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29.0.50; Gnus buffers unexpectedly killed by project-kill-buffers

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From: Matthias Meulien <orontee <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 29.0.50; Gnus buffers unexpectedly killed by project-kill-buffers
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 21:54:39 +0100

1. Open a "project" file, say emacs in ~/Sources/emacs/lisp/outline.el
where ~/Sources/emacs contains GNU Emacs sources

2. From the buffer visiting outline.el, start reading mail with gnus

3. Switch back to outline.el buffer and call project-kill-buffers

4. Gnus buffers like *Group*, .newsrc-dribble, etc. are killed. This is
unexpected.

I've seen that the default-directory of *Group*, .newsrc-dribble,
etc. buffers is ~/Sources/emacs/lisp. But the project-kill-buffers logic
is based on buffer default-directory having the project root as
prefix. Thus *Group*, .newsrc-dribble, etc. buffers are killed by
project-kill-buffers.



In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 3, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.24, cairo version 1.16.0)
 of 2021-11-27 built on carbon
Repository revision: 338f7802373f1cfcc1b3749bbd46091fdef727f4
Repository branch: master
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12011000
System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)

Configured using:
 'configure --with-native-compilation'

Configured features:
ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG
JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY
INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS
X11 XDBE XIM XPM GTK3 ZLIB

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: fr_FR.UTF-8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: ELisp/l

Minor modes in effect:
  bug-reference-prog-mode: t
  display-line-numbers-mode: t
  highlight-changes-mode: t
  shell-dirtrack-mode: t
  minions-mode: t
  global-company-mode: t
  company-mode: t
  outline-minor-mode: t
  desktop-save-mode: t
  save-place-mode: t
  electric-pair-mode: t
  icomplete-mode: t
  global-so-long-mode: t
  global-auto-revert-mode: t
  auto-insert-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
  global-eldoc-mode: t
  eldoc-mode: t
  show-paren-mode: t
  electric-layout-mode: t
  electric-indent-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  tab-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  context-menu-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  window-divider-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t
  abbrev-mode: t

Load-path shadows:
/home/matthias/.config/emacs/elpa/transient-20211105.100/transient hides /usr/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/transient
/home/matthias/.config/emacs/elpa/dictionary-20201001.1727/dictionary hides /usr/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/net/dictionary

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Memory information:
((conses 16 2441288 968693)
 (symbols 48 52799 45)
 (strings 32 380048 37832)
 (string-bytes 1 13137332)
 (vectors 16 119634)
 (vector-slots 8 2757532 884272)
 (floats 8 764 2067)
 (intervals 56 218793 3395)
 (buffers 992 165))

-- 
Matthias

Message #8 received at 52168 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Matthias Meulien <orontee <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Philip K <philip <at> warpmail.net>, 52168 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
Subject: Re: bug#52168: 29.0.50; Gnus buffers unexpectedly killed by
 project-kill-buffers
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 16:27:56 +0100

Matthias Meulien <orontee <at> gmail.com> writes:

> 1. Open a "project" file, say emacs in ~/Sources/emacs/lisp/outline.el
> where ~/Sources/emacs contains GNU Emacs sources
>
> 2. From the buffer visiting outline.el, start reading mail with gnus
>
> 3. Switch back to outline.el buffer and call project-kill-buffers
>
> 4. Gnus buffers like *Group*, .newsrc-dribble, etc. are killed. This is
> unexpected.

I've added Philip and Dmitry to the CCs; perhaps they some comments.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #11 received at 52168 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Matthias Meulien <orontee <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk <at> posteo.net>, 52168 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
Subject: Re: bug#52168: 29.0.50; Gnus buffers unexpectedly killed by
 project-kill-buffers
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 14:20:51 +0100

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Matthias Meulien <orontee <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> 1. Open a "project" file, say emacs in ~/Sources/emacs/lisp/outline.el
>> where ~/Sources/emacs contains GNU Emacs sources
>>
>> 2. From the buffer visiting outline.el, start reading mail with gnus
>>
>> 3. Switch back to outline.el buffer and call project-kill-buffers
>>
>> 4. Gnus buffers like *Group*, .newsrc-dribble, etc. are killed. This is
>> unexpected.
>
> I've added Philip and Dmitry to the CCs; perhaps they some comments.

The address I used for Philip bounced; trying again with a different
address.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #14 received at 52168 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk <at> posteo.net>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk <at> posteo.net>, 52168 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Matthias Meulien <orontee <at> gmail.com>, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
Subject: Re: bug#52168: 29.0.50; Gnus buffers unexpectedly killed by
 project-kill-buffers
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 18:52:38 +0000

(I'm not sure if my last message got sent out, so I'm sending this again)

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

>> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:
>>
>>> Matthias Meulien <orontee <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> 1. Open a "project" file, say emacs in ~/Sources/emacs/lisp/outline.el
>>>> where ~/Sources/emacs contains GNU Emacs sources
>>>>
>>>> 2. From the buffer visiting outline.el, start reading mail with gnus
>>>>
>>>> 3. Switch back to outline.el buffer and call project-kill-buffers
>>>>
>>>> 4. Gnus buffers like *Group*, .newsrc-dribble, etc. are killed. This is
>>>> unexpected.
>>>
>>> I've added Philip and Dmitry to the CCs; perhaps they some comments.
>>
>> The address I used for Philip bounced; trying again with a different
>> address.

To fix issues like this was the intention behind adding
project-kill-buffer-conditions (that is yet to be generalised).  What I
believe is happening here is that the *Group* buffer is being matched by
this condition

     (and (derived-mode . special-mode)
          (not (major-mode . help-mode)))

because `gnus-group-mode' derives `special-mode' via
`gnus-mode'. .newsrc-dribble matches both

      buffer-file-name

and

     (major-mode . fundamental-mode)

at least on my system.  Fixing this specific issue should be possible by
just adjusting project-kill-buffer-conditions, but it is probably
desirable to think about how this can be avoided in general, without
loosing the actual intended functionality of project-kill-buffers.

-- 
	Philip Kaludercic

Message #17 received at 52168 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk <at> posteo.net>
Cc: 52168 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Matthias Meulien <orontee <at> gmail.com>,
 Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
Subject: Re: bug#52168: 29.0.50; Gnus buffers unexpectedly killed by
 project-kill-buffers
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2021 05:25:53 +0100

Philip Kaludercic <philipk <at> posteo.net> writes:

> To fix issues like this was the intention behind adding
> project-kill-buffer-conditions (that is yet to be generalised).  What I
> believe is happening here is that the *Group* buffer is being matched by
> this condition
>
>      (and (derived-mode . special-mode)
>           (not (major-mode . help-mode)))
>
> because `gnus-group-mode' derives `special-mode' via
> `gnus-mode'. .newsrc-dribble matches both
>
>       buffer-file-name
>
> and
>
>      (major-mode . fundamental-mode)
>
> at least on my system.  Fixing this specific issue should be possible by
> just adjusting project-kill-buffer-conditions, but it is probably
> desirable to think about how this can be avoided in general, without
> loosing the actual intended functionality of project-kill-buffers.

I guess the issue is that it's pretty difficult to get an include-list
here:

    ;; Most of the temp buffers in the background:
    (major-mode . fundamental-mode)
    ;; non-text buffer such as xref, occur, vc, log, ...
    (and (derived-mode . special-mode)
         (not (major-mode . help-mode)))

But...  I think this is way too dangerous -- I think you really have to
come up with a include-list instead of going after fundamental-mode and
special-mode buffers.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #20 received at 52168 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk <at> posteo.net>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 52168 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Philip K <philip <at> warpmail.net>,
 Matthias Meulien <orontee <at> gmail.com>, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
Subject: Re: bug#52168: 29.0.50; Gnus buffers unexpectedly killed by
 project-kill-buffers
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2022 22:50:32 +0000

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Matthias Meulien <orontee <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> 1. Open a "project" file, say emacs in ~/Sources/emacs/lisp/outline.el
>> where ~/Sources/emacs contains GNU Emacs sources
>>
>> 2. From the buffer visiting outline.el, start reading mail with gnus
>>
>> 3. Switch back to outline.el buffer and call project-kill-buffers
>>
>> 4. Gnus buffers like *Group*, .newsrc-dribble, etc. are killed. This is
>> unexpected.
>
> I've added Philip and Dmitry to the CCs; perhaps they some comments.

Has the issue been addressed with ef45bfacb2157f6cb6e9d306b5ad8e3e219d03f8?

Message #23 received at 52168 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, Philip Kaludercic <philipk <at> posteo.net>
Cc: 52168 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Matthias Meulien <orontee <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#52168: 29.0.50; Gnus buffers unexpectedly killed by
 project-kill-buffers
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 01:01:25 +0200

Somehow I missed this issue back then, sorry.

On 01.12.2021 06:25, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> But...  I think this is way too dangerous -- I think you really have to
> come up with a include-list instead of going after fundamental-mode and
> special-mode buffers.

We're talking about this now in bug#58839.

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