From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:36:15 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52537: [DOC] =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98top-visible=E2=80=99?= and =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98bottom-visible=E2=80=99?= (erroneous indications) Resent-From: Kevin Vigouroux Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 06:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 52537 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 52537@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.163963434121681 (code B ref -1); Thu, 16 Dec 2021 06:00:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2021 05:59:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34274 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mxjnB-0005dZ-7J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 00:59:01 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:48332) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mxjn5-0005dG-Sr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Thu, 16 Dec 2021 06:58:36 +0100 (CET) From: Kevin Vigouroux Mail-Followup-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 06:58:35 +0100 Message-ID: <87v8zp8510.fsf@laposte.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=laposte.net; s=lpn-wlmd; t=1639634317; bh=4rgfQyqjlP1X3cZduEUvMZsEyqlGpjFP0oadt+3Tl7s=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Qt2fcpmzVYunc/ncB/F516m6MABfcNE7xVxo8JjSoXySJJNUhLG/64HzLRBt/1DinzFOCSYWuBln0Tz4xfis/W+nqnOmfrtWdDfbloU2h9owJ+zKqVM/ZvseoBumVVeKzHHKrJlt7+R13NbeFDIqOUPrgXdFN4HJ56jAMBq5cMIVLmS1PObWLIpU7TdWoRPISsX0sOEX0pgKPIsWWhBvKJKNYCZk6NM4mZs7zD3NUpK9jmS6yC9sLKkGincH1sV+1sMxHKRX4GxhXixU1dmUOm7Z/4ZMdeUXL1wt8CvBEyp0ZG2ytlJNCX2GwHsFofU2IpQe5Keqxypboy9jhouGEA==; Received-SPF: pass client-ip=160.92.124.96; envelope-from=ke.vigouroux@laposte.net; helo=smtp-outgoing-1601.laposte.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) In the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual, section 29.14 Child Frames, a paragraph contains some errors about =E2=80=98top-visible=E2=80=99 and =E2= =80=98bottom-visible=E2=80=99. #+begin_quote The =E2=80=98top-visible=E2=80=99 parameter specifies the >>number of pixel= s at the top of the frame that always remain visible<< within the parent=E2=80=99s nativ= e frame during dragging and should be set when specifying a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80= =99 =E2=80=98drag-with-header-line=E2=80=99 parameter. The =E2=80=98bottom-vis= ible=E2=80=99 parameter specifies the >>number of pixels at the bottom of the frame that always remain visible<< within the parent=E2=80=99s native frame during dragging a= nd should be preferred when specifying a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98dr= ag-with-mode-line=E2=80=99 parameter. #+end_quote The correct description is given in the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual, section 29.4.3.7 Mouse Dragging Parameters. #+begin_quote =E2=80=98top-visible=E2=80=99 If this parameter is a number, >>the top edge of the frame never appears above the top edge<< of its display or parent frame. Moreover, as many pixels of the frame as specified by that number will remain visible >>when the frame is moved against any of the remaining edges<< of its display or parent frame. Setting this parameter is useful to guard against dragging a child frame with a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98drag-with-header-line=E2=80=99 para= meter completely out of the area of its parent frame. =E2=80=98bottom-visible=E2=80=99 If this parameter is a number, >>the bottom edge of the frame never appears below the bottom edge<< of its display or parent frame. Moreover, as many pixels of the frame as specified by that number will remain visible >>when the frame is moved against any of the remaining edges<< of its display or parent frame. Setting this parameter is useful to guard against dragging a child frame with a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98drag-with-mode-line=E2=80=99 parame= ter completely out of the area of its parent frame. #+end_quote We may move the child frame with the mouse but not above (below) the top (bottom) edge of the native frame of the parent frame: this is the role of =E2=80=98top-visible=E2=80=99 (=E2=80=98bottom-visible=E2=80=99) paramet= er. --=20 Best regards, Kevin Vigouroux From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:36:15 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52537: [DOC] =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98top-visible=E2=80=99?= and =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98bottom-visible=E2=80=99?= (erroneous indications) Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 08:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52537 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Kevin Vigouroux Cc: 52537@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16396425317772 (code B ref -1); Thu, 16 Dec 2021 08:16:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2021 08:15:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34446 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mxlvG-00021I-VD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 03:15:31 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:43946) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mxlvD-000216-BU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 03:15:28 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56126) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxlvD-0006qF-5d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 03:15:27 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=53736 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxlvC-000280-64; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 03:15:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=4DJOE5BHEeTIkunnp/XiKky24PMOo/SiRse+qw1l21Q=; b=LGOCU/Mi6jnMf3k0WTaW A6sQ4keEl1Pf2swNq5C9+ItuwtLeWlLViPqLtB/DUo0gLvsqf30NLEjIGyRNQIQEIK7MhMhmMcoD+ HlUrjft06Zc3d+oagg4sJIXqH7sq6JqwAfMqtqi4H8kUDKxJkXb6C0GFD+BFtE498VqbIoOSmNx3u 5bbIN3lYc5nvKn/es3f2XIYloUS9fWQrInzIzWF4Stc4pWrXx3SsGpdOpUoksdnCFFEvgzOggXuD0 KmibEgPV0dAs0AaWi5OB43FmwmKln72nn8ui/oy5SvwbUvgeQjQoDjczoZyE8Omd47CI4nJBFpz1c 7gl93Y7+QGJaBA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3638 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxlv9-0007UK-9p; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 03:15:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:15:06 +0200 Message-Id: <83zgp1ge45.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87v8zp8510.fsf@laposte.net> (bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org) References: <87v8zp8510.fsf@laposte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 06:58:35 +0100 > From: Kevin Vigouroux via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" > > In the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual, section 29.14 Child Frames, a > paragraph contains some errors about ‘top-visible’ and ‘bottom-visible’. > > #+begin_quote > The ‘top-visible’ parameter specifies the >>number of pixels at the top > of the frame that always remain visible<< within the parent’s native frame > during dragging and should be set when specifying a non-‘nil’ > ‘drag-with-header-line’ parameter. The ‘bottom-visible’ parameter > specifies the >>number of pixels at the bottom of the frame that always > remain visible<< within the parent’s native frame during dragging and > should be preferred when specifying a non-‘nil’ ‘drag-with-mode-line’ > parameter. > #+end_quote > > The correct description is given in the Emacs Lisp Reference > Manual, section 29.4.3.7 Mouse Dragging Parameters. > > #+begin_quote > ‘top-visible’ > If this parameter is a number, >>the top edge of the frame never > appears above the top edge<< of its display or parent frame. > Moreover, as many pixels of the frame as specified by that number > will remain visible >>when the frame is moved against any of the > remaining edges<< of its display or parent frame. Setting this > parameter is useful to guard against dragging a child frame with a > non-‘nil’ ‘drag-with-header-line’ parameter completely out of the > area of its parent frame. > > ‘bottom-visible’ > If this parameter is a number, >>the bottom edge of the frame never > appears below the bottom edge<< of its display or parent frame. > Moreover, as many pixels of the frame as specified by that number > will remain visible >>when the frame is moved against any of the > remaining edges<< of its display or parent frame. Setting this > parameter is useful to guard against dragging a child frame with a > non-‘nil’ ‘drag-with-mode-line’ parameter completely out of the > area of its parent frame. > #+end_quote > > We may move the child frame with the mouse but not above (below) the top > (bottom) edge of the native frame of the parent frame: this is the role > of ‘top-visible’ (‘bottom-visible’) parameter. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't necessarily see the error in the first text vs the second one. Could you please point out the part(s) that is/are incorrect there? (Having one description be general and another more specific and accurate is not a problem, it's how our manuals are written in general.) Thanks. From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:36:15 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52537: [DOC] =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98top-visible=E2=80=99?= and =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98bottom-visible=E2=80=99?= (erroneous indications) Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 08:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52537 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 52537@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.163964419510956 (code B ref -1); Thu, 16 Dec 2021 08:44:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2021 08:43:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34487 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mxmM7-0002qe-HF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 03:43:15 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:40942) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mxmM1-0002qQ-Fg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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envelope-from=rudalics@gmx.at; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) > In the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual, section 29.14 Child Frames, This is section 30.14 in Emacs 28. > a > paragraph contains some errors about =E2=80=98top-visible=E2=80=99 and= =E2=80=98bottom-visible=E2=80=99. > > #+begin_quote > The =E2=80=98top-visible=E2=80=99 parameter specifies the >>number of = pixels at the top > of the frame that always remain visible<< within the parent=E2=80=99s = native frame > during dragging and should be set when specifying a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2= =80=99 > =E2=80=98drag-with-header-line=E2=80=99 parameter. Although the description is not overly exhaustive, I cannot see an error here. When I do (set-frame-parameter nil 'top-visible 100) for a child frame with a header line and mouse-drag that frame via the header line towards the bottom edge of its parent frame, at least 100 pixels of that frame will remain visible. > The =E2=80=98bottom-visible=E2=80=99 parameter > specifies the >>number of pixels at the bottom of the frame that alway= s > remain visible<< within the parent=E2=80=99s native frame during dragg= ing and > should be preferred when specifying a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 =E2=80= =98drag-with-mode-line=E2=80=99 > parameter. > #+end_quote > > The correct description is given in the Emacs Lisp Reference > Manual, section 29.4.3.7 Mouse Dragging Parameters. Which has become section 30.4.3.7 in Emacs 28. > #+begin_quote > =E2=80=98top-visible=E2=80=99 > If this parameter is a number, >>the top edge of the frame never= > appears above the top edge<< of its display or parent frame. Do you mean this part should be mentioned in section 30.14 too ... > Moreover, as many pixels of the frame as specified by that numbe= r > will remain visible >>when the frame is moved against any of the= > remaining edges<< of its display or parent frame. Setting this > parameter is useful to guard against dragging a child frame with= a > non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98drag-with-header-line=E2=80=99= parameter completely out of the > area of its parent frame. > > =E2=80=98bottom-visible=E2=80=99 > If this parameter is a number, >>the bottom edge of the frame ne= ver > appears below the bottom edge<< of its display or parent frame. =2E.. and also this part? > Moreover, as many pixels of the frame as specified by that numbe= r > will remain visible >>when the frame is moved against any of the= > remaining edges<< of its display or parent frame. Setting this > parameter is useful to guard against dragging a child frame with= a > non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98drag-with-mode-line=E2=80=99 = parameter completely out of the > area of its parent frame. > #+end_quote > > We may move the child frame with the mouse but not above (below) the t= op > (bottom) edge of the native frame of the parent frame: this is the rol= e > of =E2=80=98top-visible=E2=80=99 (=E2=80=98bottom-visible=E2=80=99) pa= rameter. Please elaborate: Is it "just" that these two parts are missing from the Child Frames section (in which case I will happily add them there) or is there a more intrinsic error in that section? Thanks, martin From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:36:15 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52537: [DOC] =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98top-visible=E2=80=99?= and =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98bottom-visible=E2=80=99?= (erroneous indications) Resent-From: Kevin Vigouroux Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 11:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52537 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 52537@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16396530954034 (code B ref -1); Thu, 16 Dec 2021 11:12:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2021 11:11:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34817 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mxoff-00012z-JV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 06:11:35 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:38394) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mxofa-00012m-OK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Thu, 16 Dec 2021 12:11:15 +0100 (CET) From: Kevin Vigouroux References: <87v8zp8510.fsf@laposte.net> <83zgp1ge45.fsf@gnu.org> Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 12:11:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83zgp1ge45.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:15:06 +0200") Message-ID: <87r1ac954d.fsf@laposte.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=laposte.net; s=lpn-wlmd; t=1639653082; bh=mEhGEuWDDkoFoksH6G5+QHP3Pm54X/UCJICK46PLBAo=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=crQepq1GtZ4/EH8SVgb/1MKXwyiNM+oMWO7yTLP/+30Xqc69nlZ0kLaDJW5PWeQZdRP68B3kbOmrNvB6YmzOqude3WP8wNwjMnbUbUDZ157ulQO5leJI0tFQ8D+Lw4nPrbQo3PzOkFYHV9c3tOX5zN0m5dg2mgmP/Wz0NEpZmvFIbdOUZIvQLB5lVCO0hKcHUY8zacCuA8qWNOp72nt/Wxt1R/Y3YSqA0S1/DsTV1amTxIsMpF5DuoITFmjS6q8zreJELh4fI3WriVLSaGjjWW28WjjHaz1exOwVmqmQ+ox18Cg/84SDp2iqUx1In3k9EZlUlgxX3RDtLbaGDR8vhw==; 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It could be rephrased like this. #+begin_quote The =E2=80=98top-visible=E2=80=99 parameter specifies that the number of pi= xels is /the *top area* of the child frame that *always* remain visible/ within the parent=E2=80=99s native frame during dragging [...] The =E2=80=98bottom-vis= ible=E2=80=99 parameters specifies that the number of pixels is /the *bottom area* of the child frame that *always* remain visible/ within the parent=E2=80=99s n= ative frame during dragging [...]. #+end_quote From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:36:15 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52537: [DOC] =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98top-visible=E2=80=99?= and =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98bottom-visible=E2=80=99?= (erroneous indications) Resent-From: Kevin Vigouroux Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 11:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52537 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 52537@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16396536454996 (code B ref -1); 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: martin rudalics writes: > Please elaborate: Is it "just" that these two parts are missing from the > Child Frames section (in which case I will happily add them there) or is > there a more intrinsic error in that section? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) martin rudalics writes: > Please elaborate: Is it "just" that these two parts are missing from the > Child Frames section (in which case I will happily add them there) or is > there a more intrinsic error in that section? Kevin Vigouroux writes: > I am somewhat dyspraxic so making things as clear as possible keeps me > from getting confused about directions (space). Reading the documentation, it seems pretty clear to me? The proposed changed didn't make things any clearer (to me, at least), so I'm not sure whether there's anything actionable in this bug report? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 19 07:11:54 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2021 12:11:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45049 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1myv2g-0005mh-Hl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 07:11:54 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:40944) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1myv2f-0005mJ-Hh for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 07:11:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=btW5T5VkoBz4SifS33al7nHj+EjneVV60WQYS1Ti/dw=; b=j1Qmtk73ISLgNRaaeY34tbZUhQ pSej99QTv3GBE/Gwqnx6I1jtFkhzEKplsYEBAvd7Kl+1ESLj4I9wAjmHSH6nF9P964NUzEmLfgf/A 2C+Qa30OV0oiLrpuO23C5dcGUW752ZfC4MldLLA7fHhD2hgZoeuXnvOfx+8AnfjrLADY=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1myv2X-0003Uj-Sb for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 13:11:47 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2021 13:11:45 +0100 Message-Id: <87o85cu73y.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #52537 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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envelope-from=rudalics@gmx.at; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) close 52537 28.1 quit > I am somewhat dyspraxic so making things as clear as possible keeps me > from getting confused about directions (space). I checked in a fix on the release branch that should clarify things. Closing this bug. Thanks, martin