From unknown Sun Aug 10 16:48:00 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#53745 <53745@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#53745 <53745@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: [DOC] About invisible frames Reply-To: bug#53745 <53745@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2025 23:48:00 +0000 retitle 53745 [DOC] About invisible frames reassign 53745 emacs submitter 53745 Kevin Vigouroux severity 53745 wishlist thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 03 04:24:43 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2022 09:24:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54418 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFYM7-00018Y-9q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 04:24:43 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:52228) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFYLt-000180-2s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 04:24:41 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40160) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFYLs-0004AL-Oc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 04:24:28 -0500 Received: from smtp-outgoing-1601.laposte.net ([160.92.124.96]:35949) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFYLp-0004s5-4A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 04:24:28 -0500 X-mail-filterd: {"version":"1.3.4", "queueID":"4JqCs72m77zSgpR", "contextId":"685ed2a3-e926-4e15-90c5-a88c1434cc38"} Received: from outgoing-mail.laposte.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpnf0112.laposte.net (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4JqCs72m77zSgpR for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2022 10:23:39 +0100 (CET) X-mail-filterd: {"version":"1.3.4", "queueID":"4JqCs71JSzzSgpN", "contextId":"8303a830-7778-4212-b9bf-514bd412b479"} X-lpn-mailing: LEGIT X-lpn-spamrating: 50 X-lpn-spamlevel: not-spam X-lpn-spamcause: OK, (0)(0000)gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvvddrgeejgddtudcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfntefrqffuvffgpdggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufffkfgfgggtgfesthhqredttderjeenucfhrhhomhepmfgvvhhinhcugghighhouhhrohhugicuoehkvgdrvhhighhouhhrohhugieslhgrphhoshhtvgdrnhgvtheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepleekledugfegvdekfeekueelkedvleejveegleeludffveduuedtkefhvdelvddtnecuffhomhgrihhnpehgnhhurdhorhhgnecukfhppeeltddrfedvrdekkedrvddvjeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepihhnvghtpeeltddrfedvrdekkedrvddvjedphhgvlhhopegrrhgrghhoghdpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehkvgdrvhhighhouhhrohhugieslhgrphhoshhtvgdrnhgvthdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddprhgtphhtthhopegsuhhgqdhgnhhuqdgvmhgrtghssehgnhhurdhorhhgpdhmohguvgepshhmthhpohhuth Received: from aragog (arennes-656-1-400-227.w90-32.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.32.88.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mlpnf0112.laposte.net (SMTP Server) with ESMTPSA id 4JqCs71JSzzSgpN for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2022 10:23:38 +0100 (CET) From: Kevin Vigouroux To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: [DOC] About invisible frames Mail-Followup-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 10:23:38 +0100 Message-ID: <874k5gpalh.fsf@laposte.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=laposte.net; s=lpn-wlmd; t=1643880221; bh=hixz+eQdtAWR/JZVnHk9QbJUHXjoZxeqDOfU+i8EnUU=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KaFguXq3TTtZoG+X6Q7WdO0TnA0A/ivUMjj8zMQHfgIvaUAbLZt1VVmiDu49ZEdQY+CzR8knm4fArOGGi2MI7WACa4ImydKpPrY/JhsQTKjjXhXRvIppmhS2LimcyEveIZrb1j29WLcOkZdUuhgjz5cpU0LkYebf0CyvGSSH9W1+DC4t5e5ClQwhdAmcgTX0LOR2merIh+7Lq+RyMyL6VkH3KBCoJiYOg3DCwr75SaqIhh8bsQF5O4Yk2+JyRm7vcbPhKr4Y0NSSFgSVUC8X9XXMIZCeoUXXcMZYaJmTbwdGBqzRIYCEAwn7lBO45dNJ69Dq2U8CKqST+qRlipUhSw==; Received-SPF: pass client-ip=160.92.124.96; envelope-from=ke.vigouroux@laposte.net; helo=smtp-outgoing-1601.laposte.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Manual — section “29.11 Visibility of Frames” • https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Visibility-of-Frames.html -- Kevin Vigouroux Best regards Content analysis details: (2.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 T_SPF_HELO_TEMPERROR SPF: test of HELO record failed (temperror) 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (ke.vigouroux[at]laposte.net) 0.9 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) [SPF failed: Please see http://www.openspf.org/Why?s=mfrom;id=ke.vigouroux%40laposte.net;ip=209.51.188.17;r=debbugs.gnu.org] -0.0 T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE No description available. 1.5 SPOOFED_FREEMAIL No description available. 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Sat, 5 Feb 2022 08:28:00 +0100 (CET) From: Kevin Vigouroux To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Re: Toggle the visibility state of frames References: <874k5gpalh.fsf@laposte.net> Mail-Followup-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 08:27:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 3 Feb 2022 16:32:40 +0000") Message-ID: <87iltthiww.fsf_-_@laposte.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=laposte.net; s=lpn-wlmd; t=1644046082; bh=Vcyj4oXylD1cWN2fsQ4BhiSxYCnCpJWUpajuJvSbMtU=; h=From:To:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dZii+DYZg7JlaKCUwfuaSXrzHayC/h+shYkeb5J3ewYCGscZQBLqTkfjlDdHYHPcgDhwR8T9PlGsK3QxXVx5bZLQDlAVBZ1Tz4q76Qdqv5tSycINa5r4HJCRlzjo2O42PO2SKcLht4robC06bbRV8ny6a+9LOOPMrTwYZ6NzEKxIsEJyqbM6T9SUPmtokg2kE0f2fDsHU2S2C7I7pfMxc0onkfdC62gwpOsWZsJO0mZhPWWu4DN1GGgGrCtNjUaJthYclz8QTRhCqLgbN9PZiI+wdAsXz4K6cNsAZFqJCmhq3BeiWdEd9fspID9n9qUWW/urz14bwOetanj80bJdvg==; Received-SPF: pass client-ip=160.92.124.101; envelope-from=ke.vigouroux@laposte.net; helo=smtp-outgoing-1703.laposte.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) One could say that it=E2=80=99s not that obvious! At first sight, I don=E2= =80=99t see much point in making a frame invisible. `make-frame-invisible' is a special command only mentionned in the Emacs Lisp Ref. manual. The user must be able to select the frame again to make it reappear using `make-frame-visible'. It is not clear if it is possible to run `make-frame-visible' interactively (as a command). So far, the only reference I have found about this topic is `minibuffer-exit'. #+begin_quote `minibuffer-exit' When this parameter is non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99, Emacs will by default mak= e this frame invisible whenever the minibuffer (see Minibuffers) is exited. Alternatively, it can specify the functions =E2=80=98iconify-frame=E2=80=99= and =E2=80=98delete-frame=E2=80=99. This parameter is useful to make a child fr= ame disappear automatically (similar to how Emacs deals with a window) when exiting the minibuffer. #+end_quote --=20 Kevin Vigouroux Best regards From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 05 23:01:57 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2022 04:01:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36117 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nGYkP-0000Fo-9i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 23:01:57 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:55048) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nGYkN-0000Fg-EN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 23:01:55 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39326) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGYkN-0002AZ-5p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 23:01:55 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:53611) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGYkL-0003ow-IY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 23:01:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1644120111; bh=53/VdCXATnNhHwYfW/X5LjhZCosu5HPOg1WnpdJ1D78=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=LUy4yNQfIHgNuUu9yzIhEGuMYe+my8+khMn2hyiNO3ngXwm9AKb5jCMZaP5iMLBqu TWwYBeJZEHBiCMpCpGhtuoFhjXoFPzSK2Wl+Cg/SWVKrleM0K0UhbimjSTRfsPZht6 uU8gzcRXL0A/lVUdgXFIgSM+lCMPaXeInYUoxINA= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([84.57.248.31]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb005 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MsrdM-1mNck31tjE-00tPjA; Sun, 06 Feb 2022 05:01:51 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#53745: Toggle the visibility state of frames References: <874k5gpalh.fsf@laposte.net> <87iltthiww.fsf_-_@laposte.net> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2022 05:01:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87iltthiww.fsf_-_@laposte.net> (Kevin Vigouroux via's message of "Sat, 05 Feb 2022 08:27:59 +0100") Message-ID: <87a6f4mymp.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Q6PtlfF42efPMd9k7lDANSd9TGQ4Chj67hRrHtNKdploNtXzwLY 8KyAWM8xSZOqvVo+OZpGX7F62jWo6+PSZG9daoViTp5ZO8toaY5ctxPvGAo5L8ol2ska/Ca zui4/i6CldiEbj/9ZQROnIhxCVLrzrb+0F0O1PANk1BcaTfIFMa/o/6b7raKgp2L30iptbU qPGtof6V6oqADbjwI8vJg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:b88ea5+Gd48=:gfnZ56gnBA2e4yOvboPFbu Te3ikiDt0pvaur/x9SOdyc0bBjYHALsDgqqcLTWb6DKf/aE8sayCO3k2vQ9A0fOWujBrtflJ6 MRNXaN+GvqxsYpkH1OcpoC98R1o5EKrPuza5mTMYh4S+i7hGSzhr3GTJDAPcMiPWaunfFyZn+ p2smyBK4Po4f6xGOMMcHr/tEKDQyxK4ehxYetle9LwxNvSIxOGq1+x0MUllTr7rbeD9cEtJ/n G//TMpJ5Ob3ehJqx5MR9PcFY2G9narVNIt3kueVC7H9DfVOcwRU35CDTjv2bcEJGViJdwmtMI pg/PyXpOpv/EVZ6+HPaWchXL606LNl2F21k1B45C37ePdQRZM45vtS4iRYv/3XWlROL8pg9TD pVcvkGQ1Oq/N6yc4qwC5oj/qHJsOub8aGvBuWBz5pa8dc+f+6jxz8I9haNIghofIjPd8XoSvQ xRMunIa9NorrnuCihS8qYS3cVKesZYiC0jBYYWW12gi12R9e9qhUMl8zcmZXHjznmtF0HXl4q 72JOjlBOlG1PocnDZuqHp+djbm4TJlEVDTqcAREu+9mQ1TygwrW+nPi9enfu64z8qjNZTKdwX Cx+s2ZOOOmsGRFXJLdel8ymzXgBTCeqdE/jCWoS5Fjo+nf5wgGulqQ09MaBLUYiuPwaL1loMb D8mvteY19athDrgxIw0m5mm2+Ps1qK/vx0W3eQormKSM1YF90u5T0C3J6CERfzkLpd/M9QHxE aLRAh+OmNEWmeAsHRsNRSRJoD7s5YYPcHRM2/vU+flgoj+qcvL/m9YYKRcXZPjAW2Zr5y/meY Z+249pKrTjYqSZNaKDNgTzE2bCwzT0boTPHxIaVulJspXXNw8WPe9XlSop3jU+HSUw35+y4cH TmeQ+qtw2TnVJOWDWtPSnwTy3iT4r1yGiTHGzpUTt7TFuzTQM37RXQvhZLxlq7aGkENBROSXV obcSLXMMXRx8MiD+OUsB844YzqHo2g5suWKhuFKZ//qxKPZFBVZFRfBni7WUCDtZ6T7G+30nD Q4xL5j4EDYYwOUj5dUK/7tKAp7bD7teSamTEcTUfzbbvp6fGuYmK2lE4fVK9c8fYuhcbb3suF 5SByQO3j6D8Ni4= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.14; envelope-from=michael_heerdegen@web.de; helo=mout.web.de X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Kevin Vigouroux via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" writes: > One could say that it=E2=80=99s not that obvious! At first sight, I don= =E2=80=99t see > much point in making a frame invisible. I think it's just something like "minimize", but only from Emacs (no window manager involved), and you get no icon or whatever to restore the frame. Maybe "hide" would be a better name: you can't click on a invisible frame, it is not on the screen at all until you restore it. I think for most today users invisible frames are something low-level, something more or less internal. Michael.