From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 28 22:09:08 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2021 03:09:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36661 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrX2S-0004n5-Ie for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 22:09:08 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:35144) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrX2O-0004ms-AO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 22:09:07 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45744) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mrX2O-00037U-3u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 22:09:04 -0500 Received: from mailgw301.it.ntnu.no ([129.241.56.179]:52884) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mrX2K-0000oW-4r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 22:09:03 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ntnu.no; i=@ntnu.no; q=dns/txt; s=s1-1909-ntnu; t=1638155336; h=from : to : subject : date : message-id : mime-version : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : from; bh=UipmqPKHm7aqCIwpPkJ5MJCpO7J83PBB/PMc9kl2+GM=; b=J/etuH7g3N4CAeex5b4fxMAIK3xp7RvcqSV5CK9TFnwul6sF/oas7x5suy1iSWf1VhzoT XxDCY0xRB/cqUtq4FdvF7NpkNje6aF5aTq97r+hjTXgp8V/aVYTfjvZctBrEB+YUqF5w4ST EeBa5zpQEb8T0K+8Wm9g7I8yvIEOtHWfkDgt6Hff5B7HC7Ean6Ms6qHQuLLBKGFgem7OLQy Pb7KHcSioh/NTha1NRAB6yfBrRQt70q6QULBaY+AzS5/C7FrPb+R9wnCVZwltBhHzpjr/Tc 6f4t2qV8MKs9aYAEkR8As7th2QawevIV4IwCiQlZXDkPDtATzCx6EaQBPZlQ== Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw301.it.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16922682B09 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 04:08:56 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailgw301.it.ntnu.no X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.59 X-Spam-Level: Received: from mailgw301.it.ntnu.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailgw301.it.ntnu.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sx8q5jKBmmA3 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 04:08:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (unknown [185.159.157.23]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: takringe@ntnu.no) by mailgw301.it.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A7A83682AAF for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 04:08:55 +0100 (CET) From: Tor Kringeland To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: =?utf-8?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 04:08:54 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=129.241.56.179; envelope-from=tor.a.s.kringeland@ntnu.no; helo=mailgw301.it.ntnu.no X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) `=C5=9B' is a character used in /e.g./ Polish. Currently `C-x 8 ' s' is not bound. Could this be added (along with the capitalized variant)? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 29 04:30:22 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2021 09:30:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37061 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrczM-0002Ei-Ug for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 04:30:22 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-f52.google.com ([209.85.128.52]:43707) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrczK-0002ET-7n for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 04:30:18 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-f52.google.com with SMTP id o19-20020a1c7513000000b0033a93202467so11922614wmc.2 for <52173@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 01:30:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1trIKXJA6EZrcMZJsmw3zuEBQhwaWvhx+wmGSMagSB0=; b=kokVjopIS+0VKumZnT7Y6cHWNocnCCWyo4PT+J9FKo48NmCrqcWWNUnsNkBFCXCrbg wjWaKUKVWGXjkznGxq4iZY6NcLkDKPh3ytjWaTDlQPy48m4Hfr7PmCqXFdkLBtB0AAf6 EpKkfOrfXNp5DJj7hqXWex1R+Gz59+V9BDjc/u4cGCA72CBcJFelJDhcQnjs3iDo7cnY yxZJS4opzPPV85F7gIa042f61oHL0/dUOGi9XzDEoiSJMmzeR1TKrA1was4+/UJ2MAg8 3WiJ6vstWj7EwGstpvl0uuboZvJBc7IY3TWHXw2K2M1TlZSNqT/9hpuwEqyZ+4KGDRCt WoaA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1trIKXJA6EZrcMZJsmw3zuEBQhwaWvhx+wmGSMagSB0=; b=CMf4n2RdDXfVa/Nk/1m6ZNd8+meHWLIysAN+SMVpet+gdcmrFj7qnRgZyWYUvPayD7 vkFuzjIjFh/oAO7tZSbAqW3uo4NVxKOEmHLs4InPLLxIFc8MWg29m6smpnAnaZvfIE/+ g/Cvb/3CmtPh7MkVRdtcXpwEMJHlNrNzwf8ftcT/GWMZiR0t3Cad+P6RogmPh8OIQq3W z6AHkuJZyo5JAzQo9UulJb/bcPC0/BHBOWFw8VSrpgfZB8aMW5wRfdu7D/TrutI8SIgm X8/D4KFUKF4jPqeofCPGwPRNB7AwteP4/dPQC60DlhSwAx7Dnfw42bK+Q0gmnqf02WyR C4tQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532ZtscoziUSALAALw9sNuXyRvSSudtputAk7zoOkBzcE86S4YGH dbUkIE1hxfS+gpZYknfUHLBEKEHN7Ek= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyngGP9qxyAgi7NI6aq/Huf6IjKts0iQAlVPO0qK8P5lTLVK49w8QEUrmMBX7FEydsHKI4F/Q== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:ce16:: with SMTP id m22mr34520954wmc.39.1638178212129; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 01:30:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from rltb ([2a01:e0a:3f3:fb50:9a12:464c:5a3d:8c2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z6sm18505334wmp.9.2021.11.29.01.30.11 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 29 Nov 2021 01:30:11 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Pluim To: Tor Kringeland Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 10:30:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Tor Kringeland's message of "Mon, 29 Nov 2021 04:08:54 +0100") Message-ID: <87zgpn5mxp.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: 52173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 04:08:54 +0100, Tor Kringeland said: Tor> `=C5=9B' is a character used in /e.g./ Polish. Currently `C-x 8 '= s' is not Tor> bound. Could this be added (along with the capitalized variant)? I think you'd be better off using one of the two Polish input methods, they=CA=BCre far more ergonomic than C-x 8 If you=CA=BCre already using a different input method, you can extend it with bindings for the Polish characters you=CA=BCre interested in, eg (with-temp-buffer (activate-input-method "latin-prefix") ;; the input method has to be trig= gered for `quail-package-alist' to be non-nil (let ((quail-current-package (assoc "latin-prefix" quail-package-alist))) (quail-define-rules ((append . t)) ("'s" ?=C5=9B)))) Robert --=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 29 08:55:31 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2021 13:55:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37450 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrh7y-0003Dm-Qd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 08:55:31 -0500 Received: from mailgw401.it.ntnu.no ([129.241.56.182]:33760) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrh7w-0003Dc-Ak for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 08:55:29 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ntnu.no; i=@ntnu.no; q=dns/txt; s=s1-1909-ntnu; t=1638194125; h=from : to : cc : subject : in-reply-to : date : message-id : mime-version : content-type : from; bh=a6zSDUiLzUpYIjLoT3eYop8GQOOqgAl0wYHvzbeL+vY=; b=TLKxjnFGc61IYZkCXIXE9CxAMf2mn5zrrKbR6BrpZmqJ7HOOaR0xicVCfdz6sc8Zx9Pr3 3w3OpIxxrQOeoMbIGemG20b2BGsHpZpLxH1ZP7VRwzArK1AYjIp2PyeJjYXv2QzWrmWZlXr RHVfHfTUlW18GIFbx98DvzeP1XlYkjcXYYR9HZHTrz0QsToIIgIRQUf5ZyeDJkxBFPEJ05g G3VhXEfvCxcYqAng/oiBhPHiLcd2O2sC6IXagMwTS60xm2Xb92ZnnRifLTtexQ4QabCdJTO PF1YsTErmeTPXOrEu62WOmoxQOzPddmoS/ScWYhbmnebYC0OVvkBRBi4o5HA== Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw401.it.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3359642539; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 14:55:25 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailgw401.it.ntnu.no X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.59 X-Spam-Level: Received: from mailgw401.it.ntnu.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailgw401.it.ntnu.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sshWgNUmHnPq; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 14:55:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (unknown [91.219.215.154]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: takringe@ntnu.no) by mailgw401.it.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4792664054C; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 14:55:25 +0100 (CET) From: Tor Kringeland To: Robert Pluim Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' In-Reply-To: <87zgpn5mxp.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 14:55:23 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: 52173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Pluim writes: >>>>>> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 04:08:54 +0100, Tor Kringeland said: > > Tor> `=C5=9B' is a character used in /e.g./ Polish. Currently `C-x 8= ' s' is not > Tor> bound. Could this be added (along with the capitalized variant)? > > I think you'd be better off using one of the two Polish input methods, > they=CA=BCre far more ergonomic than C-x 8 > > If you=CA=BCre already using a different input method, you can extend it > with bindings for the Polish characters you=CA=BCre interested in, eg > > (with-temp-buffer > (activate-input-method "latin-prefix") ;; the input method has to be tr= iggered for `quail-package-alist' to be non-nil > (let ((quail-current-package (assoc "latin-prefix" quail-package-alist)= )) > (quail-define-rules ((append . t)) > ("'s" ?=C5=9B)))) > > Robert > --=20 Thanks for the tip. But when I'm writing with another input method, there comes up (not so often) the need to write some Polish name like Skowro=C5=84ski (also nothing for `C-x 8 ' n') or Kie=C5=9Blowski and it might be quicker to have the key-binding rather than changing the input method (or extending it for all the characters). The same happens for other languages, like Czech, where if you're writing a name with a `=C5=BE' it'd be faster to do somethi= ng like `C-x 8 v e' than to switch to a Czech input method. I'm attaching a patch for `C-x 8' to include with Polish characters. It's missing `=C5=BC', for which I cannot of a good key-binding for (`C-x 8= .' is taken). Any ideas? --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=Polish-characters-C-x_8.patch Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From 0cdec3270bec60284f19d3b852b8e19fb99a48f4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Tor Kringeland Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 14:49:08 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] Add support for some Polish characters with `C-x 8' * lisp/international/iso-transl.el: Add support for some Polish characters. --- lisp/international/iso-transl.el | 12 ++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 12 insertions(+) diff --git a/lisp/international/iso-transl.el b/lisp/international/iso-tran= sl.el index 2c7da2b7cd..c59a25efd3 100644 --- a/lisp/international/iso-transl.el +++ b/lisp/international/iso-transl.el @@ -86,23 +86,33 @@ ("\"y" . [?=C3=BF]) ("''" . [?=C2=B4]) ("'A" . [?=C3=81]) + ("'C" . [?=C4=86]) ("'E" . [?=C3=89]) ("'I" . [?=C3=8D]) + ("'N" . [?=C5=83]) ("'O" . [?=C3=93]) + ("'S" . [?=C5=9A]) ("'U" . [?=C3=9A]) ("'Y" . [?=C3=9D]) + ("'Z" . [?=C5=B9]) ("'a" . [?=C3=A1]) + ("'c" . [?=C4=87]) ("'e" . [?=C3=A9]) ("'i" . [?=C3=AD]) + ("'n" . [?=C5=84]) ("'o" . [?=C3=B3]) + ("'s" . [?=C5=9B]) ("'u" . [?=C3=BA]) ("'y" . [?=C3=BD]) + ("'z" . [?=C5=BA]) ("*$" . [?=C2=A4]) ("$" . [?=C2=A4]) ("*+" . [?=C2=B1]) ("+" . [?=C2=B1]) (",," . [?=C2=B8]) + (",A" . [?=C4=84]) (",C" . [?=C3=87]) + (",a" . [?=C4=85]) (",c" . [?=C3=A7]) ("*-" . [?=C2=AD]) ("-" . [?=C2=AD]) @@ -110,9 +120,11 @@ ("." . [?=C2=B7]) ("//" . [?=C3=B7]) ("/A" . [?=C3=85]) + ("/L" . [?=C5=81]) ("/E" . [?=C3=86]) ("/O" . [?=C3=98]) ("/a" . [?=C3=A5]) + ("/l" . [?=C5=82]) ("/e" . [?=C3=A6]) ("/o" . [?=C3=B8]) ("1/2" . [?=C2=BD]) --=20 2.34.1 --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 29 09:06:59 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2021 14:06:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37521 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrhJ4-0003ZW-V0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 09:06:59 -0500 Received: from mail-wr1-f47.google.com ([209.85.221.47]:38583) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrhJ2-0003ZI-S7 for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 09:06:57 -0500 Received: by mail-wr1-f47.google.com with SMTP id q3so14220714wru.5 for <52173@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 06:06:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KO22H1yAjI96sWVS/XjZqQudv/xRAiU9ZdlcY0KriC8=; b=a9zAx7cBHQm5UPoSKM2DxJsL8a14C6xFnvEh2LfU8obowe8ZF0SiMLgAJ9lgZYdqom DYaemWVP36VlWkK+1rwW4J+NjlqpL/LvielgAJdqMFT/ql3rhSnjvn/OFEo2C7B5NCOT V8jms45p98taQd1zU1GZ7/rX7vytY8HKtwyzSxA8V/qBmfsieGAblnOdeXmCtjmArMIb bJMDaMSGlKkQadXb1KL8Brt3tZ5R5RZHBHZtEO7jl1aEBOnXmBBp8Sd2KKkxOgKQVgk3 +fYn/ubHoiSq2ES6IVmvyuIrIVGmMoxZajzPLsMg3Gpz1yfZx8Zes6NfDq2XFtVxvwFD WG5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KO22H1yAjI96sWVS/XjZqQudv/xRAiU9ZdlcY0KriC8=; b=MlpeRs+EAgODopRsmyjsoj/JY0GsFesdS03qRBASRFYHQRcCX3To/zW05bGPi9hX3T 1DgPl4ZETY201YEX0vAuNjqPgqDMaRpw6GBxJFPBibl1HedLZCnbM642X9x8B2ZMRggW 8CdFziLB3gyBej4D4u/clrD/xBCJNSdIwh5TB5XYRrI0xpeYAwXtEW5KLj1JIE+Wsdyc wjWUxKP1MyUUgqF6NzwQaeah/lSUeJJiDR/V/dyR3aqas0i1XYfjkT7Q1ofpaml5LxyI v8iBNWM1aqS99FMS9NttOn6fRiCb/nx2ppmptG2ZYe9mIYPTtAVGOtWLTugqbL+CMGr3 Mouw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533w8HwSn539xHMybMjX8ImvA1fl6dWGmlxkuXiBFdsKn6al2kQi 7ibPmvajJ0n0uG68XFodfQ5Tc0bhlo0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxhJDOJb0lTTcQArity9AZJYGMuN7DgXmlNHzJsaST/4HO2p9texETmgwJhJLbqPGHiAY2oPg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:cd:: with SMTP id q13mr34176054wrx.488.1638194810647; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 06:06:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from rltb ([2a01:e0a:3f3:fb50:452b:223a:73d6:af90]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w17sm14228463wrp.79.2021.11.29.06.06.48 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 29 Nov 2021 06:06:49 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Pluim To: Tor Kringeland Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:06:48 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Tor Kringeland's message of "Mon, 29 Nov 2021 14:55:23 +0100") Message-ID: <87r1az5a4n.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: 52173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 14:55:23 +0100, Tor Kringeland said: Tor> But when I'm writing with another input method, there comes up (no= t so Tor> often) the need to write some Polish name like Skowro=C5=84ski (al= so nothing Tor> for `C-x 8 ' n') or Kie=C5=9Blowski and it might be quicker to hav= e the Tor> key-binding rather than changing the input method (or extending it= for Tor> all the characters). The same happens for other languages, like C= zech, Tor> where if you're writing a name with a `=C5=BE' it'd be faster to d= o something Tor> like `C-x 8 v e' than to switch to a Czech input method. Tor> I'm attaching a patch for `C-x 8' to include with Polish character= s. Tor> It's missing `=C5=BC', for which I cannot of a good key-binding fo= r (`C-x 8 .' Tor> is taken). Any ideas? There are hundreds of characters that you could add to C-x 8, there=CA=BCs nothing particularly special about Polish and Czech: this is why input methods exist. What might be more useful is an input-method ring, so you could quickly switch between 2 or more input methods. Robert --=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 29 09:24:23 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2021 14:24:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37548 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrhZv-0006ET-MJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 09:24:23 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:58166) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrhZt-0006EH-Bi for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 09:24:21 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=aPdvEfLxtwy5i0cNMpmX6v8GgeHqOeDKxo9FNd9IB/8=; b=fX30Lfp9QP3AiENpZKC0dcril9 x3t15bauAjqL8X0R75gdpXULAkub21VrGZr3sOdSjiXVkPiLVTKxGeeK8gQ+0k9zkHQC7PQ39kO2j ZBqhNM0/eywqv7dtYDdo1zPQKcKa7i2ikxldZhH33dz6EtUQ68O81sIcxprLvG4gXwUM=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mrhZk-00053Y-10; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:24:14 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Robert Pluim Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: <87r1az5a4n.fsf@gmail.com> X-Now-Playing: Colleen's _The Tunnel and the Clearing_: "The Tunnel and the Clearing" Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:24:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87r1az5a4n.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:06:48 +0100") Message-ID: <878rx7yr92.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Robert Pluim writes: > There are hundreds of characters that you could add to C-x 8, thereʼs > nothing particularly special about Polish and Czech: this is why input > methods exist. What might be more useful is an input [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: Tor Kringeland , 52173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Robert Pluim writes: > There are hundreds of characters that you could add to C-x 8, there=CA=BCs > nothing particularly special about Polish and Czech: this is why input > methods exist. What might be more useful is an input-method ring, so > you could quickly switch between 2 or more input methods. But adding more things to `C-x 8' isn't a bad idea, either. Basically, you could make the same argument for all the `C-x 8' things, but we have that keymap because it's convenient for people that doesn't use those diacritics normally. Adding `C-x 8 ' s` for instance, wouldn't get in the way of anything else, but would be helpful for those that have to write the occasional... er... what is it? An s with a caron?=20=20 --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 29 09:38:15 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2021 14:38:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37566 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrhnL-0000Kf-BE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 09:38:15 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-f44.google.com ([209.85.128.44]:50918) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrhn6-0000Jj-4k for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 09:38:14 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-f44.google.com with SMTP id 133so14868745wme.0 for <52173@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 06:38:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=j3ve7GR2qRi/9hfcdwBboGdksIm+aVbm/nTnMI49WQo=; b=C2VmSqDXzRONpQxuERmY29Em9zmlLTPXcjNSs2ueURELmLdtYu4dEvGwFHP4+HzwDx t40NZUnK+prkzyT4/Qd6B12BhkX3KiHJtZHmSsHNRYJ9l2Tq4piUww52+1xrKPWbjh1r VB02ly/n4tFSmHZuTaeeEqdgw3rsURvNQDFVD/yVIo/xTSZ2agy47m0/vcoDTbzBypmO Jzre+VGd2eG9ot7uN/l6trX7jXJJ8hLESZwTWO3srjC5lp/mXGM0jrvXTZap/jP9pkyF 4MFHNisjiie1/+/yvUDjiJvZEhqZvgUow98aMdmcGOCtFTFCAFMGSvihsQP+Z8RIFp2P W9PQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=j3ve7GR2qRi/9hfcdwBboGdksIm+aVbm/nTnMI49WQo=; b=Cz+hYTOMpYexs1gYzEK1I8utxzNhkgwkPhASSW3fYmcqyYSY2EKJt5gZNQYD24R82k BLrEVrjhNwTbRubPgbmCS4GwNYjAmo0GVKYZNpkP7/0IOlNmg4WmGVp5623XsqGgnCWt 0/rBG7W8obymQLsIl1iAWz+OL3o1Pq4rr8YYM4NbMr6RYMeplhneFrpnokd+7q++P8Yj XN1ajrg5ufcxpv8VIGisKcGuqmZ1HWfYE665LATRcChxZ90eyQ2p0Q6r5V4UwMbORbf9 SzdNL4TJatoWqhCcwKwuRqAhuXtzUcjnZq2Kaien2Oj4xestbeSa7JW6LIJNfcFWvRjS s74A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533bzowUodMo2c1bEw+BJ2BtezyUcjnxvbxxCKaMxfatmknNcACK 7+UQ+M8rgaQyKyQ3RjnYGSksXLf//Q4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxx8ilPGtxKB+qfmKyXb4reuW74MQPFGgbHytmESOnNH5jIWbcI9BkxP0yJkcR09dVNB55CgA== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:f416:: with SMTP id z22mr37645961wma.121.1638196674053; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 06:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from rltb ([2a01:e0a:3f3:fb50:452b:223a:73d6:af90]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w15sm13764694wrk.77.2021.11.29.06.37.53 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 29 Nov 2021 06:37:53 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Pluim To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: <87r1az5a4n.fsf@gmail.com> <878rx7yr92.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:37:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: <878rx7yr92.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:24:09 +0100") Message-ID: <87ee6z58ov.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: Tor Kringeland , 52173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:24:09 +0100, Lars Ingebrigtsen said: Lars> Robert Pluim writes: >> There are hundreds of characters that you could add to C-x 8, there= =CA=BCs >> nothing particularly special about Polish and Czech: this is why inp= ut >> methods exist. What might be more useful is an input-method ring, so >> you could quickly switch between 2 or more input methods. Lars> But adding more things to `C-x 8' isn't a bad idea, either. Basi= cally, Lars> you could make the same argument for all the `C-x 8' things, but = we have Lars> that keymap because it's convenient for people that doesn't use t= hose Lars> diacritics normally. Except C-x 8 is nominally based on ISO 10646, so there=CA=BCs some kind of underlying logic to the characters it supports. Lars> Adding `C-x 8 ' s` for instance, wouldn't get in the way of anyth= ing Lars> else, but would be helpful for those that have to write the Lars> occasional... er... what is it? An s with a caron?=20=20 s with acute. But there are input methods where 's =3D> s with cedilla (eg Romanian), so what's the logic for preferring Polish, especially when we already have Polish/Czech/Romanian/latin-n methods etc for all these characters? Robert --=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 29 09:43:50 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2021 14:43:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37595 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrhsk-0000Va-EW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 09:43:50 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:58492) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrhsi-0000VM-2V for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 09:43:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ukKTyL5dNFQIDcTF1T6bhZpp7nVzfCQoIAqmQORcrGo=; b=t0As5vN1oCcIO+8Y4LWxTa484P mLzMtGgj0yPiE5IWfTMcYGPx8aC/87JfIS+6GLCQM8cUiFZfOmXd3QUbvhYt5DwLG3AZWJf16+nLH zSZSv3ZBFDqIphhwxtFGGAVPcSPhhWbMCb+EEJumscyvJM3JZQHZJE8O40VvDbGyD//0=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mrhsV-0005Ds-TS; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:43:39 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Robert Pluim Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: <87r1az5a4n.fsf@gmail.com> <878rx7yr92.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee6z58ov.fsf@gmail.com> X-Now-Playing: Black Midi's _Cavalcade_: "John L" Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:43:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87ee6z58ov.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:37:52 +0100") Message-ID: <87o863xbs9.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Robert Pluim writes: > Except C-x 8 is nominally based on ISO 10646, so thereʼs some kind of > underlying logic to the characters it supports. In what way it it based on Unicode? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: Tor Kringeland , 52173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Robert Pluim writes: > Except C-x 8 is nominally based on ISO 10646, so there=CA=BCs some kind of > underlying logic to the characters it supports. In what way it it based on Unicode? > Lars> Adding `C-x 8 ' s` for instance, wouldn't get in the way of any= thing > Lars> else, but would be helpful for those that have to write the > Lars> occasional... er... what is it? An s with a caron?=20=20 > > s with acute. But there are input methods where 's =3D> s with cedilla > (eg Romanian), so what's the logic for preferring Polish, especially > when we already have Polish/Czech/Romanian/latin-n methods etc for all > these characters? I wasn't aware that there was any kind of logic to the `C-x 8' map except "well, that's nice". =F0=9F=98=80 --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 29 09:49:40 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2021 14:49:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37623 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrhyO-0002vK-Ed for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 09:49:40 -0500 Received: from mail-wr1-f45.google.com ([209.85.221.45]:41853) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrhyM-0002v3-Bb for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 09:49:38 -0500 Received: by mail-wr1-f45.google.com with SMTP id a9so37386355wrr.8 for <52173@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 06:49:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=t8gJPNmSDe+DI7JqUHtL6fY6d6A9tgmaZFfp3LKODQw=; b=SoZleZ0h2JcsMpVkmLb6CAjsMFPLwkLGl6Zlm04HcDfk2hMm3FchFgnBjTVue6+FzB W1qRcZ8CesEHTSv7BjHNQS5j042BFbJ11+NcxU4+p8s2G4I7jMluqu2pUaRVplXhiEl1 Svd5085P3Pr8izVr6znXBaJlAOJmtCw64N3o5LUnKtsBuJ6mDQrAVuM8XmXKBl86Qatw MBLgdefXeXY+YNFfgEr+fdudPrZaLq10XyVHVq7Cn7ZM/Yt9Fk0KmiF1nyrm5xDcX8RT 9MVZdNlSqLi4NHuqBr4a5P9U282HKD4cW9knQ3ib7I8plMP+C8f4xqcTUMdjacjVNA3h vw7Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=t8gJPNmSDe+DI7JqUHtL6fY6d6A9tgmaZFfp3LKODQw=; b=sRWsxCGJCz+w/z1Y/nFLqg/ZupgdssYC/jhTc5a/wzA5LnX1ZiV+9NTZUvaDM+1N41 hoAEwemKgL4R6xhoxJ8/q2khSBGOqRn63GPZ3teeKL/myobHmfyVGmXhXSMjj7nN9DXj fbb0bCUrqg+xxIZAVtXQi6TWhmVjkMhH1IZCy1zHGSibGFeVGDJZcsstyLiImymYXM5x zF4CvvSNYjf+jxcYCdg6lrCVuoiBNIZQ5FnTGdi8ckVNffdh/Y0HxOiKjUaRyiqaHJ+K DjT67TJoljNDBUA22cDKkAURGgZp+PHw/bVdxKkMp5VtqvwnHOKMCmr4JSLuP+RSko0F Vzdg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530DTiPWckazbKBF022mAgQk//uHBcN4+Ds4/Qn+QDyGVZH3++Gn cYKceUhRJA7qVW2qjYvAQuI/CvK2s1I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx5QfDeqt3SQJom4evILXrcjzhpheZWLzxExM5+8eNVIYiDyD5y2lTIUvsOyuBb/VjjHjCXNQ== X-Received: by 2002:adf:d1e2:: with SMTP id g2mr34957990wrd.179.1638197372140; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 06:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from rltb ([2a01:e0a:3f3:fb50:452b:223a:73d6:af90]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m34sm25432242wms.25.2021.11.29.06.49.31 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 29 Nov 2021 06:49:31 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Pluim To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: <87r1az5a4n.fsf@gmail.com> <878rx7yr92.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee6z58ov.fsf@gmail.com> <87o863xbs9.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:49:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87o863xbs9.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:43:34 +0100") Message-ID: <87a6hn585g.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: Tor Kringeland , 52173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:43:34 +0100, Lars Ingebrigtsen said: Lars> Robert Pluim writes: >> Except C-x 8 is nominally based on ISO 10646, so there=CA=BCs some k= ind of >> underlying logic to the characters it supports. Lars> In what way it it based on Unicode? Sorry, ISO 8859-1, not 10646 Lars> Adding `C-x 8 ' s` for instance, wouldn't get in the way of anyth= ing Lars> else, but would be helpful for those that have to write the Lars> occasional... er... what is it? An s with a caron?=20=20 >>=20 >> s with acute. But there are input methods where 's =3D> s with cedil= la >> (eg Romanian), so what's the logic for preferring Polish, especially >> when we already have Polish/Czech/Romanian/latin-n methods etc for a= ll >> these characters? Lars> I wasn't aware that there was any kind of logic to the `C-x 8' map Lars> except "well, that's nice". =F0=9F=98=80 :-) Looking again at iso-transl.el, perhaps we could define a 'Polish' and 'Czech' language. But again this all duplicates existing infrastructure in input methods. Robert --=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 29 10:55:26 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2021 15:55:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39020 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrj01-0003GA-WB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 10:55:26 -0500 Received: from mail-wr1-f46.google.com ([209.85.221.46]:46863) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrizz-0003Fm-KV for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 10:55:24 -0500 Received: by mail-wr1-f46.google.com with SMTP id u1so37795115wru.13 for <52173@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 07:55:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gO39/SHoBhw2g0voza3KKo2uHMfPOpvlSy8GUUA5qBw=; b=JslCuDcq8/IEGjkgLzXxN2s+/zWcPEillnLF+l5KRlki3VzlTn57dv57HuZAc2ocAD nvhNpm2adC/gbQgeJD/Z0yY/E+fM1QqCdECNj28hYsKS+01cCk/cO+Ed8zmgu20FRSOX 0xUo35xqIIqs2te6d77RsKbCoq3R9RLwHZ4uu7sJ7Ql5ezLvBK92uDxxAo3Po2c8Zm9j GmiCPrcdHuuZt+6z87SdF3ba6K5jCyy5ZFnkDjRqiMO/adCfr8qfQN2l46R9Gw1RoZ2X 4JSX2Zp6bUc3SX2smFpjbj8s1yMCEEagJB8ow0iTgfT9YOeV4UnmufJYlTLyyJ+hxzCH Nwhw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gO39/SHoBhw2g0voza3KKo2uHMfPOpvlSy8GUUA5qBw=; b=zXDJZzH0MdEhK/KTd3wy4URR7SUPmd+MDsl/VQqsUfxeLKIxgtUduSvJeI764jRhhy 633SsSwG1UKdMO+f10W8S5li5QJxuuoRsGrUGrRh3thzDvRLMzHgJnWrIB3lI7sfbXtn OPT8mUGOjqMtG6tqXyRo+9TvAghe+J+vzNwZ3iAhGIORgZDo+LVxb+C9L2PTf04opJsB qGKd/ilOTdT3LTXEV+2Y3oCQBhqEsVr9qSWBM4eNHP9xT6MEuKwbOOnWFFcDi8LlevAd pwJHV4ickldsQ7Baw1Ecf7NFe2AOn1vYaeYaPzwzSE/unAq6lv0HjCd5qw69cg3shGNX Qajg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530GGyecajFchuwy3C1+aPURHtnP8LmuFc0yq3cowyqo7KqASk8b d6NGaYF7DzeMr4h22FWOrmZ9KO5n7o0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw9o8EnXtqMGthAlc2WzAE1k2gwkQBSkR8kYBnolPfdMKWju+0eyYFvUKahIf7sUtb+mktakA== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4883:: with SMTP id g3mr34682875wrq.590.1638201317604; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 07:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from guix-xps13 ([2001:818:daa9:6700:462d:384e:6de8:4a1c]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s8sm14870719wra.9.2021.11.29.07.55.16 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 29 Nov 2021 07:55:17 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_A=2E_Gomes?= To: Robert Pluim Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: <87r1az5a4n.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:55:16 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87r1az5a4n.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:06:48 +0100") Message-ID: <87k0grardn.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: Tor Kringeland , 52173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Robert Pluim writes: > What might be more useful is an input-method ring, so > you could quickly switch between 2 or more input methods. I agree. It should be easier to go from any 2 input methods defined by quail. I will add it to my todo. --=20 Andr=C3=A9 A. 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Gomes Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: <87r1az5a4n.fsf@gmail.com> <87k0grardn.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 17:52:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87k0grardn.fsf@gmail.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Andr=C3=A9?= A. Gomes"'s message of "Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:55:16 +0000") Message-ID: <875ysa6h0h.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: Tor Kringeland , 52173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:55:16 +0000, Andr=C3=A9 A. Gomes said: Andr=C3=A9> Robert Pluim writes: >> What might be more useful is an input-method ring, so >> you could quickly switch between 2 or more input methods. Andr=C3=A9> I agree. It should be easier to go from any 2 input method= s defined by Andr=C3=A9> quail. Andr=C3=A9> I will add it to my todo. A rough cut. Of course this should probably be part of `toggle-input-method= '. diff --git a/lisp/international/mule-cmds.el b/lisp/international/mule-cmds= .el index b922f192a9..4f385d5b79 100644 --- a/lisp/international/mule-cmds.el +++ b/lisp/international/mule-cmds.el @@ -1553,6 +1553,35 @@ set-input-method (defvar toggle-input-method-active nil "Non-nil inside `toggle-input-method'.") =20 +(if dump-mode + (load "emacs-lisp/ring") + (require 'ring)) +(defvar input-method-ring nil) +(defun update-input-method-ring (variable value) + (when (length> value 0) + (dolist (im value) + (when (not (assoc (symbol-name im) input-method-alist)) + (error "%S is not a known input method" im))) + (setq input-method-ring (ring-convert-sequence-to-ring value))) + (set-default variable value)) + +(defcustom input-method-list nil + "List of input methods to cycle through with `cycle-input-method'." + :type '(choice (const nil) + (repeat :tag "List of input methods" + (symbol :tag "Input method"))) + :group 'mule + :set #'update-input-method-ring + :version "29.1") + +(defun cycle-input-method () + "Cycle through `input-method-ring'." + (interactive) + (if (and current-input-method + (ring-member input-method-ring (intern current-input-method))) + (activate-input-method (ring-next input-method-ring (intern current-= input-method) )) + (activate-input-method (ring-ref input-method-ring 0)))) + (defun toggle-input-method (&optional arg interactive) "Enable or disable multilingual text input method for the current buffer. Only one input method can be enabled at any time in a given buffer. Robert --=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 29 12:03:26 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2021 17:03:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39161 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrk3p-0003QU-Ue for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 12:03:26 -0500 Received: from mail-wr1-f51.google.com ([209.85.221.51]:36619) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrk3o-0003QH-LB for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 12:03:24 -0500 Received: by mail-wr1-f51.google.com with SMTP id s13so38395828wrb.3 for <52173@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 09:03:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mMmiizHQ9/5O/kYlmHkPkpVPO1y0Rl3NSjiiUn8U4Vs=; b=Ks5lprXUDmY/AJ9b+XVBDBeasTn6RaWRtaGMZJzU1PtdEhHQBl1jrLmj2hk4kmT2FH 7PHlb1VOEkcHW3mjNi2BRcTdZLc52VcwbtX5CuBHsvL80a4ANyjuxOsXGMy1fc5h8L51 IVSGVOvYvXXeTqA0/7o9QZ7FkXToro1kJMZb+XlIRnb6LE8Emt9gOfJ+92oedbyhJBcM gwhk9byL86taqVMZ5pSOzfrKAIkDJZB6vH3uvpCmNP/NMKaMSbSZikiP9i+YZzeiT76j 8Ty7RkzbJK4wPaAX8kK29B0l7nl/WZxhDmVH6onn9jiH1LVS6BoQxDiS9PE2wMUcb0mq t0Ug== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mMmiizHQ9/5O/kYlmHkPkpVPO1y0Rl3NSjiiUn8U4Vs=; b=f+W4q2GzLwyi4rmnNpSS+hVveZWPH5aNOEMcNWpFPrFHYZBOkLPm2jIG0V6IcW018g DW7xn9ZZIraalYjJw9cPnsBmq9EYl1ddxYsOMWaGdHjCEOKisVjibffCJyI3MNIxBv9i ooY9loA/oQImeiNWDX2XLuhhyB6Ij+DXqg01CNaywxhzW7fn40Fsq/fYTleWmWrEmT5b ikDQljfPZ40gI5lpcycI1BApGs6FsNLt/5cg1pa8hiR4N9+w8jG4HeLtHvJwVCGg+TLU /LIt/jvCUBfGR6zlyesmAJYME5qO12WMm+KaOvRDNScpFEnjSI6wZAR96Rabfjfi1k9K d5cQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533SgMXHmRjbnZHimxmWrHVjih+t9gU1/uKeiZIi6leFEZn19ZXm Gf4be6i+jbzRfq3mZrwKdj1IS+aTQPg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy4IbIfGrHfuDpLP66+nlzKlCKzKM1hmvRRZ22V1YP9RAeXklekTAIfKtMGzdEUFPfTScWvbQ== X-Received: by 2002:adf:9d88:: with SMTP id p8mr36365635wre.140.1638205398830; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 09:03:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from guix-xps13 ([2001:818:daa9:6700:462d:384e:6de8:4a1c]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j40sm22673456wms.19.2021.11.29.09.03.17 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 29 Nov 2021 09:03:18 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_A=2E_Gomes?= To: Robert Pluim Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: <87r1az5a4n.fsf@gmail.com> <87k0grardn.fsf@gmail.com> <875ysa6h0h.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 17:03:17 +0000 In-Reply-To: <875ysa6h0h.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Mon, 29 Nov 2021 17:52:46 +0100") Message-ID: <87fsrec2sq.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: Tor Kringeland , 52173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Robert Pluim writes: >>>>>> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:55:16 +0000, Andr=C3=A9 A. Gomes said: > > Andr=C3=A9> Robert Pluim writes: > >> What might be more useful is an input-method ring, so > >> you could quickly switch between 2 or more input methods. > > Andr=C3=A9> I agree. It should be easier to go from any 2 input meth= ods defined by > Andr=C3=A9> quail. > > Andr=C3=A9> I will add it to my todo. > > A rough cut. Of course this should probably be part of `toggle-input-meth= od'. Am I right in thinking that the ring doesn't cycle through the state of having no IM selected? IMO, `cycle-input-method' should deprecate `toggle-input-method', since the latter is the same as the former when what you call `input-method-list' has one element. --=20 Andr=C3=A9 A. 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Gomes Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: <87r1az5a4n.fsf@gmail.com> <87k0grardn.fsf@gmail.com> <875ysa6h0h.fsf@gmail.com> <87fsrec2sq.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 18:19:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87fsrec2sq.fsf@gmail.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Andr=C3=A9?= A. Gomes"'s message of "Mon, 29 Nov 2021 17:03:17 +0000") Message-ID: <871r2y6fs9.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: Tor Kringeland , 52173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 17:03:17 +0000, Andr=C3=A9 A. Gomes said: Andr=C3=A9> Robert Pluim writes: >>>>>>> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:55:16 +0000, Andr=C3=A9 A. Gomes said: >>=20 Andr=C3=A9> Robert Pluim writes: >> >> What might be more useful is an input-method ring, so >> >> you could quickly switch between 2 or more input methods. >>=20 Andr=C3=A9> I agree. It should be easier to go from any 2 input method= s defined by Andr=C3=A9> quail. >>=20 Andr=C3=A9> I will add it to my todo. >>=20 >> A rough cut. Of course this should probably be part of `toggle-input= -method'. Andr=C3=A9> Am I right in thinking that the ring doesn't cycle through = the state of Andr=C3=A9> having no IM selected? IMO, `cycle-input-method' should de= precate Andr=C3=A9> `toggle-input-method', since the latter is the same as the = former when Andr=C3=A9> what you call `input-method-list' has one element. Yes, that=CA=BCs what it does. It should probably have a 'nil' element in there as well. I=CA=BCm not sure about deprecating `toggle-input-method', I was thinking more along the lines of "C-- C-\" meaning "cycle".=20 Robert --=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 29 12:22:29 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2021 17:22:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39209 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrkMH-0003vn-MS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 12:22:29 -0500 Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.199]:60483) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrkMF-0003vX-3l for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 12:22:28 -0500 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 24B11FF809; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 17:22:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Tor Kringeland Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' Organization: LINKOV.NET References: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 19:09:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Tor Kringeland's message of "Mon, 29 Nov 2021 04:08:54 +0100") Message-ID: <865ysb0wu1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: 52173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > `ś' is a character used in /e.g./ Polish. Currently `C-x 8 ' s' is not > bound. Could this be added (along with the capitalized variant)? Whereas adding this to `C-x 8 ' s' would be fine, an existing alternative is to type `C-x \ ' s' after selecting the input method `compose'. Also cycling input methods proposed by Robert would be nice - desktop/window managers support cycling by typing the keyboard-layout switching key several times when 3 or more layouts are selected. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 29 13:11:41 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2021 18:11:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39289 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrl7t-0005D8-5E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:11:41 -0500 Received: from mailgw201.it.ntnu.no ([129.241.56.178]:50112) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrl7p-0005Cy-Sw for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:11:39 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ntnu.no; i=@ntnu.no; q=dns/txt; s=s1-1909-ntnu; t=1638209496; h=from : to : cc : subject : in-reply-to : references : date : message-id : mime-version : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : from; bh=DT2d5z6eWPhGww+EkS3gfpUcHTuZjgHsB1McNLtvuV4=; b=hEfN3y00d6EHLbfup/b+zD1tVIdkGj6BF/kbfrCQQCHunOVDcZPjtHjBoa1/8SOMIfhUv cHxFhPgl+vBAY7WSXH4mUGS86ZiMp8YcTGCUsl75uz+zozhyUo/jY0VIq3lpey4O+6QMs4p y2nOLkwrMiOGwDsOtJYBJF08Jv1kljvzmR4Wc6d3qY512954182aYiY4/ap55jSjoWbI8Ya NK/m2m0M3SFpXgMLzlG0g0kOvkThy3ilv9lOjVrxEfavGnSFrC7Tb24D0XQPCcwiefU204w qm1gEZ6tg2tUBTGiXDkXp2SRLShchlW83gTGx8H1xy1ybvn1c/NESPCDRSww== Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw201.it.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07821902D89; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 19:11:36 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailgw201.it.ntnu.no X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.59 X-Spam-Level: Received: from mailgw201.it.ntnu.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailgw201.it.ntnu.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TEspPwZ4Wft8; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 19:11:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (unknown [91.219.215.154]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: takringe@ntnu.no) by mailgw201.it.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 64B2A902924; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 19:11:35 +0100 (CET) From: Tor Kringeland To: Robert Pluim , Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' In-Reply-To: <87a6hn585g.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87r1az5a4n.fsf@gmail.com> <878rx7yr92.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee6z58ov.fsf@gmail.com> <87o863xbs9.fsf@gnus.org> <87a6hn585g.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 19:11:33 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: 52173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Robert Pluim writes: >>>>>> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:43:34 +0100, Lars Ingebrigtsen said: > > Lars> Robert Pluim writes: > >> Except C-x 8 is nominally based on ISO 10646, so there=CA=BCs some= kind of > >> underlying logic to the characters it supports. > > Lars> In what way it it based on Unicode? > > Sorry, ISO 8859-1, not 10646 > > Lars> Adding `C-x 8 ' s` for instance, wouldn't get in the way of any= thing > Lars> else, but would be helpful for those that have to write the > Lars> occasional... er... what is it? An s with a caron?=20=20 > >>=20 > >> s with acute. But there are input methods where 's =3D> s with ced= illa > >> (eg Romanian), so what's the logic for preferring Polish, especial= ly > >> when we already have Polish/Czech/Romanian/latin-n methods etc for= all > >> these characters? > > Lars> I wasn't aware that there was any kind of logic to the `C-x 8' = map > Lars> except "well, that's nice". =F0=9F=98=80 > > :-) > > Looking again at iso-transl.el, perhaps we could define a 'Polish' and > 'Czech' language. But again this all duplicates existing > infrastructure in input methods. > > Robert > --=20 I think the usage area of having commands like `C-x 8 ' s' is that it's intuitive (it's what you expect given the behavior of similar key-bindings and how the command looks "visually", which gives this merit; with cedilla `C-x 8 , s' makes more sense) and it does not require you to be aware of the specific input method. For example, you could quickly "Skowro=C5=84ski" correctly (with the diacritical mark, and n= ot without, which is often the "compromise" --- I've been in this situation several times with Emacs) without being aware that the character is used in Polish. Names like these are common to write in English now, which is why I think `C-x 8' is so convenient, for producing, say, "B=C3=B6lmer" = or "Fl=C3=B8gstad" without having to switch to a German or Norwegian input method. Of course if you do write some text in Polish it'd be cumbersome to use `C-x 8' all the time and you ought to use a relevant input method (and cycling through input methods for multilingual writing is a very nice idea). The usage cases here are distinct, in my mind. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 29 13:44:22 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2021 18:44:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39355 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrldV-0008Ho-PK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:44:21 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:33198) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrldU-0008HY-GP for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:44:21 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=2HeZzDGef6EYTkYL0XdEMJDW0SuovGJcPVFkhU99YDU=; b=E84VZcE3O/zPEPs7omJU4vFGes 50Oa96C4lLZ5Jl+LVHtLnOH+TakJBSak2XBf1+Sxwbg9jzwYuz2gjN0Zcj2fITG6X+dpWbJcYXpZP 40CzDO3CCx9ICGCK8kYhVFs7CFJWMTzEAVJTCRaDAyp636KfCWx+E/KMZy78SJ1Vk5BE=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mrldE-0007RC-AJ; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 19:44:06 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Tor Kringeland Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: <87r1az5a4n.fsf@gmail.com> <878rx7yr92.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee6z58ov.fsf@gmail.com> <87o863xbs9.fsf@gnus.org> <87a6hn585g.fsf@gmail.com> X-Now-Playing: Leslie Winer's _When I Hit You, You'll Feel It_: "Tree" Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 19:44:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Tor Kringeland's message of "Mon, 29 Nov 2021 19:11:33 +0100") Message-ID: <87wnkqssy6.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Tor Kringeland writes: > Names like these are common to write in English now, which > is why I think `C-x 8' is so convenient, for producing, say, "Bölmer" or > "Fløgstad" without having to switch to a German or Norwegian [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: Robert Pluim , 52173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Tor Kringeland writes: > Names like these are common to write in English now, which > is why I think `C-x 8' is so convenient, for producing, say, "B=C3=B6lmer= " or > "Fl=C3=B8gstad" without having to switch to a German or Norwegian input > method. > > Of course if you do write some text in Polish it'd be cumbersome to use > `C-x 8' all the time and you ought to use a relevant input method (and > cycling through input methods for multilingual writing is a very nice > idea). > > The usage cases here are distinct, in my mind. Yup. So I think adding more things to iso-transl-char-map is fine (as long as we don't go totally overboard). I.e., I think we should add things here as people request them.=20=20 --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 03 10:55:54 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Dec 2021 15:55:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52008 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtAug-00019S-AJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 10:55:54 -0500 Received: from mailgw101.it.ntnu.no ([129.241.56.177]:34588) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtAud-00019G-T6 for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 10:55:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ntnu.no; i=@ntnu.no; q=dns/txt; s=s1-1909-ntnu; t=1638546950; h=from : to : cc : subject : in-reply-to : references : date : message-id : mime-version : content-type : from; bh=76R6usFlaYvCd113/sXMfdUIgH29YPxYLZIoWDEDOPg=; b=ai/KGyVn+/Dj8Tx8QeW+bZYRD9kU4mYLztwwLWmB71dvjwhRDg7FVKYsqZJ/RuL9HXPFA YMu3TExn3rjyit4c2fFl79eqKpwNmjjIY7aHtsQvjjvtuJuxHKtckp6aapKlxmuKx69DBcx S9AEuoxUhMAE/EzjHAjLtacV1Y6HXhBr1eI+mMkeduhYSACldr+X9VzVWrBZYMu0ciPuHYe 86Ar6a0zq39ZKMWal6/UCymbQ9q/WJhHXTSoZSjC4lQh3PWja004ndxOrAThVlBiy/k28nT 6zEjEMpE+aVpVUvoRLVo2pcZvAKvMpowLJzSlqWLsYnbYwlcHkkdouARBvlA== Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw101.it.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF421DE2249; Fri, 3 Dec 2021 16:55:50 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailgw101.it.ntnu.no X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.59 X-Spam-Level: Received: from mailgw101.it.ntnu.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailgw101.it.ntnu.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rMYq21p30Bil; Fri, 3 Dec 2021 16:55:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (unknown [91.219.215.154]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: takringe@ntnu.no) by mailgw101.it.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DDE21DE01C7; Fri, 3 Dec 2021 16:55:49 +0100 (CET) From: Tor Kringeland To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' In-Reply-To: <87wnkqssy6.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87r1az5a4n.fsf@gmail.com> <878rx7yr92.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee6z58ov.fsf@gmail.com> <87o863xbs9.fsf@gnus.org> <87a6hn585g.fsf@gmail.com> <87wnkqssy6.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2021 16:55:48 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: Robert Pluim , 52173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Yup. So I think adding more things to iso-transl-char-map is fine (as > long as we don't go totally overboard). I sent a patch earlier in the discussion. Is it acceptable? 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Tor Kringeland writes: > I'm attaching a patch for `C-x 8' to include with Polish characters. > It's missing `ż', for which I cannot of a good key-binding for (`C-x 8 .' > is taken). Any ideas? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: Robert Pluim , 52173@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Tor Kringeland writes: > I'm attaching a patch for `C-x 8' to include with Polish characters. > It's missing `=C5=BC', for which I cannot of a good key-binding for (`C-x= 8 .' > is taken). Any ideas? Thanks; applied to Emacs 29. I doubt that `C-x 8 .' is used extremely frequently, so I've now moved it to `C-x 8 . .', so that we can open up that useful map to more characters. (And put `=C5=BC' there.) --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 03 11:44:30 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Dec 2021 16:44:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52114 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtBfi-00073P-AR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 11:44:30 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:54304) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtBfh-00072w-9i for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 11:44:29 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=LltZ6zJ97jf//Vtpo4mPrWA5+wffc0BU7lWQe7EagqU=; b=pyrY8V7kOEdvFW2X9baJ/H/Vde rwpfwum3WXrk4e/9bWDLudOGmMPm6mtDS5c2aq30+ybiOKewLZN8cl+BdH6gaLIYqKk2wVt+5V9VF RprG9Tbut2o8o0mP0UZtnyqBTWbdMlDQiFtsmYjgGcax5KghwIvCy92MrD7LDxDqrNKI=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mtBfZ-0004ap-Cq for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 17:44:23 +0100 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2021 17:44:20 +0100 Message-Id: <877dclwsd7.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #52173 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: close 52173 29.1 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) close 52173 29.1 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 04 00:46:19 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2021 05:46:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52788 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtNsJ-0005hg-F9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:46:19 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34854) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtNsG-0005az-T4 for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:46:17 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=50778 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtNsB-00072f-3f; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:46:11 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=pj2vJAnKIEyf2cxfyZK/h3Cb6nZWwBoSzrt6qnimYlc=; b=fIbY6BeY4wHl J1RPGoYUzQbs/hht9YhGdZs6XXL84rqjWrewnW5JpPZbwlfJabVVka8GqjhHrBt7Y/1Q4Mb4gBH4i rWLxIzJaPiCAlwpvd0Rhl5B0r2eO0cXEndFDS78PkJ/txnuJ6aJEa9ZwWmcBKTyBn0GhpwOAxx4YN aedLy5WQ/xgyUCDI5+qqiznTN6IKoNRtebZV090QkBJh/vvmb+iwV9PB4XepSBpaJMkT3Zz3Lzdz4 cbQ3Q28dn0pmsrQvINyUqPJs0W4vMtV9AqTvegY3uXk70uHj1ZqYrtGQvU60sKEGzSEHwKjYCapYz EDeiH0Z4XKdl5SwP+UySsQ==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtNs2-0006z5-T0; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:46:08 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <878rx1wsdg.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 03 Dec 2021 17:44:11 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?iso-8859-1?Q?`=C5=9B'?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: <878rx1wsdg.fsf@gnus.org> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:46:02 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: tor.a.s.kringeland@ntnu.no, 52173@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I doubt that `C-x 8 .' is used extremely frequently, so I've now moved > it to `C-x 8 . .', Please don't make that change. Characters like centerdot are the sort of thing that C-x 8 CHAR is meant for. It is the natural way to enter them. Input methods don't include centerdot, so the way to get it is with C-x 8 . The Polish input methods should handle ż. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 04 00:56:27 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2021 05:56:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52792 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtO27-00071j-IM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:56:27 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:32916) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtO24-00071U-8v for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:56:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=g9HGExFKTmsNKxLSIF/lpLz6BstjYxMpxsr/sHqq9v4=; b=pW2yXFAZ8HwXt5+sX/DVSLX/xh SuySeR/gLikSgDrfXRNKpGZkDklawGnQqqMgJbQuONBYZFLnV9N4izZcnI5r7lQpx4+ukLUYLtDPR NCdZvPB8Znx+11Z+9d+hWuH0W1G36YF/HtRJKSSaoYDtTZKiqBFE5PZxWjDyNckcKpts=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mtO1t-00030V-El; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 06:56:17 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?B?YMOF4oC6Jw==?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: <878rx1wsdg.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEW4vMGTemtmV07/ ///tNYxrAAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+UMBAUoKK7snnwAAAFLSURBVCjPfZGxboMwEIbP Fc6QiVZxpeRpDgmWTljyWTJTBxjwU3TJTiWIRKYOgMQ9ZYGgiEZt/+m+u/Od/RvgP8lNTLJQeAtz 5a5FRnTLj27ga2XrGXxRDjw2aKsJRvLMIzdmaUuziYZ6nbbLKLmPfuXNntO8NFghgBDCGdSNjVha 1toq3F45/ROC8OF1wU9E+F0CxeEhpe61Lcw6bmIzgdQoJKYRgJ7tiuLpjICn4XNu2C8W77mDkc2p hhDjfZnDxZqskZXQie+AdvhSPWOqkXv4Ik3ng3BETEBOZ61NIkccQ6vA97on0mygexcZAimzYwuD kjqSKEpmBmtIEfVUCE6goDRB0RSWGWHw9lzlxymeAI2UUxdkbZ+AFqkkcik4fgPjZ5tkhOBisGO+ uCyQEOZ/to2vA3H5gL4oHcjj9Hu+ASbynlvZq1P3DefQZ2Ha/y7uAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0 ZQAyMDIxLTEyLTA0VDA1OjQwOjQwKzAwOjAw9+q9aQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMS0x Mi0wNFQwNTo0MDo0MCswMDowMIa3BdUAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Genesis's _Foxtrot_: "Supper's Ready" Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2021 06:56:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:46:02 -0500") Message-ID: <87bl1wq5fn.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > > I doubt that `C-x 8 .' is used extremely frequently, so I've now moved > > it to `C-x 8 . .', > > Please don't make that change. > > Characters like centerdot are the sort of thing that C-x 8 CHAR [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: tor.a.s.kringeland@ntnu.no, 52173@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Richard Stallman writes: > > I doubt that `C-x 8 .' is used extremely frequently, so I've now moved > > it to `C-x 8 . .', > > Please don't make that change. > > Characters like centerdot are the sort of thing that C-x 8 CHAR is meant for. > It is the natural way to enter them. You can still enter centerdot with `C-x 8'. You just have to repeat the dot. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 05 00:07:34 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Dec 2021 05:07:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56029 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtjkL-0004KJ-RF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 00:07:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:32942) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtjkK-0004K5-Kh for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 00:07:33 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=58530 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtjkE-0003UR-Sb; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 00:07:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=5Jvl2X1zljoQt24zZxsUUHsjW0U4H7hINMbja1dHBYg=; b=k5LhkB/gmSg1 yU9wLJzO0KmhZ4miI7NJil5hjtD9pyzgHljKCEl6uoblq7jR3QPSBwhN/eHBAiFwbP1rZGJzduHjl 6g62ysK2kBcGQ7lmiwA9oNfbzsgkCxQ/XVcufOMnILi/yfOpJ64OoYU05F8U9T7lucQoDqapMNLXM Y00238txwaJZ9DA77oIrx9VxkuGcfej1yM2Qlv1BNHFmRxFazWgsk0YV+ojkJo9Z3/YaBtW3iJNh5 3Ipxqq3y2Ns7UOCpW7TLF7fC3/9l7W+kMBARidRXH0IROamPHJH186dgQ2a2V89n5whyJqHwsxp3w b5jjQKoiKwuQLJi2MtZ5CQ==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtjkD-0004xq-DV; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 00:07:26 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87bl1wq5fn.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sat, 04 Dec 2021 06:56:12 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?iso-8859-1?Q?`=C3=85=E2=80=BA'?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: <878rx1wsdg.fsf@gnus.org> <87bl1wq5fn.fsf@gnus.org> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 00:07:25 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: tor.a.s.kringeland@ntnu.no, 52173@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > You can still enter centerdot with `C-x 8'. You just have to repeat the > dot. Ok, it is not a disaster. But it's an incompatible change. Is the incompatibility necessary? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 05 00:10:36 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Dec 2021 05:10:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56033 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtjnI-0004Oz-AN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 00:10:36 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:46052) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtjnG-0004Om-RC for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 00:10:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=hpP+5XBGRbNCGK6GZF3nKR1KjdnBZy7JighhWcQ2X8Y=; b=qmp8ELu4WkRiXdQraiAmDIHY6g ez/3npCrvrQSSK7dlbBf8YJp8u98PzD/Z1YItbIrNGS3Yrg/126fjhtR6Gd523N0dP64PEIf5idDT t0Gguow4mAEl/JqoiHyFYLTNRPipnMrGT+TlK2tvT6XejFw99V+hRnR7t08sO7FW3r7M=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mtjn7-0004T1-Qy; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:10:28 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?B?YMOD4oCmw6LigqzCuic=?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: <878rx1wsdg.fsf@gnus.org> <87bl1wq5fn.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEUaFBRbPTSTZEq+ n4b///9UFFcIAAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+UMBQUHNv5D/BcAAAGvSURBVDjLpVQJbsQw CDTZDwD7gYA/0MD//9bBdg5VrVqpKNrEDOeAtzVu3wvt3ykFP/wTsD7rIcg8+hdDaguQdYaG14ub nG6/CwnkrgWH9RJRt3miCxh6xqfIw4NlCruLXsFILnln+iPNDXQAPAxvDy3bLKCdtU19COIPgPQJ 9ENMLTOEtyaPQg93ay6dUdle0RegFcU274p4SEN2Aig0gzLUtYC2PNReBXBHCe8oYFJCwupIX42b ik6AHISYehqyoxdVnVtAxtRT0QHMUZt1rwoBcNugxYMEaoxGJwABRYa8iGfcXAHsY7goP8CfywBK D17GqoAprbzQCJXe5za5Rw8PK1sTqwGzVFWeABCmvEKO6re4gm/CnkB3TaTbCIlkFMjdA4xuiIP6 ECkFK0qIEl4fVKqEA9gBLZTotx9jp6HrGHLIBGCf+yQUA4HXcQNyzItCmFTx4FUVWLJ3AftMWEUW WQT2ND/WnSimok/AUHCeywd+/UCIsXFbWlyLrGgvFoBgHzdARdha+ZQLQP8+mJ6DelwjVtOYt4fb +9aT1NDXtWqvx3/AeSP+em//JZ+t20YWgZsQdAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMS0xMi0w NVQwNTowNzo1NCswMDowMDNiYI4AAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjEtMTItMDVUMDU6MDc6 NTQrMDA6MDBCP9gyAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Kraftwerk's _Trans-Europe Express_: "Trans-Europe Express" Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:10:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 05 Dec 2021 00:07:25 -0500") Message-ID: <87mtlfsklc.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > Ok, it is not a disaster. But it's an incompatible change. > Is the incompatibility necessary? I think so, yes. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: tor.a.s.kringeland@ntnu.no, 52173@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Richard Stallman writes: > Ok, it is not a disaster. But it's an incompatible change. > Is the incompatibility necessary? I think so, yes. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 05 23:34:01 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Dec 2021 04:34:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60229 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mu5hR-0004RJ-GW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 23:34:01 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56560) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mu5hP-0004R7-9i for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 23:33:59 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=37112 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mu5hJ-0007Kt-II; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 23:33:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=K3FpjTITpOr800j15gEul5Sthg3mvZVshffeeCMf1UU=; b=BjEHddMPqMss ecqCcVJ1m4GTg+vPFG2V+8PIbDFr2E+k1oeCNTRDIUqG/Uqdoz8QKGqN6vaZLkzFuOR9GVWFOqOib BVBuq+NT/tfJOdK4KeUCdDaOJhcQ/ApSYWYotHD2yVaV/DsKHhT56t5gVE1jiQwF+ZeySN2034dPF TE0Vid1F2SaPiqzK0H18Rkx4/uttGybi2WAhxvBYl9CoulGgoKJdT/OxalmAiuP098u65aFpQOYke B/ldcHKTsExARdAcrCj8rAazd+zShA+1i98VCv6o/kvjvmXyMIXNMIeDSvrhJwoCRCRSeedpmeWsB dr/zCHa7prFnKfTgD6RwhA==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mu5hJ-0007sQ-Jo; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 23:33:53 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87mtlfsklc.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:10:23 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?iso-8859-1?Q?`=C3=83=E2=80=A6=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C2?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=BA'?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: <878rx1wsdg.fsf@gnus.org> <87bl1wq5fn.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtlfsklc.fsf@gnus.org> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 23:33:53 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: tor.a.s.kringeland@ntnu.no, 52173@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Ok, it is not a disaster. But it's an incompatible change. > > Is the incompatibility necessary? > I think so, yes. Would you please present an argument in favor of the change? There might be a good reason, I just didn't see one stated here. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 06 00:05:03 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Dec 2021 05:05:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60263 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mu6BM-0005IE-7M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 00:05:03 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:60196) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mu6BD-0005Hq-Gj for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 00:04:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=djfwexn1/ocNlyXr7Bj7HGxD/iZkp5qieefJyMyvv6M=; b=MNYS75JhY44O8xQ+C91KECN3IF B1110m2WOd38hzeZNpOolUL9FSqWUIbQu8MEPr8HFeE2M1M74Ln7muB4DMlW5lEz3eXfmSrA51UxZ 46bfE30X28wYYtHyn4T17Z80hT8QdeEbX+PiiJCNtLRwtdKV8pr8B1rqzOZ7d0FnZwYE=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mu6B4-0002A3-AZ; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 06:04:40 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?B?YMODxpLDouKCrMKmw4PCosOi4oCawqzDgsK6Jw==?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: <878rx1wsdg.fsf@gnus.org> <87bl1wq5fn.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtlfsklc.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEXj6Nr2+/m1vrdy ka8iJir///8Xv2xaAAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+UMBgUECAa6HZEAAAGzSURBVDjLXZTt lQMhCEXRpACcacDgFjARC8ju0H9NC6LzEX8kOVwReD4DIdlCGCvPH+CgryMGkTKc8YAQekLMd4AJ yx47yFeAL2wyAF3A0vYmDmCjTBM8pK+ZcYARFyHLqEQDlBmXzTK2PMDziMtfAHhu4MD37wTNgYYN xB+PW8ciHwURcyHYRztdmtVBtaPG2S8fUraQRlce/x1ytRwAgSLFAeb8KwRKgaKe1vt5ndJrjUA2 pki9XYllFBtfarosDCECVgOYbgBCTEux+0rfAELo13sHWiSG9G0GB90UUSW5kwDTLCL5njJtZpdz AxjcfibI+1pjCW69m1Qj4wS/XwAn2C8TKohHxlnFwLKbumwWkL8DRLVqjV0StJR6ASmSa9XOwxCi BaqDVY7DMLJ+6jtwdcv0CZYm2u1SB0ij5ZX1W8FayQG6n3U7czO11T1Xt++scTsSuc4b7I3pfu61 gPWp+T2txztgA9bW6H+GuYOnVh9gvKlaFAA++AGfMXGvwsT8TtlsDUO+2CQzaZzfqEMs2wTAEtQ0 lfht/xf8AZe1VANAhXkzoCZ1oMOJ2YwHAPgHbVl6Dnn0aKEAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIw MjEtMTItMDZUMDU6MDQ6MDcrMDA6MDCIlXuGAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTEyLTA2 VDA1OjA0OjA3KzAwOjAw+cjDOgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: David Bowie's _Lodger_: "Repetition" Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2021 06:04:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 05 Dec 2021 23:33:53 -0500") Message-ID: <87tufmpbmk.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > Would you please present an argument in favor of the change? > There might be a good reason, I just didn't see one stated here. `C-x 8 .' is useful for a prefix for a number of characters that we might want to add in the future. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: tor.a.s.kringeland@ntnu.no, 52173@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Richard Stallman writes: > Would you please present an argument in favor of the change? > There might be a good reason, I just didn't see one stated here. `C-x 8 .' is useful for a prefix for a number of characters that we might want to add in the future. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 06 12:40:09 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Dec 2021 17:40:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35348 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1muHyD-0001R5-15 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 12:40:09 -0500 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:48865) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1muHyA-0001QS-Ve for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 12:40:07 -0500 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A0D67E0010; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 17:39:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?utf-8?B?YMODxpLDouKCrMKmw4PCosOi4oCawqzDgsK6Jw==?= character not available using `C-x 8' Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878rx1wsdg.fsf@gnus.org> <87bl1wq5fn.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtlfsklc.fsf@gnus.org> <87tufmpbmk.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2021 19:38:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87tufmpbmk.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 06 Dec 2021 06:04:35 +0100") Message-ID: <8635n5y6p2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: tor.a.s.kringeland@ntnu.no, 52173@debbugs.gnu.org, Richard Stallman , rpluim@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> Would you please present an argument in favor of the change? >> There might be a good reason, I just didn't see one stated here. > > `C-x 8 .' is useful for a prefix for a number of characters that we > might want to add in the future. Here's a list of characters that could be added for the prefix ".": grep "(\"\." lisp/leim/quail/compose.el (".>" ?›) (".<" ?‹) (".." ?…) (".-" ?·) (".^" ?·) (".=" ?•) (".C" ?Ċ) (".c" ?ċ) (".E" ?Ė) (".e" ?ė) (".G" ?Ġ) (".g" ?ġ) (".I" ?İ) (".i" ?ı) (".Z" ?Ż) (".z" ?ż) (".A" ?Ȧ) (".a" ?ȧ) (".O" ?Ȯ) (".o" ?ȯ) (".B" ?Ḃ) (".b" ?ḃ) (".D" ?Ḋ) (".d" ?ḋ) (".F" ?Ḟ) (".f" ?ḟ) (".H" ?Ḣ) (".h" ?ḣ) (".M" ?Ṁ) (".m" ?ṁ) (".N" ?Ṅ) (".n" ?ṅ) (".P" ?Ṗ) (".p" ?ṗ) (".R" ?Ṙ) (".r" ?ṙ) (".S" ?Ṡ) (".s" ?ṡ) (".Ś" ?Ṥ) (".´S" ?Ṥ) (".'S" ?Ṥ) (".ś" ?ṥ) (".´s" ?ṥ) (".'s" ?ṥ) (".Š" ?Ṧ) (".š" ?ṧ) (".Ṣ" ?Ṩ) (".!S" ?Ṩ) (".ṣ" ?ṩ) (".!s" ?ṩ) (".T" ?Ṫ) (".t" ?ṫ) (".W" ?Ẇ) (".w" ?ẇ) (".X" ?Ẋ) (".x" ?ẋ) (".Y" ?Ẏ) (".y" ?ẏ) (".ſ" ?ẛ) (".○" ?⊙) (".:" ?∵) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 06 23:16:59 2021 Received: (at 52173) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Dec 2021 04:16:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35886 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1muRuU-0003Ko-R8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 23:16:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38168) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1muRuG-0003KO-3s for 52173@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 23:16:56 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=54176 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muRuA-0007Kt-3g; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 23:16:38 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=NpuevDYbEXouwL7pbCfnmuAjNtbLf7ei9CwK1wsXL14=; b=Sf8iGZp1zpLx I1RJdXD05BbiVavxeVTBLPc+BtJKJp9GDG0PmOnr9rZAMTb4nbPacfsENb5YqYojsM7LM2zW4C7au md38/VnGlvuAwNP1VYqexK52AhjG1mvD/XS6EqevV51GWDK1mRWoVtBNS0APvF+2U6EGfHJhRZf7E EF4qi7xRSeZnDFFLPfLr+SHwNMA9Y/Kwcn21fu6rymUzYH3nVEhotn1bCQkyP3j2/cESy6NcvzP6M evrjDhdL0j0qvd1+Yf5u8uESXkSpCw8zyn6zOPpjEk9vUxWGmeCQ6BuGIeXbRvSN4/qPHVaveMiRu ny/Mppwd5M7YyKxrFhIdeQ==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muRu9-0005Tz-A2; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 23:16:37 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Juri Linkov In-Reply-To: <8635n5y6p2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Mon, 06 Dec 2021 19:38:33 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#52173: =?iso-8859-1?Q?`=C3=83=C6=92=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C2=A6?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C3=83=C2=A2=C3=A2=E2=80=9A=C2=AC=C3=82=C2=BA'?= character not available using `C-x 8' References: <878rx1wsdg.fsf@gnus.org> <87bl1wq5fn.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtlfsklc.fsf@gnus.org> <87tufmpbmk.fsf@gnus.org> <8635n5y6p2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2021 23:16:37 -0500 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52173 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 52173@debbugs.gnu.org, tor.a.s.kringeland@ntnu.no, rpluim@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Here's a list of characters that could be added for the prefix ".": It never occurred to me there were so many dot characters. I feel I'm going dotty! -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Tue Aug 19 14:22:17 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2022 12:24:07 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator