From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2022 22:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 53739@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.164383996714478 (code B ref -1); Wed, 02 Feb 2022 22:13:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Feb 2022 22:12:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53845 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFNrq-0003lP-H1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2022 17:12:46 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:43550) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFNrn-0003lH-8t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2022 17:12:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34550) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFNrn-0001FU-5B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2022 17:12:43 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:57755) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFNrk-0005Z8-1P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2022 17:12:42 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 212MCYHo005882 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 22:12:34 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 212MCVPd022288 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 22:12:31 GMT Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 22:12:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly Message-ID: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1846369438-1643839951=:9013" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.166.94.24; envelope-from=van.ly@sdf.org; helo=mx.sdf.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1846369438-1643839951=:9013 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII For the following interactive shells: * /bin/sh * /usr/pkg/bin/zsh * /usr/local/plan9/bin/rc when "/usr/local/plan9/bin" is at the head of the PATH environment variable and entry to GNU Emacs is by "emacs -Q", inside GNU Emacs the dired command fails # steps to reproduce behavior * start by 'emacs -Q' * list directory by 'C-x d' # observed behavior # minibuffer echo area says > insert-directory: Listing directory failed but `access-file' worked # expected behavior # window displays listing of Dired, for example ''' /usr/X: total used in directory 96K available 72 GiB 1966113 drwxr-xr-x 2 501 4.0K Jan 30 15:00 Articles 1977600 drwxr-xr-x 3 501 4.0K Jan 31 07:11 Books 1977546 drwxr-xr-x 2 501 4.0K Jan 26 20:00 Configurations 1977542 -rw-r--r-- 1 501 7.7K Jan 30 17:49 emacs-lisp.text ''' 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Ly Cc: 53739@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.164387295624781 (code B ref 53739); Thu, 03 Feb 2022 07:23:02 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2022 07:22:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54262 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFWRv-0006Rd-SB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 02:22:36 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34536) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFWRq-0006RM-N7 for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 02:22:34 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=56746 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFWRb-0003XJ-JJ; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 02:22:25 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=cMTbumA5jpMZCj4pAzU2pUQJwmuU3JIIuOOUFTYKeHU=; b=kOIBO57+g4UR JgwwCvm6sagnDUqhG2p6l2mZ1jBf0CQOZeK+5ZqjybJUKv2K9Q/sL7oHRia9B/1WGV1b8kDVqGFD2 IlCCNIlnHQvuceBa3VJjDy+ZgqWdJHcWWNPXa3wiAvLbJi5C4E81uW/kxOOJo+haMabN3cg093XPj LHpnIU85h+uYinHQ8S3ZEUvTtqejqgrmzmGn82N9WM9hdwhKNQ6P8PiN1CeccsksMM/dbrT4thXuZ t0QhNvAfmTVXnQj7biON4Qqd7CngvhlX1oar36mzRSP2yHXYDDp4zfKgG7Mp3H3s3dPKofIbMOMdi l2ZeXCglBOgvV9tDSDZyMw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1215 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFWRX-0000cK-66; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 02:22:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 09:22:15 +0200 Message-Id: <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> (message from Van Ly on Wed, 2 Feb 2022 22:12:31 +0000 (UTC)) References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 22:12:31 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly > > For the following interactive shells: > > * /bin/sh > * /usr/pkg/bin/zsh > * /usr/local/plan9/bin/rc > > when "/usr/local/plan9/bin" is at the head of the PATH environment > variable and entry to GNU Emacs is by "emacs -Q", inside GNU Emacs the > dired command fails > > # steps to reproduce behavior > * start by 'emacs -Q' > * list directory by 'C-x d' > > # observed behavior > # minibuffer echo area says > > > insert-directory: Listing directory failed but `access-file' worked I guess the version of 'ls' there is incompatible or something? The message means that 'ls' exited with a non-zero status for some reason. Please investigate more what went wrong there and report here the details, so we could decide whether we want to support "plan9/bin" idiosyncrasies, whatever they are. Stepping with Edebug through insert-directory should help you understand what's going on. Also, please explain what you mean by "for the following interactive shells". How does the interactive shell enter this picture? And what is the value of shell-file-name in the session where "C-x d" fails? 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Thu, 3 Feb 2022 08:02:01 +0000 Received: by kubenode516.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID f419d85a1358bcb6b04f0bf7bbe4a63d; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 08:01:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 16:01:51 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 03 Feb 2022 09:22:15 +0200") Message-ID: <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19615 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 769 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I guess the version of 'ls' there is incompatible or something? The > message means that 'ls' exited with a non-zero status for some reason. Yes, Plan 9 from User Space (which provides the ports of Plan 9 utilities to Unix-like systems) provides an ls binary that is incompatible with what Emacs expects. > Please investigate more what went wrong there and report here the > details, so we could decide whether we want to support "plan9/bin" > idiosyncrasies, whatever they are. It would be a great deal of trouble to support their version of ls (and indeed, their versions of many other common Unix utilities such as `rm' and `cp'), so I think the answer is simply "don't run Emacs with plan9/bin at the head of your PATH". From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 09:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Po Lu Cc: 53739@debbugs.gnu.org, van.ly@sdf.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.16438799343805 (code B ref 53739); Thu, 03 Feb 2022 09:19:02 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2022 09:18:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54409 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFYGU-0000zJ-B9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 04:18:54 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60048) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFYGS-0000z4-Tj for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 04:18:53 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=58364 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFYGM-0003x2-IM; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 04:18:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=t23fIjuGF4D2maqUOJOrhjIPXz/VucRURDHe0Y9aO3s=; b=W/XEwmUXhUwF Ec8h8KOCWx+cE6DRHywcqTD+zfcnrRuwazPr6/qwNZLqgt3+7RJSvXl+68Hoqv8N7eQSytO37ZZMc eCvn8A61c8vRpvrSHm0pgyk4xqu567fTZnXDwePqy8HDlht04xfuPzE0hwNxiVVXX2Ep4gmNK+/a+ AvZQ514AIPISGobKlYqfD0EYtlK0ixch8zRMb/FfZC70i6xw/cyesVP8s03INNx1r6mfUeSMCJRXK CBhq9qEjRfhICcHDa9Ef8ZPxPUlNbNtnZEenJTvlXNgtNO1d/v+T1kPN5wA6FHmD088s14o580wRP QKYYqqTWA62yBcqHnl2SyA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4339 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFYGJ-0004Un-SQ; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 04:18:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:18:47 +0200 Message-Id: <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Thu, 03 Feb 2022 16:01:51 +0800) References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Po Lu > Cc: Van Ly , 53739@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 16:01:51 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I guess the version of 'ls' there is incompatible or something? The > > message means that 'ls' exited with a non-zero status for some reason. > > Yes, Plan 9 from User Space (which provides the ports of Plan 9 > utilities to Unix-like systems) provides an ls binary that is > incompatible with what Emacs expects. > > > Please investigate more what went wrong there and report here the > > details, so we could decide whether we want to support "plan9/bin" > > idiosyncrasies, whatever they are. > > It would be a great deal of trouble to support their version of ls (and > indeed, their versions of many other common Unix utilities such as `rm' > and `cp'), so I think the answer is simply "don't run Emacs with > plan9/bin at the head of your PATH". Can you tell more about the incompatibilities, perhaps by comparing the output of their 'ls' with a compatible one? Thanks. 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Thu, 3 Feb 2022 10:01:49 +0000 Received: by kubenode501.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6ff6463e68c4bdc1e086bfc72811043a; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 10:01:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 18:01:40 +0800 In-Reply-To: <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:18:47 +0200") Message-ID: <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19615 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 370 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Can you tell more about the incompatibilities, perhaps by comparing > the output of their 'ls' with a compatible one? I can't remember the specifics, but IIRC their version of ls simply prints out each file in the current working directory, without any option to display permission bits, size, or ownership information. Thanks. From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 10:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Po Lu Cc: 53739@debbugs.gnu.org, van.ly@sdf.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.164388432311274 (code B ref 53739); Thu, 03 Feb 2022 10:33:02 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2022 10:32:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54587 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFZPH-0002vm-4Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 05:32:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51452) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFZPF-0002vH-6g for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 05:32:01 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=59072 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFZP8-0007H6-Ub; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 05:31:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=/aQ74TaU/zRShqYCQCsm/N2NvJXy01HQ351PG1sZ1HA=; b=G0hEfinUv+Nb 7O8Cw3PBg12Kzzuriw4Mvv3prwVANXV0d04HfkuTzueKKvnedeRzaC8UAXAnSACKQ1xjvCFhj35mY jMfRtp/tWObWfjNDlq3ULDdbmVxI/y2sWENDvoP37TxkxAVtYZfyOl1d7HkGN+6gm9UOItoA2TP09 MKFs9723AQBKBFhVR32KZjJVgaxIpU/qOIzagCi3qeMMhdp+58OgA4J5zmIIw2kInq0sn/eLBPVfm oG4R41kI0D92xTOM4y616PuUaxYUzBJ4xERHZWv+Qt9NjCh9zT9wCoyT7fNjUagCsda8ClSIbeL8i OBHOOwvog+mg/YhjM4VVAA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4810 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFZOn-0007mY-3U; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 05:31:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 12:31:37 +0200 Message-Id: <83sft044xi.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Thu, 03 Feb 2022 18:01:40 +0800) References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Po Lu > Cc: van.ly@sdf.org, 53739@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 18:01:40 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Can you tell more about the incompatibilities, perhaps by comparing > > the output of their 'ls' with a compatible one? > > I can't remember the specifics, but IIRC their version of ls simply > prints out each file in the current working directory, without any > option to display permission bits, size, or ownership information. You are saying that "ls -l" doesn't honor the -l option? 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Thu, 3 Feb 2022 11:03:04 +0000 Received: by kubenode501.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 7828adf84681519501734f273a699e71; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:03:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sft044xi.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 19:02:57 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83sft044xi.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 03 Feb 2022 12:31:37 +0200") Message-ID: <8735l06wm6.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19615 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 343 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I can't remember the specifics, but IIRC their version of ls simply >> prints out each file in the current working directory, without any >> option to display permission bits, size, or ownership information. > You are saying that "ls -l" doesn't honor the -l option? There isn't an -l option, IIRC. From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Po Lu Cc: 53739@debbugs.gnu.org, van.ly@sdf.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.164388650615027 (code B ref 53739); Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2022 11:08:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54630 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFZyU-0003uJ-7M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 06:08:26 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33562) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFZyS-0003u6-3z for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 06:08:24 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=59498 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFZyM-00017h-Sj; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 06:08:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=K8gWfWk0D8ZT+PTd5eepU90llRA2cmzKRE92fmLO+0U=; b=Ud9lLow6cX9O J49vDIggWZip8CUmrxZ0Ah3RM2RlVEr0Twvg4hkA6nLoJgURPck3T5y8UiVF3BtsZB+Vjqn5g8Wxd wwb8qYYROovTIy24zSfazDuruxEOttqOboiMp7OfbcXRTgunNWELYD0iWgL+XWEq80BVS6AX1A5Qk a52+f7muaLVJfz3NMJFmMQowrxPSRgxXtunrhB/c8UyDOyUj6L1K8/YgDEq67xD6oOMSQZbQpKdiE AWX9qbqkHZt7e0Hish2XMJrJGbD0nhMMDnlrX3XUScGdNon7IR7hy4HCBynLO63S1mM0VvRCEAc9f 323ow/XuTElLjYHIbLbD/Q==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3100 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFZyM-0004ft-8L; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 06:08:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 13:08:23 +0200 Message-Id: <83o83o4388.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <8735l06wm6.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Thu, 03 Feb 2022 19:02:57 +0800) References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sft044xi.fsf@gnu.org> <8735l06wm6.fsf@yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Po Lu > Cc: van.ly@sdf.org, 53739@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 19:02:57 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> I can't remember the specifics, but IIRC their version of ls simply > >> prints out each file in the current working directory, without any > >> option to display permission bits, size, or ownership information. > > > You are saying that "ls -l" doesn't honor the -l option? > > There isn't an -l option, IIRC. OK. Do they have a replacement program that behaves like "ls -l"? Maybe 'dir' or somesuch? Then the solution would be to give a different value to insert-directory-program on that platform. 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Thu, 3 Feb 2022 11:29:07 +0000 Received: by kubenode512.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID f537f43460fabc04d93f63a10bdd62c6; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:29:00 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sft044xi.fsf@gnu.org> <8735l06wm6.fsf@yahoo.com> <83o83o4388.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 19:28:48 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83o83o4388.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 03 Feb 2022 13:08:23 +0200") Message-ID: <87y22s5gun.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19615 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 439 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > OK. Do they have a replacement program that behaves like "ls -l"? > Maybe 'dir' or somesuch? Then the solution would be to give a > different value to insert-directory-program on that platform. I don't know. But it's not really a special platform, just NetBSD with an IMSHO misconfigured path full of utilities ported from another very niche operating system that we don't yet support. Thanks. From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 13:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 53739@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.16438932203055 (code B ref 53739); Thu, 03 Feb 2022 13:01:02 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2022 13:00:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54785 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFbil-0000nD-W6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 08:00:20 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:61091) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFbij-0000n3-Gl for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 08:00:18 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 213D0FGg011472 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:00:16 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 213D0DHZ029565; Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:00:13 GMT Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:00:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <54a975e-c881-ed1b-45b5-b18d2efe7b4@SDF.ORG> References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1975552606-1643893214=:12575" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1975552606-1643893214=:12575 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Thu, 3 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > I guess the version of 'ls' there is incompatible or something? The > message means that 'ls' exited with a non-zero status for some reason. > Please investigate more what went wrong there and report here the > details, so we could decide whether we want to support "plan9/bin" > idiosyncrasies, whatever they are. Stepping with Edebug through > insert-directory should help you understand what's going on. > I guess plan9/bin contains many commands identical in name to those GNU Emacs expects from POSIX but they have plan9's reinvention. One fix is not to put plan9/bin on the head of PATH but at the tail and GNU Emacs will succeed at "C-x d" or dired. Maybe a response like how "dired-use-ls-dired" is handled will point the user in the right direction. > Also, please explain what you mean by "for the following interactive > shells". The interactive shell is either the shell given at login by setting as follows then logout, login > usermod -s /path/to/shell username and that shell is listed for the username in /etc/passwd or I "exec /path/to/shell" to change the shell; I think shell-file-name is set to the value listed in /etc/passwd. I had the shells sh, zsh and rc running interactively at the command prompt. >            How does the interactive shell enter this picture? The interactive shell is the environment on the command line where I launch "emacs -Q".                                                                 And what > is the value of shell-file-name in the session where "C-x d" fails? Two examples of the value for shell-file-name in the session where "C-x d" fails are as follows: ''' ;; set shell to sh by usermod, logout and login Its value is "/bin/sh" Original value was "/usr/pkg/bin/zsh" ;; set shell to rc by usermod, logout and login Its value is "/usr/local/plan9/bin/rc" Original value was "/usr/pkg/bin/zsh" ''' -- vl --0-1975552606-1643893214=:12575-- From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 13:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Po Lu Cc: 53739@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.16438935323520 (code B ref 53739); Thu, 03 Feb 2022 13:06:01 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2022 13:05:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54789 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFbno-0000ui-Kk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 08:05:32 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:60609) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFbnn-0000uZ-Cz for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 08:05:31 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 213D5ThQ009782 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:05:30 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 213D5Rr1021689; Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:05:28 GMT Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:05:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Thu, 3 Feb 2022, Po Lu wrote: > > It would be a great deal of trouble to support their version of ls (and > indeed, their versions of many other common Unix utilities such as `rm' > and `cp'), so I think the answer is simply "don't run Emacs with > plan9/bin at the head of your PATH". > Maybe the user can have their cake and eat it. What if Emacs ignores the PATH element containing plan9/bin and the shell environment outside Emacs is allowed to prefer plan9's commands? -- vl From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 13:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Po Lu Cc: 53739@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.16438939354125 (code B ref 53739); Thu, 03 Feb 2022 13:13:01 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2022 13:12:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54801 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFbuI-00014S-Mm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 08:12:15 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:59789) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFbuG-00014H-Ds for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 08:12:13 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 213DC9jq029508 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:12:09 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 213DC7b9023464; Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:12:07 GMT Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:12:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1084009375-1643893927=:12575" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1084009375-1643893927=:12575 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Thu, 3 Feb 2022, Po Lu wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> Can you tell more about the incompatibilities, perhaps by comparing >> the output of their 'ls' with a compatible one? > > I can't remember the specifics, but IIRC their version of ls simply > prints out each file in the current working directory, without any > option to display permission bits, size, or ownership information. > The manpage for plan9's ls command is attached. -- vl --0-1084009375-1643893927=:12575 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name=9-man-ls.text Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: <751ffc6a-7554-a57f-5d6c-b8751ba446b1@SDF.ORG> Content-Description: Manpage for ls command Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=9-man-ls.text 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Ly In-Reply-To: <87y22s5gun.fsf@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <65234166-da1-dcfa-fe46-6f52ebeeb058@SDF.ORG> References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sft044xi.fsf@gnu.org> <8735l06wm6.fsf@yahoo.com> <83o83o4388.fsf@gnu.org> <87y22s5gun.fsf@yahoo.com> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Thu, 3 Feb 2022, Po Lu wrote: > > But it's not really a special platform, just NetBSD with an IMSHO > misconfigured path full of utilities ported from another very niche > operating system that we don't yet support. > IIRC I saw mentioned Emacs was ported to Plan9. A basic difference between UNIX and Plan9 is the obsolescense of the TTY. => https://plan9.io/ => https://p9f.org/ -- vl From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 16:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53739@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.164390675212807 (code B ref 53739); Thu, 03 Feb 2022 16:46:01 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2022 16:45:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57610 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFfF2-0003KV-49 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:45:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36806) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFfEz-0003KE-Fv for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:45:51 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=34850 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFfEr-0005Yh-44; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:45:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=A8IohcP2DQ3t5dqeY0kHRap2FyTfmDLoNjGNSfnwpM0=; b=FPZNqiqIK8/v YS9reWA1KX6zkxhqHxAZGYoS3dnBVAqguGJYnQXH7jxvPWUa7t//HyGOJFt/VaymrYnexxqkpOgLm UVAym4gOlJVMsgwK7AVHRbeDBamKeyymVQvCP/sJr8rgpHJsYctbh0u0LobjeRlW0f0Tg4FNKaOgL xF4QqTmV+2Eis6/8z9UAJ1ZvJyZDEP1cFy3Cq8MS4WFajYDXmGH9AFaKY/vQRpxF/AiH0Ey8+6UDq LJyYy6mBYyOwPv7+5l1pryoXG1Nqvij2q7ZVun4y77DFfCDp6t8HLOkkapjBMgxIctho/6CMgPwUV WvLnxGlWHx15Jh+ftZ+P2g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4034 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFfEZ-0001jV-QX; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:45:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 18:45:29 +0200 Message-Id: <83fsoz526u.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Van Ly on Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:05:27 +0000 (UTC)) References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:05:27 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly > cc: Eli Zaretskii , 53739@debbugs.gnu.org > > Maybe the user can have their cake and eat it. What if Emacs ignores > the PATH element containing plan9/bin and the shell environment > outside Emacs is allowed to prefer plan9's commands? Emacs doesn't use PATH, it uses exec-path. From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 16:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53739@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.164390683512975 (code B ref 53739); Thu, 03 Feb 2022 16:48:02 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2022 16:47:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57615 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFfGN-0003ND-Fd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:47:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37040) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFfGL-0003Mw-AY for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:47:13 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=34856 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFfGF-0005rN-V4; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:47:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=g789FAQ2IYDgKEc4EoN1Gr9DTc4St+lO3qnUObAstZw=; b=jKn38Xto90r5 1QLv2RiQw0h/tSnLRB4tCNLFUeYb+XiDBDolL4Oh9+MO3rw/dMf5/TDMOUd2k+XZYFnQRX05LNYrj xcCDbwVcubLxFrkABuWBY43a3GaAiP01K80xJm9TMSsglrgTNQdwPVK/vZJcZQGShr7+he5tTz9BO rNpLfbfJ3zndpNytVRvY3NzqDQQbzYt0kuTnxKAaqfI/b4dfovo/ERs6LVeHCE9LCmfCO8+x/tNat qZqaCdjznwoCu7yG1vpDAFpyfzdFPgkkh80g9mQcrmWLvAwLPaqcLGA1OLP/d2i5gfuKegZJu6TuB QOWpKYM6TrDY+SGPpy3r1Q==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4140 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFfGC-00020e-FQ; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:47:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 18:47:10 +0200 Message-Id: <83ee4j5241.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Van Ly on Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:12:07 +0000 (UTC)) References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:12:07 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly > cc: Eli Zaretskii , 53739@debbugs.gnu.org > > > I can't remember the specifics, but IIRC their version of ls simply > > prints out each file in the current working directory, without any > > option to display permission bits, size, or ownership information. > > > > The manpage for plan9's ls command is attached. This says the -l option is supported, so I'm not sure I understand what is the cause of the problem. From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 16:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53739@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.164390687313139 (code B ref 53739); Thu, 03 Feb 2022 16:48:02 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2022 16:47:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57619 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFfGy-0003Pp-OV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:47:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37304) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFfGu-0003Oq-KV for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:47:52 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=34868 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFfGp-0005w0-A5; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:47:43 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=8VyxU4BmWxVQWfZLREYXQT0DrQjLP10I2QygIqBna98=; b=PdLSSX58LddQ EBfiXeEWvKnt7eUSHSaVdejfp/P8bQQxc9P/FCGH+rwYWaArPZXfiEMNr3FXG1RHphiY48I7VfITd ovXU2S4uPdkz2S9g3nDdPAN8Wx7JqrdouWT8xNLL7Bd+C/BivAzMj3aLsS7ybMA90LtrYMT6Ur91/ bI2BgFDaPPcoJHVUz7BVNq+dNaxkwevWRsWPn+NXXStnVdLCsIkNtP/aE2jjQ3fIpk2Emi0m+HUT6 X/WkcGSSc1VLDv/zJPp9zUUGBj2Xny7RoyNL1RQ4fgU7I+rFfyX60duloQXopLbp5rfBpkz+aaGiw sQa4rocGFpCUpGRwakHi2Q==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4179 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFfGo-00022g-PP; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:47:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 18:47:48 +0200 Message-Id: <83czk3522z.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <65234166-da1-dcfa-fe46-6f52ebeeb058@SDF.ORG> (message from Van Ly on Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:20:58 +0000 (UTC)) References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sft044xi.fsf@gnu.org> <8735l06wm6.fsf@yahoo.com> <83o83o4388.fsf@gnu.org> <87y22s5gun.fsf@yahoo.com> <65234166-da1-dcfa-fe46-6f52ebeeb058@SDF.ORG> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:20:58 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly > cc: Eli Zaretskii , 53739@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Thu, 3 Feb 2022, Po Lu wrote: > > > > > But it's not really a special platform, just NetBSD with an IMSHO > > misconfigured path full of utilities ported from another very niche > > operating system that we don't yet support. > > > > IIRC I saw mentioned Emacs was ported to Plan9. So maybe you should use that port. 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Please show some output from that ls command when you run it with the "-l" option. From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 04:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Po Lu Cc: 53739@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.164394896823745 (code B ref 53739); Fri, 04 Feb 2022 04:30:02 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2022 04:29:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58541 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFqDw-0006Au-3l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 23:29:28 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:57579) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFqDt-0006Aj-8y for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 23:29:27 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 2144TMSM011671 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 4 Feb 2022 04:29:22 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 2144TLi0002125; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 04:29:21 GMT Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 04:29:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <87leyr5twe.fsf@yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <87leyr5twe.fsf@yahoo.com> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Fri, 4 Feb 2022, Po Lu wrote: > > Please show some output from that ls command when you run it with the > "-l" option. > ''' ; on NetBSD % /usr/local/plan9/bin/ls -l d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van staff 0 Feb 1 02:37 Configurations d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van staff 0 Feb 3 21:08 Examples d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van staff 0 Jan 25 20:38 Projects ; on GNU/Linux % /usr/local/plan9/bin/ls -l d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van dialout 0 Jan 31 16:15 .git --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 39 Jan 12 00:14 .gitignore d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van dialout 0 Jan 30 15:00 Articles d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van dialout 0 Jan 31 07:11 Books d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van dialout 0 Feb 2 13:19 Configurations d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van dialout 0 Jan 26 03:56 Examples d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van dialout 0 Jan 30 20:09 Letters d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van dialout 0 Jan 30 20:38 Notes d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van dialout 0 Jan 24 10:43 Projects --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 1513 Jan 31 16:15 README --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 8342 Feb 4 13:08 emacs-lisp.text --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 208 Jan 28 09:57 focs.text --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 2242 Jan 11 06:16 graphviz.text --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 140 Jan 31 08:09 ir-book.text --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 772 Jan 11 06:11 jau--zhou1--zau1.text --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 3605 Jan 28 19:55 modern-c.text --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 28133 Feb 4 09:50 scratch.text --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 1505 Jan 31 16:13 styleguide-eu-english.text --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 4096 Jan 30 19:30 typescript ''' -- vl From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; 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From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 07:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Po Lu Cc: 53739@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.16439591198639 (code B ref 53739); Fri, 04 Feb 2022 07:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2022 07:18:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58697 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFsrf-0002FG-Fx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 02:18:39 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:51709) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFsrd-0002F7-7L for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 02:18:37 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@faeroes.freeshell.org [205.166.94.9]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 2147IY6i002535 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 4 Feb 2022 07:18:35 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 2147IXHc023873; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 07:18:33 GMT Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 07:18:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <871r0j5j6o.fsf@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4fa13dc7-67d-d65b-b0af-76cc3227bf5@SDF.ORG> References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <87leyr5twe.fsf@yahoo.com> <871r0j5j6o.fsf@yahoo.com> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Fri, 4 Feb 2022, Po Lu wrote: > Van Ly writes: > >> % /usr/local/plan9/bin/ls -l >> d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van staff 0 Feb 1 02:37 Configurations >> d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van staff 0 Feb 3 21:08 Examples >> d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van staff 0 Jan 25 20:38 Projects > > That should probably work fine, so I have no idea what the problem might > be. > The problem is reproduced on GNU/Linux when plan9/bin is placed second after the head on PATH. -- vl From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; 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Fri, 4 Feb 2022 07:55:56 +0000 Received: by kubenode502.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 2d450404df2a890f6c739717be404a50; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 07:55:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <87leyr5twe.fsf@yahoo.com> <871r0j5j6o.fsf@yahoo.com> <4fa13dc7-67d-d65b-b0af-76cc3227bf5@SDF.ORG> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 15:55:45 +0800 In-Reply-To: <4fa13dc7-67d-d65b-b0af-76cc3227bf5@SDF.ORG> (Van Ly's message of "Fri, 4 Feb 2022 07:18:33 +0000 (UTC)") Message-ID: <87k0eb3w1q.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19711 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 314 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Van Ly writes: >> That should probably work fine, so I have no idea what the problem might >> be. > The problem is reproduced on GNU/Linux when plan9/bin is placed second > after the head on PATH. But the important question is which `ls' is run, not the order where directories appear in PATH? From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 08:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Po Lu Cc: 53739@debbugs.gnu.org, van.ly@sdf.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.164396198313330 (code B ref 53739); Fri, 04 Feb 2022 08:07:01 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2022 08:06:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58722 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFtbq-0003Sw-MH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 03:06:22 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37576) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFtbo-0003Sj-Oo for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 03:06:21 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=44068 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFtbj-0001nx-DA; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 03:06:15 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=WCeKvdoIUGjt10+vGFDh33GwrJSW02h2JPhj5dDEtzc=; b=iIj8ktzgNuvP dkvPP3eABUjs3KYHKnwLbXLqvYIp/XeiUcoemrjG5FYMoTANaXIcnUPzJTCV7QZO3KjEDmKOC4ix3 Y90VswJPGrXsYJdjFc9iYkCMPcfKSDi3nDhVK203YfMF1wJGMu8KCIBvh0AugDyRbNz3FxlRIfT6t qAvYQfdfYjfJDs4rATOwu0ULjRAZG2Hs4nawOsgG/LZME83/LwV2ZJ3MAqzpuFn+ipF0bBuekQphl 9RKgNQM53Eh2OJXBhushtKFNMbRi2GTDWVhXQNfcWreZyT5n3XWecLrYGOUdq1h/rgdqTPF2KK5ky XNzLS6YuX0RHQCwwj45mNw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4760 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFtbJ-0005uY-8k; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 03:05:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 10:05:54 +0200 Message-Id: <83sfsz2h0d.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <871r0j5j6o.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Fri, 04 Feb 2022 12:50:39 +0800) References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <87leyr5twe.fsf@yahoo.com> <871r0j5j6o.fsf@yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Po Lu > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 53739@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 12:50:39 +0800 > > Van Ly writes: > > > % /usr/local/plan9/bin/ls -l > > d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van staff 0 Feb 1 02:37 Configurations > > d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van staff 0 Feb 3 21:08 Examples > > d-rwxr-xr-x M 0 van staff 0 Jan 25 20:38 Projects > > That should probably work fine, so I have no idea what the problem might > be. The problem, as I explained up-thread, seems to be that 'ls' returns a non-zero exit status, which insert-directory takes as a sign that the directory listing didn't work. So: what does "ls -l" return as exit status when using the plan9 variant of 'ls'? From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 09:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Po Lu , 53739@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.164396515718409 (code B ref 53739); Fri, 04 Feb 2022 09:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2022 08:59:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58759 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFuR3-0004mq-AZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 03:59:17 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:59086) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFuQz-0004mf-2J for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 03:59:15 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@sdf.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 2148xBVn008369 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:59:11 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 2148xBSI003884; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:59:11 GMT Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:59:11 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <83sfsz2h0d.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <654b7fa8-6d12-289-b036-923f58eebfb6@SDF.ORG> References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <87leyr5twe.fsf@yahoo.com> <871r0j5j6o.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sfsz2h0d.fsf@gnu.org> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Fri, 4 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > The problem, as I explained up-thread, seems to be that 'ls' returns a > non-zero exit status, which insert-directory takes as a sign that the > directory listing didn't work. The "9 man intro" page has this paragraph containing the "exit" keyword. ''' DIAGNOSTICS In Plan 9, a program's exit status is an arbitrary text string, while on Unix it is an integer. Section (1) of this manual describes commands as though they exit with string statuses. In fact, exiting with an empty status corresponds to exiting with status 0, and exiting with any non-empty string corresponds to exiting with status 1. See exits(3). ''' > > So: what does "ls -l" return as exit status when using the plan9 > variant of 'ls'? > Starting 'emacs -Q' at the end of this typescript reproduces the problem. ''' ; on GNU/Linux % echo $SHELL /usr/bin/zsh % PATH=/usr/local/plan9/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin; export PATH % echo $PATH /usr/van/.opam/cs3110-2-21fa/bin:/usr/local/plan9/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin % which ls /usr/local/plan9/bin/ls % ls -l --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 46 Feb 4 18:22 emacs28 --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 47 Feb 4 18:14 emacs28q % echo $? 0 % /usr/local/plan9/bin/ls -l --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 46 Feb 4 18:22 emacs28 --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 47 Feb 4 18:14 emacs28q % echo $? 0 ''' -- vl From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 09:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Po Lu , 53739@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.164396679120974 (code B ref 53739); Fri, 04 Feb 2022 09:27:01 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2022 09:26:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58775 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFurP-0005SD-3f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 04:26:31 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:53960) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFurM-0005S5-Rj for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 04:26:29 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@sdf.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 2149QRNA027595 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 4 Feb 2022 09:26:27 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 2149QS1d017156; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 09:26:28 GMT Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 09:26:28 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <654b7fa8-6d12-289-b036-923f58eebfb6@SDF.ORG> Message-ID: References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <87leyr5twe.fsf@yahoo.com> <871r0j5j6o.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sfsz2h0d.fsf@gnu.org> <654b7fa8-6d12-289-b036-923f58eebfb6@SDF.ORG> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Fri, 4 Feb 2022, Van Ly wrote: > On Fri, 4 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> >> So: what does "ls -l" return as exit status when using the plan9 >> variant of 'ls'? >> > This also reproduces the problem. ''' % echo $SHELL /usr/bin/zsh % export PATH=/usr/local/plan9/bin:/usr/X/Projects/emacs-2022-01-15/bin % echo $PATH /usr/local/plan9/bin:/usr/X/Projects/emacs-2022-01-15/bin % which ls /usr/local/plan9/bin/ls % ls -l --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 46 Feb 4 18:22 emacs28 --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 47 Feb 4 18:14 emacs28q % echo $? 0 % /usr/local/plan9/bin/ls -l --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 46 Feb 4 18:22 emacs28 --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 47 Feb 4 18:14 emacs28q % echo $? 0 % emacs -Q ''' -- vl From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 11:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53739@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.16439754163358 (code B ref 53739); Fri, 04 Feb 2022 11:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2022 11:50:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58925 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFx6V-0000s6-QL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 06:50:16 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55668) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFx6U-0000ro-Ev for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 06:50:14 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=59212 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFx6P-0003im-1e; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 06:50:09 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=/PnhZgoqzcM9VvLHu7cp/IaN/JBoZnBYGbY64KVRy9I=; b=XlUszgD6Ojjm IDJEveTdxmRUyFDK++5pjl2u/LF6qg8U3pgRZgP147dIVZt1Hqslsj06oc7mpV6fiLvgOMxYhyACT 7CjU+Y5VLVew3p0ZIZNPKTGSXxUnLsPp2+H2/jGJ75e4r51nwOeuPVNPsYx514wius40PTBQJ0Zia ht0m0v3mA1Su/BfJhupBUkTJKa+oOkBEHhPO5XHw9VrCR+qdHie7qoCoXe9WSVjyZQaktgqlWgWO/ ZeHOrRqRcHQosIR1/eoM6h5vRjpeOhOv+drLfAzfg5BJZBbSFUEPJuN3w5/D/a8x+rmpv/MWghUfc eeJFnDA3RqqkpQ+dnW45+A==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2686 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFx6O-0002lG-HF; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 06:50:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 13:50:15 +0200 Message-Id: <83o83m3l6w.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <654b7fa8-6d12-289-b036-923f58eebfb6@SDF.ORG> (message from Van Ly on Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:59:11 +0000 (UTC)) References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <87leyr5twe.fsf@yahoo.com> <871r0j5j6o.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sfsz2h0d.fsf@gnu.org> <654b7fa8-6d12-289-b036-923f58eebfb6@SDF.ORG> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:59:11 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly > cc: Po Lu , 53739@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Fri, 4 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > > The problem, as I explained up-thread, seems to be that 'ls' returns a > > non-zero exit status, which insert-directory takes as a sign that the > > directory listing didn't work. > > The "9 man intro" page has this paragraph containing the "exit" keyword. > > ''' > DIAGNOSTICS > In Plan 9, a program's exit status is an arbitrary text > string, while on Unix it is an integer. Section (1) of this > manual describes commands as though they exit with string > statuses. In fact, exiting with an empty status corresponds > to exiting with status 0, and exiting with any non-empty > string corresponds to exiting with status 1. See exits(3). > ''' > > > > > So: what does "ls -l" return as exit status when using the plan9 > > variant of 'ls'? > > > > Starting 'emacs -Q' at the end of this typescript reproduces the problem. > > ''' > ; on GNU/Linux > % echo $SHELL > /usr/bin/zsh > % PATH=/usr/local/plan9/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin; export PATH > % echo $PATH > /usr/van/.opam/cs3110-2-21fa/bin:/usr/local/plan9/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin > % which ls > /usr/local/plan9/bin/ls > % ls -l > --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 46 Feb 4 18:22 emacs28 > --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 47 Feb 4 18:14 emacs28q > % echo $? > 0 > % /usr/local/plan9/bin/ls -l > --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 46 Feb 4 18:22 emacs28 > --rw-r--r-- M 0 van dialout 47 Feb 4 18:14 emacs28q > % echo $? > 0 Thanks, but we need to know what Emacs sees as the exit status inside insert-directory. So, as I already said, the best approach top investigating this is to step with Edebug through the code in insert-directory, and see what kind of exit status we receive there, and why we decide that "directory listing failed". From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 11:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53739@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.16439755953617 (code B ref 53739); Fri, 04 Feb 2022 11:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2022 11:53:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58930 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFx9P-0000wH-BR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 06:53:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56292) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nFx9N-0000w5-Uq for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 06:53:14 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=59510 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFx94-0004HT-MT; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 06:53:08 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=WjMkI6235OrY3b00oUalyYiGDBh/oU14uBjwjLRxg+c=; b=gUWEQUUFdGTr W9DpX6/OSjMWK60B7+o5eqp95k2hJL9bUCnzMptt6nlmT4ZdFpyH3HvG/zry607l9t2sqSYDWqp4O r9Pau3qTk9ra8MfDnZYje0Lt6VVs8ZvUyTmBAZoIaliUViPMZwj9XqDwf4F4uqtR7kxFZn7X4cHZr sfTWI328ofVTJuJWMzZiEseal4Kfl3NCOoqTdPD0FVBn0NWI+Dl0LZ9JTrSB8qr9j4y4kzRqpXdfd nurVADcTbfCbScYPjLof6P+rj4JSaHXOhyNTrWx0nJWlQFcoCXaJoVXGrxNwUwpf0mczW2mX7FrE0 hyeTyrddLWgsKxDrYQ6jZg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2851 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nFx90-00033u-Jw; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 06:52:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 13:52:58 +0200 Message-Id: <83mtj63l2d.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Van Ly on Fri, 4 Feb 2022 09:26:28 +0000 (UTC)) References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <87leyr5twe.fsf@yahoo.com> <871r0j5j6o.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sfsz2h0d.fsf@gnu.org> <654b7fa8-6d12-289-b036-923f58eebfb6@SDF.ORG> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 09:26:28 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly > cc: Po Lu , 53739@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Fri, 4 Feb 2022, Van Ly wrote: > > > On Fri, 4 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > >> > >> So: what does "ls -l" return as exit status when using the plan9 > >> variant of 'ls'? > >> > > > > This also reproduces the problem. I don't see what it reproduces, and more importantly, don't see how this is relevant. Please step through the code of insert-directory and describe here what you see there when it reports the error. Everything else is just noise, as far as investigation of this problem is concerned. From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 03:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53739@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.164403043224341 (code B ref 53739); Sat, 05 Feb 2022 03:08:02 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2022 03:07:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33352 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nGBPr-0006KX-QQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 22:07:12 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:59504) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nGBPp-0006KO-FM for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 22:07:10 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@sdf.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 215377Bk011003 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Sat, 5 Feb 2022 03:07:08 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 215377tM029461; Sat, 5 Feb 2022 03:07:07 GMT Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 03:07:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <83mtj63l2d.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <81de2e66-99d7-29f-40b8-e9454ae77ae1@SDF.ORG> References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <87leyr5twe.fsf@yahoo.com> <871r0j5j6o.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sfsz2h0d.fsf@gnu.org> <654b7fa8-6d12-289-b036-923f58eebfb6@SDF.ORG> <83mtj63l2d.fsf@gnu.org> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-705254048-1644030427=:9657" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-705254048-1644030427=:9657 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 4 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote:                      Please step through the code of insert-directory > and describe here what you see there when it reports the error. > Everything else is just noise, as far as investigation of this problem > is concerned. Using Edebug on the instrumented insert-directory function narrows in on lisp/files.el ''' 7502 (apply 'call-process 7503 insert-directory-program nil t nil 7504 (append 7505 (if (listp switches) switches 7506 (unless (equal switches "") 7507 ;; Split the switches at any spaces so we can 7508 ;; pass separate options as separate args . 7509 (split-string-and-unquote switches))) 7510 ;; Avoid lossage if FILE starts with `-'. 7511 '("--") 7512 (list file)))))) ''' The "result" exit status is "1" on line 7512 closing parenthesises. The call is "ls -al -- /usr/X" and the problem is Plan's ls doesn't take the "-a" switch. For example ''' % ls -a usage: ls [-dlmnpqrstuFQ] [file ...] % echo $? 1 % ls -al usage: ls [-dlmnpqrstuFQ] [file ...] % echo $? 1 ''' The Edebug steps continue to line 7581. lisp/files.el:7581 "Listing directory failed but `access-file' worked" In the case of Plan9's ls what is needed is to leave out the "-a" switch. -- vl --0-705254048-1644030427=:9657-- From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 07:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53739@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.164404665113266 (code B ref 53739); Sat, 05 Feb 2022 07:38:01 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2022 07:37:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33642 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nGFdT-0003Ru-Hl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 02:37:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46606) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nGFdR-0003Rh-7d for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 02:37:29 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=54522 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGFdK-0006Fq-FL; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 02:37:23 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=hMh7GIGY1p/JRCFDi63LmBInptpLMX4QwKgARz6fNgk=; b=WVEKbqZ9/hh5 SmWbp1oPi5CHHJI7YGbR8B0f+MVhJb5xY+eXmGNPxVE/5ya6pF+EvCnASj945Z5eXUgv1tWuOIv9z XwSqhcpFqYGv/nHF/S8WBnE/0B1moSW2XIR8BU54Q9YlmDtmeRCad8tbjYBoSSzAwZNyiwXymQFhr pFGZLL2J9TXJ+2z0C7eOuOEZWCer1cqRfw9epv0u8BjMm2HWrf/53JLWlMk8b1jZhUVGBYswSSG3s c9anx4zPOU7hpFlYxNY2iAFKt/3azyW+bQfkSS8IaHv5lw0Bjn4nKA1zg31Xr7ZHhzsUVo98qUgNg EeZrBdc8FmvVvcuIzVz0dg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3805 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGFdG-000322-SC; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 02:37:21 -0500 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 09:37:00 +0200 Message-Id: <831r0h3gtf.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <81de2e66-99d7-29f-40b8-e9454ae77ae1@SDF.ORG> (message from Van Ly on Sat, 5 Feb 2022 03:07:07 +0000 (UTC)) References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <87leyr5twe.fsf@yahoo.com> <871r0j5j6o.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sfsz2h0d.fsf@gnu.org> <654b7fa8-6d12-289-b036-923f58eebfb6@SDF.ORG> <83mtj63l2d.fsf@gnu.org> <81de2e66-99d7-29f-40b8-e9454ae77ae1@SDF.ORG> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 03:07:07 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly > cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53739@debbugs.gnu.org > > The "result" exit status is "1" on line 7512 closing parenthesises. > > The call is "ls -al -- /usr/X" and the problem is Plan's ls doesn't > take the "-a" switch. For example > > ''' > % ls -a > usage: ls [-dlmnpqrstuFQ] [file ...] > % echo $? > 1 > % ls -al > usage: ls [-dlmnpqrstuFQ] [file ...] > % echo $? > 1 > ''' Thanks, the problem is clear now. > The Edebug steps continue to line 7581. > > lisp/files.el:7581 > "Listing directory failed but `access-file' worked" > > In the case of Plan9's ls what is needed is to leave out the "-a" switch. Which means "C-u C-x d" should fix your use case nicely. You can also customize dired-listing-switches in your init file, if you intend to use this version of 'ls' routinely. It's a defcustom for this very reason. Bottom line: I think we can close this bug with no further action. From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 09:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53739@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.164405187430371 (code B ref 53739); Sat, 05 Feb 2022 09:05:02 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2022 09:04:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33744 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nGGzh-0007tn-Sh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 04:04:34 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:62120) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nGGzf-0007td-V2 for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 04:04:32 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@sdf.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 21594SNC028333 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Sat, 5 Feb 2022 09:04:28 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 21594Teh005494; Sat, 5 Feb 2022 09:04:29 GMT Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 09:04:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <831r0h3gtf.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <861e5e39-1e49-f078-89b1-fd94c87fdc2@SDF.ORG> References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <87leyr5twe.fsf@yahoo.com> <871r0j5j6o.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sfsz2h0d.fsf@gnu.org> <654b7fa8-6d12-289-b036-923f58eebfb6@SDF.ORG> <83mtj63l2d.fsf@gnu.org> <81de2e66-99d7-29f-40b8-e9454ae77ae1@SDF.ORG> <831r0h3gtf.fsf@gnu.org> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Sat, 5 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> In the case of Plan9's ls what is needed is to leave out the "-a" switch. > > Which means "C-u C-x d" should fix your use case nicely. You can also > customize dired-listing-switches in your init file, if you intend to > use this version of 'ls' routinely. It's a defcustom for this very > reason. > > Bottom line: I think we can close this bug with no further action. > Thanks. Another fix is to re-order Emacs's exec-path and put plan9/bin second last at the bottom. Emacs could DWIM to the exec-path on seeing plan9/bin at the top. -- vl From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 09:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Van Ly Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53739@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.164405283731794 (code B ref 53739); Sat, 05 Feb 2022 09:21:02 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2022 09:20:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33761 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nGHFF-0008Gk-Cs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 04:20:37 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58208) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nGHFD-0008GW-NR for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 04:20:36 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=57036 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGHF8-0002js-Dg; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 04:20:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=e+eDKEb29qQogPBpkIRqrtMXn/3nNDfVApDyJL9mNjY=; b=Wzm1MZHadrzl E1pJkpAsynJvhvFtOGRRtDuMjUV7pvzsaBrGXS2p0g8N4BcWKszsXIXeII/XbQrdiUnjhRjBuzBph Phq9hsFKjriaCjyURW85MIZf97NApQKw0Y20LGpoSNJ27ZoklOQwoMugbycacxHi5vumrqwtvZMjj 4yqVMtIlkdkIdi3HEhsoL9iQ2frZDlFPex3Gia7oqnukXacb0ImDEbnh1+Oj++oNeLFys6EJ9PGFy k8qu2P22AsxfLK6K+YCN7r04Akt4ky5LsWoa2brHRKylP0ZKy/IQtvpFlVk16wQYAzq9r2ibR9wHP nVAMY7SvGPoNJHC+OQC2Iw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2116 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGHEk-0003cf-Dw; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 04:20:08 -0500 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 11:19:47 +0200 Message-Id: <83sfsx1xho.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <861e5e39-1e49-f078-89b1-fd94c87fdc2@SDF.ORG> (message from Van Ly on Sat, 5 Feb 2022 09:04:29 +0000 (UTC)) References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <87leyr5twe.fsf@yahoo.com> <871r0j5j6o.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sfsz2h0d.fsf@gnu.org> <654b7fa8-6d12-289-b036-923f58eebfb6@SDF.ORG> <83mtj63l2d.fsf@gnu.org> <81de2e66-99d7-29f-40b8-e9454ae77ae1@SDF.ORG> <831r0h3gtf.fsf@gnu.org> <861e5e39-1e49-f078-89b1-fd94c87fdc2@SDF.ORG> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 09:04:29 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly > cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53739@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Sat, 5 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> In the case of Plan9's ls what is needed is to leave out the "-a" switch. > > > > Which means "C-u C-x d" should fix your use case nicely. You can also > > customize dired-listing-switches in your init file, if you intend to > > use this version of 'ls' routinely. It's a defcustom for this very > > reason. > > > > Bottom line: I think we can close this bug with no further action. > > > > Thanks. > > Another fix is to re-order Emacs's exec-path and put plan9/bin second > last at the bottom. Emacs could DWIM to the exec-path on seeing > plan9/bin at the top. I see no need to change Emacs for such a corner use case that already has an easy solution. From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 10:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 53739@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.164405867717391 (code B ref 53739); Sat, 05 Feb 2022 10:58:02 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2022 10:57:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33836 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nGIlR-0004WR-Kq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 05:57:57 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:50975) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nGIlP-0004WG-SJ for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 05:57:56 -0500 Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@sdf.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 215AvrMa027924 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Sat, 5 Feb 2022 10:57:53 GMT Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 215AvsiN016474; Sat, 5 Feb 2022 10:57:54 GMT Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 10:57:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Van Ly In-Reply-To: <83sfsx1xho.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <87leyr5twe.fsf@yahoo.com> <871r0j5j6o.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sfsz2h0d.fsf@gnu.org> <654b7fa8-6d12-289-b036-923f58eebfb6@SDF.ORG> <83mtj63l2d.fsf@gnu.org> <81de2e66-99d7-29f-40b8-e9454ae77ae1@SDF.ORG> <831r0h3gtf.fsf@gnu.org> <861e5e39-1e49-f078-89b1-fd94c87fdc2@SDF.ORG> <83sfsx1xho.fsf@gnu.org> Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Sat, 5 Feb 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > I see no need to change Emacs for such a corner use case that already > has an easy solution. > Anyway. I wonder what the Lisp Machine designers would have done for this corner case in the sense of furniture design and comfort. For me, Emacs feels like furniture at times. Edebug was an easy to use experience and well designed. -- vl From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53739: 28.0.91; "C-x d" fails when "emacs -Q" starts on NetBSD with plan9/bin on head of PATH Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 21:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53739 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, Van Ly , 53739@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53739-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53739.16440982772145 (code B ref 53739); Sat, 05 Feb 2022 21:58:02 +0000 Received: (at 53739) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2022 21:57:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35761 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nGT49-0000YX-JN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 16:57:57 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:49512) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nGT47-0000YG-73 for 53739@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 16:57:55 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=FsHuFgxpwHAiSIzlIF2HvlEhfCOA/bsz5LPpKdwIMUk=; b=TMydMk+PLwIXGNypNqz5/EXXB7 LU3Xn58zC5NwR9j7oAhQ1wATfHw9nNUi8jIPFuPfp/0bjrgujNltG0LHTs1+UsVw8DO4DwsjI3EUq Eh3vQElg3dUX2xYlcF2A1vO4aDMwEw+U7ePKd2GyDzU2mUQqwaAOq1qPVpnh6Q0CNhMU=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nGT3y-0004DB-0t; Sat, 05 Feb 2022 22:57:48 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <9ce42bb5-4671-af8f-9132-ce993eb3d8f@SDF.ORG> <83iltw5s9k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o83o7500.fsf@yahoo.com> <831r0k5mvc.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsp06zgb.fsf@yahoo.com> <87leyr5twe.fsf@yahoo.com> <871r0j5j6o.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sfsz2h0d.fsf@gnu.org> <654b7fa8-6d12-289-b036-923f58eebfb6@SDF.ORG> <83mtj63l2d.fsf@gnu.org> <81de2e66-99d7-29f-40b8-e9454ae77ae1@SDF.ORG> <831r0h3gtf.fsf@gnu.org> X-Now-Playing: David Bowie's _Young Americans_: "Across The Universe" Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 22:57:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <831r0h3gtf.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 05 Feb 2022 09:37:00 +0200") Message-ID: <87bkzlasdk.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Bottom line: I think we can close this bug with no further action. I agree. Now done. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Bottom line: I think we can close this bug with no further action. I agree. 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