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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=mx0a-00069f02.pphosted.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) The doc of `load-history' describes the alist entries in detail. But it should also say that the list entries are in reverse chronological order of loading, i.e., earliest loaded libraries at the end, most recently loaded entries at the beginning. This may be obvious if you assume the simplest construction of the alist. It's nevertheless important information to mention in the doc. 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References: X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _Archives: The Early Years (3)_: "Tin Angel" Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:33:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:00:09 +0000") Message-ID: <878rvhmm8z.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > The doc of `load-history' describes the alist entries in detail. But it > should also say that the list entries are in reverse chronological order > of loading, i.e., earliest loaded libraries at th [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 53261 Cc: 53261@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Drew Adams writes: > The doc of `load-history' describes the alist entries in detail. But it > should also say that the list entries are in reverse chronological order > of loading, i.e., earliest loaded libraries at the end, most recently > loaded entries at the beginning. I'm not sure whether that's something that we guarantee, or want to guarantee? 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But i= t > > should also say that the list entries are in reverse chronological orde= r > > of loading, i.e., earliest loaded libraries at the end, most recently > > loaded entries at the beginning. >=20 > I'm not sure whether that's something that we guarantee, or want to > guarantee? Anybody have any opinions here? 1. I believe it's been in that order since Day One. 2. How could it be otherwise? (Dunno.) 3. Users should have some understanding of the order, to make sense of `load-history'. Examining this history is one way of figuring out something that didn't go as expected (e.g. the wrong definition of something shadowing another). It's called `load-history'. Users will expect it to be similar to other `*-history' lists, unless its doc says something different. But it helps to directly say what its order is. It's true that the doc strings of the individual _minibuffer_ history vars don't say that they are "most recent first". But at least the Elisp manual (node `Minibuffer History') says it's true of all minibuffer history vars. The Emacs manual (node `Shell Ring') says that shell histories are like minibuffer histories. And node `Repetition' says that command history is also "most recent first".=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 13 05:12:09 2022 Received: (at 53261) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2022 10:12:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36465 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJBrV-0004sS-2v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 05:12:09 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:52044) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJBrS-0004ro-Tx for 53261@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 05:12:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=/yek+9C2Tx46dn5UTBM9FwebU/7cRvUBMxV1SudQAVA=; b=m8HamX+hTaR8rquSAc9cVUmDBD X4LxS6oCuvb+DwOWXJsm2dheMXImt0eGGmkDtEjJYcL5g23DpxpWC2eqV8e+tCEeiTJjpwevkbDwn eB62PyqfSIyO/XDuXvwLNFEKJoB1vbHttSbxnN8iGON2MEX2/r9CXV/+Rdb3Ev8c6SmQ=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nJBrJ-0001je-Ug; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 11:12:00 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#53261: 26.3; Doc of `load-history' should say what the alist order is. 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But it >> should also say that the list entries are in reverse chronological order >> [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 53261 Cc: 53261@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Drew Adams writes: > >> The doc of `load-history' describes the alist entries in detail. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: CO6PR10MB5473.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 0936fcbd-6ade-4883-2cf9-08d9ef111483 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 13 Feb 2022 16:51:28.6634 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: bCHHRObMLx08P3pxFGxlrVOrPCeMRCfacMBooqXsJ9F2T4G+r/m8PBpTZs6Zt9DkfxLdgHbBguT1t5l/P/eqpQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM5PR10MB1482 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6300 definitions=10256 signatures=673431 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=927 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2201110000 definitions=main-2202130115 X-Proofpoint-GUID: aLyKPj02_hoh_0KPXntCiejZwzDRxnof X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: aLyKPj02_hoh_0KPXntCiejZwzDRxnof X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 53261 Cc: "53261@debbugs.gnu.org" <53261@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Nobody had an opinion in a month, and I don't think we want to guarantee > this, so I'm closing this bug report. Phony reason. There's no need for any such guarantee, just to document this. Emacs doesn't guarantee 99% of what is documented (if it even guarantees anything). It's about helping users understand this history list. Users use it for multiple purposes, most of which depend on knowing what the order is. This isn't - shouldn't be - any different from the other history lists I cited. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 14 23:28:05 2022 Received: (at 53261) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2022 04:28:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43217 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJpRc-0002sw-Vz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 23:28:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50846) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJpRZ-0002sR-Q4 for 53261@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 23:28:03 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=46936 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJpRU-000603-BX; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 23:27:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=gBVePKFoCnCg+MWl/mcJJBClppc/DLJgG7gUWT4wn9s=; b=HJD7OIzUC7ES BUp3OfUlzZ4YMUvEWaTw5l/HUDqvpQWMU6S9wdkEFR/BMtaZsEQz06RwXtttSHz717oqmq+XQ4PFd eGW304qJ3xay0ehaa+hqbBqQFK4U+x30xZNxpLAIy9CfJO/IiUJFtTnohghAKkqyUuGc+w+THuGQ3 NxHysjtwpOyDFPAfYP5luRZ/RMLHk+chrlU7x80bfBf5lV4HNz9mO+RY2JBc44wjE55LpWDT0dYHP SxXz8ct1JFa5jDsq0PUlamgJKKV1VW60CouM6qbs1K0JJoXOi+z4DUVw0v6e3QzM++RJLcLpVBtLP ADtfabo3guzAZQcWpPr5UA==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJpRS-0003RI-W4; Mon, 14 Feb 2022 23:27:55 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 13 Feb 2022 16:51:28 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#53261: [External] : Re: bug#53261: 26.3; Doc of `load-history' should say what the alist order is. References: <878rvhmm8z.fsf@gnus.org> <87leyfulci.fsf@gnus.org> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 23:27:54 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 53261 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 53261@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Phony reason. "Phony" implies deception, and that makes it an insulting word. If you want to argue that a cited reason is not valid, or is not strong enough to carry the decision, please say that without accusing anyone of bad faith. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Fri Jun 20 18:25:04 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 11:24:08 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator