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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=mx0b-00069f02.pphosted.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) I tried to help with this user question: https://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/70231/105 I'm no expert on this. I guessed that Emacs in terminal mode can't support most pixel-level operations. I wanted to point the user to the Emacs manual about this. I tried to find info about it with `i' using keyword `terminal' (even with substring matching for completions). I found nothing. Likewise, with keyword `pixel'. I then used `C-s' to search the manual for `terminal', with no luck. I then tried searching the manual for `pixel'. The only relevant info I found was Glossary entry Text Terminal. Assuming I just searched poorly, please consider adding some index entries for this information. If the info is missing, apart from that caveat in the Glossary, please consider adding some relevant info. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19043 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From unknown Sat Sep 20 08:14:59 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Drew Adams Subject: bug#53478: closed (Re: bug#53478: 26.3; Document text-terminal (non)support of pixel-relevant features) Message-ID: References: <83ee4yl7ft.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 53478 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 53478@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 16:55:05 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1642956905-21377-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1642956905-21377-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #53478: 26.3; Document text-terminal (non)support of pixel-relevant features which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 53478@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 53478: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D53478 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1642956905-21377-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 53478-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jan 2022 16:54:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41073 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nBg7y-0005VZ-7E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:54:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53566) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nBg7w-0005V0-OU for 53478-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:54:05 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=43544 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nBg7r-0002UI-Bp; Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:53:59 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=28YU12vhhfTY11MiJ0qErY2b0EGdmYsExzNIU4j2bU4=; b=M5QtwOEl5L+a HNBcoYwubALbrPNIx2hYap3X033QkfQ329oLGnBicvsj5pseOjZSQWwdteGe62CL36emxzED4hYs4 MkHQxfW/H6kmBGBSPwjVm0deGbDzfrA2vRoCKdZtKDM0dkmu/rIxs3ubiONNgmPkLvoXGYfByQRJS ZunmzTNFisUTEfClxs1bxCC/EkkxCW2bQhhFO3+1ppM09yGS1zKGSjE+XZliR38hy6IcSCaxkBKHE NaArcmfGcuSlqloOCEZegWgBU8g3+X7Up/QCLCqnZCZjbrXdHiVABTy2627cdX0annCoHCrKflqX6 BpOte0AcdUA6K0b5LtVBqA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4241 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nBg7q-0008Iv-NC; Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:53:59 -0500 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 18:53:42 +0200 Message-Id: <83ee4yl7ft.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 23 Jan 2022 16:25:12 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#53478: 26.3; Document text-terminal (non)support of pixel-relevant features References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 53478-done Cc: 53478-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 16:25:12 +0000 > > I tried to help with this user question: > > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/70231/105 > > I'm no expert on this. I guessed that Emacs in terminal mode can't > support most pixel-level operations. That question has nothing to do with pixel-level operations. It asks about functions like x-display-pixel-width that are not available in a build --without-x. > I wanted to point the user to the Emacs manual about this. I tried to > find info about it with `i' using keyword `terminal' (even with > substring matching for completions). I found nothing. Likewise, with > keyword `pixel'. I see no reason to say in the manual anything about this that we don't already do. Every place that talks about pixels either says it's relevant to graphical displays, or discusses stiff that is only relevant to GUI. The doc string of x-display-pixel-width, for example, says: Return the width in pixels of the X display TERMINAL. ^^^^^^^^^ So I don't think we should do anything here, and I'm closing this bug report. ------------=_1642956905-21377-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jan 2022 16:25:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40982 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nBfgF-0001sG-Nh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:25:27 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:46412) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nBfgE-0001s5-AY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:25:26 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48970) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nBfgD-0001df-JM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:25:26 -0500 Received: from mx0b-00069f02.pphosted.com ([205.220.177.32]:37772) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nBfgA-000441-Ss for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; 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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=mx0b-00069f02.pphosted.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) I tried to help with this user question: https://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/70231/105 I'm no expert on this. I guessed that Emacs in terminal mode can't support most pixel-level operations. I wanted to point the user to the Emacs manual about this. I tried to find info about it with `i' using keyword `terminal' (even with substring matching for completions). I found nothing. Likewise, with keyword `pixel'. I then used `C-s' to search the manual for `terminal', with no luck. I then tried searching the manual for `pixel'. The only relevant info I found was Glossary entry Text Terminal. Assuming I just searched poorly, please consider adding some index entries for this information. If the info is missing, apart from that caveat in the Glossary, please consider adding some relevant info. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19043 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' ------------=_1642956905-21377-1--