From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 29 06:16:17 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2021 11:16:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48125 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n2WwL-0004vK-FI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 06:16:17 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:41062) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n2WwJ-0004vC-JW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 06:16:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53070) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2WwJ-0002Xd-A6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 06:16:15 -0500 Received: from mailgw301.it.ntnu.no ([129.241.56.179]:46118) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2WwF-0007cU-F3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 06:16:14 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ntnu.no; i=@ntnu.no; q=dns/txt; s=s1-1909-ntnu; t=1640776568; h=message-id : date : mime-version : to : from : subject : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : from; bh=KsA4QcKRwB9KN8YEkQBKRajWsR20/yvuiF1yPVUHTME=; b=ybY9+7D5kgJURDgphG0E/nkvnreHpLQDA0a1XxAvWa6965lFSQHla6+lXIoM7QMYBcbR2 +kVusKe3FqEi8tIPsZxsEHkVXvhjivxsqmkSeopJXW/NCGNsTR3bGIwZ7+6/bsI9tnegDMB LnaB/c3pyZBi4CFgYIq20TvwbXvwdymdOLFAwflBo9iYA/no+oJ8hV9c7YpZTZbsDU9BfKu 42sMJm2uWegd1+QfslXp9nPbGEC+URsOWrnv+QhG2wZ+cx6i49rzDvxuQcXN3dbLS4BIQIt Ytegn9xuJsPIb9oY3KZ/RS5eDynusPAjOI7gAjNGSX9ECIksfQWL2BqQ1PCA== Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw301.it.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7A9683A3B for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 12:16:08 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailgw301.it.ntnu.no X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.59 X-Spam-Level: Received: from mailgw301.it.ntnu.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailgw301.it.ntnu.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wWVAHQyJZ52f for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 12:16:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.1.1.216] (unknown [91.219.215.154]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: takringe) by mailgw301.it.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C8FA7683A38 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 12:16:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 12:16:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.4.1 Content-Language: nn-NO To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Tor Kringeland Subject: Norwegian keyboard input method not implemented correctly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=129.241.56.179; envelope-from=tor.a.s.kringeland@ntnu.no; helo=mailgw301.it.ntnu.no X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) The Norwegian keyboard input method is not implemented correctly. In the source code (`lisp/leim/quail/latin-post.el') it is noted that the implementation is based on the SUN keyboard layout. This should be (and correct me if I'm wrong) the one given here [1] (see also [2]). Most of the characters are correct (importantly æøå which you can't produce on a US keyboard), however there some inaccuracies. For example, the key to the left of Z should produce < but it produces ~ and with shift it should produce > but it produces ^. Another example is the key to the right of [ which produces é (and É with shift), while [1] specifies that it should produce diacritics (I think it's ¨, which is standard for the Norwegian keyboards I've seen, but the resolution is quite low). Note that the diacritics should be produced as a prefix, so by /e.g./ entering e as the next character you'd get ë. - [1] https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19683-01/806-6642/images/BR.norwegian.gif - [2] https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19683-01/806-6642/new-43/index.html From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 29 08:18:59 2021 Received: (at 52868) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2021 13:18:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48224 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n2Yr4-0001yN-QT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 08:18:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49610) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n2Yr3-0001yB-9O for 52868@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 08:18:57 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=38342 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2Yqu-0006wW-Rp; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 08:18:49 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=A/j4C9tZvhtkJxyDb04YAUkWkVI8EH2bRxO0UvsXug0=; b=gNfajw883gjcstIhpeRO jfXpXdnbw0UcmsMa+mtnssSVz2POHhg9HkL/PKmdTBzJvc9sF8IZpStSllppQbskKKAWdQOQ+KXwK b/+Sr8+azSo8+XsBHTMvPQn4eYJg6T/XQUBLJ1e9NRRz7rcbYaTggt2sCwZJmMhQm6gmotYrRDJ5O Y8uPTVEcCJP1bkdYNycdr+0LVlTrZz4L3xYAqEOspXJX1zq//i4roefGvr7ZZBQPad/n5oJTq1CX5 sE0MLsklU/s47MNLQ/uUidP+zg4qcmD0Lk+EVqSJiR5Vpr218kIZFWlFMeXX1rn6FiwAX+14AFSEl UBKRQdq4SKDMBg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3904 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2Yqu-0001q2-Qy; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 08:18:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 15:18:51 +0200 Message-Id: <83zgojk0qs.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Tor Kringeland In-Reply-To: (message from Tor Kringeland on Wed, 29 Dec 2021 12:16:06 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#52868: Norwegian keyboard input method not implemented correctly References: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52868 Cc: 52868@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 12:16:06 +0100 > From: Tor Kringeland > > The Norwegian keyboard input method is not implemented correctly. In > the source code (`lisp/leim/quail/latin-post.el') it is noted that the > implementation is based on the SUN keyboard layout. This should be > (and correct me if I'm wrong) the one given here [1] (see also [2]). > > Most of the characters are correct (importantly æøå which you can't > produce on a US keyboard), however there some inaccuracies. For > example, the key to the left of Z should produce < but it produces ~ > and with shift it should produce > but it produces ^. Another example > is the key to the right of [ which produces é (and É with shift), > while [1] specifies that it should produce diacritics (I think it's ¨, > which is standard for the Norwegian keyboards I've seen, but the > resolution is quite low). Note that the diacritics should be produced > as a prefix, so by /e.g./ entering e as the next character you'd get > ë. Thank you for your report. Would you like to propose a patch to fix those problems?