From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:46:14 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5361: .elcs should tell more about the .els they were compiled from Reply-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 5361@debbugs.gnu.org Mail-Followup-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 5361@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:08:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 5361 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.126325848228465 (code B ref -1); Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:08:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2010 01:08:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUVEl-0007P1-Pp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:08:00 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUVEj-0007Oi-Le for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:07:58 -0500 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:54407) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUVEg-0008O0-2O for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:07:54 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NUVEf-0001dC-Ha for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:07:53 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on monty-python X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,FORGED_RCVD_HELO,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from caiajhbdccah.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.207]:46576 helo=homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NUVEf-0001co-5L for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:07:53 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-6-10.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.6.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93656D26E6 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:07:51 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:29:27 +0800 Message-ID: <874omslcl4.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) Let's try to compare two .elc files to see if they are different. $ diff -a *.elc 2,4c2,4 < ;;; Compiled by jidanni@jidanni1.jidanni.org on Sat Jul 25 03:33:07 2009 < ;;; from file /home/jidanni/tmp/emacs-w3m/w3m-dtree.el < ;;; in Emacs version 23.0.96.1 --- > ;;; Compiled by root@jidanni1.jidanni.org on Thu Jan 7 04:59:34 2010 > ;;; from file /usr/share/emacs-snapshot/site-lisp/w3m/w3m-dtree.el > ;;; in Emacs version 23.1.91.1 ... Well, what would really help is if along with mentioning which .el file the .elc file was compiled from, would be adding checksum and some ls -l information about the .el file. Else it is really hard figuring out if the .elcs are really derived from the .els currently nearby. (And no, nobody wants to compile again just to see.) From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:46:14 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5361: .elcs should tell more about the .els they were compiled from Reply-To: Jason Rumney , 5361@debbugs.gnu.org Mail-Followup-To: Jason Rumney , 5361@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Jason Rumney Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 5361 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 5361-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5361.126326231931033 (code B ref 5361); Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:12:02 +0000 Received: (at 5361) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2010 02:11:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUWEg-00084U-T9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:11:59 -0500 Received: from mail-yx0-f193.google.com ([209.85.210.193]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUWEe-00084J-Os for 5361@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:11:57 -0500 Received: by yxe31 with SMTP id 31so21509662yxe.21 for <5361@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:11:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5nA+1VvgO492kmDQMiZDtmR4hpSMrcVAbodO3p4FieM=; b=aIGyW3nj1NQ1O9266itcy8BHeYoySLZL5Dv+s5R+oXdG/LtWGIWHeKkb8lrI2EVppi 9vCyzkvDofghpGvfP5aol6XbIo1M8JQpyPkrwgLKEA7WnD+2gP90z7Au4cAIFpgHyqUo 4CaaRpYBqt0yg6sD62DBUuOX0xCBoc3QhU/GE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Ky38ZRdiMRUx/zqaYcYYvoIdCrnHZ2PcN8Rc2SRrRD+iE1DevAC8aFnZErG8SPfGIr cc5LuusIQFyHc8vD/sPswiYhygKqNgksTkM+o3cDNHiF+IR6UhirnWrn7Te/FLKxS/GG gkwaPy9OpgUaoPfwhUMz0yWshV8Gow2hJcE1Y= Received: by 10.150.251.4 with SMTP id y4mr2081679ybh.89.1263262312823; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:11:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.113? ([61.4.103.130]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm72632ywe.56.2010.01.11.18.11.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:11:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B4BDA3B.5060608@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:11:07 +0800 From: Jason Rumney User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 5361@debbugs.gnu.org References: <874omslcl4.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <874omslcl4.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) On 12/01/2010 02:29, jidanni@jidanni.org wrote: > Let's try to compare two .elc files to see if they are different. > > $ diff -a *.elc > 2,4c2,4 > < ;;; Compiled by jidanni@jidanni1.jidanni.org on Sat Jul 25 03:33:07 2009 > < ;;; from file /home/jidanni/tmp/emacs-w3m/w3m-dtree.el > < ;;; in Emacs version 23.0.96.1 > --- > >> ;;; Compiled by root@jidanni1.jidanni.org on Thu Jan 7 04:59:34 2010 >> ;;; from file /usr/share/emacs-snapshot/site-lisp/w3m/w3m-dtree.el >> ;;; in Emacs version 23.1.91.1 >> > ... > Well, what would really help is if along with mentioning which .el file > the .elc file was compiled from, would be adding checksum and some ls -l > information about the .el file. Else it is really hard figuring out if > the .elcs are really derived from the .els currently nearby. (And no, > nobody wants to compile again just to see.) > If they are compiled by different versions of Emacs, then you can only safely assume they are different, even if the .el files they were compiled from are identical. From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:46:14 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5361: .elcs should tell more about the .els they were compiled from Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 5361 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 5361-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5361.126326328731810 (code B ref 5361); Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:29:02 +0000 Received: (at 5361) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2010 02:28:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUWUI-0008H1-Uy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:28:07 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcbef.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.145] helo=homiemail-a7.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUWUH-0008Gf-BS for 5361@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:28:05 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-6-10.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.6.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a7.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EE6A525C05F; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:28:00 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: jasonr@gnu.org References: <4B4BDA3B.5060608@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:27:58 +0800 Message-ID: <87hbqs12hd.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) Cc: 5361@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) >>>>> "JR" == Jason Rumney writes: JR> If they are compiled by different versions of Emacs, then you can only JR> safely assume they are different, even if the .el files they were JR> compiled from are identical. Yes but if the user wants to know "were the sources different?". If a tiny bit of extra information were added to the boilerplate, then he would have the answer instead of needing forensic analysis or something. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 12 13:51:34 2010 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2010 18:51:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUlq2-0003aW-MF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:51:34 -0500 Received: from pantheon-po43.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.104]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUlq0-0003aO-Ms for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:51:33 -0500 Received: from furry (dhcp128036014123.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.123]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po43.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o0CIpOCf003509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:51:26 -0500 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CBA0DC05D; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:51:23 -0700 (MST) From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: severity 5361 wishlist Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:51:23 -0500 Message-ID: <87hbqrcg2c.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) severity 5361 wishlist thanks From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:46:14 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: bug#5361: closed (Re: bug#5361: .elcs should tell more about the .els they were compiled from) Message-ID: References: <874omslcl4.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 5361 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: wontfix Reply-To: 5361@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 23:16:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1310253362-14629-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1310253362-14629-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #5361: .elcs should tell more about the .els they were compiled from which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 5361@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 5361: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D5361 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1310253362-14629-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 5361-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2011 23:15:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfgkR-0003nS-Ey for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 19:15:43 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfgkP-0003nB-Vu for 5361-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 19:15:42 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39195) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfgkK-0002sS-AG; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 19:15:36 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 5361-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#5361: .elcs should tell more about the .els they were compiled from References: <4B4BDA3B.5060608@gnu.org> <87hbqs12hd.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Spook: Ansar al-Islam Afghanistan Europol Bin Laden PGP X-Ran: +_:jOETPhirGJhW0HeX:2DmF;r@>NAjgAs}$mv=3LdAW,uI*,c-;/UO$nhk!8nUJuku|:P X-Hue: white X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 19:15:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87hbqs12hd.fsf@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:27:58 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5361-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) No. I don't see a need to keep this report open. ------------=_1310253362-14629-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2010 01:08:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUVEl-0007P1-Pp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:08:00 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUVEj-0007Oi-Le for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:07:58 -0500 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:54407) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NUVEg-0008O0-2O for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:07:54 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NUVEf-0001dC-Ha for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:07:53 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on monty-python X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,FORGED_RCVD_HELO,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from caiajhbdccah.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.207]:46576 helo=homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NUVEf-0001co-5L for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:07:53 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-6-10.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.6.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93656D26E6 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:07:51 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Subject: .elcs should tell more about the .els they were compiled from Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:29:27 +0800 Message-ID: <874omslcl4.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) Let's try to compare two .elc files to see if they are different. $ diff -a *.elc 2,4c2,4 < ;;; Compiled by jidanni@jidanni1.jidanni.org on Sat Jul 25 03:33:07 2009 < ;;; from file /home/jidanni/tmp/emacs-w3m/w3m-dtree.el < ;;; in Emacs version 23.0.96.1 --- > ;;; Compiled by root@jidanni1.jidanni.org on Thu Jan 7 04:59:34 2010 > ;;; from file /usr/share/emacs-snapshot/site-lisp/w3m/w3m-dtree.el > ;;; in Emacs version 23.1.91.1 ... Well, what would really help is if along with mentioning which .el file the .elc file was compiled from, would be adding checksum and some ls -l information about the .el file. Else it is really hard figuring out if the .elcs are really derived from the .els currently nearby. (And no, nobody wants to compile again just to see.) ------------=_1310253362-14629-1--