From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:42:06 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5346: 23.1.91; document --maximized etc. on man page Reply-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 5346@debbugs.gnu.org Mail-Followup-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 5346@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 5346 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.126302453917349 (code B ref -1); Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:09:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2010 08:08:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTWNW-0004Vm-Hs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:08:59 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTWNV-0004Vf-5M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:08:57 -0500 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:52832 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTWNS-00081j-6c for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:08:54 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NTWFJ-0005ld-7Q for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:00:29 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on monty-python X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,FORGED_RCVD_HELO,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:49596) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NTWFI-0005k2-Ky for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:00:28 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcagg.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.66] helo=homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NTWFG-0006PK-SA for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:00:27 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-6-130.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.6.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA674191B for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 00:00:24 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:30:47 +0800 Message-ID: <877hrshs48.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by mx20.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) >>>>> "JD" =3D=3D Jan Dj=C3=A4rv writes: JD> Well, -Q ignores X resources, try -q instead. This fact is not documented on the emacs man page. JD> You could try -mm also. One finds that in emacs --help, but not on the man page. Same with --maximized. There are probably more such cases too. P.S., $ cat ~/bin/emacs emacs-snapshot -mm "$@" #emacs-snapshot --maximized "$@" The first line is compatible with -nw, the second causes an error! Occasionally I use -nw and don't want an error to occur. In GNU Emacs 23.1.91.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.18.5) of 2010-01-07 on elegiac, modified by Debian (emacs-snapshot package, version 1:20100106-1) From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:42:06 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5346: 23.1.91; document --maximized etc. on man page Reply-To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= , 5346@debbugs.gnu.org Mail-Followup-To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= , 5346@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 12:35:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 5346 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 5346-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5346.126304049828175 (code B ref 5346); Sat, 09 Jan 2010 12:35:01 +0000 Received: (at 5346) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2010 12:34:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTaWw-0007KO-Af for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 07:34:58 -0500 Received: from proxy1.bredband.net ([195.54.101.71]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTaWu-0007KJ-I6 for 5346@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 07:34:57 -0500 Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (195.54.127.164) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1C0023BE23C for 5346@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:34:50 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgVGAJAGSEtV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBRIIahFSTIAEBAQE3q1uMYoErgi5WBIMZ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,247,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="24920914" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 09 Jan 2010 13:34:50 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.2] (gaffa [172.20.199.2]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7107FA01A; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:34:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B4877E9.9020607@swipnet.se> Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:34:49 +0100 From: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 5346@debbugs.gnu.org References: <877hrshs48.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <877hrshs48.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) jidanni@jidanni.org skrev: >>>>>> "JD" =3D=3D Jan Dj=C3=A4rv writes: >=20 > JD> Well, -Q ignores X resources, try -q instead. >=20 > This fact is not documented on the emacs man page. >=20 > JD> You could try -mm also. >=20 > One finds that in emacs --help, but not on the man page. Same with > --maximized. Well, the man page do say: The primary documentation of GNU Emacs is in the GNU Emacs Ma= nual, which you can read using Info, either from Emacs or as a stan= dalone program. Please look there for complete and up-to-date document= ation. This man page is updated only when someone volunteers to do s= o; the Emacs maintainers' priority goal is to minimize the amount of tim= e this man page takes away from other more useful projects. You are free to update it if you wan't. I seems to have been updated las= t=20 2008-12-14, and the -Q and --maximized changes are earlier than that. >=20 > There are probably more such cases too. >=20 > P.S., > $ cat ~/bin/emacs > emacs-snapshot -mm "$@" > #emacs-snapshot --maximized "$@" > The first line is compatible with -nw, the second causes an error! > Occasionally I use -nw and don't want an error to occur. >=20 That was a bug, now fixed. Jan D. From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:42:06 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5346: 23.1.91; document --maximized etc. on man page Reply-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 5346@debbugs.gnu.org Mail-Followup-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 5346@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 5346 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 5346-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5346.12630625398514 (code B ref 5346); Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 5346) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2010 18:42:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTgGR-0002DH-6R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:42:19 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcbbj.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.119] helo=homiemail-a14.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTgGP-0002DB-IY for 5346@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:42:18 -0500 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-3-59.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.3.59]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4813F8C063; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:42:12 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: jan.h.d@swipnet.se References: <4B4877E9.9020607@swipnet.se> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:42:10 +0800 Message-ID: <874omvw265.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Cc: 5346@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) JD> The primary documentation of GNU Emacs is in the GNU Emacs Manual, JD> which you can read using Info I'd move all the options off of the manual page then, because when one does $ man emacs and pages down to the middle, one thinks he is now aware of all the options. One does not first look at the fine print. Compare man cpio. But then again compare man cat. Hmmm, on the bottom of man cat it says to see info coreutils 'cat invocation' but on the bottom of man cpio it doesn't say to see info cpio options but instead just info cpio. I'm going to take a little vacation. From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:42:06 2025 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: bug#5346: 23.1.91; document --maximized etc. on man page Reply-To: Chong Yidong , 5346@debbugs.gnu.org Mail-Followup-To: Chong Yidong , 5346@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Chong Yidong Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 5346 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 5346-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5346.126308043429922 (code B ref 5346); Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:41:01 +0000 Received: (at 5346) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2010 23:40:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTkv4-0007mZ-Ep for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:40:34 -0500 Received: from pantheon-po42.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.101]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTkv3-0007mR-HU for 5346@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:40:33 -0500 Received: from furry (173-14-147-246-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.14.147.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po42.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o09NeT7B015163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:40:29 -0500 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 357A0C05D; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:40:29 -0700 (MST) From: Chong Yidong To: jidanni@jidanni.org Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:40:29 -0500 Message-ID: <877hrq4zki.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) Cc: 5346@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) > JD> Well, -Q ignores X resources, try -q instead. > > This fact is not documented on the emacs man page. Fixed, thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 09 18:40:49 2010 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2010 23:40:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTkvI-0007mm-Vo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:40:49 -0500 Received: from pantheon-po42.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.101]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTkvH-0007mh-Bf for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:40:47 -0500 Received: from furry (173-14-147-246-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.14.147.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po42.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o09Nehlp015175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:40:43 -0500 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5F88FC05D; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:40:43 -0700 (MST) From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 5346 Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:40:43 -0500 Message-ID: <874omu4zk4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) close 5346 thanks