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In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.20, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2021-12-03 built on aspire-5942 Repository revision: f5f5297a9254bb2da751da184eaf03a919a1766a Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12011000 System Description: Linux Mint 20 Configured using: 'configure --with-native-compilation' Configured features: CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XPM GTK3 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LC_MONETARY: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $LC_NUMERIC: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Info -- Marco Wahl From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 05 16:02:51 2021 Received: (at 52317) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Dec 2021 21:02:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59778 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtyeo-0003V7-VR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 16:02:51 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:56154) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtyem-0003Uu-Rq for 52317@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 16:02:49 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=jemqNjaSp+miiPjxFduuKKKDEczK49jEyPpDub54lo8=; b=B2BGdAbnUENzcVMXwpHy8rQvqi NjjyY3rzml7FnaBT/6GeasHvvflQaoNSxze66/3Y63C4mJgv2RqE1o3CbKlsJ2AYA82vVniFdYPuu AJWgv1x4YwCLBcGYnIan2cG/X4rZegawHu1lY7YxUFGds0P3bXOi6u8tJVVePh/7D5oQ=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mtyee-0002uh-JQ; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 22:02:42 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Marco Wahl Subject: Re: bug#52317: 29.0.50; Unintelligible sentence in EIEIO info References: <87lf0y93rj.fsf@gmail.com> X-Now-Playing: Genesis's _And Then There Were Three_: "Down And Out" Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 22:02:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87lf0y93rj.fsf@gmail.com> (Marco Wahl's message of "Sun, 05 Dec 2021 21:48:48 +0100") Message-ID: <8735n6ojdb.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Marco Wahl writes: > Visit (info "(eieio) Generics") . > Find the sentence > > In CLOS, a generic call also be used to provide an argument list > and dispatch precedence for all the arguments. > > This sentence is unint [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52317 Cc: 52317@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Marco Wahl writes: > Visit (info "(eieio) Generics") . > Find the sentence > > In CLOS, a generic call also be used to provide an argument list > and dispatch precedence for all the arguments. > > This sentence is unintelligible AFAICT. I've now changed it to: In CLOS, a generic method can also be used to provide an argument list and dispatch precedence for all the arguments. In @eieio{}, dispatching only occurs for the first argument, so the @var{arglist} is not used. in Emacs 29. But the documentation here talks about cl-defgeneric, so it's extra confusing. 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[2003:d8:6719:2b00:c529:26ee:7a2b:f66]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s63sm9875800wme.22.2021.12.05.13.28.26 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 05 Dec 2021 13:28:26 -0800 (PST) From: Marco Wahl To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#52317: 29.0.50; Unintelligible sentence in EIEIO info Organization: Marco Wahl References: <87lf0y93rj.fsf@gmail.com> <8735n6ojdb.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 22:28:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: <8735n6ojdb.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 05 Dec 2021 22:02:40 +0100") Message-ID: <87h7bm91xi.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52317 Cc: Marco Wahl , 52317@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> Visit (info "(eieio) Generics") . >> Find the sentence >> >> In CLOS, a generic call also be used to provide an argument list >> and dispatch precedence for all the arguments. >> >> This sentence is unintelligible AFAICT. > > I've now changed it to: > > In CLOS, a generic method can also be used to provide an argument list > and dispatch precedence for all the arguments. In @eieio{}, > dispatching only occurs for the first argument, so the @var{arglist} > is not used. Thanks Lars! This fixes the issue! > in Emacs 29. But the documentation here talks about cl-defgeneric, so > it's extra confusing. (The `defgeneric' in eieio-compat.el does behave > like described, apparently, so it's not totally wrong... but... it > think perhaps the ieieo/cl method stuff needs some editing.) Possibly. I'll keep reporting in case I find something else... Thanks again! -- Marco From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:36:46 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2022 12:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator