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This applies to anything that sets `buffer-undo-list' to t and leaves it with that value. It applies to function `temp-buffer-window-setup' and macros and functions that use it. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19043 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From unknown Sat Aug 16 21:21:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53265: 26.3; Doc of `with-output-to-temp-buffer' etc.: Say there's no undo. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > Please document (in doc strings and (if mentioned there) in Elisp > manual) that `with-output-to-temp-buffer' and the like have no undo. I've now done this in Emacs 29. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Drew Adams writes: > Please document (in doc strings and (if mentioned there) in Elisp > manual) that `with-output-to-temp-buffer' and the like have no undo. I've now done this in Emacs 29. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 21595e40-2cf7-42e9-5fc5-08d9d86cb1e7 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 15 Jan 2022 21:19:20.1508 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 2ZWRvJNNdvNYmyLzaKmdyrOxBDfc4ds9ns6Hwu0XODXLkv3k21IPBAUbrjPfOcEMa5JmobuJgaujZZpMAiOHWg== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CO6PR10MB5651 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6300 definitions=10228 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxlogscore=808 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2110150000 definitions=main-2201150139 X-Proofpoint-GUID: rKNyTIj5RH4JGW0wLz0dz4i1phVGjDKX X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: rKNyTIj5RH4JGW0wLz0dz4i1phVGjDKX X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > Please document (in doc strings and (if mentioned there) in Elisp > > manual) that `with-output-to-temp-buffer' and the like have no undo. >=20 > I've now done this in Emacs 29. Thanks. > (These macros all have unfortunate names -- they sound much more general > than they are, like variations on `with-temp-buffer', but have much more > specific use cases.) Agreed. Hysterical raisins. See this: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D16038#113, which in turn points to bugs 8368, 17109, 17397, 17146 (and 16038)