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Until Emacs 27, code could use this to load the macros defining things like `cl-case' (which has l o n g been aliased to `case', and which should even be in Emacs Lisp itself, as is `push'): (eval-when-compile (require 'cl-macs)) Emacs 27 breaks that. Now, if you need only CL macros, you need to require `cl-lib.el' instead. So any library that needs something like `case', and needs to support both Emacs 27+ and older Emacs versions, needs to jump through a hoop such as this (or another, using `load-library'): (eval-when-compile=20 (require (if (< emacs-major-version 27) 'cl-macs 'cl-lib))) Gratuitous bother. Or was there some real need for introducing the incompatibility? In GNU Emacs 27.2 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2021-03-26 built on CIRROCUMULUS Repository revision: deef5efafb70f4b171265b896505b92b6eef24e6 Repository branch: HEAD Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19042 System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (v10.0.2009.19042.1348) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 04 20:29:38 2022 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2022 01:29:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39256 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n4v7S-0001dB-5f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:29:38 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41104) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n4v7R-0001cz-Dk for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:29:37 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=60286 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n4v7L-00079L-Ux for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:29:32 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n4v7K-0002j7-1a for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:29:32 -0500 Subject: control message for bug 53014 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 3.4) Message-Id: From: Glenn Morris Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:29:30 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tag 53014 notabug wontfix From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 04 20:29:21 2022 Received: (at 53014-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2022 01:29:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39253 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n4v7A-0001ce-Lh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:29:21 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41026) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n4v6x-0001cF-S9 for 53014-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:29:18 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=60284 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n4v6r-00075x-6J for 53014-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:29:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:To: From; bh=PPAqkchq7sqHeJqgfSF462B1PYOEZIH/fB2YtRdzxmw=; b=OsWOmixLoHju6Mw1rMsN C6M7w3HHQ0MuwaC42r0phijbejQxRQX7FYeib/anr0oMfRM4i2oE6JcEhxQqJ/SGeZsAzJojUV5O1 SzcFWNoiS7sy6QASlqMFGz+aZ7KzH6eicWuvxbmgOii9upYy80PvA2cdj4vj6AVihE0mE9Q4jVyUy uo3EFKKUkPzg9V+8AZgql97n0ovRKNQh/Oc/3AkQ8u90a1CxZHBK8DTcRVPJ+i9TY812YOvNJJfJ4 Rk/BKRN5dwkcdFi1wEkVmCXgOZ+8e55/hDeeWKUAche3XJ1xn/lGcYZy7JaL5ZvQt61HmbP8CjoSF hDVs37QzBpem6A==; Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n4v6o-0000Ru-Sp; Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:28:58 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 53014-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#53014: 27.2; `cl-macs.el' no longer provides `cl-macs' References: X-Spook: Gazprom Suspicious package DF Cyber terror Rubin X-Ran: @KK.2e(a=:TxUv@_q_" X-Hue: brightmagenta X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:28:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 4 Jan 2022 21:14:08 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 53014-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) There are several misconceptions in this report. cl-macs.el continues to provide cl-macs, as it always has done. Loading internal sub-components of cl-lib has always been discouraged. The way to use cl-lib continues to be to (require 'cl-lib). Code needing only macros can add eval-when-compile to that. This is documented in the usage node of the cl manual. (This was explained 6 years ago in bug#22291.) From unknown Fri Jun 20 18:18:12 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2022 12:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator