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On macOS Monterey, Version 12.0.1, I am working with the MacPorts = package manager inside GNU Emacs. In shell-mode I invoke the port = utility to self upgrade and the list the outdated packages. After = reading I mark this region (completely or partially) and apply = shell-command-on-region to extract the names of the outdated ports = (packages). The command used is awk. In *Shell Command Output* I often = re-order the sequence or remove some names and finally convert newlines = into spaces. Going to the beginning of the line I can just C-k and later = C-y to upgrade the specified ports. Kind of new behaviour is now that = the region in *shell* buffer stays marked so that C-y inserts its = contents and not the killed line. I have to Esc-y to get the killed line = contents. Is this the new behaviour or just a bug that I observed now a few times? = I also have to adjust (clean) my site-support for next launch=E2=80=A6 BTW, I've seen a bug again that was reported here as bug#47122 for GNU = Emacs 27.1.91; Quitting GNU Emacs lets 'ccccc' appear in another X = client. With GNU Emacs 28.0.50 and the regular 27.x versions I never = could reproduce this behaviour=E2=80=A6 In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin21.1.0, X toolkit, = cairo version 1.17.4, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2021-11-11 built on Kleines.fritz.box Repository revision: 5f5189e9be6c70c4db99e8057287d16955b9c620 Repository branch: HEAD Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version = 11.0.12011000 System Description: macOS 12.0.1 Configured using: 'configure --prefix=3D/opt/local --disable-silent-rules --without-ns --without-dbus --without-gconf --without-libotf --without-m17n-flt --with-libgmp --with-gnutls --with-json --with-xml2 --with-modules --infodir /opt/local/share/info/emacs --with-native-compilation --with-x-toolkit=3Dlucid --with-xaw3d --without-imagemagick --with-xpm --with-jpeg --with-tiff --with-gif --with-png --with-lcms2 --without-rsvg --with-xft 'CFLAGS=3D-pipe -Os -isysroot/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX12.sdk -arch x86_64' 'CPPFLAGS=3D-I/opt/local/include -isysroot/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX12.sdk' 'LDFLAGS=3D-L/opt/local/lib -Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -lfreetype -lfontconfig -Wl,-no_pie -Wl,-syslibroot,/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX12.sdk -arch x86_64'' Configured features: ACL CAIRO FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY KQUEUE PDUMPER PNG THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XAW3D XDBE XIM XPM LUCID ZLIB Important settings: value of $LC_CTYPE: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: ELisp/d Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t midnight-mode: t display-time-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t size-indication-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: /Library/Application Support/Emacs/preview-latex hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/preview-latex /Library/Application Support/Emacs/autoconf-mode hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/autoconf-mode /Library/Application Support/Emacs/tex-site hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/tex-site /Library/Application Support/Emacs/auctex hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex /Library/Application Support/Emacs/autotest-mode hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/autotest-mode /Library/Application Support/Emacs/punycode hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/punycode /Library/Application Support/Emacs/idna hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/idna /Library/Application Support/Emacs/cmake-mode hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/cmake-mode /Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar29/cal-move hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/calendar/cal-move /Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar29/lunar hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/calendar/lunar /Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar29/solar hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/calendar/solar /Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar29/icalendar hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/calendar/icalendar /Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar29/calendar hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/calendar/calendar /Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar29/cal-html hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/calendar/cal-html /Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar29/cal-iso hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/calendar/cal-iso /Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar29/cal-tex hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/calendar/cal-tex /Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar29/parse-time hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/calendar/parse-time /Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar29/holidays hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/calendar/holidays /Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar29/cal-menu hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/calendar/cal-menu /Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar29/hol-loaddefs hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/calendar/hol-loaddefs /Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar29/cal-x hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/calendar/cal-x /Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar29/diary-lib hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/calendar/diary-lib /Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar29/diary-loaddefs hides = /opt/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/calendar/diary-loaddefs Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message rmc puny rfc822 mml mml-sec epa epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs auth-source eieio eieio-core eieio-loaddefs password-cache json map mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils rect make-mode thingatpt cal-julian holidays hol-loaddefs mule-util time-stamp compare-w help-fns radix-tree cl-print debug backtrace find-func cal-move misearch multi-isearch vc-git diff-mode easy-mmode vc-dispatcher cl-seq cl-extra help-mode face-remap diary-lib diary-loaddefs derived cal-menu calendar cal-loaddefs compile text-property-search sh-script smie executable view bug-reference dired-aux autorevert filenotify dired dired-loaddefs time-date seq subr-x byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cconv shell pcomplete comint ansi-color ring jka-compr midnight time cus-load ucs-normalize cl-macs cl gv session desktop frameset cl-loaddefs cl-lib advice iso-transl tooltip eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads kqueue lcms2 dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process native-compile emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 412596 37904) (symbols 48 12251 0) (strings 32 42815 3685) (string-bytes 1 1604041) (vectors 16 50992) (vector-slots 8 1515969 172522) (floats 8 85 292) (intervals 56 19161 69) (buffers 992 43)) -- Greetings Pete Math illiteracy affects 7 out of every 5 Americans. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:03:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52435: 29.0.50; C-y seems to contain an old contents Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 05:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52435 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Peter Dyballa Cc: 52435@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52435-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52435.16392880717813 (code B ref 52435); Sun, 12 Dec 2021 05:48:02 +0000 Received: (at 52435) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2021 05:47:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50482 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mwHiB-00021v-EN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2021 00:47:51 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:45054) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mwHi9-000218-Ry for 52435@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2021 00:47:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=xNSegJXczd/bks06dTMDuAnDy4P3kH+MFzDwwMghwoI=; b=nzgfNG7HxLI6vjtXfjyJLzVWjS 1/EaGKJilM6+AVfbvlXb62ebSqSFOQBajkdLejyc8IK3oIt4VrPrhpxBuio1E6dsQ3h7oZjVDLkqw h+LkrvqWSW2zaOb4ukRSCpDZKYZXDJoHv7QrREWrojrVVaVrR5sXl+SjE2HYMyGTRpUQ=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mwHi1-0002MA-8q; Sun, 12 Dec 2021 06:47:43 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <46037FBE-8DAB-4913-850C-96F4F78622E2@Web.DE> X-Now-Playing: The Lounge Lizards's _No Pain for Cakes_: "Tango #3, Determination For Rosa Parks" Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 06:47:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: <46037FBE-8DAB-4913-850C-96F4F78622E2@Web.DE> (Peter Dyballa's message of "Sat, 11 Dec 2021 15:58:13 +0100") Message-ID: <877dcafk78.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Peter Dyballa writes: > The command used is awk. In *Shell Command Output* I often > re-order the sequence or remove some names and finally convert > newlines into spaces. Going to the beginning of the line I can just > C- [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Peter Dyballa writes: > The command used is awk. In *Shell Command Output* I often > re-order the sequence or remove some names and finally convert > newlines into spaces. Going to the beginning of the line I can just > C-k and later C-y to upgrade the specified ports. Kind of new > behaviour is now that the region in *shell* buffer stays marked so > that C-y inserts its contents and not the killed line. I have to Esc-y > to get the killed line contents. I'm not quite sure I follow you here. 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Launch: /opt/local/bin/emacs-29.0.50 -Q. Or equivalent. Inside GNU Emacs 29.0.50: M-x shell RET. In *shell* buffer just invoke ls -l RET for some contents. Or cat = something with a few lines contents. Move the mouse cursor and point = somewhere into this output, press C-SPACE to start marking a region. = Move the mouse cursor some lines away (above or below the start of = region). M-| or M-x shell-command-on-region RET. I chose to use "awk = '{print $NF}'". Now change to buffer *Shell Command Output* with C-x o. I think this is = decisive. Just clicking into *Shell Command Output* buffer seems to do = the right things. You are at the beginning of buffer and can immediately = replace-string ^J against SPACE CHARACTER, go to beginning of line (C-a) = and kill it with C-k. Now return to *shell* buffer with C-x o again. The = region is still marked, gets high-lighted again. With Esc-> go to the = command line prompt and C-y to insert the line you killed in *Shell = Command Output* buffer =E2=80=93 but something else (not from The Move) = is inserted. But: This is also the behaviour in GNU Emacsen 26.1, 27.1, 28.0.50 =E2=80=93= I just used C-x o for the first time in this everyday procedure? = transient-mark-mode is t, assuming it would clear the marked region when = leaving it or the buffer. The documentation in GNU Emacs 29.0.50 has become vague (on function = transient-mark-mode): The mark is "deactivated" after certain non-motion commands, including those that change the text in the buffer, = and during shift or mouse selection by any unshifted cursor motion command (see Info node =E2=80=98Shift Selection=E2=80=99 for = more details). The documentation in GNU Emacs 26.1 seems to be clearer: The mark is "deactivated" by changing the buffer, and after certain other operations that set the mark but whose main purpose is something else--for example, incremental search, M-<, and M->. And it states that the region is cleared when changing to another = buffer. But OK, maybe I have to learn this different behaviour=E2=80=A6 (After marking and applying shell-command-on-region I go to = *compilation* buffer and then exchange it with *Shell Command Output* so = that I am immediately at compilation again. Then I kill the now useless = *Shell Command Output* buffer. During this period with new GNU Emacs = 29.0.50 I exchanged *shell* with *Shell Command Output* and fell back = into it afterwards, and the mark was still active and became = high-lighted again =E2=80=93 which puzzled me. When I then invoked = compile again, the yank contents was a different one than killed. The = first time this happened I quit Emacs, assuming it or I would have a = problem with the new macOS version Monterey. The next time in new = instance I just started my procedure again, and now for the third = occurrence I tested Esc-y and more.) -- Greetings Pete With Capitalism man exploits man. With communism it's the exact = opposite. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:03:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52435: 29.0.50; C-y seems to contain an old contents Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 02:31:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52435 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Peter Dyballa Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 52435@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52435-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52435.163936265511393 (code B ref 52435); Mon, 13 Dec 2021 02:31:02 +0000 Received: (at 52435) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2021 02:30:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53529 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mwb79-0002xh-Fr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2021 21:30:55 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:49971) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mwb78-0002xU-2G for 52435@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2021 21:30:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1639362647; bh=Im1OhvrlUgvj84tCnzs2bGaT5CgsyHFMkNHaF0bCoiE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=SVr8B3DqImH7vWkmmvB8UiGxecalbz+GbT0BuFbJw10LWkZjINcjssgYPIMNqqg6V ryKF5l58efHfls+FP+QfppVA9tcIAcEVmn9JzM43qSMQWCXjNMPlNErl+3S4jgGs5c h2Ec2siIDbxExnVVjT6QEJAV1ot1eeEJNROFcwxU= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([92.208.225.87]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb005 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M8C07-1mruPU2dpj-004zJ5; Mon, 13 Dec 2021 03:30:47 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen References: <46037FBE-8DAB-4913-850C-96F4F78622E2@Web.DE> <877dcafk78.fsf@gnus.org> <8A9C7C2F-642A-454D-A99B-0945A1E2D5F7@Web.DE> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 03:30:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <8A9C7C2F-642A-454D-A99B-0945A1E2D5F7@Web.DE> (Peter Dyballa's message of "Sun, 12 Dec 2021 12:18:37 +0100") Message-ID: <87fsqxjkx5.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:D/x+lxFa3hc+UEhJbW2dvqfHEEWfgtMJYnrkwhvzIAMfmEbxAgA rQSRijQj62HrB9vwFjo4xxay6FWGmc82XZSjcKhUbmMz7CjsJcZ8GmFQOrsd4dlsPBDUKTq b0W1rDn77eahyikQaockwYY6MG/taJAf/q4g40qbgRzmPSJAP+39rpcdj3o4kYDlUkCebvo CubPM57ryPJOwhNAglhOA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ytUPlIGly9A=:6MH23QkLBqDs9KvHl7U5rq SnAAeBMfHjrFYC07k60wZ6CeYw0b2jaMblakAOzkkA6jbiO11c4DKNtWkbBiOmRwRXauK2JqD lZEuFEWlOCv80S0pv8/+4/vWhxXS8p0O2hA+z5kSF/jxcLhF7acWi7DA7mo4nyX6PKMkzTXJ3 BohD/UaBU4DpD0GhVEP224SP7bBDzNLSvKF/xjyDSa9eJJcIDogssbS3H80a8dG2Fsp/z/dX0 CsT95pSGVyDbV7Nag46JGtqVR0+NR7kVuAYNlHtfn1sNLd+JxBGUgugQ/1dGFaNkeA81tiqVz aCZdd8kqWwLpoPFDBmAxZXb1P8VQ07Ykts9nZk72TIdnwHW9QpyNg39UW7iUA/wy7W3vimHMC VIKq8c2k8dO4YNHh37hJNQSVXRgldj0vMhChAAkYfIHJwwb8aQNDeAr6utl+2v71CjHs7ebYe 2Z1d2oyhxtdAH+WEqXdS7nHtHEHxNOq5w2OnGV4TVJRzH+sjU8lqAFazahiIR9n1NxaGvIPMf gIMEj9vywsXzjlE9E6SSw7bDM/IC7DkfcVwuyQzygIC2627JxtgjAjM7Ay9qNhYaFrJ34F0R1 JYqf9G9LlVZbZbHq+lx8NnfL6YEQwCgNX2GtrBz8GeECSjtNM5FUJGCtTyLJ+nvzsNEfkdBtS o+/zeKIlUxwkv3VV/BByXkB1+9SbIhVbFkbqPL8rsYuCoQsXjTYXL0SVJwB0wNwm8cYH+Ymxy TLO19jHkRJWoUPqvDuNvfyViOyrCUE6ie+UXVuITlDuKUPyWowx2b7HUHZQ6iS0RVHqOHsuPC iQIiPVXlAnDo9GG/2ZHStvqPthbFrr7wZzn1j4i9b50bGOLPt1ethQI6YaVBSG6UG2ZAlW4ee g4NKALt42dLuaMOHe+1XHoB7Sh6UaUZqR7XmDuc8UAwlox2F1KFjRBqbQIJtz/OtC60j/rLWH 83zJgcFrnzRVvkYIN5i8q1AXmMxoCcAzCJckeiUSwDQJmwyZNiUCttiivrwCSLI1W1+iupz1k 9xzikqhDwL04pnv3qmCtixZBCRec2TwrnCnSDF1Lj/ebkiJRZ9QU5qu/+oabyu1LDxDzBBSAJ iok2JZQHj9waQw= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Peter Dyballa writes: > But OK, maybe I have to learn this different behaviour=E2=80=A6 What exactly do you consider a problem/bug? Do I understand correctly: you expect that C-x o deactivates the mark, but it doesn't? Or is there something more in the behavior of your recipe that you consider a problem? Michael. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:03:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52435: 29.0.50; C-y seems to contain an old contents Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52435 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 52435@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52435-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52435.163938646228829 (code B ref 52435); Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:08:01 +0000 Received: (at 52435) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2021 09:07:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54099 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mwhJ8-0007Uv-D7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2021 04:07:42 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([217.72.192.78]:34077) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mwhJ3-0007Uf-VC for 52435@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2021 04:07:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1639386451; bh=HBcNo+C4NQD6rxuSz6bqHZ7Hvrt12u0I5txb90pg33Y=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=F9zq7pqfPuFc1IqDC9kFa7fFKeWDzBNoitIDF4L19Wumyzx1lVdJGBvXzIP8MIgMO He5WWC6ATUyLQQ4Drx4zhrhnDgOl9NZQ/CDxnGZeh9pX7+ZeJtqzQiPQwRTaPcsJvF ZK4Puy0ViCcxNj0J4u1jyCQapuSqBUGofVOUDNXI= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from smtpclient.apple ([176.199.137.124]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb106 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Ma0Tu-1n074Z38tQ-00W8LR; Mon, 13 Dec 2021 10:07:31 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.20.0.1.32\)) From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: <87fsqxjkx5.fsf@web.de> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 10:07:30 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0B5129BE-27A6-460A-ABE7-85A3504C55DE@Web.DE> References: <46037FBE-8DAB-4913-850C-96F4F78622E2@Web.DE> <877dcafk78.fsf@gnus.org> <8A9C7C2F-642A-454D-A99B-0945A1E2D5F7@Web.DE> <87fsqxjkx5.fsf@web.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.20.0.1.32) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:pWVh3HBD8E2L7sBwrXTI/06KCS1O3SVi2mYVoY6gfHs66KVSAju 774pdnLQIy+01pX3lzJbBzyzDlan4ieujDJzRr2pXeO1a5IIiDZ7vMEypZNllq8/HOvpueo bQNgMwKsbn2CTulHpUpXmej94NDYCrP55nY3Cweh2vvC6521vEcSSQvyiYLuJh5mcbqf64t j1WokIR8m2j0P8pgcjr0w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:2O0meuqSe9c=:DhFOdKGuT71Nlefcj+SNf5 L2mwK64qOe2lzoAa5oTrcmZdDmfC2fqWvWs9GKF5BbDw6ySU5PIOt7KVHaKpGsjj3UbEcnh6W aJ0z+gUcartzncS7nGmRBix+owGFxCgtu0kAgcIk690O8Y7UJhN1El4Bih/+Qr/KgSutcDTka z6U/s/Z4iJOkE6LxAzrFOi74auHXNUCSvS5Yim3FI2KhO8hLE9GBZjDeNpK3AJHC1Wa9welGB y+XgaKkjzMH2yNEYHPhcrKyT/FNv3QZezuQELzsmBlyUmm8J7pdY0YtpqUR4ze6YwsuBGxeT+ BzAvOoZhStXtPR8CqGQsMv1ig55GNXABd9VmliDF68OTK8NHy3sANGgxVNqnxhef+OgxllvZT su1GzXk7IAcDVqUxv769tOUSrMXqcLr3o3QTFAc8GHH5/LDv46+LLe4m7APT0JnreMbpi1SGr 788u1XY3WvHesQoCqNT1LCr13ThaevHe28WVBLo4kr9UGLy6EvvQIC/fMKxTiPAhr96t5j51C nsP+BAeleEjXbH1vCVBzNs92U2f/5RbYejwBZ8ofpqzpW9TiI0Rn3/iLVRCGxob9M0CP2XdNV nw6k30P6+h1BV0HE8RazxIj9hqmvQMfW9OHhzrd/RrwuXr8P9VM5QHOFT3NKZ9Qmh1TNqcgYH sE0N/H3EUn06E9cgkfVyIqLpsFW8dMWfMDvvalT4oGVe8SvXANDknWcQ/d8fZb2rhUHxpC+ZW NgZGc4IGQZofJkTOUUt15jNUBxn3jEvkXnUeF9O11bHvNj4gzo7/T85/ogE5cvaT4Mn8KttVT LXap9xWvc70VNKSramOhTO4qaZTl+reSn5n4dJ2nuQ8vXEaG7EtQvx2Lp7C4VjR8OR4WYf4BV mAkSnC3BZhoA/i/cQBGxKYEO1ggapQE33jTmaw+Cd61I0sPcOL8/LfFefSS7Sx91gVTfU55iI PUAtQAlKI+QmihpzSFo8s5QJUOHBMKSF9NIJj0ux62difth6qIc/bJaFQjvVnv7eyRwgI0df7 vJzRGV0vOe097t5xUKa5fGEB4ZN/hpbD+2RtCE7hAm3RawMhbVNo1XPErB+6gFI/isWc6L1pa OLwjQeOyEhjw+0= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Am 13.12.2021 um 03:30 schrieb Michael Heerdegen = : >=20 > What exactly do you consider a problem/bug? > Do I understand correctly: you expect that C-x o deactivates the mark, > but it doesn't? It's exactly this for me surprising behaviour. -- Mit friedvollen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen Pete =C3=9Cblicherweise begehen Menschen beim Entwerfen vollkommen = narrensicherer Dinge gerne den Fehler, das Genie des Volltrottels zu = untersch=C3=A4tzen. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:03:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52435: 29.0.50; C-y seems to contain an old contents Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 08:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52435 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Peter Dyballa Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 52435@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52435-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52435.16394717487091 (code B ref 52435); Tue, 14 Dec 2021 08:50:01 +0000 Received: (at 52435) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2021 08:49:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57550 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mx3Uh-0001qJ-Rf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 03:49:07 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([217.72.192.78]:52611) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mx3Uf-0001pp-Qw for 52435@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 03:49:06 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1639471739; bh=CLGhe753yAKCfxt+jMjwjsI2lOkObyvm5xwCTktHE0I=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=sPvDaFTQtz/naO0KhjITLtzsArNpDPhC+Nd0BmD3EMdHCmsa/qSTZdXIXvQWcz+o4 znij43WwNt61q1gP356JY1MJLKVD81Br3h8pb7nRpaab+Sq0w9upkdghx3U8M5io1t ib847GZADb+luPKB+u/OScTmx6VSOG9xXww7UWXI= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([92.208.225.87]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb106 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N5CQh-1mY8mE1Z9p-0113M6; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 09:48:59 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen References: <46037FBE-8DAB-4913-850C-96F4F78622E2@Web.DE> <877dcafk78.fsf@gnus.org> <8A9C7C2F-642A-454D-A99B-0945A1E2D5F7@Web.DE> <87fsqxjkx5.fsf@web.de> <0B5129BE-27A6-460A-ABE7-85A3504C55DE@Web.DE> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 09:48:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: <0B5129BE-27A6-460A-ABE7-85A3504C55DE@Web.DE> (Peter Dyballa's message of "Mon, 13 Dec 2021 10:07:30 +0100") Message-ID: <87tufb1shx.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:s+DKGT+xTI0tnDpZ3gSi+mjKaYB6eODqvTmNjx2x5haZ3In2/Fp m1TGwBVihXXNy6NVAFFtzJK2BTnxvDcRfz86rrTwLKDPK5SJaEa8Az7PkJ03nqGxEvFxchQ YX9IJ0tewDuEnSP0nNZaWKYQKlGc06qGA06rxep9eNCOj8I7KvmRkuS+6XE/SEacn2JjUtC F1XMt+Im2arTWRCrSe/5Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:n69x8Kx7JbA=:VjMrAMnbDi1UFE7Ep06RsC DCfnB8bvknI5P1+52Ej1tahRUTuhB1Qz7VDXFSbHPntRfCtK/2bzwle10TK8guudV7BoJJTr6 xudc1pFCG9homulMPkZJdkddfJ1LRCSwW+XtgUejrbjoUFkRkx0JlhHMGTOBkOKfwlEJfwwOr ODXQPW49KLM6hC4hNShNE12TFsaKv+fmcJeFzPa1cJqSmKDQOWG35MGHxK/muHPK/3O4qbegn C4knX1pHoRJmJuAHM6vLC7b6wD7GmmmGwir1ew3CLi+DhIJxjvskDCOzryDfSJNHJT/6KzpKe SVMqZyJ2L5ckQuLwsVyf6KRqC4N6+omFlTBKeg7kGF6mirUUe8qSKOxMi+BHPZ/miGRnFSO8w K8uffQSIEoaiAvJ8uy1utdP+EJ9oEl7D6++Xp1bIaaAOU8n87Og/1mVrttQdh6IN5climEMJd 0yBLkEEZcHr7ippoTaeOYSgW0mAAf6sytWqMU65wuMMAUIPETNqQQFb5TZETihPdSHduJ+3Y1 nA5xBpKmGBtHShF9yFUmpgHWUxBtzWjGYb8OWLxMxF3uSprqUT8yFjuVCAH3f/Ss42KN17N4d M3YPvr79UVm7S7ou8jHfsKotfBVmP1hF6KiIfEc1gSshFUXdGZG7LFccuc7SIrabXrHHmht4k sNZLqWDy4ZN3NWvzI8fuoPfbx7wKgp5USBDwfNt/kdzXXanE6aDrxRkzHS3ooy8mFOBxC6kVJ diliwOL9AJwkCYkSZyYwQ1VekdCPTbZFi2wyUz9HdEa5c9Uj/T+8tKqRV6z0A/B2RWOzfmG5o u84KTCaQxBDmTxsMzecwxBeIIUTIxoakoPj/T/L+6BPaiU5VirASrA3ZeQJhPUwxYAzi/xByp 3f/nlZdjrCmvjVImjQqVuJQw9vAy3QHxNAaBQQzIvoo/iXMRn0eaWFV+UrKGuOHfYlBngh+5+ ze8jC0+Nf0GbJPyGLDsHDfIYuAkRFenNta0eCoGNPVzDtmvzxWJ8/g8g/7itfdJHladg61k+Q WnEry7J1KZlYumv8UfW/YNd0YRDK+8nttpu18MnMXS7VBpA06oOY4Uv7Y99mwIgT3uEIlPc1X FflpvIMHVsq2kY= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Peter Dyballa writes: > > Do I understand correctly: you expect that C-x o deactivates the mark, > > but it doesn't? > > It's exactly this for me surprising behaviour. And you are sure that this was different in older emacs versions, and not just something in your config? If you are, do we know when this changed? Micheal. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:03:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52435: 29.0.50; C-y seems to contain an old contents Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 09:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52435 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 52435@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52435-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52435.163947432610890 (code B ref 52435); Tue, 14 Dec 2021 09:33:01 +0000 Received: (at 52435) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2021 09:32:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57587 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mx4AH-0002pZ-O1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 04:32:05 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:38543) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mx4AF-0002p5-U1 for 52435@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 04:32:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1639474317; bh=7KXVnWU83mMo1O8ZQKLrjx20UaVl8ExxUt+dOCROhqk=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=c+UN/E9NvsZ1dwQCDUf+tA/TEIPkOgvmGV/frSkPW2xir0ZOQLtZAXXQVW0XLil99 3ClBRKKG1Pw5423pcssIPHzUEn3b0pIECfTOawME4n5HR/9DbDv4372GsY84PbHuKX 6/1wpjhbTfPPfk25lJSnnGM/34FFLfUoHNBZzUgg= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from smtpclient.apple ([176.199.137.124]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb106 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M2Phc-1mwWSh0VIs-0041cd; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:31:57 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.20.0.1.32\)) From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: <87tufb1shx.fsf@web.de> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:31:56 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <46037FBE-8DAB-4913-850C-96F4F78622E2@Web.DE> <877dcafk78.fsf@gnus.org> <8A9C7C2F-642A-454D-A99B-0945A1E2D5F7@Web.DE> <87fsqxjkx5.fsf@web.de> <0B5129BE-27A6-460A-ABE7-85A3504C55DE@Web.DE> <87tufb1shx.fsf@web.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.20.0.1.32) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:dMRkwm97xQL/5jA7TRqsvGblJi7fBSmqVw9yBCR2GKMi7bVYYAd nZUcKAM5UmOQFIBMIzvh/nz3Y/Mzz45eFt6XfPeYYJlWhBsyt9ZcgOP9knyFFOPCmtyJeaV c/rz3ShLAXPBL7AlIHFM9ZpqbrbD389LCuzBseex8EHvTO1rP5uF1FEKc3BirQh5FIqEyRV ItRD0BF+i9f8jnc59JmrA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:0+RQjWT9+C4=:vNBvM4UuvAAtIosJsRZaEf W714016t+B+Y2VP/PGzo0A6I9dbMQeBjSZ3bJJ45q5IoWwfhdUoLMTN91Vwm3rnvu4JlLi2hQ ax6OOR3oajhe+DmzwDy8my51gt+iH6ugzIut9KFnkZF9HW0j8psbETjzB3L4DaXgpzXkSkeVO vMce7NYGkOD8K7ukIOjYwLRF7z1b/BPYCQoMduOLykHFaLbtcZoQFVDzMKxegxbZ5EpR7q1XV bDAgX9jJ9rZaGs79F695bHWN/14bygem1RI/eN7pXKqlovWmeS/7ay2+rPMFPxeq3VYJWh3o3 /RlWTfnX5r+LOsQDsziYnUgVPhC+6VTr6K5MPYse8MsnyZkdVmrCYq+5QY0ENd5KhDbQ5aFjt Nj5kQ3h1y99vrMdFyt+bIqVIO+YBFejh+Vstm185YglM0WYfH3qO87Eqq7gRZVAYFG7fCMCZL oRvHwNmN5ufEF2uUDfBvcJKerq2gaXkQG/TlZHiNJKCEGhQ3FcMnK83VxrOGiuqxN05j99BFe NCeyEnNDEQp0kfRHYXGF91fLFtJw6X23jgxIi4eLA5RmJonxTs93ij6X4tCucVwdaJPX94dnx feBLtw1JHv2u8qZOKu++2DgSQ2mGk9hck8WwbeIAXmrsSWaFqM/GFeBAJ1osQZ27SFHw1/7nR PaCRrQPtJAtDTK6bYoX/09p3F0gIrIBvxUTO490/kVXsMmh0tMjpf1NeuvQUdrxwk7MRrr8qI lqJHtJWsGGW4IDnZGbR+FihfLgrou5mPEXtJ6Q52Bkr6M7Ooec8YUOZkeOxFQwpT8CrMcrkur KZtWkPa3sbz/GXEt/4we3CGGzOQh1pvJ8RrLZ1llXy+bfpXT+hf61hqYywx16j4tpQjJmz2PF Dn2F+BptZyj73RUWiS3tAoxsSZEqKg3AEv3fms/DaLrS32jBbD2EzSwci776tQSs14lg7629J ktfqqRpM45u/bg6MuIBrmD4CqT95vf6LYOhSdtL3foHdPlTHdwMWPgDXjh7j0KiU9+Byo/2AQ T0fUap6gMzAiTWiyXUFu/sVt5inJcxPsgqjm07cANDRVLd4vAcZHxeuDsEuAfl98idLYJ3qyz tsMXQ1NnoV+Ubc= X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > Am 14.12.2021 um 09:48 schrieb Michael Heerdegen = : >=20 > Peter Dyballa writes: >=20 >>> Do I understand correctly: you expect that C-x o deactivates the = mark, >>> but it doesn't? >>=20 >> It's exactly this for me surprising behaviour. >=20 > And you are sure that this was different in older emacs versions, and > not just something in your config? If you are, do we know when this > changed? No, I am not sure. IMO the documentation states that the mark will be = cleared when I leave the buffer. (Or use M-< or M->.) My usual behaviour is that I mark a region in *shell* buffer and apply = shell-command-on-region. Then I move into another buffer in the same = frame, mostly *compilation*. I perform a few edits on *Shell Command = Output*, kill the remaining line and the buffer, and am back in = *compilation* where I can use the edited output from *Shell Command = Output*. Because a compilation was going on, I chose to use *shell* = buffer to change from it to *Shell Command Output* and fell back to it. = The region was still marked and so the contents of last kill-line in = *Shell Command Output* was overwritten with the contents of the marked = region. After C-y, seeing the wrong contents, I could Esc-y to bring = back the killed line. So GNU Emacs worked transparently, only I was = surprised about the unexpected contents. I don't think that I have a particular configuration, except = (transient-mark-mode t). As I wrote on Sunday, a few older versions of = GNU Emacs show the same behaviour. On a decades old PowerBook I could = check the behaviour of much older Emacsen and report here. (There I too = work with MacPorts to keep some utilities and OpenSSL up-to-date and = have to use the described procedure much more often, since some open = software ports do not support the old OS and hardware and have to be = excluded from upgrading at least initially.) If you can give me some = variable names I can check whether I reset the original setting. One fact should be stated: using a mouse click to change into another = buffer clears the mark. -- Mit friedvollen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen Pete Math illiteracy affects 7 out of every 5 Americans. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:03:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52435: 29.0.50; C-y seems to contain an old contents Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52435 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Peter Dyballa Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 52435@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52435-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52435.163947958018943 (code B ref 52435); Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 52435) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2021 10:59:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57654 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mx5X2-0004vT-Ds for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 05:59:40 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([217.72.192.78]:38019) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mx5X1-0004vG-4f for 52435@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 05:59:39 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1639479572; bh=AEwNfQ976BflKSN0CvX/45eLMaRpJ3Xu50YZJzMEdBM=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=DY6zqJILlK8mhDX0Jv6EXTYFp/UlrPMaoV8uDNxOiCw7gpcS/RCK+8W2o9Q3Qro3G QcEJSdE1SaBznlOG747bIUbpc0R6bg39DhZva8d1g1RrGnKsEdV1+pYGsIQMM06e9i 3cSASlzqDKW8UIIqKStdeDn+YQCXxL4Axwbf5MS8= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([92.208.225.87]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb106 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mvslx-1mhUO31Cdj-00sq2h; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:59:32 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen References: <46037FBE-8DAB-4913-850C-96F4F78622E2@Web.DE> <877dcafk78.fsf@gnus.org> <8A9C7C2F-642A-454D-A99B-0945A1E2D5F7@Web.DE> <87fsqxjkx5.fsf@web.de> <0B5129BE-27A6-460A-ABE7-85A3504C55DE@Web.DE> <87tufb1shx.fsf@web.de> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:59:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Peter Dyballa's message of "Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:31:56 +0100") Message-ID: <87lf0n1mgc.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:HtqwoA3m88teodi4pJMSPNB0xvzir44GaJ+SJ3vqDJtOmiAGDig bamPQQvjOe5wXKEEkFCfkI7yuQB6ImXKgd8eR/tomAuZgZGbos26AahrFPpA5xoMZgwdLq8 hGyCBrqs32wwJV2i7UYHR1U27lrjX3N1XCLJjPgmRdQW/PV96uifcUAEN75bWjkCwthAYz5 +XuLmHV7x7PxohBC6vWVw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:7ScX0YSJNRw=:q3rDLqAc95BKSEli604gfM 1xqZ4xqbAtlI947LaNQhNw0RCQS0ypKHCLMlxtqrK9d96uGy1J2EogQO50n+6+BMSmFjk8/jv LVob0uSZh/nhW92u8sjvr3O/nC/7+cxGSrPJRRCPo5O9pSTFQgMGrcy7JJsKsJX+E76Ur/baK gKhWPK4qnk1Og32iLpQE6oFK+N0Z7NRn6F9EB1iY+eH/ci2gD6ALdcxu3KIkyG0AS6t7fgXOV wRwCc/HoaKyjUMaseHojkEOcLwusZPV3n98erQBGrnO2EC3ir+UDahM9vRScKYlMzADY+yyd8 hz+5ppzx0MwbkdCgWVeEumGk2rk/5CDhnrB8HGZ0q2ApRGa19DXe3/6WXFM+OezKKUYLlDoVC 3tFhS00e7Tg/ehGFeIjE38UKNoaPzgUmAp3qDwOmTmHzD35IPc/Bqr4dOh1ytU77pN+ofU+xv Tf0WDDkJk02c40b2chYniG1EVaoJZR7X0CP1YPkbHPNtKF0IhMo3zCdbUkdd9GxWvbO8lOxRh 0ZqV0FAFF2ShcpX2UwBP062zYEa2FT9/OB+QSZyh4D5yLHtKGw7WfOiHOVjgsReHWE+fReTPK QaCTJkdTf32eo4nhB7Yi67ntQO77HRlXSUpE0hMklasnVV2idko9XzE9GgzQaEeM7KsHe88di 8xfI8ANKx6pUIt1xhnCYhJMjdIOUlBR8j/EcOkxP0n+ny1ME7qjMoHEcTOtiMiPdbJ47S+TF2 spJWgZAz7TMevTp6DP+Zs5+LDtyoFCNUyXlf7wOfpN7lP/B713hXux12YRTcIsiMdaJg5JBRN hQeDgUqYhfK/z23GDeSnFwz9LNZy4sp6c3WWx0s44zqws1R8SXPXIK7qAc5O0UcVqa5qR7x54 j0ePPCjapUK4U0+ICEetuqYfHRYuEIXVfUhB4V5xWeuFljFwBZOIdeHZiaY5ELsYjtUPn+qnk kGGnyr5rWHMrt6+aMtkwdyA4xpHnBjKrEHZmbOb1LNrX408oWLjC8wwE2NKtZEsn4m/24D9GX WDKHDh0TMKUv4/I6byf49fylfd2KmpJ/D/Kj6RVstU0iQvEZyLschK7TSf1GOd+l/QacYkzLO aD1lAwB+RdyUY4= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Peter Dyballa writes: You wrote in an older message: > The documentation in GNU Emacs 26.1 seems to be clearer: > The mark is "deactivated" by changing the buffer, > and after certain other operations that set the mark but whose > main purpose is something else--for example, incremental search, > M-<, and M->. > And it states that the region is cleared when changing to another > buffer. I'm not sure if "changing the buffer" means "modifying the buffer" instead of "changing to another buffer". > I don't think that I have a particular configuration, except > (transient-mark-mode t). As I wrote on Sunday, a few older versions of > GNU Emacs show the same behaviour. On a decades old PowerBook I could > check the behaviour of much older Emacsen and report here. That would be interesting. > If you can give me some variable names I can check whether I reset the > original setting. What kind of variables do you mean? IIUC the behavior is not really depending on options. It's an implicit thing: commands set the variable `deactivate-mark', and the command loop checks this variable at the end of the execution of any command, and when it's non-nil it deactivates the mark. > One fact should be stated: using a mouse click to change into another > buffer clears the mark. This is done explicitly in `mouse-drag-track'. Dunno if it's intentional in this case. Michael. 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It means the latter. I probably should be using the term "visiting"=E2=80=A6= -- Mit friedvollen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen Pete Know thyself. Need help, call GOOGLE. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:03:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52435: 29.0.50; C-y seems to contain an old contents Resent-From: Phil Sainty Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 12:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52435 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Peter Dyballa Cc: Michael Heerdegen , Lars Ingebrigtsen , 52435@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52435-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52435.163948402126393 (code B ref 52435); Tue, 14 Dec 2021 12:14:02 +0000 Received: (at 52435) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2021 12:13:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57764 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mx6ge-0006rd-To for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 07:13:41 -0500 Received: from smtp-2.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.43]:59695) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mx6gc-0006rT-P9 for 52435@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 07:13:39 -0500 Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=64886 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-2.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mx6gW-0000iK-KB; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 01:13:32 +1300 Received: from ip-14-137-22-223.kinect.net.nz ([14.137.22.223]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Wed, 15 Dec 2021 01:13:32 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 01:13:32 +1300 From: Phil Sainty In-Reply-To: References: <46037FBE-8DAB-4913-850C-96F4F78622E2@Web.DE> <877dcafk78.fsf@gnus.org> <8A9C7C2F-642A-454D-A99B-0945A1E2D5F7@Web.DE> <87fsqxjkx5.fsf@web.de> <0B5129BE-27A6-460A-ABE7-85A3504C55DE@Web.DE> <87tufb1shx.fsf@web.de> <87lf0n1mgc.fsf@web.de> Message-ID: <140e60bc2302f9e99c8a471509cfdc15@webmail.orcon.net.nz> X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz User-Agent: Orcon Webmail X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > > Do I understand correctly: you expect that C-x o deactivates > > the mark, but it doesn't? > > It's exactly this for me surprising behaviour. Note that "C-x o" selects a window. The value of `current-buffer' may (or may not) change as a result of selecting a window, but the `other-window' command will not cause changes to any of the buffers themselves. > The documentation in GNU Emacs 29.0.50 has become vague I think it's become clearer by using the phrase "change the text in the buffer" rather than the earlier phrase "changing the buffer" -- which I expect meant exactly the same thing, but which could be misinterpreted in the above manner. -Phil From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:03:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52435: 29.0.50; C-y seems to contain an old contents Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 14:03:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52435 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 52435@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52435-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52435.163949054512455 (code B ref 52435); Tue, 14 Dec 2021 14:03:01 +0000 Received: (at 52435) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2021 14:02:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57859 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mx8Ns-0003Eo-RZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 09:02:25 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:52099) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mx8Nr-0003EY-3d for 52435@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 09:02:23 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1639490536; bh=9fG4NktWi3fmkOkWIMoQGbcoyC7+M4IJlFO7o6CsdKo=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:In-Reply-To:References:Cc:From:Subject:Date:To; b=FTpJRZDpTszInzNhCir2/GVHKrC3b7J2j/KuMR2DW7+2GSkzbrB/tpQb1ACmj3GKD +sZWiKBZGAPhXtLU+IQHfRuqIdplVJux/cKM8U/ISa6dzMuIu4TXbj050nfmC/m1Dm NaPzOjCQaF6rtTcT9dspxO41xLC1h1vQSzU8M3H4= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from [192.168.178.4] ([176.199.137.124]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb105 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MK52q-1nEGKE255K-00Lqbn; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:02:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87lf0n1mgc.fsf@web.de> References: <46037FBE-8DAB-4913-850C-96F4F78622E2@Web.DE> <877dcafk78.fsf@gnus.org> <8A9C7C2F-642A-454D-A99B-0945A1E2D5F7@Web.DE> <87fsqxjkx5.fsf@web.de> <0B5129BE-27A6-460A-ABE7-85A3504C55DE@Web.DE> <87tufb1shx.fsf@web.de> <87lf0n1mgc.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <191872C2-64C4-4973-9ED1-D9A5F454D361@Web.DE> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Peter Dyballa Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:02:07 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Hy2rmeO0MV01BWKFxcygEUL3o1gt0/BqipJewQ1YYJNdyfuPSFV XCHQsNHf2Qi1IUr9e7MOya+BhqJhTJMFHHtcvAou0fx+fQ2QL0WtPXDOzok8FGFWWyBkdK/ rHTSkIAqx8hSdz6hv/6b2pZZ+Ceisi7eTbbDgAdfN2zJZG68cGyF7ZviHlA+mzx3wP4ih4h g8OEnVtDpdYbxaVfvKtmQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:sAtQLjSM1Ds=:xGH95ZO3p0Fs6FfoBZ/nJ+ XxetpbsAnt1hirD9ggMIGnUgrC1bWtqWrKMEJc6oQDTfOaeBLnH6bbh5+AY7l9fkGma9I5bP8 9WpbdIuLm4GIgln94i51vT07iNyYHmxwJz2hOKnAn8OYnyqS7eW9ihSaD2KnsLW27cZztc+iG MjytFyFhvWasTSGImRvfGkRK+713jQLP78sVp9rugFYPlFHhVY1Mawv6a0/5cCMNMtpogZig/ hN9KRQbhLwyiFBeUzskVcBsbSk668cLKNBX+m7SYzfmRtzo31vI89+Jzop9UcVODXtJBMUExG wDKd94IE1ucbsqwLQdpyHP6Pz7LeFFkALnzETcuh7qWV5IzZf2qp1FC5o0zVgOmaDzT/7ASBV J/DhebJI+VqSiVPkW/F+kops4pEIM5HGyRWx5XYnJX/7taWAgICDI8CkqvDDtHgcf5iBn9F8t wAWReAW7uEurBqve+/8GhwPiUgERqQAW0i+d79fQxTEjBK23kLoFFIza91QGtGl/RqMEfRLTC KoQBTqMbY3p41Q5cAi7yZnn2CG09L5c0U++3VFuDQjVdZGRWzLxBEMQ0izCEJEPu97MmSupkS F7D6cHjLXMd9MI68DF1mJvg8oPTyooBJ6YSXknPaQmJnUFFcg4pgupyTiUjRZSTkR+c4dpwF/ RDyoAXWFXkkjbKwzUqZMUSxeEuSGf/HXo/lg+Gh3Pw7zevrcebGi2WaFuDshrxDc+kvboHqNE cIAA1eLGwhqHjqN93bs3TPdWPXgQ3wmmA0hEH6s8BrUpe2FkeDVWByKTnAlIQRRDsqqSB+aDP shevurUNmTjmMb9NTZb8871GdMBXZRM2xQ17nFJLq32DfcMFe7Bt9ElEnXvY4kyGwUko2UC4S s/qgxhaMW+/ZbPOAqiFvEcp83Ad8n7WnwU33oe5smYrNXRrrrWiclRpog9AdJvqsT7sHyTKvh Ol33zF0mGs7Um035I+8ykdS43KIv9C6cnuHC88wEB7u3g8tN7ocXb/OXr4fmcWwwCK+plXcAx BkRT+q/Jru6nc02zXX/kKmXqevtmG35EJgDxZZEOR1rYQrNfmU8fajq9AYbwfGqrgjUn7zIEB FrUBmkg7HuLB1Q= X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am 14.12.2021 um 11:59 schrieb Michael Heerdegen: >> I don't think that I have a particular configuration, except >> (transient-mark-mode t). As I wrote on Sunday, a few older =20 >> versions of >> GNU Emacs show the same behaviour. On a decades old PowerBook I could >> check the behaviour of much older Emacsen and report here. > > That would be interesting. When launched normally or launched with just -Q this version does it =20 right, it clears the marked region when I visit the other buffer, =20 *Shell Command Output*, which opened in the lower half of *shell* =20 buffer =96 actually the mark was cleared as soon as the shell command =20= had completed and the buffer was split: In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (powerpc-apple-darwin8.11.0, X toolkit, = Xaw3d =20 scroll bars) of 2019-11-27 on tiger Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version =20 11.0.12009000 Configured using: `configure --without-pop --without-sound --without-gpm = --without-dbus --without-gconf --without-gsettings --without-selinux = --without-xim --without-ns --without-mac --with-x --with-x-toolkit=3Dathena --disable-acl --disable-ns-self-contained = --x-libraries=3D/opt/local/lib --x-includes=3D/opt/local/include '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar24:/Library/Application Support/Emacs' =20= 'CFLAGS=3D-H -pipe -fPIC -fno-common -Os -fobjc-exceptions -fexceptions = -maltivec -faltivec -mabi=3Daltivec -mcpu=3D7450 -mtune=3D7450' 'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-bind_at_load -Wl,-t' PKG_CONFIG_PATH=3D/opt/local/lib/pkgconfig:/opt/local/share/=20 pkgconfig:/usr/X11/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/X11/share/pkgconfig:/usr/lib/=20 pkgconfig' =09 Important settings: value of $LC_CTYPE: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix =09 Major mode: Shell =09 Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t =09 Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h = C-a. Mark set Making completion list... You can run the command `shell-command-on-region' with M-| Quit Mark set Replaced 13 occurrences Mark set [2 times] No docstring slot for help-mode-setup No docstring slot for help-mode-finish =09 Load-path shadows: None found. =09 Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec = rfc822 =20 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 = mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util help-fns mail-prsvr mail-utils help-mode easymenu shell = pcomplete =20 comint ansi-color ring time-date tooltip electric uniquify ediff-hook = vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image = regexp-=20 opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode prog-mode register = page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock = font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang = misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew = greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer = nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties = overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote gfilenotify dynamic-setting font-render-setting x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process = emacs) This elder version shows a different behaviour, keeping the region =20 high-lighted but clearing it lately when I finally type C-y after =20 returning to *shell* buffer and pressing Esc-> so that it inserts the =20= killed line from *Shell Command Output* at the propmt: In GNU Emacs 23.4.1 (powerpc-apple-darwin8.11.0, GTK+ Version = 2.18.9) of 2012-11-23 on Latsche.local Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version =20 11.0.12009000 configured using `configure '--without-pop' '--without-sound' = '--=20 without-gpm' '--without-dbus' '--without-xim' '--with-x' '--disable-=20 ns-self-contained' '--x-libraries=3D/usr/X11R6/lib' '--x-includes=3D/usr/=20= X11R6/include' '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/=20= Emacs/calendar23:/Library/Application Support/Emacs' 'CFLAGS=3D-g -=20 ggdb3 -H -pipe -fPIC -fno-common -Os -mcpu=3D7450 -mtune=3D7450 = -maltivec =20 -faltivec -mabi=3Daltivec -malign-natural' 'CC=3Dgcc-apple-4.2' = 'CXX=3Dg++-=20 apple-4.2' 'CPPFLAGS=3D-I/sw/include' 'LDFLAGS=3D-L/sw/lib -v -Wl,-v = -Wl,-=20 bind_at_load -Wl,-t' 'PKG_CONFIG_PATH=3D/sw/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/share/=20 pkgconfig:/usr/X11/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pkgconfig'' =09 Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t =09 Major mode: Shell =09 Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t =09 Recent input: M-x s h e l l l C-a C-SPC M-x s h e l l - c o m m - o n a w k SPC ' { p r i n t SPC $ N F } ' C-x o M-x r e p l s t r C-q C-j SPC C-g M-x r e p l s t r C-q C-j SPC C-a C-k C-x 0 > C-y -- Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen Pete =3D=3D=3D -Q =3D=3D<__/% >> ________(_)____@_____________________________ From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:03:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52435: 29.0.50; C-y seems to contain an old contents Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 04:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52435 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Peter Dyballa Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 52435@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52435-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52435.163954221622821 (code B ref 52435); Wed, 15 Dec 2021 04:24:02 +0000 Received: (at 52435) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2021 04:23:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59992 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mxLpI-0005w0-MJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 23:23:36 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:41273) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mxLpH-0005vo-5l for 52435@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 23:23:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1639542208; bh=KZTLJrS2Dxg8raE/7J0V9YxgKc2amDejNRmNeQzGUyc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=XzvIWO818uG6ITQahVOtmaCfQjv9LMemYtz9qb9820j8EvpqcrZwKrL2qRmo1sUFA X5nOPIcIvQmCSX0xXpCNeHzMTlRBUIn0qBtuEaBkuIlGz66rYrjClR4TMSt5Wx5Q1d 0zJv2hFcwS361mxCjxbAeQerobaELHNaRZEKlVFc= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([92.208.225.87]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb005 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MqIFD-1mBLlr2hTH-00n5xL; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 05:23:28 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen References: <46037FBE-8DAB-4913-850C-96F4F78622E2@Web.DE> <877dcafk78.fsf@gnus.org> <8A9C7C2F-642A-454D-A99B-0945A1E2D5F7@Web.DE> <87fsqxjkx5.fsf@web.de> <0B5129BE-27A6-460A-ABE7-85A3504C55DE@Web.DE> <87tufb1shx.fsf@web.de> <87lf0n1mgc.fsf@web.de> <191872C2-64C4-4973-9ED1-D9A5F454D361@Web.DE> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 05:23:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: <191872C2-64C4-4973-9ED1-D9A5F454D361@Web.DE> (Peter Dyballa's message of "Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:02:07 +0100") Message-ID: <874k7a8pj4.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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I know too little about this to judge which behavior is expected and correct and would like to leave the decision to other more knowledgeable people. Friedvolle Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe zur=C3=BCck! Michael. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:03:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#52435: 29.0.50; C-y seems to contain an old contents Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 09:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52435 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: Peter Dyballa , 52435@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 52435-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52435.16421528974242 (code B ref 52435); Fri, 14 Jan 2022 09:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 52435) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2022 09:34:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35642 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8Iz3-00016L-9X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 04:34:57 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:35688) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n8Iz2-000166-DT for 52435@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 04:34:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=b0D7H7WdjhGAT+OKSMyyHa2hIG/Z6r4Vh4J08VUNwB4=; b=gn20UFWHonDm8e2MrBxq04mNUX UIJpyNhWMDcvRBBBvWpYgcxKaXnrEPtAD7pB11V17sJ1OjYzIeq7mef/ZY7eNdUGX+S0QAyjwyDv9 ZUd066ArYu4pyqqnFUw3NDvoS6R+nSHTb0nyztTYyoWzATklf0Yo+7nAPOH/oAlMCqFY=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n8Iyt-0002Ca-FN; Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:34:49 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <46037FBE-8DAB-4913-850C-96F4F78622E2@Web.DE> <877dcafk78.fsf@gnus.org> <8A9C7C2F-642A-454D-A99B-0945A1E2D5F7@Web.DE> <87fsqxjkx5.fsf@web.de> <0B5129BE-27A6-460A-ABE7-85A3504C55DE@Web.DE> <87tufb1shx.fsf@web.de> <87lf0n1mgc.fsf@web.de> <191872C2-64C4-4973-9ED1-D9A5F454D361@Web.DE> <874k7a8pj4.fsf@web.de> X-Now-Playing: The Raincoats's _Extended Play_: "Shouting Out Loud" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:34:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <874k7a8pj4.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Wed, 15 Dec 2021 05:23:27 +0100") Message-ID: <87r19aoe2x.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Michael Heerdegen writes: > I know too little about this to judge which behavior is expected and > correct and would like to leave the decision to other more knowledgeable > people. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Michael Heerdegen writes: > I know too little about this to judge which behavior is expected and > correct and would like to leave the decision to other more knowledgeable > people. If I understand correctly, the issue is whether `C-x o' should deactivate the mark? It seems like it did this in the olden times, but it doesn't do this now? I think the current behaviour makes sense, so I'd rather not change it back -- I can't recall seeing any other complaints about this, and Emacs has worked this way for at least some years now. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: close 52435 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) close 52435 quit