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[My Emacs is mercifully silent, presumably(?) because I have `visible-bell' turned on, so I'm not used to al [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (nljlistbox2[at]gmail.com) 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (nljlistbox2[at]gmail.com) 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [209.51.188.17 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [209.51.188.17 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders 1.3 SPOOFED_FREEMAIL No description available. 1.5 SPOOF_GMAIL_MID From Gmail but it doesn't seem to be... X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) I ran emacs -Q today (to confirm a bug) and I was driven to distraction by all the beeping. [My Emacs is mercifully silent, presumably(?) because I have `visible-bell' turned on, so I'm not used to all the noise.] On this system the beep sounds like a drop of water falling into a pool and it is very loud (even though I keep my volume level set quite low). Just a few minutes in emacs -Q was a torture. It seems that this noisiness must be a deterrent to new users starting to use Emacs; it would certainly discourage some from sticking with it when they first use it. One simple improvement would be to not sound a beep when the user presses `C-g'. That would reduce the amount of noise very greatly. 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Jackson's message of "Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:20:28 -0500") Message-ID: <87ilupydoe.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19551 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 971 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) "N. Jackson" writes: > I ran emacs -Q today (to confirm a bug) and I was driven to > distraction by all the beeping. [My Emacs is mercifully silent, > presumably(?) because I have `visible-bell' turned on, so I'm not > used to all the noise.] On this system the beep sounds like a drop > of water falling into a pool and it is very loud (even though I keep > my volume level set quite low). Just a few minutes in emacs -Q was a > torture. > > It seems that this noisiness must be a deterrent to new users > starting to use Emacs; it would certainly discourage some from > sticking with it when they first use it. > > One simple improvement would be to not sound a beep when the user > presses `C-g'. That would reduce the amount of noise very greatly. They can turn on visible-bell, I think. Ringing the bell is quite an important feature that many of us have been tuned to listen to, and disabling that by default would be quite sad. Thanks. From unknown Fri Jun 13 11:25:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53196: 28.0.90; Default Emacs is too noisy Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 03:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53196 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "N. 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Jackson" > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:20:28 -0500 > > I ran emacs -Q today (to confirm a bug) and I was driven to > distraction by all the beeping. [My Emacs is mercifully silent, > presumably(?) because I have `visible-bell' turned on, so I'm not > used to all the noise.] On this system the beep sounds like a drop > of water falling into a pool and it is very loud (even though I keep > my volume level set quite low). Just a few minutes in emacs -Q was a > torture. What caused the beeps? It isn't supposed to be too frequent, unless you bump into errors all the time. > One simple improvement would be to not sound a beep when the user > presses `C-g'. That would reduce the amount of noise very greatly. C-g is a kind of interrupt, ringing the bell is justified when the user interrupts whatever Emacs is doing. From unknown Fri Jun 13 11:25:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#53196: 28.0.90; Default Emacs is too noisy Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 16:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53196 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "N. 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