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retitle 53283 28.0.91; TRAMP SSHFS method not known by default
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From: Philipp Stephani
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Subject: 28.0.91; TRAMP SSHFS method not known by default
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Content preview: First, thanks for adding the SSHFS method, it works really
well in general! However, I think it should be available by default: $ emacs
-Q -batch -eval '(print (directory-files "/ssh:localhost:/sys"))' Tramp:
Sending command ‘exec ssh -e none localhost’ Tramp: Found remote shell
prompt on ‘localhost’
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First, thanks for adding the SSHFS method, it works really well in
general! However, I think it should be available by default:
$ emacs -Q -batch -eval '(print (directory-files "/ssh:localhost:/sys"))'
Tramp: Sending command =E2=80=98exec ssh -e none localhost=E2=80=99
Tramp: Found remote shell prompt on =E2=80=98localhost=E2=80=99
("." ".." "block" "bus" "class" "dev" "devices" "firmware" "fs" "hypervisor=
" "kernel" "module" "power")
(as expected)
But:
$ emacs -Q -batch -eval '(print (directory-files "/sshfs:localhost:/sys/"))'
, Method =E2=80=98sshfs=E2=80=99 is not known.
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (user-error "Method =E2=80=98sshfs=E2=80=99 i=
s not known.")
signal(user-error ("Method =E2=80=98sshfs=E2=80=99 is not known."))
tramp-error((tramp-file-name "sshfs" nil nil "localhost" nil "/sys/" nil)=
user-error "Method `%s' is not known." "sshfs")
apply(tramp-error (tramp-file-name "sshfs" nil nil "localhost" nil "/sys/=
" nil) user-error "Method `%s' is not known." "sshfs")
tramp-user-error((tramp-file-name "sshfs" nil nil "localhost" nil "/sys/"=
nil) "Method `%s' is not known." "sshfs")
tramp-dissect-file-name("/sshfs:localhost:/sys/")
tramp-file-name-handler(expand-file-name "/sshfs:localhost:/sys/" nil)
expand-file-name("/sshfs:localhost:/sys/" nil)
apply(expand-file-name ("/sshfs:localhost:/sys/" nil))
tramp-autoload-file-name-handler(expand-file-name "/sshfs:localhost:/sys/=
" nil)
directory-files("/sshfs:localhost:/sys/")
(print (directory-files "/sshfs:localhost:/sys/"))
eval((print (directory-files "/sshfs:localhost:/sys/")) t)
command-line-1(("-eval" "(print (directory-files \"/sshfs:localhost:/sys/=
\"))"))
command-line()
normal-top-level()
This can be fixed by first loading tramp-sshfs and the loading tramp
(any other combination doesn't seem to work):
$ emacs -Q -batch -l tramp-sshfs -l tramp -eval '(print (directory-files "/=
sshfs:localhost:/sys/"))'
("." ".." "block" "bus" "class" "dev" "devices" "firmware" "fs" "hypervisor=
" "kernel" "module" "power")
But it would be great if this could just work out of the box.
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Subject: Re: bug#53283: 28.0.91; TRAMP SSHFS method not known by default
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Philipp Stephani writes:
Hi Philipp,
> $ emacs -Q -batch -eval '(print (directory-files "/sshfs:localhost:/sys/"=
))'
> , Method =E2=80=98sshfs=E2=80=99 is not known.
> But it would be great if this could just work out of the box.
It works for me:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ emacs -Q -batch -eval '(print (directory-files "/sshfs:localhost:/sys/"))'
("." ".." "block" "bus" "class" "dev" "devices" "firmware" "fs" "hypervisor=
" "kernel" "module" "power")
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
What happens, if you try the following:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ emacs -Q -batch -l tramp -eval '(print (mapcar (quote car) tramp-methods)=
)'
("adb" "ftp" "sftp" "nextcloud" "mtp" "gdrive" "davs" "dav" "afp" "rclone" =
"fcp" "psftp" "pscp" "plinkx" "plink" "krlogin" "ksu" "doas" "sudo" "sg" "s=
u" "nc" "telnet" "sshx" "ssh" "remsh" "rsh" "rsync" "scpx" "scp" "remcp" "r=
cp" "smb" "sshfs" "sudoedit")
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
In my case, you see the supported Tramp methods, including "sshfs".
Best regards, Michael.
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Am Sa., 15. Jan. 2022 um 18:59 Uhr schrieb Michael Albinus
:
>
> Philipp Stephani writes:
>
> Hi Philipp,
>
> > $ emacs -Q -batch -eval '(print (directory-files "/sshfs:localhost:/sys=
/"))'
> > , Method =E2=80=98sshfs=E2=80=99 is not known.
>
> > But it would be great if this could just work out of the box.
>
> It works for me:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> $ emacs -Q -batch -eval '(print (directory-files "/sshfs:localhost:/sys/"=
))'
>
> ("." ".." "block" "bus" "class" "dev" "devices" "firmware" "fs" "hypervis=
or" "kernel" "module" "power")
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> What happens, if you try the following:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> $ emacs -Q -batch -l tramp -eval '(print (mapcar (quote car) tramp-method=
s))'
>
> ("adb" "ftp" "sftp" "nextcloud" "mtp" "gdrive" "davs" "dav" "afp" "rclone=
" "fcp" "psftp" "pscp" "plinkx" "plink" "krlogin" "ksu" "doas" "sudo" "sg" =
"su" "nc" "telnet" "sshx" "ssh" "remsh" "rsh" "rsync" "scpx" "scp" "remcp" =
"rcp" "smb" "sshfs" "sudoedit")
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> In my case, you see the supported Tramp methods, including "sshfs".
$ src/emacs -Q -batch -l tramp -eval '(print (mapcar (quote car)
tramp-methods))'
("adb" "ftp" "sftp" "nextcloud" "mtp" "gdrive" "davs" "dav" "afp"
"rclone" "fcp" "psftp" "pscp" "plinkx" "plink" "krlogin" "ksu" "doas"
"sudo" "sg" "su" "nc" "telnet" "sshx" "ssh" "remsh" "rsh" "rsync"
"scpx" "scp" "remcp" "rcp" "smb" "sudoedit")
It does work on the master branch (the bug report is for Emacs 28), so
looks like it has been fixed in the meantime? Maybe it would be
possible to backport the fix onto the release branch.
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Am Sa., 15. Jan. 2022 um 14:06 Uhr schrieb Philipp Stephani
:
>
>
> First, thanks for adding the SSHFS method, it works really well in
> general! However, I think it should be available by default:
>
> $ emacs -Q -batch -eval '(print (directory-files "/ssh:localhost:/sys"))'
> Tramp: Sending command =E2=80=98exec ssh -e none localhost=E2=80=99
> Tramp: Found remote shell prompt on =E2=80=98localhost=E2=80=99
>
> ("." ".." "block" "bus" "class" "dev" "devices" "firmware" "fs" "hypervis=
or" "kernel" "module" "power")
>
> (as expected)
>
> But:
>
> $ emacs -Q -batch -eval '(print (directory-files "/sshfs:localhost:/sys/"=
))'
> , Method =E2=80=98sshfs=E2=80=99 is not known.
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (user-error "Method =E2=80=98sshfs=E2=80=99=
is not known.")
> signal(user-error ("Method =E2=80=98sshfs=E2=80=99 is not known."))
> tramp-error((tramp-file-name "sshfs" nil nil "localhost" nil "/sys/" ni=
l) user-error "Method `%s' is not known." "sshfs")
> apply(tramp-error (tramp-file-name "sshfs" nil nil "localhost" nil "/sy=
s/" nil) user-error "Method `%s' is not known." "sshfs")
> tramp-user-error((tramp-file-name "sshfs" nil nil "localhost" nil "/sys=
/" nil) "Method `%s' is not known." "sshfs")
> tramp-dissect-file-name("/sshfs:localhost:/sys/")
> tramp-file-name-handler(expand-file-name "/sshfs:localhost:/sys/" nil)
> expand-file-name("/sshfs:localhost:/sys/" nil)
> apply(expand-file-name ("/sshfs:localhost:/sys/" nil))
> tramp-autoload-file-name-handler(expand-file-name "/sshfs:localhost:/sy=
s/" nil)
> directory-files("/sshfs:localhost:/sys/")
> (print (directory-files "/sshfs:localhost:/sys/"))
> eval((print (directory-files "/sshfs:localhost:/sys/")) t)
> command-line-1(("-eval" "(print (directory-files \"/sshfs:localhost:/sy=
s/\"))"))
> command-line()
> normal-top-level()
>
OK, removing lisp/net/tramp-loaddefs.el and manually regenerating it
fixes the issue. So this is not a bug in the Emacs code itself. Maybe
there's a small bug in the Makefiles around detecting whether
tramp-loaddefs.el needs to be rebuilt?
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Philipp Stephani writes:
Hi Philipp,
> $ src/emacs -Q -batch -l tramp -eval '(print (mapcar (quote car)
> tramp-methods))'
> ("adb" "ftp" "sftp" "nextcloud" "mtp" "gdrive" "davs" "dav" "afp"
> "rclone" "fcp" "psftp" "pscp" "plinkx" "plink" "krlogin" "ksu" "doas"
> "sudo" "sg" "su" "nc" "telnet" "sshx" "ssh" "remsh" "rsh" "rsync"
> "scpx" "scp" "remcp" "rcp" "smb" "sudoedit")
>
> It does work on the master branch (the bug report is for Emacs 28), so
> looks like it has been fixed in the meantime? Maybe it would be
> possible to backport the fix onto the release branch.
There shouldn't be a difference between master and release branch. Can
you please check lisp/net/tramp-loaddefs.el? There should be something like
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(tramp--with-startup (add-to-list 'tramp-methods `(,tramp-sshfs-method (tramp-mount-args (("-C") ("-p" "%p") ("-o" "idmap=user,reconnect"))) (tramp-login-program "ssh") (tramp-login-args (("-q") ("-l" "%u") ("-p" "%p") ("-e" "none") ("%h") ("%l"))) (tramp-direct-async t) (tramp-remote-shell ,tramp-default-remote-shell) (tramp-remote-shell-login ("-l")) (tramp-remote-shell-args ("-c")))) (add-to-list 'tramp-connection-properties `(,(format "/%s:" tramp-sshfs-method) "direct-async-process" t)) (tramp-set-completion-function tramp-sshfs-method tramp-completion-function-alist-ssh))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Perhaps you regenerate this file? Try
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ rm lisp/net/tramp-loaddefs.el
$ make -C lisp autoloads
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Best regards, Michael.
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> Am 15.01.2022 um 20:02 schrieb Michael Albinus =
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>=20
> Philipp Stephani writes:
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> Hi Philipp,
>=20
>> $ src/emacs -Q -batch -l tramp -eval '(print (mapcar (quote car)
>> tramp-methods))'
>> ("adb" "ftp" "sftp" "nextcloud" "mtp" "gdrive" "davs" "dav" "afp"
>> "rclone" "fcp" "psftp" "pscp" "plinkx" "plink" "krlogin" "ksu" "doas"
>> "sudo" "sg" "su" "nc" "telnet" "sshx" "ssh" "remsh" "rsh" "rsync"
>> "scpx" "scp" "remcp" "rcp" "smb" "sudoedit")
>>=20
>> It does work on the master branch (the bug report is for Emacs 28), =
so
>> looks like it has been fixed in the meantime? Maybe it would be
>> possible to backport the fix onto the release branch.
>=20
> There shouldn't be a difference between master and release branch. Can
> you please check lisp/net/tramp-loaddefs.el?
Yes, an outdated loaddefs was the problem. See my other response =
(sorry, I should have CC'ed you on that).
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Philipp Stephani writes:
> OK, removing lisp/net/tramp-loaddefs.el and manually regenerating it
> fixes the issue. So this is not a bug in the Emacs code itself. Maybe
> there's a small bug in the Makefiles around detecting whether
> tramp-loaddefs.el needs to be rebuilt?
In lisp/Makefile.in, there is
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
# Update TRAMP internal autoloads. Maybe we could move tramp*.el into
# an own subdirectory. OTOH, it does not hurt to keep them in
# lisp/net.
TRAMP_DIR = $(lisp)/net
TRAMP_SRC = $(sort $(wildcard ${TRAMP_DIR}/tramp*.el))
TRAMP_SRC := $(filter-out ${TRAMP_DIR}/tramp-loaddefs.el,${TRAMP_SRC})
$(TRAMP_DIR)/tramp-loaddefs.el: $(TRAMP_SRC)
$(AM_V_GEN)$(emacs) -l autoload \
--eval "(setq generate-autoload-cookie \";;;###tramp-autoload\")" \
--eval "(setq generated-autoload-file (expand-file-name (unmsys--file-name \"$@\")))" \
-f batch-update-autoloads $(TRAMP_DIR)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
That looks fine to me. We could try to search where a possible bug is, but
this would require a recipe for reproduction. Do we have such a recipe?
Best regards, Michael.
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> Am 16.01.2022 um 13:34 schrieb Michael Albinus =
:
>=20
> Philipp Stephani writes:
>=20
>> OK, removing lisp/net/tramp-loaddefs.el and manually regenerating it
>> fixes the issue. So this is not a bug in the Emacs code itself. Maybe
>> there's a small bug in the Makefiles around detecting whether
>> tramp-loaddefs.el needs to be rebuilt?
>=20
> In lisp/Makefile.in, there is
>=20
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> # Update TRAMP internal autoloads. Maybe we could move tramp*.el into
> # an own subdirectory. OTOH, it does not hurt to keep them in
> # lisp/net.
> TRAMP_DIR =3D $(lisp)/net
> TRAMP_SRC =3D $(sort $(wildcard ${TRAMP_DIR}/tramp*.el))
> TRAMP_SRC :=3D $(filter-out =
${TRAMP_DIR}/tramp-loaddefs.el,${TRAMP_SRC})
>=20
> $(TRAMP_DIR)/tramp-loaddefs.el: $(TRAMP_SRC)
> $(AM_V_GEN)$(emacs) -l autoload \
> --eval "(setq generate-autoload-cookie =
\";;;###tramp-autoload\")" \
> --eval "(setq generated-autoload-file (expand-file-name =
(unmsys--file-name \"$@\")))" \
> -f batch-update-autoloads $(TRAMP_DIR)
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>=20
> That looks fine to me. We could try to search where a possible bug is, =
but
> this would require a recipe for reproduction. Do we have such a =
recipe?
Probably not. Maybe I just haven't run 'make bootstrap' for too long.
Feel free to close this if you don't see anything obviously wrong - it's =
probably not worth spending too much time on.=
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Philipp Stephani writes:
>> That looks fine to me. We could try to search where a possible bug is, but
>> this would require a recipe for reproduction. Do we have such a recipe?
>
> Probably not. Maybe I just haven't run 'make bootstrap' for too long.
> Feel free to close this if you don't see anything obviously wrong - it's probably not worth spending too much time on.
OK, closing the bug.
Best regards, Michael.
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