From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:55:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52948: 28.0.90; NS variant and X11 client are not separated on macOS Monterey, Version 12.1 Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2022 11:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 52948 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 52948@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.164112244020500 (code B ref -1); Sun, 02 Jan 2022 11:21:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2022 11:20:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59986 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n3yul-0005KZ-Jj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 06:20:39 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:42790) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n3yug-0005KM-MH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 06:20:38 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39922) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3yug-0005yt-F2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 06:20:34 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:58429) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3yue-000645-EV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 06:20:34 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1641122429; bh=qjtTLYSEXKz94DBkZ9EMYwKqKckmjSZs5TGdwHmsnFs=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:Subject:Date:To; b=BZP9RN7a9Zlfc1oGHwhHJEr3fTYof9c7iZ5X8ZyS5I499XRpB5f9/46PoVvAahbwO nxm20FSNncKroUbNZVhbLloIDgL7PXssXmJzqYQPRLpQ0NUQVWvBrD2GNqYTGmPR4J sKF6AzrShu6MYAmP5XfsM1S4XtML0BY6VEavHnxA= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from smtpclient.apple ([176.199.137.124]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb005 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M7Nii-1n2tVZ1PBM-0080qj for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 12:20:29 +0100 From: Peter Dyballa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 12:20:28 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ZSfrSRsPc+Ax+Nll8nCWKv0OfbWRKG0/MZGGOh1HqNRNNNTLU4Z EXZWnME5KolKnzOOaDwnDWtnR66yaT4u+BjZpvBUCW7vV5dDymYyvry8nMFYIWuKRc3TYVd e6EO6l9WHqjng+XkgHs47kIkbpNNTubTzDDa/WxFU7H/J3hMxtMdbpT3fiibMYJuVOmUIiy Lhh9JxFCdbt7LEisbZ+BA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:8CRvDgqipVk=:vxFdBI/DWRJNLfXjJpaHPM 6vvD1xdHatxQN54kiMF4irQ11WJyqFOUCCzk2FaN+HOPlM5RqN18TQC/8f6Srvap+ezb/YgDH Ba7+gY7Iv/v159uXr9mtA/dRGaUAEZ1BJ6Hk9yl42krBTlBQa1nhtPQsee/ZmRpsvAGu4JF3X COuTfSD6f4TEGxaiRn4EYSxe1THS3zEQ7YA8zjN5wvgGBQiO0hfz4F3Fr5anpqUwcCS7uQ/Y7 yTFHWHrKD61BVjZek3uEqQc2atKcm5pz1Idxe5pfTG4QgHLRhK5iZ6x+4+sD8cqfinmpxPXV2 eonyjjjCNHm1R9miYX3LHR0Ca9U+1pYIZ2SxOj+ePhhe1qjiCsDlg13COG7SK8yrToYkaouHf 7ryABCFb6nK8NLdlevfgZr/Fai2420cUxT2bDsNUvHxgo1CT4LnmXjYu2lJrWYKl9JI6wIOyQ IPRVdUhqtVLFgGPmJzXOF1v4ePeMQPEqscwFzMpIyivvj94RpvFouFSGsZJg10Jc3JHXPbZkG sN9shVqbuFInuu0Gn0PUMCy5oNact1Z8DG73kLhsMkVd2q8otdFGJE4XxwRCtqpG8Nr/N3hw1 KdLPjDsRWFDuvLdXdDKHDECZTBfmM3MFu0QHdaW7qe2nVXmrD7ING3fPhbgOYz/rZt6ifXTjv THCTnm9xs/H/QihTecsOZ97zlEfm5MXSovy9YDy1Qi8NUcBUNg0Qe429n+NPFxBCE+/5CrgrN 2DoBJit63tCbovN381/o4IuacLklPdY8gvve3J0kuFW/fRBMi6Kxc8pizt4bL8yGzW2TQjEhd Xe4OJ4If7UHU+er0/kFlGNsqK48JHSUdIJzHXLPLh/Ng17rAYPxowVSM4MQR3N2NRCqtN399Z JgAxMQSjldSEIZQC3NxEdJSSNGVh2fY82oqxQyaVWuo7LViNflPiTAWkKSX7c/yyjzC/C7h7j ZX6vHUeoHZjHr+usvXiGNBG/DH2DAeAjTa8yT4XUAbAB5VXAxOFj0py6cfphc5D0NCfge74YN Z3Fqf9PaEmGGhpnc7odrVUr5BvAV2K0KtrpQhYZ9RYp57xb+lfXlEVS65MrhAK/jIc8NmTE6B IW/RddT1v2mWfw= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.4; envelope-from=Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE; helo=mout.web.de X-Spam_score_int: -8 X-Spam_score: -0.9 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.9 / 5.0 requ) DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Hello! First I configured the NS variant =C3=A0 la (just a remake with the = original invocation): In GNU Emacs 28.0.90 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin21.2.0, NS = appkit-2113.20 Version 12.1 (Build 21C52)) of 2022-01-02 built on Kleines.local Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2113 System Description: macOS 12.1 =09 Configured using: 'configure --without-libsystemd --without-pop --without-sound --without-gpm --without-dbus --without-selinux = --without-imagemagick --with-ns --without-x --with-dumping=3Dpdumper --disable-ns-self-contained '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar28:/Library/Application Support/Emacs' --with-file-notification=3Dyes CPPFLAGS=3D-I/opt/local/include = 'CFLAGS=3D-g -H -pipe -fPIC -fno-common -Os -arch x86_64 = -fomit-frame-pointer -std=3Dc11' 'LDFLAGS=3D-v -arch x86_64 -Wl,-bind_at_load -Wl,-t = -L /opt/local/lib' = PKG_CONFIG_PATH=3D/opt/local/libexec/openssl3/lib/pkgconfig:/opt/local/lib= /pkgconfig:/opt/local/share/pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pkgconfig:/opt/X11/lib/pkgc= onfig CC=3Dclang CXX=3Dclang++ MAKEINFO=3D/opt/local/bin/makeinfo' It built and I installed Emacs.app as = /Applications/AquaEmacs-28.0.90.app (to separate it from the Mac = variant, available only for GNU Emacs 27.x). Then I configured the X11 = client =C3=A0 la: In GNU Emacs 28.0.90 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin21.2.0, X = toolkit, cairo version 1.17.4, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2022-01-02 built on Kleines.local Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version = 11.0.12011000 System Description: macOS 12.1 =09 Configured using: 'configure --without-libsystemd --without-pop --without-sound --without-gpm --without-dbus --without-selinux = --without-imagemagick --without-ns --with-x --with-dumping=3Dnone = --disable-ns-self-contained --with-x-toolkit=3Dathena --x-libraries=3D/opt/local/lib --x-includes=3D/opt/local/include '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar28:/Library/Application Support/Emacs' --with-file-notification=3Dyes CPPFLAGS=3D-I/opt/local/include = 'CFLAGS=3D-g -H -pipe -fPIC -fno-common -Os -arch x86_64 = -fomit-frame-pointer -std=3Dc11' 'LDFLAGS=3D-v -arch x86_64 -Wl,-bind_at_load -Wl,-t = -L /opt/local/lib' = PKG_CONFIG_PATH=3D/opt/local/libexec/openssl3/lib/pkgconfig:/opt/local/lib= /pkgconfig:/opt/local/share/pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pkgconfig:/opt/X11/lib/pkgc= onfig CC=3Dclang CXX=3Dclang++ MAKEINFO=3D/opt/local/bin/makeinfo' It built and was just installed. When I now invoke = '/Applications/AquaEmacs-28.0.90.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -Q' it = complains: desired fingerprint: = 4d354353b8f40c4a104e7d527485c1326771b2eb129780879008256a10c405cf found fingerprint: = 5e8639f383b8b6dbf3a84b080fad2ff84d81c23682262d61fc16d63a7177256c emacs: could not load dump file = "/usr/local/libexec/emacs/28.0.90/x86_64-apple-darwin21.2.0/emacs.pdmp": = not built for this Emacs executable Some time stamps: Pete 240 /\ ls -ltr = /Applications/AquaEmacs-28.0.90.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs = /usr/local/libexec/emacs/28.0.90/x86_64-apple-darwin21.2.0/emacs.pdmp = /usr/local/bin/emacs-28.0.90 -rwxr-xr-x 1 pete admin 7011296 2021-12-20 17:48 = /Applications/AquaEmacs-28.0.90.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -rw-r--r-- 1 root _unknown 15866232 2021-12-27 18:11 = /usr/local/libexec/emacs/28.0.90/x86_64-apple-darwin21.2.0/emacs.pdmp -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 6596656 2021-12-27 19:00 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-28.0.90 The X client works OK. The file = /usr/local/libexec/emacs/28.0.90/x86_64-apple-darwin21.2.0/emacs.pdmp = obviously was built while building the X client, although neither = 'gmake' nor 'gmake install' show any occurrence of the string "pdmp" in = their logs. The file emacs.pdmp should be saved inside the application = bundle when it gets changed by a new build. -- Greetings Pete "If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.=E2=80=9C =E2=80=93 A t-shirt designed by Jack = Frager From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:55:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52948: 28.0.90; NS variant and X11 client are not separated on macOS Monterey, Version 12.1 Resent-From: Alan Third Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2022 13:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52948 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Peter Dyballa Cc: 52948@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52948-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52948.164113094512076 (code B ref 52948); Sun, 02 Jan 2022 13:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 52948) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2022 13:42:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60054 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n417x-00038i-HT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 08:42:25 -0500 Received: from outbound.soverin.net ([116.202.126.228]:53167) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n417w-00038P-Cw for 52948@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 08:42:25 -0500 Received: from smtp.soverin.net (unknown [10.10.3.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by outbound.soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BABC274; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 13:42:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.soverin.net (smtp.soverin.net [159.69.232.138]) by soverin.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=idiocy.org; s=soverin; t=1641130937; bh=kSxWXgMYMUIwY+clvgfMy2vs/jeKxR9ABFP7rcDwHPw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=CT2JQceIf2ZrLpb1uCshAtF+/l65rAdEIOHrYpPPqN/WNbxinNGG3sj/XwnmfoOiW oux2odw7KeBxV9BAYK93kpDvWnJ/DaR34qhmuREM8GPAnAB4wSVYLYjDR8/TMfnqAw WfXTzuRL1+RvuTdA6SaKQ0Cyj8Bhyy1OlNVyXcZkxYi3YK2IhG7mw/JdQluzSB3OyE 5YXTYqThxieXgZ0emFqYhv92x6zfYh1KJHuu6StXePd1lcoFrtTBmGove2bsUerw9u ZZ5gwqCJBfi1INtNKy9VUifR2eyJDin1pcjGjt7luuL9lVxrrT3dR9BJZ2z+93OulE PXuF34ReQpa0A== Received: from alan by faroe.holly.idiocy.org with local (Exim 4.95-RC2) (envelope-from ) id 1n417n-002CCc-0O; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 13:42:15 +0000 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 13:42:14 +0000 From: Alan Third Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Alan Third , Peter Dyballa , 52948@debbugs.gnu.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Sun, Jan 02, 2022 at 12:20:28PM +0100, Peter Dyballa wrote: > --disable-ns-self-contained > It built and was just installed. When I now invoke '/Applications/AquaEmacs-28.0.90.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -Q' it complains: > > desired fingerprint: 4d354353b8f40c4a104e7d527485c1326771b2eb129780879008256a10c405cf > found fingerprint: 5e8639f383b8b6dbf3a84b080fad2ff84d81c23682262d61fc16d63a7177256c > emacs: could not load dump file "/usr/local/libexec/emacs/28.0.90/x86_64-apple-darwin21.2.0/emacs.pdmp": not built for this Emacs executable You disabled the self-contained install for NS, so it's not installed in the app bundle. 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When I now invoke = '/Applications/AquaEmacs-28.0.90.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -Q' it = complains: >>=20 >> desired fingerprint: = 4d354353b8f40c4a104e7d527485c1326771b2eb129780879008256a10c405cf >> found fingerprint: = 5e8639f383b8b6dbf3a84b080fad2ff84d81c23682262d61fc16d63a7177256c >> emacs: could not load dump file = "/usr/local/libexec/emacs/28.0.90/x86_64-apple-darwin21.2.0/emacs.pdmp": = not built for this Emacs executable >=20 > You disabled the self-contained install for NS, so it's not installed > in the app bundle. I think the basic bundle is still built to allow > you to use it to run the installed Emacs from the GUI, but all the > files will be installed under /usr/local or wherever. >=20 It's that what I want: just one single pile of 100 MB of files. Actually my first description is wrong. In the meantime I tried to reproduce the effect =E2=80=93 and failed. = The bug is that I have to invoke 'make install' to produce a working = Emacs.app in the nextstep sub-directory. This in turn installs = /usr/local/libexec/emacs/28.0.90/x86_64-apple-darwin21.2.0/emacs.pdmp: During "make": ------------------ rm -f bootstrap-emacs.pdmp Dumping under the name bootstrap-emacs.pdmp Dumping under the name emacs.pdmp Adding name emacs-28.0.90.1.pdmp cp -f emacs.pdmp bootstrap-emacs.pdmp=20 cp -f ../src/emacs.pdmp = /Users/pete/Quellen/Emacs_CVS/emacs-28.0.90/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Ma= cOS/libexec/Emacs.pdmp During "make install": -------------------------- /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 src/emacs.pdmp = "/usr/local/libexec/emacs/28.0.90/x86_64-apple-darwin21.2.0"/emacs.pdmp Is the latter actually necessary? Renaming = /usr/local/libexec/emacs/28.0.90/x86_64-apple-darwin21.2.0/emacs.pdmp = lead to Emacs loading a lot of ELisp files. The other copied dump file, = Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/libexec/Emacs.pdmp, is not used although it = exists in /Applications, where I "installed" Emacs.app. -- Greetings Pete One of the main causes of dust is janitors. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:55:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52948: 28.0.90; NS variant and X11 client are not separated on macOS Monterey, Version 12.1 Resent-From: Alan Third Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52948 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Peter Dyballa Cc: 52948@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52948-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52948.164113307915887 (code B ref 52948); Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:18:02 +0000 Received: (at 52948) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2022 14:17:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60067 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n41gM-00048A-UI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 09:17:59 -0500 Received: from outbound.soverin.net ([116.202.126.228]:53177) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n41gJ-00047t-ME for 52948@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 09:17:56 -0500 Received: from smtp.soverin.net (unknown [10.10.3.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by outbound.soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34BEF85C; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.soverin.net (smtp.soverin.net [159.69.232.138]) by soverin.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=idiocy.org; s=soverin; t=1641133068; bh=xeerH7Ak5b6TT9OzOBihrNAbvvewQDGkwzcbpmaf9FM=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=JDM3UCBlep9+SG3k4/v1qMZZdkoWhKXEhMAO3kMP4vO0epqGnj/3tNO8LCjoTGtbH kJbRkeabji3uxC1iSpFviXy8GNr39shmA2XOHACjRd609c+GV1PKYyDez2HyZvh5Ps K+PnfqIbJdX59eECT6h+Iwmw44xOeVtfW4eC9zBE9YfB3jHMSUOMAQ853ogUcxuLty T0TJoix4WH4hqqaofMC2RvyXGECGSQ7xqJLob9KiD65cKr3wW5y0Przaiynwo3/NMC 1aQa2RjgxOCqbf43P1NeslkWnnpF3fjChQEEAzW7e+TMzHKHElv2uiW/OwCmkMajzv G7A70ETw1lkaA== Received: by breton.holly.idiocy.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7E0E2202DCF86B; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:17:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:17:45 +0000 From: Alan Third Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Alan Third , Peter Dyballa , 52948@debbugs.gnu.org References: <3213B217-ABA7-4EFF-82C5-0C28F5939DF6@Web.DE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <3213B217-ABA7-4EFF-82C5-0C28F5939DF6@Web.DE> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Sun, Jan 02, 2022 at 03:03:54PM +0100, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > > > Am 2.1.2022 um 14:42 schrieb Alan Third : > > > > On Sun, Jan 02, 2022 at 12:20:28PM +0100, Peter Dyballa wrote: > >> --disable-ns-self-contained > > > >> It built and was just installed. When I now invoke '/Applications/AquaEmacs-28.0.90.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -Q' it complains: > >> > >> desired fingerprint: 4d354353b8f40c4a104e7d527485c1326771b2eb129780879008256a10c405cf > >> found fingerprint: 5e8639f383b8b6dbf3a84b080fad2ff84d81c23682262d61fc16d63a7177256c > >> emacs: could not load dump file "/usr/local/libexec/emacs/28.0.90/x86_64-apple-darwin21.2.0/emacs.pdmp": not built for this Emacs executable > > > > You disabled the self-contained install for NS, so it's not installed > > in the app bundle. I think the basic bundle is still built to allow > > you to use it to run the installed Emacs from the GUI, but all the > > files will be installed under /usr/local or wherever. > > > It's that what I want: just one single pile of 100 MB of files. > > Actually my first description is wrong. > > In the meantime I tried to reproduce the effect – and failed. The bug is that I have to invoke 'make install' to produce a working Emacs.app in the nextstep sub-directory. This in turn installs /usr/local/libexec/emacs/28.0.90/x86_64-apple-darwin21.2.0/emacs.pdmp: > > During "make": > ------------------ > rm -f bootstrap-emacs.pdmp > Dumping under the name bootstrap-emacs.pdmp > Dumping under the name emacs.pdmp > Adding name emacs-28.0.90.1.pdmp > cp -f emacs.pdmp bootstrap-emacs.pdmp > cp -f ../src/emacs.pdmp /Users/pete/Quellen/Emacs_CVS/emacs-28.0.90/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/libexec/Emacs.pdmp > > During "make install": > -------------------------- > /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 src/emacs.pdmp "/usr/local/libexec/emacs/28.0.90/x86_64-apple-darwin21.2.0"/emacs.pdmp > > Is the latter actually necessary? Yes. You have a UNIX style installed emacs that happens to use the NS term. The app bundle is only provided as a helper for running it from the GUI. > Renaming > /usr/local/libexec/emacs/28.0.90/x86_64-apple-darwin21.2.0/emacs.pdmp > lead to Emacs loading a lot of ELisp files. The other copied dump > file, Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/libexec/Emacs.pdmp, is not used > although it exists in /Applications, where I "installed" Emacs.app. How do you propose we find the .pdmp file in the app bundle, which can be put *anywhere*, when you run 'emacs' from the command line? If you want to use the app bundle and expect Emacs to load files from within the bundle, don't use a UNIX style install. If you must have two different UNIX style installs of Emacs then you'll have to use different prefixes or something. Someone who knows more about the way emacs installs may have a better idea, but this isn't a bug. -- Alan Third From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:55:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52948: 28.0.90; NS variant and X11 client are not separated on macOS Monterey, Version 12.1 Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52948 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Alan Third Cc: 52948@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52948-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52948.164113338616498 (code B ref 52948); Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:24:02 +0000 Received: (at 52948) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2022 14:23:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60081 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n41lK-0004I2-Lu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 09:23:06 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:40399) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n41lI-0004HJ-66 for 52948@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 09:23:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1641133377; bh=qPilwzfgoHZEV8dgPUua8X5bCOayBLmR8NidmpvQVX0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=TFXUeKq4N8zglPLr8qJshEKsKoTrqes+LRuXvw4JuIQaA0ynlG5A6/mee6oL944DD Ygfo5Gik3ZIdeG+tIM1uU6Wj6dQFzXI4lcohE/84ysyzITMzIXjWPH8aC0dleZrh0H J5CQVE/LRuBkS5u+eQU8zFXlRlWVGHxLvPcvqTqc= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from smtpclient.apple ([176.199.137.124]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb005 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MPaII-1midGN0pQw-00MwAx; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 15:22:57 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 15:22:56 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1DC228C8-F222-4FD6-8715-D32934C0A422@Web.DE> References: <3213B217-ABA7-4EFF-82C5-0C28F5939DF6@Web.DE> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Irqbkc88Ex0oTizGEuTwMDFdvL/8phpqVlLkKmJ/pNNdsJaUwXd OrgJYKo9D5NkXnwOWm8jkgWiQLlKvY5iPIlqK4Lv/6DfD5uSiGz1y3/oxb1ynYy1nfz3CKO 29ePJQvpWdAKAVJ9fq+G8wb2OkgxCknxxfNaNpM2U4M/8vPwcjgqVFKnb7iZYhCQDGuYG7u GMlGsd7O+hgD6jqnOSNOw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Xn71Cm6jK1k=:eYBUVGVLIVfs9Cb1AkpwEb XcLV/3+9jMz1lBoWAr+FBYzd1HS2H6ZBfy5n/95eShTegFct4UEKuVPqcUn8phg3VVQpL/7Qf QbkVw8dk65M0rh8icTVkpEyvjMuVbfLHpYVh5UdlaalzbWF4jWUX+3ueTlU6SBsaR7LltWuR2 cdHFu2wHDMsORJgaUfXOGrMPc7fxe2lS6BJcQpdL6MwZc9Wn40vU8G5vRuK165VCe1ZmTroVp BIHqCnOoP3IXMe83fVxspTfBlNTyXBJHPX9gTVIHkd6rhJ8icj64U3sb11B0ogaw7L+R0Ear+ 9WR7hlKGDZ2EL4m1SksPE05QKXnpPdGKRfIQcqN1Z4wp7qXLwewblxzBRAhVyEtgG5shWSB8l 0MWf+uXvnN6YL/Gf64807dlyRysvxCOx1QbBvijxZG1QBRuugqwtvUeB8Z43Mb4fNeX6zWbWL U0I/UeMCohoOjc+iET3JQhC3jovEg08e3H3Y3W7WJE+x4ghfwRuowHylu3gP7PasFFhqBgmjZ 1rccFyFCZRap2LIkY7yn+Bscl7BhHsUH4Hro2DmDHrDWyWqv68ibJ8vYYkPuC/qnXuAFOEVL/ 4n6L5pleek4lRDICx1MnVMIAAhFv8QO1vT8IbRaiQ1iVUDc86ahlGjpQ4q6zTmSfBvYiYJBxp q6HpVjdeqRS8wvRvp2a19ckP6xVb09AtD3pEdwHNpbQoBKnWEHM1asJ/4E+rF8uObK9yctKMJ AW55QAHelGC1ivOLo1u6TDl3tt+ETwPRcwecaw3dJjPGDoxrMqiZX6DjzM2QYMgI71qOuG1GH wMK+BOV1SBPHQT9fCUvqJanPeW0pLlIcd2AV7wRz80MH4LHcl3DnM/bowQ4uB2w94kvwcLOfy tWexdHE849q+ZvmQAwM3zHOctPSo1LIC0nAFfvroTNUfiru/eziYtYl9dxAX2TJIxUtbCWTUS k5xrCjNewt5Enj2QqMbB9j+CPdhMY34MeUNjNeS9v/0mooJ6466l8sP56D7TyiSuHSfdhFgJH pQWK+nrauAqOfma8LuFMKTlhQbIgxy3dHaNi6XuP4peUktalAcQNFkii0INmGhCF1OG19xn5P qcZrVhtIBEGz3U= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Am 2.1.2022 um 15:17 schrieb Alan Third : >=20 > How do you propose we find the .pdmp file in the app bundle, which can > be put *anywhere*, when you run 'emacs' from the command line? It's always relative to Emacs (which is why make copies it there during = build) ./libexec/Emacs.pdmp: -rwxr-xr-x 1 pete 7011232 2 Jan 14:29 = /Applications/AquaEmacs-28.0.90.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -rw-r--r-- 1 pete 15866216 2 Jan 14:29 = /Applications/AquaEmacs-28.0.90.app/Contents/MacOS/libexec/Emacs.pdmp -- Greetings Pete Mushrooms always grow in damp places, which is why they look like = umbrellas. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:55:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52948: 28.0.90; NS variant and X11 client are not separated on macOS Monterey, Version 12.1 Resent-From: Alan Third Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52948 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Peter Dyballa Cc: 52948@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52948-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52948.164113452218456 (code B ref 52948); Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 52948) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2022 14:42:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60101 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n423d-0004nT-TP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 09:42:02 -0500 Received: from outbound.soverin.net ([116.202.126.228]:41411) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n423c-0004n4-3D for 52948@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 09:42:00 -0500 Received: from smtp.soverin.net (unknown [10.10.3.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by outbound.soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44A4585C; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.soverin.net (smtp.soverin.net [159.69.232.138]) by soverin.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=idiocy.org; s=soverin; t=1641134512; bh=ZJ8r30pP88Rqp6LLqiNb07QzItJm16x9xkSiZapmvtQ=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=SQJ8UbdXkIGIpK6V4VpDk/iyOrz64M5YaKrtW9GGWB1RZxda9mwKckkQtE9dbaws5 iM/5RNoe6vkdHXD9MbpNfB0rV9xQUhTDZu+xJMYmOclEh89kHAwf7qUTni1xufFTfn 52HqETQhCEM/n9RGn60Gv5G1MKix5buDVJEjkzPgYgSg5lFVoJ+28HFiuHqRM2nwK9 PEzY2iIBe1C6O3F/K3LYXjueoqPTpcZWlZfGKKBT9jRzRuAWnuO0KrsigAFUqbN1tk Ue3nEX/hRzRBmtc0vorvc3VfkW1zBc2ecIGe5yDH9Q5uwDdLghmaliYAwUCcQOIC3n wbCvtdhfpSvXA== Received: from alan by faroe.holly.idiocy.org with local (Exim 4.95-RC2) (envelope-from ) id 1n423S-002JCU-VL; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:41:50 +0000 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:41:50 +0000 From: Alan Third Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Alan Third , Peter Dyballa , 52948@debbugs.gnu.org References: <3213B217-ABA7-4EFF-82C5-0C28F5939DF6@Web.DE> <1DC228C8-F222-4FD6-8715-D32934C0A422@Web.DE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1DC228C8-F222-4FD6-8715-D32934C0A422@Web.DE> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Sun, Jan 02, 2022 at 03:22:56PM +0100, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > > > Am 2.1.2022 um 15:17 schrieb Alan Third : > > > > How do you propose we find the .pdmp file in the app bundle, which can > > be put *anywhere*, when you run 'emacs' from the command line? > > It's always relative to Emacs (which is why make copies it there during build) ./libexec/Emacs.pdmp: > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 pete 7011232 2 Jan 14:29 /Applications/AquaEmacs-28.0.90.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs > -rw-r--r-- 1 pete 15866216 2 Jan 14:29 /Applications/AquaEmacs-28.0.90.app/Contents/MacOS/libexec/Emacs.pdmp But the emacs executable is installed in /usr/local/bin or wherever. The app bundle is there purely as a helper for running from the GUI. I've said this three times now. If you want two, incompatible, UNIX style installs, you have to give them different prefixes. You wouldn't expect to be able to install both the PGTK and motif ports in the same place on a GNU/Linux system. -- Alan Third From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:55:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52948: 28.0.90; NS variant and X11 client are not separated on macOS Monterey, Version 12.1 Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2022 15:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52948 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Alan Third Cc: 52948@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52948-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52948.164113651623553 (code B ref 52948); Sun, 02 Jan 2022 15:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 52948) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2022 15:15:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33438 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n42Zn-00067o-IK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 10:15:16 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:41407) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n42Zl-00067U-9H for 52948@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 10:15:14 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1641136499; bh=xI7tvBy5uNiaVtDOsHRdTPzbPiTVQYe183HdwxPZBgs=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=FQYk7qy1N1OteLq4n2FnrMOlfuZFb2mCUyFGtIECd5+49hyOe1dlGYLaDgHOGTflp vBjvqqUNqMwqwI9TL0QfL0jy7R+nRKHwoUUAj8cgc/YIgYiVJK2W0+mJVMuo3nP/r5 0qwSuf0JPkPL0ftKmWx8RjUrBGogTlfSSVuaElsQ= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from smtpclient.apple ([176.199.137.124]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb005 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MpTxo-1mcTB11w3Y-00q75o; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 16:14:59 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 16:14:58 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3E21B645-C134-4176-9D62-636256FE2237@Web.DE> References: <3213B217-ABA7-4EFF-82C5-0C28F5939DF6@Web.DE> <1DC228C8-F222-4FD6-8715-D32934C0A422@Web.DE> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:9KUdE4ApjQJymv9v4ECQc5UOYX1aVf+EQX4Urlz6RBQ9Io+oFlI FH8O/79CPfKDLMrHD2xaw3DN3FfcK4ERFcYYAr07HuRD2Zvf1dk2WmSIhab5tycqV3Dtoz4 xxOok48X2pqwvFp9PtKDg4k/epNHwd8BqvpiLgAjvVHs9j8NL29SeMO/S8yLjY5nGCpdh89 q2cR7ij8BAg4bu2ROLjtg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:E0tmfoIgBKQ=:/xqK9e7BNTDtPZuKXPrCEB LHwvuyjBQbI69MNcXR/0JQEiUwRZqpdMlFhnbb4mjipL6qa8Rg3k/JCmjD6017SFwQJWHi1UK fAPBSCyaUcrv5iUqhhD06kc9Vs5dB5mP8ZTpWMtzPKkQPn6gqLuDMrXviulPZMOAdmc+UH2n8 lompNI5Vrmopzn21HE9UUKSWqxC3DpzYxXUu2QBzl6eJ1IUWWCrXUDreQaLBiFKhp2hroQCFE of6p2W11lRsh/hHmpANY0i5971hOq7+xvPFML6FE/OwUd/gCC43bfnYoTzWTWz6/TahSacnTT ygJyD4LqvsdGmT0PSuf3MJ8S1UvC8NqFVhDRi/x+iMCfpbIwHqJDrs4iBbtMRny2UNlW/+CIP elLIxkelLlBq+7g/SDJc8qvD8gH2HOzfsHu2l6PKKBKL6DIwr20XIm3hV+qbd8dL7Xp1axMPy aWXhJeFzygllqklWLYIwB147qiUlVFJK3af8mjES7uinY2SXsL1oFZcjTLZPoT9ZIGl5GSVtz rff/+bWIZ0/WWajHnz75k9aM60nT40kui/BIYtUKx7395olGvBXVb7kIpqTWfjR6pzcFY87hQ h05SCZv+0CUSrSqX0Du+GAZ/jLZE15ciVWFtTXvB5NDrBStcFnVdL+s/0ITUbJJ0uyz5GiT6T 9AsEz3+o/YobhVRIlLnHfSXiUzkWISyc+UDZyJWgmG0M4j59jY81KEs6l8nOhhP0IxdR4Pr7m Orc/z44SHJjYUfXfOtswNXGSI9KLg6gGwKQID1z4w5ShrG56ILLoiABakhph5ge6l3x88XsfS 8kwrql+F13CRvXmHTtAw71Ox/k9Es3AWo32B61VCAX2oJKV5vu/PrqXuUohBYUabBnWC+ZTC/ 6UzmjuxQir5GBJOjGOLefjEIdCoa0ouSegiAygdxj8WBRlc+BYNeuZ6YjN6DekAI0n1283JV6 4te2ez0k8wqUtNd1b0J8EnZNShtCYnbBENIww2JqtE8Uv/nuhI1d05w5aGJk8AsOWaEUKqNDd eDNAtakrOXn09k3KPWR2z5AO0e4X65ZPdp1ZGmy0XfYL1Oy4JfG1wFZ0CD8mR/02cOc4x0F4c apQqFhi7JSVbrg= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Am 2.1.2022 um 15:41 schrieb Alan Third : >=20 > But the emacs executable is installed in /usr/local/bin or wherever. And never used by the NS (or Mac) variant. It's just there. > The app bundle is there purely as a helper for running from the GUI. Make does: cp -f ../src/emacs = /Users/pete/Quellen/Emacs_CVS/emacs-28.0.90/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Ma= cOS/Emacs=20 So actually a copy of /usr/local/bin/emacs exists inside the application = bundle and is loaded, and certainly used to execute emacs. Lsof does not = show that it opens from the /usr/local tree more than the PDMP file. And = if it would run /usr/local/bin/emacs then it would launch an X client: Pete 249 /\ otool -L /usr/local/bin/emacs-28.0.90 /usr/local/bin/emacs-28.0.90: /opt/local/lib/libtiff.5.dylib (compatibility version 13.0.0, = current version 13.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libjpeg.8.dylib (compatibility version 8.0.0, = current version 8.2.2) /opt/local/lib/libpng16.16.dylib (compatibility version 54.0.0, = current version 54.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libgif.4.dylib (compatibility version 6.0.0, = current version 6.7.0) /opt/local/lib/libXpm.4.dylib (compatibility version 16.0.0, = current version 16.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libXaw3d.8.dylib (compatibility version 9.0.0, = current version 9.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libXmu.6.dylib (compatibility version 9.0.0, = current version 9.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libXt.6.dylib (compatibility version 7.0.0, = current version 7.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libSM.6.dylib (compatibility version 7.0.0, = current version 7.1.0) /opt/local/lib/libICE.6.dylib (compatibility version 10.0.0, = current version 10.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libXext.6.dylib (compatibility version 11.0.0, = current version 11.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libX11.6.dylib (compatibility version 11.0.0, = current version 11.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libX11-xcb.1.dylib (compatibility version 2.0.0, = current version 2.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libxcb.1.dylib (compatibility version 3.0.0, = current version 3.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libXrender.1.dylib (compatibility version 5.0.0, = current version 5.0.0) /opt/local/lib/librsvg-2.2.dylib (compatibility version 51.0.0, = current version 51.0.0) /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current = version 1311.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libgio-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version = 6201.0.0, current version 6201.6.0) /opt/local/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version = 4201.0.0, current version 4201.2.0) /opt/local/lib/libgobject-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version = 6201.0.0, current version 6201.6.0) /opt/local/lib/libglib-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version = 6201.0.0, current version 6201.6.0) /opt/local/lib/libintl.8.dylib (compatibility version 11.0.0, = current version 11.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libcairo.2.dylib (compatibility version = 11707.0.0, current version 11707.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libXrandr.2.dylib (compatibility version 5.0.0, = current version 5.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libXinerama.1.dylib (compatibility version 2.0.0, = current version 2.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libXfixes.3.dylib (compatibility version 5.0.0, = current version 5.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libxml2.2.dylib (compatibility version 12.0.0, = current version 12.12.0) /opt/local/lib/libncurses.6.dylib (compatibility version 6.0.0, = current version 6.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib (compatibility version = 25.0.0, current version 25.1.0) /opt/local/lib/libfontconfig.1.dylib (compatibility version = 14.0.0, current version 14.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libharfbuzz.0.dylib (compatibility version = 20901.0.0, current version 20901.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libotf.1.dylib (compatibility version 2.0.0, = current version 2.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libgnutls.30.dylib (compatibility version 59.0.0, = current version 59.2.0) /opt/local/lib/liblcms2.2.dylib (compatibility version 3.0.0, = current version 3.12.0) /opt/local/lib/libz.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, = current version 1.2.11) /opt/local/lib/libjansson.4.dylib (compatibility version 18.0.0, = current version 18.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libgmp.10.dylib (compatibility version 15.0.0, = current version 15.1.0) Emacs inside the app bundle is using: Pete 250 /\ otool -L = /Applications/AquaEmacs-28.0.90.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs=20 /Applications/AquaEmacs-28.0.90.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs: /System/Library/Frameworks/AppKit.framework/Versions/C/AppKit = (compatibility version 45.0.0, current version 2113.20.111) /System/Library/Frameworks/IOKit.framework/Versions/A/IOKit = (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 275.0.0) /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Carbon = (compatibility version 2.0.0, current version 165.0.0) = /System/Library/Frameworks/IOSurface.framework/Versions/A/IOSurface = (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0) = /System/Library/Frameworks/QuartzCore.framework/Versions/A/QuartzCore = (compatibility version 1.2.0, current version 1.11.0) /opt/local/lib/libtiff.5.dylib (compatibility version 13.0.0, = current version 13.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libjpeg.8.dylib (compatibility version 8.0.0, = current version 8.2.2) /opt/local/lib/libpng16.16.dylib (compatibility version 54.0.0, = current version 54.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libgif.4.dylib (compatibility version 6.0.0, = current version 6.7.0) /opt/local/lib/librsvg-2.2.dylib (compatibility version 51.0.0, = current version 51.0.0) /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current = version 1311.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libgio-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version = 6201.0.0, current version 6201.6.0) /opt/local/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version = 4201.0.0, current version 4201.2.0) /opt/local/lib/libgobject-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version = 6201.0.0, current version 6201.6.0) /opt/local/lib/libglib-2.0.0.dylib (compatibility version = 6201.0.0, current version 6201.6.0) /opt/local/lib/libintl.8.dylib (compatibility version 11.0.0, = current version 11.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libcairo.2.dylib (compatibility version = 11707.0.0, current version 11707.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libxml2.2.dylib (compatibility version 12.0.0, = current version 12.12.0) /opt/local/lib/libncurses.6.dylib (compatibility version 6.0.0, = current version 6.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libgnutls.30.dylib (compatibility version 59.0.0, = current version 59.2.0) /opt/local/lib/liblcms2.2.dylib (compatibility version 3.0.0, = current version 3.12.0) /opt/local/lib/libz.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, = current version 1.2.11) /opt/local/lib/libjansson.4.dylib (compatibility version 18.0.0, = current version 18.0.0) /opt/local/lib/libgmp.10.dylib (compatibility version 15.0.0, = current version 15.1.0) = /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundat= ion (compatibility version 150.0.0, current version 1856.105.0) = /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Versions/A/CoreGraphics = (compatibility version 64.0.0, current version 1557.3.2) = /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/CoreServices = (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1141.1.0) = /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreText.framework/Versions/A/CoreText = (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0) = /System/Library/Frameworks/Foundation.framework/Versions/C/Foundation = (compatibility version 300.0.0, current version 1856.105.0) /usr/lib/libobjc.A.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current = version 228.0.0) After having built and installed the NS variant I can simply 'make = distclean', configure for X11, 'make' and 'sudo make install' and have = two working variants of GNU Emacs on my Mac. With dumping it has become = a bit complicated. One reason is that the NS variant cannot be built = when configure'd --with-dumping=3Dnone: gmake -C ../nextstep all gmake[2]: Entering directory = '/Users/pete/Quellen/Emacs_CVS/emacs-28.0.90/nextstep' gmake -C ../src emacs gmake[2]: *** No rule to make target '../src/emacs.pdmp', needed = by = '/Users/pete/Quellen/Emacs_CVS/emacs-28.0.90/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/M= acOS/libexec/Emacs.pdmp'. 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First I performed: root 258 /\ l /usr/local/bin/emacs* lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 13 2022-01-02 14:49 = /usr/local/bin/emacs -> emacs-28.0.90 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 16686568 2018-06-26 21:54 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-26.1 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 6544176 2021-01-30 17:29 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-27.1 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 6544464 2021-01-30 18:37 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-27.1.91 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 7052688 2021-12-26 22:31 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-27.2 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 6962224 2021-12-23 10:44 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-28.0.50 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 6596656 2022-01-02 14:49 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-28.0.90 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 78416 2022-01-02 14:49 = /usr/local/bin/emacsclient root 259 /\ mv -v /usr/local/bin/emacs-28.0.90 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-28.0.90-X11-c11 /usr/local/bin/emacs-28.0.90 -> = /usr/local/bin/emacs-28.0.90-X11-c11 root 260 /\ mv -v /usr/local/bin/emacs = /usr/local/bin/emacs-symlink /usr/local/bin/emacs -> /usr/local/bin/emacs-symlink root 261 /\ l /usr/local/bin/emacs* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 16686568 2018-06-26 21:54 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-26.1 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 6544176 2021-01-30 17:29 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-27.1 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 6544464 2021-01-30 18:37 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-27.1.91 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 7052688 2021-12-26 22:31 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-27.2 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 6962224 2021-12-23 10:44 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-28.0.50 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 6596656 2022-01-02 14:49 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-28.0.90-X11-c11 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 13 2022-01-02 14:49 = /usr/local/bin/emacs-symlink -> emacs-28.0.90 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 78416 2022-01-02 14:49 = /usr/local/bin/emacsclient Then I invoked as mortal user = '/Applications/AquaEmacs-28.0.90.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -Q' and had no = problems to run shell, calendar, visit some directory, look into a = tar.xz or a tar.gz file and also quit. 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Content preview: Alan Third writes: > But the emacs executable is installed in /usr/local/bin or wherever. > The app bundle is there purely as a helper for running from the GUI. > I've said this three times now. > > If you want two, inc [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Alan Third writes: > But the emacs executable is installed in /usr/local/bin or wherever. > The app bundle is there purely as a helper for running from the GUI. > I've said this three times now. > > If you want two, incompatible, UNIX style installs, you have to give > them different prefixes. You wouldn't expect to be able to install > both the PGTK and motif ports in the same place on a GNU/Linux system. Skimming this bug report, I'm not sure I understand what the problem is, or whether there's a problem here at all. Using different prefixes is certainly the way to do it if you want to install two different Emacs versions, but I'm not very familiar with Macos stuff. (And as usual, I don't understand why somebody says "make install" at all on a development version -- Emacs runs just fine from the build directories.) 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Yes, it needs some work. The NS variant does not use the dumped image = inside its application bundle although this image is installed there: total 0 drwxr-xr-x 6 pete admin 192 2 Jan 14:29 Contents =09 ./Contents: total 48 -rw-r--r-- 1 pete admin 18094 2 Jan 14:20 Info.plist drwxr-xr-x 4 pete admin 128 2 Jan 14:29 MacOS -rw-r--r-- 1 pete admin 8 1 Dez 21:37 PkgInfo drwxr-xr-x 6 pete admin 192 7 Dez 10:15 Resources =09 ./Contents/MacOS: total 13696 -rwxr-xr-x 1 pete admin 7011232 2 Jan 14:29 Emacs <=3D=3D= executable drwxr-xr-x 3 pete admin 96 2 Jan 14:29 libexec =09 ./Contents/MacOS/libexec: total 30992 -rw-r--r-- 1 pete admin 15866216 2 Jan 14:29 Emacs.pdmp <=3D=3D= dumped image ./libexec/Emacs.pdmp =09 ./Contents/Resources: total 576 -rw-r--r-- 1 pete admin 128 1 Dez 21:37 Credits.html -rw-r--r-- 1 pete admin 145987 1 Dez 21:37 Emacs.icns drwxr-xr-x 3 pete admin 96 2 Jan 14:20 English.lproj -rw-r--r-- 1 pete admin 142428 1 Dez 21:37 document.icns =09 ./Contents/Resources/English.lproj: total 8 -rw-r--r-- 1 pete admin 260 2 Jan 14:20 InfoPlist.strings If Emacs.pdmp in /usr/local tree it is used from there. If it's not = there Emacs loads a lot of ELisp files before it opens any frame and = obviously never uses Contents/MacOS/libexec/Emacs.pdmp or = ./libexec/Emacs.pdmp, relative to the executable. Besides, GNU Emacs 28.0.90 will become after changes version 28.1 and be = released. Then I would need to install "them", the NS variant and the = X11 client. I am just testing this. -- Greetings Pete Think of XML as Lisp for COBOL programmers. - Tony-A (some guy on /.) From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:55:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52948: 28.0.90; NS variant and X11 client are not separated on macOS Monterey, Version 12.1 Resent-From: Alan Third Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52948 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Peter Dyballa Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 52948@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52948-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52948.164224940727966 (code B ref 52948); Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:24:02 +0000 Received: (at 52948) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2022 12:23:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39305 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8i5e-0007H0-LN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:23:26 -0500 Received: from outbound.soverin.net ([116.202.126.228]:40785) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8i5Z-0007Gh-To for 52948@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:23:25 -0500 Received: from smtp.soverin.net (unknown [10.10.3.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by outbound.soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7706D261; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.soverin.net (smtp.soverin.net [159.69.232.138]) by soverin.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=idiocy.org; s=soverin; t=1642249394; bh=AFc4MWIs7lUdhTTI9r63zoxgEwu2BLf2aaR51FwFmKk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=goR0MhDeiQj/DSVg0sFb7bcRr2a739TU+gta6wMRIP4I2S8wSeympXS9rcQB2MYyl sRv5m7gkhx2/FwjwWmMfOEK9o4YsmkvTxmAHn68S+YfDs3USHgt/KTAqiFRcUAzq/1 8ehzWPHL00MXflnCydf4sSXSgeCxSxfj6d2uvbySiiQimEPxWelX9u/aCUAdIXr1a/ 8vlLUC5G431ncSIzgCr97HVCTCe/iGB04TjvTY0d7/EUC5J9d1mxG8ojNNJe05WjAG 0NW+QMIqOeN5DZeGb3DJbUUO0Fc3CdudaMHB9WKRSEz7yGz/25TFHzR9gG4fsnSB9/ 9e91ZLm+CrHgA== Received: from alan by faroe.holly.idiocy.org with local (Exim 4.95-RC2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8i5S-002Rka-VJ; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:23:14 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:23:14 +0000 From: Alan Third Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Alan Third , Peter Dyballa , Lars Ingebrigtsen , 52948@debbugs.gnu.org References: <3213B217-ABA7-4EFF-82C5-0C28F5939DF6@Web.DE> <1DC228C8-F222-4FD6-8715-D32934C0A422@Web.DE> <87ilulz76n.fsf@gnus.org> <75FFA3D3-8F52-44AE-BA6A-E73B7939B148@Web.DE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <75FFA3D3-8F52-44AE-BA6A-E73B7939B148@Web.DE> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 10:44:56AM +0100, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > > > So is there anything to do here, or should this bug report be closed? > > Yes, it needs some work. The NS variant does not use the dumped > image inside its application bundle although this image is installed > there: I disagree. Since Peter didn't request a bundled install I think it's plain wrong for Emacs to look for _any_ files in the bundle. > If Emacs.pdmp in /usr/local tree it is used from there. If it's not > there Emacs loads a lot of ELisp files before it opens any frame and > obviously never uses Contents/MacOS/libexec/Emacs.pdmp or > ./libexec/Emacs.pdmp, relative to the executable. I feel I should point out that Peter is not requesting that Emacs looks in the bundle if it fails to *find* emacs.pdmp, he's requesting that it looks in the bundle if it finds an emacs.pdmp file and that one fails to load because it's for a different build. As I've said before, Peter wants to be able to do a UNIX style install and then replace arbitrary files in the install and still have everything work. The obvious solution is for him to either have it installed under two different prefixes, or just use the bundled install for his NS build since he apparently wants to run it from the app bundle anyway. -- Alan Third From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:55:35 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52948: 28.0.90; NS variant and X11 client are not separated on macOS Monterey, Version 12.1 Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 16:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52948 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Alan Third Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 52948@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52948-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52948.164226293323568 (code B ref 52948); Sat, 15 Jan 2022 16:09:01 +0000 Received: (at 52948) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2022 16:08:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41579 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8lbo-000682-F1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:08:53 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:33723) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8lbi-00067i-0O for 52948@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:08:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1642262913; bh=ZSTxMpm4osJV3avlxYPLaEhoBo3d9yV/B+1oVXsjbek=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=H8tWuWsAxhWSyy4XcFS6A6BrRq+DeAj/10c8vKFipz26K1tSj8me+Q+E1OAhvCD9w ouRPXtLTumGzeQzOArQHMNru/eOtwh7CKpO3ioTk3lFEe9U0hRrH0s9fTo8iCHNRro w7vd6fgvqa/Mxt1zNhOjsInOdszsozbY83fFSacA= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from smtpclient.apple ([176.199.137.124]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb006 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MOUxu-1myFNG3PTC-00QJa5; Sat, 15 Jan 2022 17:08:32 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 17:08:31 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3213B217-ABA7-4EFF-82C5-0C28F5939DF6@Web.DE> <1DC228C8-F222-4FD6-8715-D32934C0A422@Web.DE> <87ilulz76n.fsf@gnus.org> <75FFA3D3-8F52-44AE-BA6A-E73B7939B148@Web.DE> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:hMa9fUrZ0yDVXz0DSsDr7yjsZhBT0kajr07kaZYcDfd5yTJPXPC NcCiJ79HFSedklX5lCRYUiiaC8J1TPyFwN+yBc1spXNpzgZSBZgQeDQCOFuWDgkxDFX7Bt3 XAUNIHDsbMq/+CWjDZA04VH+lz25w0E2/jcPXXbatwqgYxgP5f6nvo6YFtx4wnZf6ofZtgA Zhaf8m7RcbddlZ5T8M5iQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:6cnKqcU05f4=:5x+tYfAhn9gzQvsDTfV6Ic vyW6zuYB3tmXoXVRDd/PpahMnlt7OS889L2yanJ1HNOCMjspV3+4WMM7fnF+pz+lvrob9Pmmr +L9IR022vm4tkIevr20c/9cP6WJ0thxWqWEiCniBAootmE9y102KLTCK5jwyldnN7ytzy3Sht KCnpxQlS0j/BhedaC5Y/mzjRKYSNJzp9rk5uwUD0QLybvYkb8xoumpd3GoWVnfVOo5ByBkzsL KXoridddRkFZV/qbD44/1pZOXlC6oIgnfpviTC/BzuVU2JdAQN6C4ABHMHaLQinthqaDl8GnS zRyEJroRo+zBRnFgxVKSiSKEcL/2MtMTtWxPIsUYuglaURlZwOXwNg8UchLWkA4/hgOjhwMTf mauWytklwze8ddosJVc0wq+tKClgmJzYUq9GqcFAkdPUQwfRWgVWf4ie2DM6xei8f8ECE7Fxj 6c+V+0ZYeSmzkDw2/6pNzHRd4RL/jLnEzsISDFzSCOjqVU19WfmtYIhnafnqgfHYliGluZY3B ocYMb1VCoFzztPGhmrhPEuEmfKfWaSf2FP/r4ZHD4SnGx2Q1SjpH4shzLgvkDXDKwN9y0sLBq lQYSAaA9d4U5DKSF/UOA5DoVaRtj2hJxe1yBfI2QzaCdl0KZRdfTqRTEeee86q8ommJv9UO4c eUPFf4X1cLcXk1P8bX1ZLYbfuvx6cQ1V4Q9nmxLoe8DfYZn3Pp8YgGEiaFFL5MTHVPf8zbSI3 sorYWCCd+f+GWEX47a6GxpAWX301xTS8pmIwfMEaHhwvfuU16yiGbQo1b1+Vt0qzvt+K4KHYw CklVgVHyAY4wgtgVO9PcMt8IMhks7cGyRWppV5m6hjAcAtWZLGiu9Y8mHQPDPWK2JD2Ndwwq+ E+9lyZl37GzuBXA5UyPLI+NV5wFlyholdaATwmDKYHbGWjRee1LAWuXQgCVEphK2QGOvEGIq1 e26J9lakned5jMkIXgTgRoVbFB+rdIppvaFxLb2qB/Ca+WKyWr/gdpkNasIN/6LZR4OUHIZjT 9WeJ4uTSxwE88Jl5FVR5x2J+S2hPxHrJr3sWJ3HxIXROfzX93a2SsDKYztBCvHfmaAL5nVwMN r1bojKNAIYNGVc= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Another useful option would be if building the NS variant would work = without dumping. This stopped working (compared to version 27). The X = client can be built without dumping: gmake[2]: *** No rule to make target '../src/emacs.pdmp', needed = by = '/Users/pete/Quellen/Emacs_CVS/emacs-28.0.90/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/M= acOS/libexec/Emacs.pdmp'. when configured with "--with-dumping=3Dnone". This shows, IMO, that = there is an intention to put the dumped image into the application = bundle. 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Content preview: Alan Third writes: > As I've said before, Peter wants to be able to do a UNIX style install > and then replace arbitrary files in the install and still have > everything work. > > The obvious solution is for him to eith [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Alan Third writes: > As I've said before, Peter wants to be able to do a UNIX style install > and then replace arbitrary files in the install and still have > everything work. > > The obvious solution is for him to either have it installed under two > different prefixes, or just use the bundled install for his NS build > since he apparently wants to run it from the app bundle anyway. 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