From unknown Thu Aug 21 14:53:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53307: 27.2; nnmail-crosspost Resent-From: "Roland Winkler" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 17:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 53307 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 53307@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.164235395411848 (code B ref -1); Sun, 16 Jan 2022 17:26:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jan 2022 17:25:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44177 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n99Ht-000352-Nv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2022 12:25:53 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:50874) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n99Hr-00034t-QD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2022 12:25:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60144) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n99Hp-0004WG-Ba for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2022 12:25:50 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=50698 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n99Hm-0003Ng-Ds for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2022 12:25:49 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:Subject:To:From:in-reply-to: references; bh=u6A61gripMP8ia36XSX8mKxVhIbwelNJF+/lrZYVMCA=; b=naiECyXYCKx635 UTBp0OyVyJOrUsAFTtvb+p+QHikVu1okTdOOV3gjtF0u7m5Zt+Hu1vWL+yQOtNLywX9iP6yeBZw0v xxWFuOM4Yf+Zw2+lOhen7sLPmBS8xS1kZHsPuaUC5ALYLHzfsTHByHTc+jsPu5Z3Yg4zXijyeQ2RP cihc0hnbPCbauX4gFTHTFg8IDnbEuWcaJAZOVBmLdHi/Lr26zZeL23xEpdl0GHRWhQePZFYhYCYjN +Cd0K0qAh7t21Loc8/rFxC3xyvlSh4wNepaFIsmRVqJb+yDIJGyR3/n8iQF4xAZIzH8dEpspiFOrs BEpK+GppWSOSuFRxgr0Q==; Received: from [2600:1700:5650:f790::42] (port=59834 helo=regnitz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n99Hg-0000NM-RW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2022 12:25:44 -0500 From: "Roland Winkler" Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:25:39 -0600 Message-ID: <87ilujmw30.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) I have been rather confused by mail splitting in Gnus, where my mail was crossposted to multiple groups, till I realized that the culprit was nnmail-crosspost that is t by default. This default is confusing because the Gnus info page on "Splitting Mail" says The first rule to make a match will "win", unless you have crossposting enabled. This lingo suggests to me that crossposting is disabled by default. One can debate whether the default of nnmail-crosspost should be t or nil. Personally, I'd vote for changing the default to nil. However, if the default t is kept, I suggest that the above sentence should be changed to something like If multiple rules match (excluding the general =E2=80=98""=E2=80=99 group= ), mail is crossposted to all these groups, unless crossposting is disabled by binding nnmail-crosspost to nil. In GNU Emacs 27.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.5) of 2021-06-07 built on regnitz Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12004000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) From unknown Thu Aug 21 14:53:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53307: 27.2; nnmail-crosspost Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53307 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Roland Winkler" Cc: 53307@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53307-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53307.164276571516102 (code B ref 53307); Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:49:01 +0000 Received: (at 53307) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2022 11:48:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60415 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nAsPD-0004Be-F4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2022 06:48:35 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:33780) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nAsPB-0004BL-5S for 53307@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2022 06:48:33 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=LSrB8I/JD52gpahcq5v8snGN8AhvZeLft2BLXC9NMLQ=; b=fb/p07dE74DddjRrImjZaOvbye Bgi8FR5hLEIhWk15IYqS+jJXB3PCWBzf8wbg/iY37ApTpuR7xkyyPmOt+dmPunIBv9KDum7L9eItP sNn2hC/WbWdjwdJZESin53Qm/C9LCVr2hieYzJODlFm/+dWV9s63ajQfAyE+IdTZUhc4=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nAsP2-0003rt-4B; Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:48:26 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87ilujmw30.fsf@gnu.org> X-Now-Playing: Osees's _Levitation Sessions_: "Heart Worm" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:48:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87ilujmw30.fsf@gnu.org> (Roland Winkler's message of "Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:25:39 -0600") Message-ID: <878rv9s41k.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: "Roland Winkler" writes: > This lingo suggests to me that crossposting is disabled by default. One > can debate whether the default of nnmail-crosspost should be t or nil. > Personally, I'd vote for changing the default to ni [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) "Roland Winkler" writes: > This lingo suggests to me that crossposting is disabled by default. One > can debate whether the default of nnmail-crosspost should be t or nil. > Personally, I'd vote for changing the default to nil. However, if the > default t is kept, I suggest that the above sentence should be changed > to something like > > If multiple rules match (excluding the general =E2=80=98""=E2=80=99 gro= up), mail is > crossposted to all these groups, unless crossposting is disabled by > binding nnmail-crosspost to nil. 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