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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=mx0a-00069f02.pphosted.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) This part of the doc isn't helpful: If called interactively, enable Visual-Line mode if ARG is positive, and disable it if ARG is zero or negative. What on earth is ARG, for interactive use? The description of interactive use should talk about things like a prefix arg, not about unexplained things like ARG. How will a user know how to pass argument ARG interactively? (Once again, minor-mode doc problems. This seems to be a never-ending cleanup.) 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Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > This part of the doc isn't helpful: > > If called interactively, enable Visual-Line mode if ARG is positive, > and disable it if ARG is zero or negative. > > What on earth is ARG, for interactive us [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Drew Adams writes: > This part of the doc isn't helpful: > > If called interactively, enable Visual-Line mode if ARG is positive, > and disable it if ARG is zero or negative. > > What on earth is ARG, for interactive use? The description of > interactive use should talk about things like a prefix arg, not about > unexplained things like ARG. How will a user know how to pass argument > ARG interactively? > > (Once again, minor-mode doc problems. This seems to be a never-ending > cleanup.) I think you've reported this a couple of times before? And it's fixed in Emacs 28: --- This is a minor mode. If called interactively, toggle the =E2=80=98Visual-Line mode=E2=80=99 mode. If the prefix argument is positiv= e, enable the mode, and if it is zero or negative, disable the mode. If called from Lisp, toggle the mode if ARG is =E2=80=98toggle=E2=80=99. E= nable the mode if ARG is nil, omitted, or is a positive number. 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The description of > interactive use should talk about things like a prefix arg, not about > unexplained things like ARG. How will a user know how to pass argument > ARG interactively? It's standard -- every user should know how to give a command a numeric arg. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Sun Aug 10 00:24:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52741: [External] : Re: bug#52741: 27.2; Doc string of `visual-line-mode' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 05:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52741 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "rms@gnu.org" Cc: "52741@debbugs.gnu.org" <52741@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 52741-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52741.164032398025930 (code B ref 52741); Fri, 24 Dec 2021 05:33:02 +0000 Received: (at 52741) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2021 05:33:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35443 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n0dCN-0006kA-Ns for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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