From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:39:47 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#52951 <52951@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#52951 <52951@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Including Swedish calendar localization (sv-kalender.el) in Emacs Reply-To: bug#52951 <52951@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 03:39:47 +0000 retitle 52951 Including Swedish calendar localization (sv-kalender.el) in E= macs reassign 52951 emacs submitter 52951 Stefan Kangas severity 52951 wishlist thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 09:41:08 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2022 14:41:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60098 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n422m-0004ly-IV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 09:41:08 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:48300) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n422k-0004lr-Qr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 09:41:07 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41852) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n422k-0000bq-LA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 09:41:06 -0500 Received: from mail-pl1-f182.google.com ([209.85.214.182]:46833) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n422j-00063R-2j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 09:41:06 -0500 Received: by mail-pl1-f182.google.com with SMTP id w7so22764117plp.13 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 06:41:04 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=7PuN1E8a0V2VvNrrhWUuArNvOOx2CNJSqnFS3TD0haU=; b=jmKyvUcd5zrSkL7HdWg9Bgth2d99RAapOEXYUUF9+ukYGGEq3OQG2wWwuczxkJdSLF 6KjDIaLr063noXUSfW+s/JD2+rsZJ9kidaYaQvld2QyrBerCBV+Pu4PeJzda7bHB+leY rNB5qTTUK97YWMbzTET13T2oFBzns+lueqnBtWAt989xLgn5R6alLU2lHXuyIZGcmAwz 66JO3H55p5NRsZE0eF/ASGfA4mnVyvyMVKSZEhvz/R8EjIzGFeZtuyjdtWL1HAKmtGxw kyQGTzikddn810MX+eHoz8JXwhATbybgog1IPmz12icFeY56hbF9n7frTV1Kc8Q0VXa0 QUcw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530bVnzLdm7TorSde/0I5XyX6/XwhqFTjOyAujSnaEtBvWtzoTWg M8e2Jj/U6Q0qf5kpQvpT0OV3q5XRCuuyFBXaVXZ8oye4 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyH2dLuf33YIWk88DumV5LyTu1/uNq9yavB6sPW8pWM8tT9T9gTFFgUpGdWrzBRuwTHKDArW0c1IhJBN426P/o= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:4482:: with SMTP id t2mr36316420pjg.133.1641134463506; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 06:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 09:41:03 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas X-Debbugs-CC: Daniel Jensen , Arthur Miller MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 09:41:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Including Swedish calendar localization (sv-kalender.el) in Emacs To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.214.182; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-f182.google.com X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) Severity: wishlist We have talked about adding the library sv-kalender.el to Emacs itself: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-07/msg00030.html I am opening this bug to track this work. The main question that remains is whether or not we have the necessary copyright assignments. Daniel, if I understand correctly, you have already assigned copyright to the FSF for Emacs contributions. Are you okay with including sv-kalender.el in Emacs itself? Could you please also confirm that you have written that file yourself? The current plan would be to include sv-kalender.el as a "core" package in the main Emacs repository. This means that it will be maintained in emacs.git, but we will have the option to release new versions of the package on GNU ELPA. Thanks in advance. [Please use "Reply to all" to make sure any followups land in the bug tracker.] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 17:51:25 2022 Received: (at 52951) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2022 22:51:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33887 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n49hE-0008T2-Mg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 17:51:25 -0500 Received: from bin-mail-out-05.binero.net ([195.74.38.228]:26988) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n46LT-0000Rc-MI for 52951@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:16:44 -0500 X-Halon-ID: 806a337c-6c00-11ec-b140-0050569116f7 Authorized-sender: daniel@bigwalter.net Received: from fortis.bigwalter.net (unknown [193.234.41.60]) by bin-vsp-out-03.atm.binero.net (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 806a337c-6c00-11ec-b140-0050569116f7; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 20:16:35 +0100 (CET) From: Daniel Jensen To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#52951: Including Swedish calendar localization (sv-kalender.el) in Emacs References: Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2022 20:16:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 2 Jan 2022 09:41:03 -0500") Message-ID: <87ee5q6j8s.fsf@bigwalter.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52951 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Jan 2022 17:51:23 -0500 Cc: 52951@debbugs.gnu.org, Arthur Miller X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 2022-01-02 at 09:41, Stefan Kangas wrote: > Severity: wishlist > > We have talked about adding the library sv-kalender.el to Emacs itself: > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-07/msg00030.html > > I am opening this bug to track this work. The main question that > remains is whether or not we have the necessary copyright assignments. > > Daniel, if I understand correctly, you have already assigned copyright > to the FSF for Emacs contributions. Are you okay with including > sv-kalender.el in Emacs itself? Could you please also confirm that you > have written that file yourself? I have assigned copyright to the FSF, yes. I wrote sv-kalender.el. Some of it was adapted from holiday code in Emacs at the time, but it was a long time ago and I don't recall any specifics -- it is not a copyright problem anyway. I don't mind at all having it included in Emacs. > The current plan would be to include sv-kalender.el as a "core" package > in the main Emacs repository. This means that it will be maintained in > emacs.git, but we will have the option to release new versions of the > package on GNU ELPA. I'm glad you want to include it in Emacs. I'm sure some improvement is needed to have it match Emacs standards. Unfortunately I don't have the time to work on this project right now, but I wish you luck. Thank you! 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I wrote sv-kalender.el. Some > of it was adapted from holiday code in Emacs at the time, but it was a > long time ago and I don't recall any specifics -- it is not a copyright > problem anyway. I don't mind at all having it included in Emacs. Thanks for confirming this. I have used this library for a very long time, so I'm happy to see it getting mainlined. > I'm glad you want to include it in Emacs. I'm sure some improvement is > needed to have it match Emacs standards. Unfortunately I don't have the > time to work on this project right now, but I wish you luck. Thank you! I will mark myself as the maintainer if no one else is interested. The documentation will need to be translated to English (to the extent possible), but maybe there are other things to clean up as well. I will base this on the latest version at this URL: http://bigwalter.net/daniel/elisp/sv-kalender.el It seems to incorporate some fixes from Arthur Miller. 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Content preview: > http://bigwalter.net/daniel/elisp/sv-kalender.el Thank you! > (setq calendar-time-display-form > '(24-hours ":" minutes)) Content analysis details: (1.4 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.4 KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS Relay HELO differs from its IP's reverse DNS X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52951 Cc: Daniel Jensen , 52951@debbugs.gnu.org, Arthur Miller X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) > http://bigwalter.net/daniel/elisp/sv-kalender.el Thank you! > (setq calendar-time-display-form > '(24-hours ":" minutes)) Standard Swedish style uses a dot as separator; the colon appears to = have crept in as a fairly recent Anglicism (and I think it looks a bit = tacky). The file should also use lexical-binding: t. > (eval-after-load "solar" We should probably use `with-eval-after-load`. > (eval calendar-location-name) Would `symbol-value` do instead of `eval` here? > '((if (fboundp 'atan) I think we can assume the presence of `atan`. > (funcall 'holiday-sexp calendar-daylight-savings-starts > (funcall 'holiday-sexp calendar-daylight-savings-ends Why the explicit `funcall`s? Is this a holiday code subtlety? By the way, is there a way to do without the defadvice? They tend to be = brittle. 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According to the authoritative Swedish writing guide Svenska skrivregler: "11.6.3 Klockslag och tidsrymder Klockslag och tidsrymder som uttrycks i siffror skrivs enligt 24-timmarsklockan. Som skiljetecken mellan timsiffror, minutsiffror och sekundsiffror kan punkt eller kolon anv=C3=A4ndas. Punkt =C3=A4r de= n traditionella svenska konventionen, medan kolon =C3=A4r internationell standard." Svenska skrivregler, Spr=C3=A5kr=C3=A5det, Liber 2008, s. 162. So using either is accepted, and it is only a matter of preference if you use the traditional or the international style. IMHO, at least for our purposes in Emacs, it is better to use the international standard in this case.