From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:11:26 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#52143 <52143@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#52143 <52143@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 29.0.50; Customize type `group' displays a hanging colon Reply-To: bug#52143 <52143@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 14:11:26 +0000 retitle 52143 29.0.50; Customize type `group' displays a hanging colon reassign 52143 emacs submitter 52143 Brahimi Saifullah severity 52143 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 27 08:10:38 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Nov 2021 13:10:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33195 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mqxTS-0005My-3x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 08:10:38 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:46502) by 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WDYT? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This, of course, is merely polishing the workaround, the problem at its core remains unchanged. Though I am not yet privy to the inner working of Customize and its widgets, all of this seems to stem from some questionable decisions at `custom-variable-value-create'. As someone mentioned in one of the linked bug reports that the widget code is convoluted, I wonder, how well is this code understood? Or perhaps discussing its behavior is pointless, if nobody can truly understand what the consequences of righting these questionable decisions would be. --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 28 11:16:46 2021 Received: (at 52143) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2021 16:16:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36217 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrMr8-0002Yj-Ej for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 11:16:46 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:51837) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mrMr2-0002Qb-Vf for 52143@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 11:16:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1638116194; bh=rQTc75AEbu582zrzaf99yMO2uNpbzXIJs5+rmhjukvg=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=DGZiSYTnFjgRjohHNN7o6jVag+kB0meaTbLydatOZP+aiyNQ3Pfsk3YNCo+57+8Rj cwL9kfV8eG4UoX2F5nVbABdq/sr00Br9RoPEPNf5566XCvlJ4917gQ1ps7uAiBRmal XrAv3Lb6BJhKIINruPcJ7+nfxZDiaER2cqf43/7Q= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.104] ([46.125.249.91]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MF3DM-1mp8rS0vDk-00FT3y; Sun, 28 Nov 2021 17:16:34 +0100 Subject: Re: bug#52143: 29.0.50; Customize type `group' displays a hanging colon To: Brahimi Saifullah , 52143@debbugs.gnu.org References: <84wnkthhh9.fsf@gmail.com> From: martin rudalics Message-ID: <36af7feb-b449-7fdb-0ec9-59f0250f47c8@gmx.at> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 17:16:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <84wnkthhh9.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:6ljExgpGxKuz2OdLWB/obOmgPlh/3eNg4kzAh64pVznaCuQKZjz ll2CVnuAi/bhLmG5ulXcXDrkNKDO6L5ZNqMMIqL4RdFPhlEifxVB8yLtgY1kkbzJqswZ/by rlkz4XJy/tNXY/yAUORzkMN4WuKDMDErGBIjiqSH1NKCx+UQ4wOHu1qx16tiniaVfCDz40i vS87TjNrLp2x/Cj95fh1Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:S1Nu/710z3A=:SwhuxpoTXyWSYjqlr7muCv HemkpbM5qYrvkfgG17ZI90CoGMJpHRjcZr8RLvPbMeNxxIqssPA50clR6HxhyPUHYLcTl6Qph Nfp0kqZzUfU5QK/k1jlvuGd/DFmn8FhyNJDKh3dl8Tdh0iSmYEjTFxPAluDltDWCRy3/H7N7T 8mPBRqwXMCWUllta8Yvsit/Mm0Dgv66BA6rPDhXlqWY/m84RuP5Zzcnok4aKSBMHPfDO+8Hes d8pzFRMipuNjpHD5/MlqF9iJAP3zXxj3eJphUmj3KlBMxyCLZaSI7C6d9Chp0iKJWYsGNegv8 JKqiOWpwpI+Wmn0Sz1vcZQgRoFzk+1zTfcClBMqLAEVrzvxCP5oIQ1CdPhLoPYYXp1vFJ4pyE FOfzzK4qNKNf1LAyIPu1tn6sWo33Ux1C9X0hHtCqL30Wu58vb8yOPNaEnSCOtJir2KrqElKME E0RgJRB39stMc0Lp1HsTuINXNq6dUCramo0zZipFpyQh+kiLeJ+EnP06l1u26Md4CgVXUmvGc /jScAKVP54jQva9W+CTF1YDPE1j0wgW/S7tFoBvgR+8ZpZ1YYn1Pb2Drm7ekDD/F+3/guD8nT U/iNQarJFuMRA/T0LeAFK/6SMHRrQPjX9loGJWcjvCeZuB6wf17ma0+HvOvudYqwMtRRqWZO1 3/V8+aoESDUjR9gFCRGgn2kRlB33OULaKMLZL2agH/aZBKs33mBA3C9CMhEjTrMa974kQFLs/ wpFjtEuq40mqcP5COe78pvQkP4Ka24FG/9xLqRKuEeZNUz5HmxfpjRiPNBr/unytO3IHApk8t +32MYnsYsS4t7+M3g8JsHjA4dSBSUpwoRWOSc7g0NCoDtD1NEAJbkvzyEG+twemAzzF6FH/kY 8ts+wH98ezJHrYd74bpmLqIQw+KGe8Az121SekLrPncrkmRzI4CS8gRH08arB5GxlVaJOKNr/ yZza/Zca5/Ye5k9qDX+iZEUm1E3Ew1no4DU1OCmYuZ3sqq2EXNFmi2C6qdws9TzMeA2X2sg6G FlbUIJLWtqeH3yseEKM8y56XQdnFhvkXX2gS9mYctQQ0w5j0VkHQ1msoEcVpdLNRbupNwglgq WOG5blGfcntbVY= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52143 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>From what I gather: a colon is necessary, for whatever reason. So having a > tag-less type, as `group' claims to be, is not possible through normal means. I don't know why 'group' should be "tag-less" (whatever that incurs) and thus would simply use (define-widget 'group 'default "A widget which groups other widgets inside." :convert-widget 'widget-types-convert-widget :copy 'widget-types-copy :tag "Group" :format "%{%t%}:\n%v" ... But maybe there is a reason for the current specification. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 29 10:53:43 2021 Received: (at 52143) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2021 15:53:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39004 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mriyN-0003C1-4N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 10:53:43 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59510) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mriyK-0003Bd-Re for 52143@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 10:53:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=qkuXYesL77SZcFYdMLxSXLE6vvEfpmtGVBbsk4lEJ+g=; b=liOK00hQUREVg7PN0288arlJI7 hh8IhmGZQNr0z21deLAgiFenujjM86njdTTZpqkuJcf5SNjJb15iDSuhl80HKYf9ii6cQRMQz1z7T MzJuGhsDifvl/kOt/VAi/x7vslE4LkD0h7rGpz1Tm+wWQVtdOH9g5e7DxRGoY34MD1iQ=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mriyB-0005r5-IM; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 16:53:34 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Brahimi Saifullah Subject: Re: bug#52143: 29.0.50; Customize type `group' displays a hanging colon References: <84wnkthhh9.fsf@gmail.com> X-Now-Playing: Mia Doi Todd's _Music Life_: "Mohinder and the Maharani" Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 16:53:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: <84wnkthhh9.fsf@gmail.com> (Brahimi Saifullah's message of "Sat, 27 Nov 2021 10:10:26 -0300") Message-ID: <87pmqjufet.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Brahimi Saifullah writes: > Or with a newline: > > :format (concat (propertize ":" 'display "") "\n%v") I think that looks pretty good, so I've pushed it to Emacs 29. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52143 Cc: 52143@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Brahimi Saifullah writes: > Or with a newline: > > :format (concat (propertize ":" 'display "") "\n%v") I think that looks pretty good, so I've pushed it to Emacs 29. martin rudalics writes: >>>>From what I gather: a colon is necessary, for whatever reason. So having a >> tag-less type, as `group' claims to be, is not possible through normal means. > > I don't know why 'group' should be "tag-less" (whatever that incurs) > and thus would simply use > > (define-widget 'group 'default > "A widget which groups other widgets inside." > :convert-widget 'widget-types-convert-widget > :copy 'widget-types-copy > :tag "Group" > :format "%{%t%}:\n%v" > ... > > But maybe there is a reason for the current specification. 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