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It was added in this commit and hasn't seen much use since, AFAICT: commit a2603048ce283d22b37b35c9098d4583db244073 Author: Glenn Morris Date: Tue Aug 14 07:41:59 2007 +0000 (bad-packages-alist): New constant. (bad-package-check): New function. Together, these two add elements to `after-load-alist' to check for problematic external packages. The idea is to give warnings for incompatible external packages, but this should be rather unusual these days, as most packages will be installed with package.el and any incompatibilities are better handled in that context. Furthermore, it seems to currently just warn about really ancient versions of semantic and cua-mode. IOW, not a bad idea at the time, but the passing of time has meant that it's hard to see the relevance of the feature. --000000000000b9b04405d28ef041 Content-Type: text/x-diff; charset="US-ASCII"; name="0001-Remove-bad-packages-alist.patch" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0001-Remove-bad-packages-alist.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: e8b494335d188ca_0.1 RnJvbSBlZDFlMDYxOTYxY2ZjM2ViYTdkNjkyZjkzZTVmYmI3MGU3ZGY0NzYwIE1vbiBTZXAgMTcg MDA6MDA6MDAgMjAwMQpGcm9tOiBTdGVmYW4gS2FuZ2FzIDxzdGVmYW5AbWFyeGlzdC5zZT4KRGF0 ZTogVHVlLCA3IERlYyAyMDIxIDE0OjQ2OjM0ICswMTAwClN1YmplY3Q6IFtQQVRDSF0gUmVtb3Zl IGJhZC1wYWNrYWdlcy1hbGlzdAoKKiBsaXNwL3NpbXBsZS5lbCAoYmFkLXBhY2thZ2VzLWFsaXN0 LCBiYWQtcGFja2FnZS1jaGVjayk6IFJlbW92ZS4KLS0tCiBsaXNwL3NpbXBsZS5lbCB8IDUxIC0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tCiAxIGZpbGUg Y2hhbmdlZCwgNTEgZGVsZXRpb25zKC0pCgpkaWZmIC0tZ2l0IGEvbGlzcC9zaW1wbGUuZWwgYi9s aXNwL3NpbXBsZS5lbAppbmRleCA4NDkyOGNhYTMxLi5kOTg0NWRjM2NkIDEwMDY0NAotLS0gYS9s aXNwL3NpbXBsZS5lbAorKysgYi9saXNwL3NpbXBsZS5lbApAQCAtOTc4Myw1NyArOTc4Myw2IEBA IG1lc3NhZ2VzLWJ1ZmZlcgogOzsgIChsaXN0ICdtb2RpZmljYXRpb24taG9va3MgJyhtaW5pYnVm ZmVyLXByb21wdC1tb2RpZmljYXRpb24pCiA7OwknaW5zZXJ0LWluLWZyb250LWhvb2tzICcobWlu aWJ1ZmZlci1wcm9tcHQtaW5zZXJ0aW9uKSkpCiAKLQwKLTs7OzsgUHJvYmxlbWF0aWMgZXh0ZXJu YWwgcGFja2FnZXMuCi0KLTs7IHJtcyBzYXlzIHRoaXMgc2hvdWxkIGJlIGRvbmUgYnkgc3BlY2lm eWluZyBzeW1ib2xzIHRoYXQgZGVmaW5lCi07OyB2ZXJzaW9ucyB0b2dldGhlciB3aXRoIGJhZCB2 YWx1ZXMuICBUaGlzIGlzIHRoZXJlZm9yZSBub3QgYXMKLTs7IGZsZXhpYmxlIGFzIGl0IGNvdWxk IGJlLiAgU2VlIHRoZSB0aHJlYWQ6Ci07OyBodHRwczovL2xpc3RzLmdudS5vcmcvci9lbWFjcy1k ZXZlbC8yMDA3LTA4L21zZzAwMzAwLmh0bWwKLShkZWZjb25zdCBiYWQtcGFja2FnZXMtYWxpc3QK LSAgOzsgTm90IHN1cmUgZXhhY3RseSB3aGljaCBzZW1hbnRpYyB2ZXJzaW9ucyBoYXZlIHByb2Js ZW1zLgotICA7OyBEZWZpbml0ZWx5IDIuMHByZTMsIHByb2JhYmx5IGFsbCAyLjBwcmUncyBiZWZv cmUgdGhpcy4KLSAgJygoc2VtYW50aWMgc2VtYW50aWMtdmVyc2lvbiAiXFxgMlxcLjBwcmVbMS0z XVxcJyIKLSAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIlRoZSB2ZXJzaW9uIG9mIGBzZW1hbnRpYycgbG9hZGVkIGRv ZXMgbm90IHdvcmsgaW4gRW1hY3MgMjIuCi1JdCBjYW4gY2F1c2UgY29uc3RhbnQgaGlnaCBDUFUg bG9hZC4KLVVwZ3JhZGUgdG8gYXQgbGVhc3QgU2VtYW50aWMgMi4wcHJlNCAoZGlzdHJpYnV0ZWQg d2l0aCBDRURFVCAxLjBwcmU0KS4iKQotICAgIDs7IENVQS1tb2RlIGRvZXMgbm90IHdvcmsgd2l0 aCBHTlUgRW1hY3MgdmVyc2lvbiAyMi4xIGFuZCBuZXdlci4KLSAgICA7OyBFeGNlcHQgZm9yIHZl cnNpb24gMS4yLCBhbGwgb2YgdGhlIDEueCBhbmQgMi54IHZlcnNpb24gb2YgY3VhLW1vZGUKLSAg ICA7OyBwcm92aWRlZCB0aGUgYENVQS1tb2RlJyBmZWF0dXJlLiAgU2luY2UgdGhpcyBpcyBubyBs b25nZXIgdHJ1ZSwKLSAgICA7OyB3ZSBjYW4gd2FybiB0aGUgdXNlciBpZiB0aGUgYENVQS1tb2Rl JyBmZWF0dXJlIGlzIGV2ZXIgcHJvdmlkZWQuCi0gICAgKENVQS1tb2RlIHQgbmlsCi0iQ1VBLW1v ZGUgaXMgbm93IHBhcnQgb2YgdGhlIHN0YW5kYXJkIEdOVSBFbWFjcyBkaXN0cmlidXRpb24sCi1z byB5b3UgY2FuIG5vdyBlbmFibGUgQ1VBIHZpYSB0aGUgT3B0aW9ucyBtZW51IG9yIGJ5IGN1c3Rv bWl6aW5nIGBjdWEtbW9kZScuCi0KLVlvdSBoYXZlIGxvYWRlZCBhbiBvbGRlciB2ZXJzaW9uIG9m IENVQS1tb2RlIHdoaWNoIGRvZXMgbm90IHdvcmsKLWNvcnJlY3RseSB3aXRoIHRoaXMgdmVyc2lv biBvZiBFbWFjcy4gIFlvdSBzaG91bGQgcmVtb3ZlIHRoZSBvbGQKLXZlcnNpb24gYW5kIHVzZSB0 aGUgb25lIGRpc3RyaWJ1dGVkIHdpdGggRW1hY3MuIikpCi0gICJBbGlzdCBvZiBwYWNrYWdlcyBr bm93biB0byBjYXVzZSBwcm9ibGVtcyBpbiB0aGlzIHZlcnNpb24gb2YgRW1hY3MuCi1FYWNoIGVs ZW1lbnQgaGFzIHRoZSBmb3JtIChQQUNLQUdFIFNZTUJPTCBSRUdFWFAgU1RSSU5HKS4KLVBBQ0tB R0UgaXMgZWl0aGVyIGEgcmVndWxhciBleHByZXNzaW9uIHRvIG1hdGNoIGZpbGUgbmFtZXMsIG9y IGEKLXN5bWJvbCAoYSBmZWF0dXJlIG5hbWUpLCBsaWtlIGZvciBgd2l0aC1ldmFsLWFmdGVyLWxv YWQnLgotU1lNQk9MIGlzIGVpdGhlciB0aGUgbmFtZSBvZiBhIHN0cmluZyB2YXJpYWJsZSwgb3Ig dC4gIFVwb24KLWxvYWRpbmcgUEFDS0FHRSwgaWYgU1lNQk9MIGlzIHQgb3IgbWF0Y2hlcyBSRUdF WFAsIGRpc3BsYXkgYQotd2FybmluZyB1c2luZyBTVFJJTkcgYXMgdGhlIG1lc3NhZ2UuIikKLQot KGRlZnVuIGJhZC1wYWNrYWdlLWNoZWNrIChwYWNrYWdlKQotICAiUnVuIGEgY2hlY2sgdXNpbmcg dGhlIGVsZW1lbnQgZnJvbSBgYmFkLXBhY2thZ2VzLWFsaXN0JyBtYXRjaGluZyBQQUNLQUdFLiIK LSAgKGNvbmRpdGlvbi1jYXNlIG5pbAotICAgICAgKGxldCogKChsaXN0IChhc3NvYyBwYWNrYWdl IGJhZC1wYWNrYWdlcy1hbGlzdCkpCi0gICAgICAgICAgICAgKHN5bWJvbCAobnRoIDEgbGlzdCkp KQotICAgICAgICAoYW5kIGxpc3QKLSAgICAgICAgICAgICAoYm91bmRwIHN5bWJvbCkKLSAgICAg ICAgICAgICAob3IgKGVxIHN5bWJvbCB0KQotICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAoYW5kIChzdHJpbmdw IChzZXRxIHN5bWJvbCAoZXZhbCBzeW1ib2wpKSkKLSAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAoc3Ry aW5nLW1hdGNoLXAgKG50aCAyIGxpc3QpIHN5bWJvbCkpKQotICAgICAgICAgICAgIChkaXNwbGF5 LXdhcm5pbmcgcGFja2FnZSAobnRoIDMgbGlzdCkgOndhcm5pbmcpKSkKLSAgICAoZXJyb3Igbmls KSkpCi0KLShkb2xpc3QgKGVsZW0gYmFkLXBhY2thZ2VzLWFsaXN0KQotICAobGV0ICgocGtnIChj YXIgZWxlbSkpKQotICAgICh3aXRoLWV2YWwtYWZ0ZXItbG9hZCBwa2cKLSAgICAgIChiYWQtcGFj a2FnZS1jaGVjayBwa2cpKSkpCi0KIAwKIDs7OyBHZW5lcmljIGRpc3BhdGNoZXIgY29tbWFuZHMK IAotLSAKMi4zMC4yCgo= --000000000000b9b04405d28ef041-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 09 20:23:36 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 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Fri, 10 Dec 2021 13:27:26 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#52351: Is bad-packages-alist still relevant? References: X-Now-Playing: The Smiths's _Hatful Of Hollow_: "Accept Yourself" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 13:27:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 7 Dec 2021 15:10:48 +0100") Message-ID: <87ee6ky79w.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > IOW, not a bad idea at the time, but the passing of time has meant that > it's hard to see the relevance of the feature. Yeah, it doesn't seem very useful to me. We should probably obsolete it, though, instead of removing it outright, I guess? (Even if it's a defconst.) Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52351 Cc: Glenn Morris , 52351@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: > IOW, not a bad idea at the time, but the passing of time has meant that > it's hard to see the relevance of the feature. Yeah, it doesn't seem very useful to me. We should probably obsolete it, though, instead of removing it outright, I guess? (Even if it's a defconst.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 10 15:01:04 2021 Received: (at 52351) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Dec 2021 20:01:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47948 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mvm4m-0002B5-6H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 15:01:04 -0500 Received: from mail-pl1-f182.google.com ([209.85.214.182]:43848) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mvm4i-0002AS-Jd for 52351@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 15:01:03 -0500 Received: by mail-pl1-f182.google.com with SMTP id m24so6943738pls.10 for <52351@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 12:01:00 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WRfq34kyVwyaaJNgHeoH9cDr+AQApRRFdeZsz6SOPas=; b=hlIEpvJZBqssPMjvW4UiJe6UC40MaQNAuwzcd6NUJkuRaE17sRd+Jm74Q2ilJj8JMe mS5MbfvzVKF95LZ3HPNLonYNW+qh/puW7/SlgzdVJzutlnihhRI/oV6lOg9S+J67Bh1r 4t0yudsyN3FIumaT0tuNdEQu9BUQkYKZyh/Nmy0e8oiVwMoRvVrHHd1KJWZRhJPhUiSU RAiS1X1FKEIDsFQjJYxBtcyb+FywuQ3Iw0cmA+wSManMtWZVru+vW1ZGw4WLrCosEDf1 KpRyUShDQtlGWE7SroEu5pEBqPhsEShWgmKyAIyPLkRNx1/AMUi5YoeYKVY9qKrUFafB XB/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532kdwQtTKmSvVNu9AWfUPAiTkkuK0aEYPX1LoxPN1czqNnBonI9 qDspCy8Ae+3Fsr4enyanoqMYFdNFS/eWewOgsjo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxmQ1DuPXu/YqhNS++HzkmbqGh8l/oxwHyNmN2zFTlwip6DbAfUukYKYR0xVw5tRvDUbWx10WLxZ1rrHs+8Xpo= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:4414:: with SMTP id s20mr26624775pjg.132.1639166454797; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 12:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 10 Dec 2021 20:00:54 +0000 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87ee6ky79w.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 10 Dec 2021 13:27:23 +0100") References: <87ee6ky79w.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 20:00:54 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#52351: Is bad-packages-alist still relevant? To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52351 Cc: Glenn Morris , 52351@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Yeah, it doesn't seem very useful to me. We should probably obsolete > it, though, instead of removing it outright, I guess? (Even if it's a > defconst.) Sure, we might as well obsolete it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 19 10:19:59 2021 Received: (at 52351) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2021 15:19:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47728 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1myxyh-0005qa-5F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 10:19:59 -0500 Received: from mail-pg1-f175.google.com ([209.85.215.175]:45005) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1myxyc-0005q6-5t for 52351@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 10:19:54 -0500 Received: by mail-pg1-f175.google.com with SMTP id m15so7041004pgu.11 for <52351@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 07:19:54 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=p5c70sA6a89/UHY3AlRWm2+QKG7k8K1e8oSZdRcKmuw=; b=kWsmcfXGhFhEPgRXI+yj7i/JbYtEVBoREswfifB8cOuYa7k9HyEdEU830xMy0AVBuL CYJcCshZ2O+3BqDE0hOuA7yknpX9R8EE+m17Dzb0IfdSbe0mHlO7KS3y22tww21lonln MKS3vx48owrAb9L4N9GgXYnkpncihsLcVYG6e287nwnhyC8/1xwLxOcROgI+lpdTQn1e WlEWeHcrjIVra2r+olgqyQfUljuC93OTM7jZWEgFVcIk7cBKLe5+rg9fsOgTSClDV6h/ iIo+zHlsN74nteicD8c8R2tLBByqnN6gPdzXVtSI09KRtCuXWrLWHOpm8t7C4jbzOj4I BpRg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53127TwShSkQKr+5iWkbZ5nwCMF4HNVRPr2rAHo6I+Pq5INtkP+E AX7RgfAy53XxRVQ4/HrbsXXO5orsLU7BW03+yy0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzfx5/nxxuLZy7TMErfnUC/RGJB13c/1BWlai8r5kHap9cHx4DhMrG0fYyBgkTGxfw2h77w/zmxgCPNkGFIgOo= X-Received: by 2002:a63:ff14:: with SMTP id k20mr10986731pgi.325.1639927187405; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 07:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 19 Dec 2021 07:19:46 -0800 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87ee6ky79w.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87ee6ky79w.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2021 07:19:46 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#52351: Is bad-packages-alist still relevant? To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52351 Cc: Glenn Morris , 52351@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) close 52351 29.1 thanks Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> IOW, not a bad idea at the time, but the passing of time has meant that >> it's hard to see the relevance of the feature. > > Yeah, it doesn't seem very useful to me. We should probably obsolete > it, though, instead of removing it outright, I guess? (Even if it's a > defconst.) No further comments within 9 days, so I have now made it obsolete on master (commit 8f82a83cae). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 20 23:15:40 2021 Received: (at 52351) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Dec 2021 04:15:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52019 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mzWYu-0000g9-JA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:15:40 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36588) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mzWYr-0000fu-Pr for 52351@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:15:40 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=35648 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzWYm-00018Z-9a; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:15:32 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=VdzM1uLNfBy7X+NkqUxvZ/16m6iOOlHsGvxgDOAlZpY=; b=cgSnJhZGWXah MCxNo4lylsesEMcrkhPYDEitmiAivflx4Y6f0TxDmVms3E/1bkusfIH5W0Lj/2EwkLEypLJ0ZfnwK qPFirpZWV+bgwS1xCuNtUvRismRwObsxYqdntmkgncpR0KkI1yfE5TVsYBxCh093zL9dmbCdBrUOJ 9u1yQ0cVn1mBi+TdPMncVlwxvJmPesyh28IQmWZTw/OVb5d3a8nI2jaE+K7U1mHUUsPj91E/ITe7X +RO5EsFoVFEWklFuP450qbE69F9GhThzHD8/B7OXwbeFFEFht2UvBtL44lFpzH+8zu0X1gz6Haclf B8gS+dhUPzSSZFVWrXuCCg==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzWYl-0000rn-RS; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:15:31 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 19 Dec 2021 07:19:46 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#52351: Is bad-packages-alist still relevant? References: <87ee6ky79w.fsf@gnus.org> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:15:31 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52351 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, 52351@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] bad-packages-alist may be useful again some day, so please restore its non-obsoleteness. The specific issue about Semantic and Emacs 22 is no longer pertinent, so we should set the variable's default value to nil. However, that kind of problem could happen again some day. We hope it won't, but few of us are perfect and none of us is precognitive. Why not be prepared in case such problems occur again? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 21 05:02:21 2021 Received: (at 52351) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Dec 2021 10:02:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52389 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mzbyP-0003RB-LL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 05:02:21 -0500 Received: from mail-pj1-f54.google.com ([209.85.216.54]:43597) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mzbyO-0003Qv-8F for 52351@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 05:02:20 -0500 Received: by mail-pj1-f54.google.com with SMTP id a11-20020a17090a854b00b001b11aae38d6so2714815pjw.2 for <52351@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 02:02:20 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ckktOrrGGxOOGMrPbfSFtStBWL5FqrE47+jTpPxG8W4=; b=JyTGmTcbzieHkhtdR9mLcrqBW0N3Vo04xEioKH313e8sJn5mMXH7PEbrYCIKMa4FEn eZGg494W+jLpqEGEI0Hn+QnXseEy28v+EG9HpIUV1xUew74TkhRc95TRjusq1/oz/9Yt V5CtrHXYyvA4bb/i/raSuxpaS+QXtztIJukBc7DIh6lKlWjJ3tnsgLlEpt/7Jo90ZAsj p0zMC7TiDxaL63rrdgI0UdYk+tHLLm1mOzoWjp48gqaAhgSq34ZHZnutBdhPQuW3JFqU osHeb+dH1fhRFaxABNx0qndwToliEGG2pROPEAj2JGoxsEmj/girMMilV12sL6hLbO6K aURQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532upRoPqhWF0X7bQ1H6IYANNXiiqEY8ybT9vjdUHjbDqVDFn3Ct RHXRMqFzbXUCzM9a/hTEFF113cZGvDuC+L8+4Gw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyCyTxTuXJ9lnf2TmkKVcmdz8Khpdvr8Oo6HAUN9WI6XWioYGLqouN/EePi4347TwsucsG1dCZzpdvPs4LHv4U= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:4b0e:: with SMTP id lx14mr3211284pjb.132.1640080934487; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 02:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 02:02:14 -0800 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: References: <87ee6ky79w.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 02:02:14 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#52351: Is bad-packages-alist still relevant? To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52351 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, 52351@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Richard Stallman writes: > bad-packages-alist may be useful again some day, so please restore its > non-obsoleteness. > > The specific issue about Semantic and Emacs 22 is no longer pertinent, > so we should set the variable's default value to nil. > > However, that kind of problem could happen again some day. We hope it > won't, but few of us are perfect and none of us is precognitive. Why > not be prepared in case such problems occur again? Beyond the original Semantic case, this hasn't seen much use in 15 years. If we need it back in the future, we can make it non-obsolete then. We have another decade to think about its obsoletion before it would normally be considered for final removal. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:54:17 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 12:24:08 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator