022, Andreas Schwab wrote: >> People interested in studying Linear A signs will appreciate that more >> informative label. IIRC that first hex value has flags indicating the >> number of following bytes clump as one Unicode codepoint. > > No, that has nothing to do with the Unicode code point. LINEAR A SIGN > A807 is U+00010767. Yes. I looked it up on the Wikipedia's entry for Linear A. There's a table copy of the Unicode sheet pertaining. -- vl From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Po Lu Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164496062829843 (code B ref 53896); Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:31:01 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2022 21:30:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46631 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nK5P2-0007lG-Di for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:30:28 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:61041) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nK5P0-0007l6-H1 for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:30:27 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 21FLUOwn010468 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:30:25 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 21FLUOfZ009040; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:30:24 GMT Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:30:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <87bkz8xsrs.fsf@yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <83o83gumxa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rujz5h1.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h794sgla.fsf@gnu.org> <80e659dc-1332-d89a-c8d4-1a9979a9f64@SDF.ORG> <83y22epvrp.fsf@gnu.org> <838rudpeit.fsf@gnu.org> <584de7cf-762-3f1d-ae43-43948f26f874@SDF.ORG> <87bkz8xsrs.fsf@yahoo.com> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Tue, 15 Feb 2022, Po Lu wrote: > If I do this: > > C-x 8 RET 8072 RET > > There is no "[No matches]" message, C-x 8 RET 8072 pops up the "No matches" message before the final RET. That speaks to me a RET won't help beyond. -- vl From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53896: 28.0.91; Icomplete Vertical Mode fails to preview "C-x 8 RET 8072" Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 01:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Van Ly Cc: 53896@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53896.164549392910959 (code B ref 53896); Tue, 22 Feb 2022 01:39:02 +0000 Received: (at 53896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2022 01:38:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39554 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nMK8e-0002qg-QH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Feb 2022 20:38:49 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:45524) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nMK8c-0002qT-ND for 53896@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Feb 2022 20:38:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Lzdy7E+Eofa3CkhEgQaNZ+ryomts4trAiMKFORtvxs8=; b=Y9TCUjs0eQpxJ01+/oBXMqQ2nF 5ylNsJqPMUsEDapmIS1o7X9O8VCEJcG8t3EHxUdc5s3faC8UsHTtarYHyVfGGII0uVL89ERToHaQe J55Ql0+sCVztIW9THt/gwacEDy7s5TlvW3PLk/j/rUhhs6m7vYFQHcBCrj3qvf4Cuyck=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nMK8T-00075E-Fu; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 02:38:40 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: X-Now-Playing: David Bowie's _Diamond Dogs_: "We Are The Dead" Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 02:38:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Van Ly's message of "Wed, 9 Feb 2022 10:38:29 +0000 (UTC)") Message-ID: <87zgmjd6jn.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Van Ly writes: > The vertical listing in the minibuffer in response to "insert-char" > fails to preview the match for "C-x 8 RET 8072". Re-reading this thread, I think the conclusion here is that we don't want to change how completion works in `C-x 8 RET', so I'm closing this bug report. 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Re-reading this thread, I think the conclusion here is that we don't want to change how completion works in `C-x 8 RET', so I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 21 20:38:55 2022 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2022 01:38:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39557 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nMK8l-0002qz-1Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Feb 2022 20:38:55 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:45538) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nMK8i-0002qZ-8l for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Feb 2022 20:38:52 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=q47lYTtACQ4FWJ5g03BPVddqrtj9yTMsoO7THJVgcVo=; b=WF6a0LVhou4M6/0mWAzpGlPuqB GV3Lb7NMc4LCOHYMEJyWK1Vu4geZQV+h9NJ9o90G00j4t6qIK2ZPUDra7nrdw5wb1fl9xQqiipNdO IdKu4wzdhOR6ywL5MWsxyylDktDtkOSAmdUVZmNlNbK8JLWffVb/EhXumtOMj9Qr5CbU=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nMK8a-00075L-2A for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 02:38:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 02:38:43 +0100 Message-Id: <87y223d6jg.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #53896 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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