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The supported formats are: ") (license license:expat))) +(define-public unrar-free + (package + (name "unrar-free") + (version "0.1.1") + (source + (origin + (method git-fetch) + (uri (git-reference + (url "https://gitlab.com/bgermann/unrar-free") + (commit version))) + (file-name (git-file-name name version)) + (sha256 + (base32 "0l9xdygk8ki8471lmg8xkb58zq07cb9hy44pqz1hlyhgsvrb6vss")))) + (build-system gnu-build-system) + (inputs + `(("libarchive" ,libarchive))) + (native-inputs + `(("autoconf" ,autoconf) + ("automake" ,automake) + ("pkg-config" ,pkg-config))) + (home-page "https://gitlab.com/bgermann/unrar-free") + (synopsis "Extract files from RAR archives") + (description + "@code{unrar-free} is a free software version of the non-free @code{unrar} +utility. This program is a simple command-line front-end to libarchive, and can +list and extract not only RAR archives but also other formats supported by +libarchive. It does not rival the non-free @code{unrar} in terms of features, +but special care has been taken to ensure it meets most user's needs.") + (license license:gpl2+))) + (define-public tarlz (package (name "tarlz") base-commit: ea7233befb9570cce47e5ca71725b285a580cd22 -- 2.25.1 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 25 14:49:40 2021 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Nov 2021 19:49:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58068 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mqKkW-0003wB-78 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 14:49:40 -0500 Received: from mail-wr1-f66.google.com ([209.85.221.66]:44904) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mqKkT-0003vt-Ev for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 14:49:38 -0500 Received: by mail-wr1-f66.google.com with SMTP id l16so13853683wrp.11 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 11:49:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mZy8ez5sLj8a/oL7+KVR2rMcvVsZ+HdjJlemHooKo4A=; b=bkN1RTSbD4foZ6W6S/FP9MJX7dW3MAXyl0tvt47Ki9gqE/nZVMGWluDELLuiOSQtOm tXWXzjzzCrnn1EqcbwqV00zy7DmiU5RY1/nwj8dR7QnOBPLFXk240jQv2QwBOJ89kZTn pesNVYdUhPUa381Ey/p/7xPyGWFF4NFhEWc96RznQKrupjkjm94UzolgVSEv1/4URc96 /PhHtyhBc1JVKS0K6jcm4S6LXST+6Ti7uRgY622de27ZzEkdk2A23hjJhPc1k1dNWaPg 09SYt6dpuTIScQzhfKM1cXfciBhfOJj4AnqdOAi9rvUrTExwwfbdCifvZNeMVjhF2SY5 B25Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:subject:from:to:date:in-reply-to :references:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mZy8ez5sLj8a/oL7+KVR2rMcvVsZ+HdjJlemHooKo4A=; b=CKEIHOEG51y+DkXS2j2Mob9A0jXpMlhnh/byS7JnpMaYy7pDrzGxNMQp4/pVTBQup9 EtbDCL58rt1NJpU4Gzy/QN2WeX20iZ7PxMSjp9UY0dJ6/Fya/aDXtdpv7I/40MDfCDaq 75tzTN4A0KPfj4n19L6TeypvFcf4C8WjfizHGqzZ3jsY7B09/scZToJrS0VJM6YnWnyQ c6VSgjUVRl0Trxv4wUZOlvUah1hJw1q6cZsfoh8b6ufOucXoLT/rCUd/IFZH0P3POnhl f7MRf2AbFLJPRtPUuco+bLBNocbvLBmNXVL9Lgbn7Naw4Df8KztwW6tMeYx07VTVsw9f fFMg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532fE1vmLFdWKeYixEAV5i+r48GCyR41NCOTv81gW1IgPuxZ0mjA SFHdRdqpMM1Lzg4WdkzcELU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzESTLUYd8xJBEG4SzRINbc3HdxcqhPtjgWqYbk/sQ3aSWVD2Mf1FEcNXIx5rQfy7dtjRXYaA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:181:: with SMTP id p1mr9602760wrx.292.1637869770412; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 11:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nijino.fritz.box (85-127-52-93.dsl.dynamic.surfer.at. [85.127.52.93]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j134sm4057664wmj.3.2021.11.25.11.49.29 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 25 Nov 2021 11:49:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add unrar-free. From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: Foo Chuan Wei , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 20:49:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 25.11.2021, 15:19 +0000 schrieb Foo Chuan Wei: > * gnu/packages/compression.scm (unrar-free): New variable. > [...] > + (inputs > + `(("libarchive" ,libarchive))) > [...] > This program is a simple command-line front-end to libarchive Does this program handle anything that libarchive does not already have? libarchive already ships its own command line utility (bsdtar), plus there's other frontends with less confusing names available. The only use-case for "unrar-free" would be to inevitably push people towards the non-free unrar when it inevitably fails to upack that one of several weird rar files [1]. 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References: Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2023 19:57:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Liliana Marie Prikler's message of "Thu, 25 Nov 2021 20:49:27 +0100") Message-ID: <87358rxgjk.fsf_-_@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Liliana, Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > Hi, > > Am Donnerstag, den 25.11.2021, 15:19 +0000 schrieb Foo Chuan Wei: >> * gnu/packages/compression.scm (unrar-free): New variable. >> [...] >> + (inputs >> + `(("libarchive" ,libarchive))) >> [...] >> This program is a simple command-line front-end to libarchive > Does this program handle anything that libarchive does not already > have? libarchive already ships its own command line utility (bsdtar), > plus there's other frontends with less confusing names available. The > only use-case for "unrar-free" would be to inevitably push people > towards the non-free unrar when it inevitably fails to upack that one > of several weird rar files [1]. Since the program uses libarchive, it would think it supports the same features as libarchive itself. Its value is in providing a simpler to use front-end CLI. While I appreciate your concern, I don't think it is a problem to have unrar-free in GNU Guix; it is free software and respects the GNU FSDG, as far as I can tell. Thoughts? -- Thanks, Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 04 00:32:52 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2023 05:32:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47314 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pCwOS-0000jh-22 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 00:32:52 -0500 Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:50188) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pCwON-0000jU-Jq for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 00:32:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112154080C; Wed, 4 Jan 2023 06:32:46 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: SPAM Filter at disroot.org Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gi8OUMTAd4O3; Wed, 4 Jan 2023 06:32:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <325c0ef4-63ad-b45d-96ae-2cf248c37548@disroot.org> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1672810364; bh=mgW9WL3puTu/zSqOfJQsrAL8FxIqvbq8JwpQDBzjVok=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=R/G8scFfuxAoMJG31i+tXdLEKcFC1iAYl1fDb26rxd2dmlROL2+YH0WMJg/qALDqk S9wMRZ9oHObAOO8SB/ywMeFmLa1fUBHPfn1EkoXV9MhMzSKTfgGv3j6X+CoA2+RbAJ EhRDbv7Kxcoj+XmI2xmzHT5OvdZXRaT+c+mbt/XD0GYhhb3xL7uS8hAzQULY/+Vg+g 64Q8yaN7jhKqL45Q/n+XKw2uWt7L0T0Dh4yIzJkL5BtHw897UjFW67QapkpVk3FWc4 MxMBcu0Bi0jSohHnYJRCp+V6ZteS2ocdyYgNyBZQ26/zgQpZgqJWIipT2V25664fFu ktnLdizNnw6fQ== Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 00:32:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [bug#52109] [PATCH] gnu: Add unrar-free. Content-Language: en-US To: Maxim Cournoyer , Liliana Marie Prikler References: <87358rxgjk.fsf_-_@gmail.com> From: kiasoc5 In-Reply-To: <87358rxgjk.fsf_-_@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 1/3/23 19:57, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: > > While I appreciate your concern, I don't think it is a problem to have > unrar-free in GNU Guix; it is free software and respects the GNU FSDG, > as far as I can tell Debian and Fedora, whose package guidelines are generally free-software friendly (with some exceptions), include unrar-free. https://repology.org/project/unrar-free/versions From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 04 14:41:31 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2023 19:41:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49651 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pD9dj-0008DO-K8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 14:41:31 -0500 Received: from mail-ej1-f67.google.com ([209.85.218.67]:40692) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pD9dh-0008D9-Dp for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 14:41:30 -0500 Received: by mail-ej1-f67.google.com with SMTP id jo4so85174990ejb.7 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 11:41:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:content-transfer-encoding:references :in-reply-to:date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=CYX0ZVpXZFQkLzewItqhrIRJ2EOe0dhFgg+2+nCI+nc=; b=Tw3au4T5OLPuWVnMrthjBRPhU1FVTzDE+fofeRepLFU7HoymDp24wMhqQqitOtR3wQ XZyxKR48SeGYkPNDyuuSWoxegFJyHL3DpMnVLttzC5d6JLpDkqZntcTBQkg78i8j1kSw KHlJLsdP6MYhPV4jsxprxSpkYmg1HtimfAYX1xv1/YNQAEgSzUhOa6tBikuspBr7DJRF 90v8l1F3TifKUFW7UC5RbamH2WF7Rc7OckBzR2TqaWv21CMehLDlLLsiaIDERUI7vGB+ sE0/p3KX7seHvprZUkl+z0gruupZKs3jp8sKTF2Pv64oCxsLDYeVImqMfxKHTvRDmN8H 5zxQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:content-transfer-encoding:references :in-reply-to:date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=CYX0ZVpXZFQkLzewItqhrIRJ2EOe0dhFgg+2+nCI+nc=; b=Apkzc0usNWPV/53EtmPdBzyXgd6NI48NlJxBUj/nstGJedqOf2JQx/mXaRM/JHsym4 uXaGiYT2svI4/aQ956GDR6L7tnRCOwUhLKnabDlUtJa/uYjeRm4MsN7+FFedW98mfmRA GkTgRYt26TkcWrKE6g0dzE30bVr9Ib4OMu0oPR9XHGRLiXCETKe7Eub/65e5x8N0/v7U PwCJ0HSDzTiao1Wi2sBehFtKT+yFkZl+zsLWkkLaj8JbL20Zn2TEvq731f9iqVZ+jos8 a0hbD8nBdxWxyhEZpk68tPpsA/mT5xtk/2LxoIjsYpxDhycWhvDieRG8VtTFZbtqtbKN QVQg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2krLO2eONKgP61W6HDTdTP3tXGSwUf1PoEz/4jyj8Z6BnkvjU0Ih sVszmGXXtBpDr6wNjyfRjKo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXs6dHpaeWjpSPSUK0fiMt0lDinEEkov95HN+x6CL0w8SDvJakL63EyBGVAOARDsMLuZ5K9WNw== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:85d9:b0:842:1627:77b4 with SMTP id i25-20020a17090685d900b00842162777b4mr42622577ejy.3.1672861283268; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 11:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from lumine.fritz.box (85-127-52-93.dsl.dynamic.surfer.at. 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From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: kiasoc5 , Maxim Cournoyer Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2023 20:41:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <325c0ef4-63ad-b45d-96ae-2cf248c37548@disroot.org> References: <87358rxgjk.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <325c0ef4-63ad-b45d-96ae-2cf248c37548@disroot.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am Mittwoch, dem 04.01.2023 um 00:32 -0500 schrieb kiasoc5: > On 1/3/23 19:57, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: > >=20 > > While I appreciate your concern, I don't think it is a problem to > > have unrar-free in GNU Guix; it is free software and respects the > > GNU FSDG, as far as I can tell > Debian and Fedora, whose package guidelines are generally free- > software friendly (with some exceptions), include unrar-free. >=20 > https://repology.org/project/unrar-free/versions Neither Debian nor Fedora are recommended GNU distros. As for Trisquel, which is, note how severely outdated the version there is. More importantly, Am Dienstag, dem 03.01.2023 um 19:57 -0500 schrieb Maxim Cournoyer: > Since the program uses libarchive, it would think it supports the > same features as libarchive itself. Its value is in providing a > simpler to use front-end CLI. Yes, the supported features are exactly the libarchive feature set.=20 However, I would argue that the value of providing this "simpler to use front-end" is in fact a negative one. For one, bsdtar's CLI is not that complicated, but what's more, some programs like file-roller (which let's be honest, the uninitiated user is more likely to use than either CLI) have an escape hatch for non-libarchive implementations of unrar. Using this escape hatch to sneak in libarchive is plain silly :) Cheers From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 04 15:22:02 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2023 20:22:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49718 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pDAGw-00038c-3M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 15:22:02 -0500 Received: from mail-qt1-f175.google.com ([209.85.160.175]:44799) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pDAGu-00038H-Sy for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 15:22:01 -0500 Received: by mail-qt1-f175.google.com with SMTP id c11so28194884qtn.11 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 12:22:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:in-reply-to:date:references :subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=xYjZIX40WSwUZgJb8FBQH9xTR2mIv2/UwiJsZeNn9NU=; b=jti7BvUzCLujavrx3o6/pvxI9M9QGZk0SJ1KUpqihb6GIY/IkruTG/CPRLBPESt2Nn ApobQaQ/+z4PuVbaaA2TVwlh3AY28FJDa6KP8xCNzKXcJc3cS6taQHZWSw3XJSFFHhjz f8nu70Uv2BFeeyGEvWDGSsf9+NL7NUYCL4QurzPMhZYDpyM8czRqIdnN+bZ69S4DBzSz dASDUtRiZnIe1zkTkHTgx9vbLs3lL0235OcwFRHKeQXHxCML2mnylqMvEm349rsv1Z8w GD96jM+mVYIAkm3+AdCMx7x/1Vgh/ePI0lzJsDk9kvxU+OB3xhoibSlc2rz9zLA8keRz lb5Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:in-reply-to:date:references :subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=xYjZIX40WSwUZgJb8FBQH9xTR2mIv2/UwiJsZeNn9NU=; b=KVlFaR/PkfBV9wQJG8+d9aVudywolXPsoVD5nCcqR3wLwnoqcU98rxZvy1V1WDMlt0 YmyuHA2taXeFhsTE+puv+7evyL6dq1LZ2ySVcHHdJbUBQmKqI6Ma8NyuiMmqNAGPhqOB 3wB0Zs5iqZ4mheqbxepdxvIiXIjzOr4O9eZfjQQC7BOKlfLiyIIVyh8DDJn4FhYz2HtP AicZEi5/5okb4uMLNHARoN6BFHXCJ1UCegDHY5Dv4E+cgwxboqaeyXSqIKpCnXR2SdzJ U8yvSqI6nrCJoznDm5mJXwPDrYVNptSGgFEjJmScaRfFEUTeyfLYGt5Z68bUBwla2LRs 55AA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kprYWdCYJGt6PhWWsS2W2feWwfmIkxCoxemAVyI0Kl9P0NmF2y8 wQLFTpQnDq0f8IroDqip6Ok= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXt/vDSlZmTqAKdHYyDvaxnpYy6Rww9tCfUhcm027S9FRvFpHWakCGlr+Hc+M7C3M+dNmuhmnw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:258c:b0:3ab:9ef8:f7e8 with SMTP id cj12-20020a05622a258c00b003ab9ef8f7e8mr37053620qtb.42.1672863715205; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 12:21:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from hurd (dsl-10-135-221.b2b2c.ca. [72.10.135.221]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bb23-20020a05622a1b1700b003431446588fsm20733110qtb.5.2023.01.04.12.21.54 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 04 Jan 2023 12:21:54 -0800 (PST) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Liliana Marie Prikler Subject: Re: [bug#52109] [PATCH] gnu: Add unrar-free. References: <87358rxgjk.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <325c0ef4-63ad-b45d-96ae-2cf248c37548@disroot.org> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2023 15:21:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Liliana Marie Prikler's message of "Wed, 04 Jan 2023 20:41:21 +0100") Message-ID: <871qoavyn2.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi, Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > Am Mittwoch, dem 04.01.2023 um 00:32 -0500 schrieb kiasoc5: >> On 1/3/23 19:57, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: >> > >> > While I appreciate your concern, I don't think it is a problem to >> > have unrar-free in GNU Guix; it is free software and respects the >> > GNU FSDG, as far as I can tell >> Debian and Fedora, whose package guidelines are generally free- >> software friendly (with some exceptions), include unrar-free. >> >> https://repology.org/project/unrar-free/versions > Neither Debian nor Fedora are recommended GNU distros. As for > Trisquel, which is, note how severely outdated the version there is. That it is present in Trisquel says a lot about its standing with FSDG. > More importantly, > > Am Dienstag, dem 03.01.2023 um 19:57 -0500 schrieb Maxim Cournoyer: >> Since the program uses libarchive, it would think it supports the >> same features as libarchive itself. Its value is in providing a >> simpler to use front-end CLI. > > Yes, the supported features are exactly the libarchive feature set. > However, I would argue that the value of providing this "simpler to use > front-end" is in fact a negative one. For one, bsdtar's CLI is not > that complicated, but what's more, some programs like file-roller > (which let's be honest, the uninitiated user is more likely to use than > either CLI) have an escape hatch for non-libarchive implementations of > unrar. Using this escape hatch to sneak in libarchive is plain silly > :) I think arguing about how complicated alternatives are to use or whether users should use such alternatives is beside the point. Guix contains free software packages contributed by its contributors, not a curated list of software that have been deemed useful or worthy based on the opinions of the Guix committers/reviewers. -- Thanks, Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 04 17:32:13 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2023 22:32:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49812 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pDCIv-0006o5-8b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 17:32:13 -0500 Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:52992) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pDCIs-0006nr-Rn for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 17:32:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E95D40913; Wed, 4 Jan 2023 23:32:09 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: SPAM Filter at disroot.org Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OMwJ24jFTou4; Wed, 4 Jan 2023 23:32:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <701b8fa8-9ae0-4de1-ecb3-2d19c581eba8@disroot.org> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1672871528; bh=inKNIhXatw8kyPKxES82XeElZ9gofR6m2aGkyyc4IMg=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=YL+dXNtkXrMuMmsgThQnxlC7S90t0hGSBjOXL/sbD6imgr4Op37+Hk+PrQ8D3nokn tICb9oachUib6AlCP6fmQeqpmQIMD2aqPmi4RhII6td/2n+lAjL6fz7nI6cYYBz1z9 lUM30MO2QB7gqKZiBVzbF3G2UhbDgfw58OPsL2V6SVzNEMfFGnPjPlYW5g2YdscglS vrbBetV9lrdoA5hiKcfrR4DxdSBp+4jydyYhId/E6b3jc7bv7SxJoMjRLwwegAbyng YILNzx8ww+fK51PQBH4ppg3u84NEPoclgo8sZSmKRHnB5uNFpxDm/A7ESgiZXDuOBQ jgayc0AgumDug== Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 17:32:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [bug#52109] [PATCH] gnu: Add unrar-free. Content-Language: en-US To: Liliana Marie Prikler , Maxim Cournoyer References: <87358rxgjk.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <325c0ef4-63ad-b45d-96ae-2cf248c37548@disroot.org> From: kiasoc5 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 1/4/23 14:41, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > Neither Debian nor Fedora are recommended GNU distros. 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From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: Maxim Cournoyer Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2023 18:46:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <871qoavyn2.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87358rxgjk.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <325c0ef4-63ad-b45d-96ae-2cf248c37548@disroot.org> <871qoavyn2.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am Mittwoch, dem 04.01.2023 um 15:21 -0500 schrieb Maxim Cournoyer: > Hi, >=20 > That it is present in Trisquel says a lot about its standing with > FSDG. >=20 > [...] Guix contains free software packages contributed by its > contributors, not a curated list of software that have been deemed > useful or worthy based on the opinions of the Guix > committers/reviewers. There are different interpretations of the FSDG. For instance, the fact that we are downloading the blobby kernel and patching it is by some regarded as iffy, but generally regarded as not an issue by Guix people. Here, I'm using the point the FSDG raises with regards to distributions about name confusion and apply it to software. Now admittedly, that's a stretch, but one that makes me personally uncomfortable if I'm told to sign off a commit that introduces such software for =E2=80=93 in my opinion =E2=80=93 no good reason. 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[66.158.157.228]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d136-20020ae9ef8e000000b006ef1a8f1b81sm7385036qkg.5.2023.01.10.08.47.08 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 10 Jan 2023 08:47:08 -0800 (PST) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Liliana Marie Prikler Subject: Re: [bug#52109] [PATCH] gnu: Add unrar-free. References: <87358rxgjk.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <325c0ef4-63ad-b45d-96ae-2cf248c37548@disroot.org> <871qoavyn2.fsf@gmail.com> <9336884519247fe7c9a9cf0d532eb8a79b954a7f.camel@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2023 11:47:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: <9336884519247fe7c9a9cf0d532eb8a79b954a7f.camel@gmail.com> (Liliana Marie Prikler's message of "Fri, 06 Jan 2023 18:46:38 +0100") Message-ID: <87358il4l0.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Liliana, Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > Am Mittwoch, dem 04.01.2023 um 15:21 -0500 schrieb Maxim Cournoyer: >> Hi, >>=20 >> That it is present in Trisquel says a lot about its standing with >> FSDG. >>=20 >> [...] Guix contains free software packages contributed by its >> contributors, not a curated list of software that have been deemed >> useful or worthy based on the opinions of the Guix >> committers/reviewers. > There are different interpretations of the FSDG. For instance, the > fact that we are downloading the blobby kernel and patching it is by > some regarded as iffy, but generally regarded as not an issue by Guix > people. Here, I'm using the point the FSDG raises with regards to > distributions about name confusion and apply it to software. Now > admittedly, that's a stretch, but one that makes me personally > uncomfortable if I'm told to sign off a commit that introduces such > software for =E2=80=93 in my opinion =E2=80=93 no good reason. I think unrar-free, if it makes libarchive easier to use via an intuitive CLI, serves a purpose. What we are discussing here is whether there's a problem or not with the FSDG and the name 'unrar-free'. Given the argument that 'unrar-free' package could steer users toward 'unrar' non-free (which is not available in Guix) is a bit of a stretch (as you admitted), I don't think it's ground to refuse its inclusion in Guix. --=20 Thanks, Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 11 17:50:25 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2023 22:50:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44148 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pFjvN-0004a0-6W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2023 17:50:25 -0500 Received: from mail-wr1-f46.google.com ([209.85.221.46]:38596) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pFjvK-0004ZY-CV for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2023 17:50:22 -0500 Received: by mail-wr1-f46.google.com with SMTP id az7so16480141wrb.5 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 11 Jan 2023 14:50:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:date:references :in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=iOuByNbR/pD4Hij6OoPBDegPFuMgW3zbvt097bIChfE=; b=prbTNYjORR8ziuoQ6GJfhO22YBr51l0L/8FWLvQ8rfa5FE8wsEsbq1STK9rc6W/Neo S6Pl218cAOutdInKzobTQbgwEzFGsoA++f9uuTOY3cVL7T80YRrPvVWsiv7DMWGe6HkE E9g0VevffTPnOY9MnM1tcCjTrb53Vd1IYh4ljc0YxTa1SvvY+HShcFnO9t5jfeFSJuZr ySfy4PNM2vm4wH3at1D6KIIvBFiPDYK6lQe1akOL/fTqbxTNmTeRN+tuQrSEu6NxY4Mk CyuILRXX+wIi/0l3/y/1g7iIOHEQtvAOAJYs2SRdLJOgx7QQf2SZI0xHvdeMmLJP9jlJ 9beg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:date:references :in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=iOuByNbR/pD4Hij6OoPBDegPFuMgW3zbvt097bIChfE=; b=7915FzUibUaMfwt6WrbRhsa6vHdM+r9DxXxu0Cv8+i48Zt2827Ttkn7mwHJmFZ8H1P fV6wBhtC2AnGD9N0Mz9BDoPOzuEuH5uqZpkaWjWrbnXXw5jVm1bszpNhRkVlzBqOXiU0 uKIec6XKOj8GV3iC3hOpeLuT5kne3f8TrtcZCxAj+SWcTNKvX+jRzM1+HLvI8xDYWxYS RRzzN0Fe07lrGrKQAVz6N4tgl7TCkeFHODo2RfJ01ixbmEXtV2IoazY+MtNH8foIIZIx e4FGmJ+IdSpZ3b3GapIGap5mblbu36sAlGneTrY2o67w3oW2fnHDdmdlKrPqQH0X0t6I uSzg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2krS/VbucMjQZlUuB9+go6RoohJTora55qZac6+gslEq5la/l12F 7zuJD9pLQhg6yOj8op6tylo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXsyC5oU3+psJ+1hRJDxTyVo2jXPOgYRExVhQrAAjOaPEMKR9s+FrvDDlgEEqctL8S+IBmLXGg== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4842:0:b0:2bb:62bf:f5cb with SMTP id n2-20020a5d4842000000b002bb62bff5cbmr2522910wrs.4.1673477416629; Wed, 11 Jan 2023 14:50:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from lili ([2a01:e0a:59b:9120:65d2:2476:f637:db1e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i10-20020adff30a000000b0024228b0b932sm17894838wro.27.2023.01.11.14.50.15 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 11 Jan 2023 14:50:16 -0800 (PST) From: zimoun To: Maxim Cournoyer , Liliana Marie Prikler Subject: Re: [bug#52109] [PATCH] gnu: Add unrar-free. In-Reply-To: <87358il4l0.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87358rxgjk.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <325c0ef4-63ad-b45d-96ae-2cf248c37548@disroot.org> <871qoavyn2.fsf@gmail.com> <9336884519247fe7c9a9cf0d532eb8a79b954a7f.camel@gmail.com> <87358il4l0.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 23:31:01 +0100 Message-ID: <86sfgg1z6i.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi all, On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 at 11:47, Maxim Cournoyer w= rote: > What we are discussing here is whether there's a problem or not with the > FSDG and the name 'unrar-free'. Given the argument that 'unrar-free' > package could steer users toward 'unrar' non-free (which is not > available in Guix) is a bit of a stretch (as you admitted), I don't > think it's ground to refuse its inclusion in Guix. I agree with Maxim=E2=80=99s arguments. From my point of view, unrar-free respects FSDG =E2=80=93 and since it is present in Trisquel, I assume this understanding of FSDG is shared =E2=80=93 to some extent. Even, I would say the Liliana=E2=80=99s opposite argument: it liberates user from the non-free unrar by offering a free alternative. And it is the case for all the free re-implementations, no? Therefore, I do not see what is the blocker. :-) Cheers, simon From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 12 01:22:29 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2023 06:22:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44414 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pFqyr-0001oQ-FX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 01:22:29 -0500 Received: from mail-ej1-f68.google.com ([209.85.218.68]:45931) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pFqyn-0001o5-Tm for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 01:22:27 -0500 Received: by mail-ej1-f68.google.com with SMTP id l22so12582526eja.12 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 11 Jan 2023 22:22:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:content-transfer-encoding:references :in-reply-to:date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7MlBCZ42IyBdJwO7Rf9jmzlkq6wCaiOMbR1hdCAUzZU=; b=drlLDbVukkfZBogalHhe9SR/K+4uymXkWBiugX7JxXtE3bJYZz36W0osJyoJQtpwRg 6Y6bf7HYZvwjQDO6B2r+D5lZOoacuzK/KAs5fHnJcG7/119Jr1HpEqVoVYFHBWaR3Hxy Slo9QezZ6SEj3hPn8Uxtn28/OhxsTPmqsVl/5b2ydM/xb0Jhp5tpP/MC4HQXEYfFQ511 O4R11tdI1pR/xsVIavNC6aDlnhs0/XWDTdSOtWWH/gGObNVzrNVercHzEBRezgNguGri ASjaGyeJvA0AoRqMAd5yuOauS8FelpY86fyldMneGZTXKSkLgzqBX+ytojItg/aHHr1d sUjw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:content-transfer-encoding:references :in-reply-to:date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7MlBCZ42IyBdJwO7Rf9jmzlkq6wCaiOMbR1hdCAUzZU=; b=zZMsrEliLnoMRRES9YQccUJHQ/y8eycWJv2ESN7PrWGAOj9C5NEuugUUkuHmc8u7d2 b46zMDTulQWhY7ZjGplVcm+4VnszLl2RvkUNgeAR9YwpmCEkA/irrhNFM2y3eJ8zIpWG gkSI9s1eg1czU1JzBLyYvz3IQKQWSeco5lRyIRR0C/SE7RA9Oa7G4Kdj8ZCw1fjoylk1 K3B0E3RzSAkoE2glXFJnu96lEA5K1yUgwRGL590+cqRP0eBelh70S1ga9j//4oo+1oyF mMOzuwbi17ekNm7pOAm/gwETeUJQHmq5lMuu/JdDMe3hZRPNAtvdsEMI0eLAzmI60IR3 U0UQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kqDZz+tI374q7z+XwG0bOyS2tpK02B7CCE6HpFXA/DvDnoiQqOe vXMB3vv8rkPgVXJ5ngnT4tY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXuKaFDLHOJlSNUfZlPozXbSl8JtrRJ2PudL6euSmCWfQZ2KNzOMP/N1c9LZ6Tlz1OrI2GJEDQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:36ce:b0:7c1:727c:5f70 with SMTP id b14-20020a17090636ce00b007c1727c5f70mr64703117ejc.46.1673504539842; Wed, 11 Jan 2023 22:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lumine.fritz.box (85-127-52-93.dsl.dynamic.surfer.at. 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From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: zimoun , Maxim Cournoyer Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 07:22:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <86sfgg1z6i.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87358rxgjk.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <325c0ef4-63ad-b45d-96ae-2cf248c37548@disroot.org> <871qoavyn2.fsf@gmail.com> <9336884519247fe7c9a9cf0d532eb8a79b954a7f.camel@gmail.com> <87358il4l0.fsf@gmail.com> <86sfgg1z6i.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am Mittwoch, dem 11.01.2023 um 23:31 +0100 schrieb zimoun: > Hi all, >=20 > On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 at 11:47, Maxim Cournoyer > wrote: >=20 > > What we are discussing here is whether there's a problem or not > > with the FSDG and the name 'unrar-free'.=C2=A0 Given the argument that > > 'unrar-free' package could steer users toward 'unrar' non-free > > (which is not available in Guix) is a bit of a stretch (as you > > admitted), I don't think it's ground to refuse its inclusion in > > Guix. >=20 > I agree with Maxim=E2=80=99s arguments.=C2=A0 From my point of view, unra= r-free > respects FSDG =E2=80=93 and since it is present in Trisquel, I assume thi= s > understanding of FSDG is shared =E2=80=93 to some extent. >=20 > Even, I would say the Liliana=E2=80=99s opposite argument: it liberates u= ser > from the non-free unrar by offering a free alternative.=C2=A0 And it is > the case for all the free re-implementations, no? >From my point of view, it really doesn't. Now potentially, there's an argument to be had that unrar-free acts as a "drop-in replacement" for scripts, Makefiles etc. that assume the presence of the non-free unrar, i.e. when you assume that you're bound to unrar's CLI. But(!) libarchive already liberates you from that very CLI =E2=80=93 perhaps not b= y offering the exact same interface (which for the record unrar-nonfree also doesn't), but by offering a program that can open some of the archives (on top of handling zip, tar, etc.). =C2=A0As for the actually supported archives, they're the same for both CLIs, so no real liberation is happening on that front. Somewhat ironically, if unrar-free was using its own experimental libarchive that has some patches it wishes to upstream, which improve the handling of some RAR quirks, I wouldn't be as opposed to including it. But as it stands right now, I see it as little more than a piece of software that makes people go "but how do I get the _real_ unrar?", cue people sending each other advice on a certain channel dedicated to non-free software. Cheers From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 12 02:36:23 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2023 07:36:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44488 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pFs8M-0003rn-Jy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 02:36:22 -0500 Received: from ns13.heimat.it ([46.4.214.66]:52118) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pFs8H-0003rW-EH for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 02:36:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (ip6-localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns13.heimat.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DEB30022C; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 07:36:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at ns13.heimat.it Received: from ns13.heimat.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns13.heimat.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DSHYqqAKk66w; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 07:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bourrache.mug.xelera.it (unknown [93.56.161.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by ns13.heimat.it (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A37F33001D5; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 07:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from roquette.mug.biscuolo.net (roquette [10.38.2.14]) by bourrache.mug.xelera.it (Postfix) with SMTP id 21BA02234B83; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 08:36:07 +0100 (CET) Received: (nullmailer pid 1186 invoked by uid 1000); Thu, 12 Jan 2023 07:36:07 -0000 From: Giovanni Biscuolo To: Liliana Marie Prikler , zimoun , Maxim Cournoyer Subject: Re: [bug#52109] [PATCH] gnu: Add unrar-free. In-Reply-To: Organization: Xelera.eu References: <87358rxgjk.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <325c0ef4-63ad-b45d-96ae-2cf248c37548@disroot.org> <871qoavyn2.fsf@gmail.com> <9336884519247fe7c9a9cf0d532eb8a79b954a7f.camel@gmail.com> <87358il4l0.fsf@gmail.com> <86sfgg1z6i.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 08:36:05 +0100 Message-ID: <87y1q8mcgq.fsf@xelera.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everybody, Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > Am Mittwoch, dem 11.01.2023 um 23:31 +0100 schrieb zimoun: [...] >> I agree with Maxim=E2=80=99s arguments.=C2=A0 From my point of view, unr= ar-free >> respects FSDG =E2=80=93 and since it is present in Trisquel, I assume th= is >> understanding of FSDG is shared =E2=80=93 to some extent. I also agree with _both_ Maxim arguments: 1. unrar-free is FSDG compliant, and I cannot see how this can be defined "point of view" :-) 2. 'unrar-free' potentially steering users toward 'unrar' (non-free) cannot be used as an argument to refuse 'unrar-free' inclusion in Guix Liliana please reply to this two specific points, in particular please tell us if you judge 'unrar-free' not to be FSDG compliant >> Even, I would say the Liliana=E2=80=99s opposite argument: it liberates = user >> from the non-free unrar by offering a free alternative.=C2=A0 And it is >> the case for all the free re-implementations, no? > From my point of view, it really doesn't. [...] > But as it stands right now, I see it as little more than a piece of > software that makes people go "but how do I get the _real_ unrar?", (I don't understand "cue people": is it a misprint?) OK I think you explained this argument very well and this goes under point 2. above: 'unrar-free' potentially steering users toward 'unrar' non-free I'd say that all liberated versions of non-free software could make people go "how do I get the _real_ one", no? For example Guix distributed browsers are lacking EME implementation (no DRM loading) and some other non-free "extensions" giving problems to users trying to use certain web services; we have ungoogled-chromium and I know people asking "how do I get the real Chrome"? > cue people sending each other advice on a certain channel dedicated to > non-free software. So, if I understand your last point, the problem you see is that "unrar-free" (alone?) steers people to send each other advice on channels including non-free software: could this be a reason not to include a FSDG compliant software in Guix? ...or it's just it's name containing 'unrar'? 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Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Thu, Jan 12, 2023, at 01:22, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > But as it stands right now, I see it as little more than a piece > of software that makes people go "but how do I get the _real_ unrar?", This argument, whether or not it has merit on its own, has no precedent within Guix as a reason to exclude a free software program. I'm sure most of us can name some Guix packages that we dislike because we see them in some unflattering or uncharitable way. But, we bite our tongues because Guix has a precedent of accepting freely licensed programs that are minimally functionally and not malware. Guix has had very liberal package acceptance criteria at least since I joined, if not since it began, and changing this precedent should require overwhelming consensus. If there is a concrete objection (not conjecture or speculation) to this patch based on the criteria of the FSDG and precedents of Guix package acceptance, please share it. Otherwise, I think the patch should be accepted. 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From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: Giovanni Biscuolo , zimoun , Maxim Cournoyer Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 21:29:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87y1q8mcgq.fsf@xelera.eu> References: <87358rxgjk.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <325c0ef4-63ad-b45d-96ae-2cf248c37548@disroot.org> <871qoavyn2.fsf@gmail.com> <9336884519247fe7c9a9cf0d532eb8a79b954a7f.camel@gmail.com> <87358il4l0.fsf@gmail.com> <86sfgg1z6i.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1q8mcgq.fsf@xelera.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am Donnerstag, dem 12.01.2023 um 08:36 +0100 schrieb Giovanni Biscuolo: > Hello everybody, >=20 > Liliana Marie Prikler writes: >=20 > > Am Mittwoch, dem 11.01.2023 um 23:31 +0100 schrieb zimoun: >=20 > [...] >=20 > > > I agree with Maxim=E2=80=99s arguments.=C2=A0 From my point of view, = unrar- > > > free respects FSDG =E2=80=93 and since it is present in Trisquel, I > > > assume this understanding of FSDG is shared =E2=80=93 to some extent. >=20 > I also agree with _both_ Maxim arguments: >=20 > 1. unrar-free is FSDG compliant, and I cannot see how this can be > defined "point of view" :-) >=20 > 2. 'unrar-free' potentially steering users toward 'unrar' (non-free) > cannot be used as an argument to refuse 'unrar-free' inclusion in > Guix >=20 > Liliana please reply to this two specific points, in particular > please tell us if you judge 'unrar-free' not to be FSDG compliant I already explained this in [1] but TL;DR, while it might be argued that it follows the letter of the FSDG, my personal opinion is that it does not follow the spirit.=20 > > > Even, I would say the Liliana=E2=80=99s opposite argument: it liberat= es > > > user from the non-free unrar by offering a free alternative.=C2=A0 An= d > > > it is the case for all the free re-implementations, no? > > From my point of view, it really doesn't. >=20 > [...] >=20 > > But as it stands right now, I see it as little more than a piece of > > software that makes people go "but how do I get the _real_ unrar?", >=20 > (I don't understand "cue people": is it a misprint?) Cue is a verb, which roughly means "to signal" or "to provoke" [2]. > I'd say that all liberated versions of non-free software could make > people go "how do I get the _real_ one", no?=C2=A0 For example Guix > distributed browsers are lacking EME implementation (no DRM loading) > and some other non-free "extensions" giving problems to users trying > to use certain web services; we have ungoogled-chromium and I know > people asking "how do I get the real Chrome"? ungoogled-chromium is a bad example imho, because it's two steps removed from Chrome. For one, there is the Chromium-Chrome split, where the former prides itself on removing some of the Google cruft and then you have ungoogled chromium on top of those patches to remove even more cruft. > > cue people sending each other advice on a certain channel dedicated > > to non-free software. >=20 > So, if I understand your last point, the problem you see is that > "unrar-free" (alone?) steers people to send each other advice on > channels including non-free software:=C2=A0 Perhaps not alone, you do need to also find one of those rar files that can't be opened by libarchive, which are not that hard to come by.* Now, I hope I'm not exaggerating when I say that most computer users use libarchive-based (un)archiving tools already. [3] Having observed this, I see little meaning in having a frontend, which per its name promises to open archives that their existing tooling can't handle, only to then reveal that it was the existing tooling all along. If it didn't have the name that suggested it was able to do that, no one would expect it to, and upon encountering an archive that libarchive can't handle, they could go "well, fuck those rar guys, I have better things to do", or they could try and figure out what's wrong and contribute a fix (not that a fix is easily contributed given the nature of this bug, but somewhere along their journey they'd notice that rar is proprietary garbage and not fault libarchive too hard for not handling it). Because unrar-free does have a name that suggests it's able to unrar those things, however, they will inevitably feel wronged no matter what and rather think "well, fuck unrar-free, I want unrar-nonfree". The above feels like a very basic HCI thing to me, I wonder why it takes like five mails to get across. > could this be a reason not to include a FSDG compliant software in > Guix? A free system distribution must not steer users towards obtaining any nonfree information for practical use, or encourage them to do so. [4] Cheers * Admittedly, you still have to make use of nonfree software to create such archives, but you'd also need them to create "normal" rar archives =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF [1] 9336884519247fe7c9a9cf0d532eb8a79b954a7f.camel@gmail.com [2] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cue#Verb [3] https://github.com/libarchive/libarchive/wiki/LibarchiveUsers [4] https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 12 15:49:51 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2023 20:49:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48689 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pG4WF-0001zG-GE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 15:49:51 -0500 Received: from mail-ed1-f68.google.com ([209.85.208.68]:33388) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pG4WE-0001z0-Ax for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 15:49:50 -0500 Received: by mail-ed1-f68.google.com with SMTP id b4so9031252edf.0 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 12:49:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:content-transfer-encoding:references :in-reply-to:date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=iMAKL4TwhbHVcuENz8x3Qb7j92FdPj4w7qJzmq3XbVQ=; b=mE/EbliZ5WyibkHZJgEJYUv+7LvnX8mNzzBFfH71WHJE52YRMvjdzEgQsvYNeR8Pzm ON4Dh5NWu21ts0WCelTjd+v2kSKnNQnURTeDCaRfr2sCW2A1cMiiW5bXZgnSCwZpfiRS EpbXvMvypzd3fu3vx8ScmNErP+NF4b3ZtcsYu14ins+BIFZAqrswxw65qKjg47mHT9Pn AHZvgVOJAtolOsHVrpMcfJsonMhdj7b9pcVcdcbCeGUt6w1bkWwrA9FQ42vYvchBX+N7 2+Iq1tGY0B4kvDzKPlQT6PeHMCYbJ281hLcAoXE8rr/zkjboHd3vvk5ztw/17zkqFKWf uz/g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:content-transfer-encoding:references :in-reply-to:date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=iMAKL4TwhbHVcuENz8x3Qb7j92FdPj4w7qJzmq3XbVQ=; b=fjIxjqvm7zSvx+3zZCH4ggdMeg7gdr1VyjhWkfB3CxmIU0kXKqIEAaTOQiXM5lAMnm 40L23uQqB6U+iBFOXYO9aDRUe/mkLEk53PgLZJwBbnwrytP2pAV550EWpoErviRxPkB+ cetdjQjoKVunkph29bGdOZlgZQ2Lq36wpIL81/ZK2MDdnSp0p5RKbuP0lFCH4eN0BSwq L5UHJHpLUF2SW07c6IJ2ICzO+nKqX1BurodSVBpwyuX+V+eq7yXI2lWhqXmtoF3c/Nc1 kHVEmhbT0sw6AxtiEbp2tiQG5W0mfQDl3vxebVZbRLDhcX8ZHoIH6dK20TjWuiGutax3 ypDQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kocSxfoskBOrGWMB/NUY5PrEmXS+uU0cSRHyBCteIBJkvXVXDW1 bvs1b+IcsIsSwQ2MbxTgsiA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXt5r1txsTUKvGunbLBA+4zGa/NVxVayfbW5Hmd5LjQfTTGF4UAglgRTuNBmgXOTHmjQZjCNqg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:b68:b0:499:b3fe:3b9 with SMTP id cb8-20020a0564020b6800b00499b3fe03b9mr14343732edb.34.1673556584310; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 12:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from lumine.fritz.box (85-127-52-93.dsl.dynamic.surfer.at. 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From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: Leo Famulari , zimoun , Maxim Cournoyer Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 21:49:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: <11a9bf3f-a51c-44af-bf8e-d6422d7ce07c@app.fastmail.com> References: <87358rxgjk.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <325c0ef4-63ad-b45d-96ae-2cf248c37548@disroot.org> <871qoavyn2.fsf@gmail.com> <9336884519247fe7c9a9cf0d532eb8a79b954a7f.camel@gmail.com> <87358il4l0.fsf@gmail.com> <86sfgg1z6i.fsf@gmail.com> <11a9bf3f-a51c-44af-bf8e-d6422d7ce07c@app.fastmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am Donnerstag, dem 12.01.2023 um 07:54 -0500 schrieb Leo Famulari: > On Thu, Jan 12, 2023, at 01:22, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > > But as it stands right now, I see it as little more than a piece > > of software that makes people go "but how do I get the _real_ > > unrar?", >=20 > This argument, whether or not it has merit on its own, has no > precedent within Guix as a reason to exclude a free software program. >=20 > I'm sure most of us can name some Guix packages that we dislike > because we see them in some unflattering or uncharitable way. But, we > bite our tongues because Guix has a precedent of accepting freely > licensed programs that are minimally functionally and not malware. > Guix has had very liberal package acceptance criteria at least since > I joined, if not since it began, and changing this precedent should > require overwhelming consensus. >=20 > If there is a concrete objection (not conjecture or speculation) to > this patch based on the criteria of the FSDG and precedents of Guix > package acceptance, please share it. Otherwise, I think the patch > should be accepted. For what it's worth, Guix also has a precedent of including things that go against its own criteria due to reviewer oversight, be it bundled libraries, both as source and blobs, or actually non-free software. In my personal opinion, aiming to be a little more thorough doesn't hurt that much :) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 12 16:54:49 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2023 21:54:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48720 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pG5X7-0003gN-Cl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 16:54:49 -0500 Received: from mail-qv1-f45.google.com ([209.85.219.45]:40697) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pG5X5-0003gA-Dp for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 16:54:47 -0500 Received: by mail-qv1-f45.google.com with SMTP id h10so13595241qvq.7 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 13:54:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:in-reply-to:date:references :subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=F3AbvffNivtjcukH+GBDfYmYxetmNA7/FrvEgzeJQio=; b=owk9PS2OAu8Z5qoBvyMnAhHSlM+Ug/nlyLm47XKiBE1U2rAYLWe2yVTtkU+wwlgTTX RwlINdMk3tAPTSM7O/TecW3d2FZj9TFKYjIQm1JQWNVyjZ/Qedn1wbrtKs0+oRyWAkZn GyCXg3bkYiRR4Qm3m4jAr4Z6jrMTVpXXiZLY3+LEW4D9M6BUlY73hNk063dRsyueiI5c RsqIaqwmK8+fjd+vM1Jf0aUxkV4F8Or4KCIVQMYQ60cd089h3585DEqxclVJtyIBmFyg nu5ZDBSA0pSr/drmTmGWFerls0PUbGRR42xyKIbQXffME4Xnxx0UWk1mqehrqE4jx2Xh mrcw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:in-reply-to:date:references :subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=F3AbvffNivtjcukH+GBDfYmYxetmNA7/FrvEgzeJQio=; b=mChSGwYJzUYt898Dpltcaa4ENg43aM68jdHlsfBc8Vf3Q5LTdZjhrghCBK3s5SnkrN zmqC3JSFWV0Y95HV4mIrfJTPTwzeaN1Tzj5b3QfZwZQllwPIC+MIxkcRSpmZGrd4JofT E+piMJLIPmrezRg/Eb2AJyzYSke9+FZ3m5aBoTIYguTRK/riN2/lCSldUtrBSVK7GZCy OFiIhP82FaqUoC+A93l2wBrjAAajJvBOUdC0dOnRzLgeuD9L4TjzHF7MCaYsTLBmuEQH 9WhvWACTXXFmX65OUd0OWWXCtOc39baoRo6Up2dl5ohkNwmiRKUxjQNJl8RDkoFYTWX7 5TBg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kos/lmxHuEuSJoVu+RuaCO1dAYR7nZMtY0rBlI8Dj1xzeq2F0T1 0Oa1s8+4SPTE9OET92g5tyY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXsmNTFahA8NBbfIZlgKXWU5SCI3dUN3hO13n3VHGvb91oGPgqc5M3CAicyomWxLpSRY1MA2SA== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:fd25:0:b0:513:e345:4ccd with SMTP id i5-20020a0cfd25000000b00513e3454ccdmr101824812qvs.37.1673560481972; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 13:54:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hurd (dsl-159-79.b2b2c.ca. [66.158.159.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w12-20020a05620a444c00b006f9ddaaf01esm11755688qkp.102.2023.01.12.13.54.41 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 12 Jan 2023 13:54:41 -0800 (PST) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Liliana Marie Prikler Subject: Re: [bug#52109] [PATCH] gnu: Add unrar-free. References: <87358rxgjk.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <325c0ef4-63ad-b45d-96ae-2cf248c37548@disroot.org> <871qoavyn2.fsf@gmail.com> <9336884519247fe7c9a9cf0d532eb8a79b954a7f.camel@gmail.com> <87358il4l0.fsf@gmail.com> <86sfgg1z6i.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1q8mcgq.fsf@xelera.eu> <4ad22b3194af69f3b8db5e471a1f4ced2118590f.camel@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 16:54:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4ad22b3194af69f3b8db5e471a1f4ced2118590f.camel@gmail.com> (Liliana Marie Prikler's message of "Thu, 12 Jan 2023 21:29:09 +0100") Message-ID: <87bkn3h10f.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , Giovanni Biscuolo , Foo Chuan Wei , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, zimoun X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Liliana, Liliana Marie Prikler writes: [...] > Now, I hope I'm not exaggerating when I say that most computer users > use libarchive-based (un)archiving tools already. [3] > Having observed this, I see little meaning in having a frontend, which > per its name promises to open archives that their existing tooling > can't handle, only to then reveal that it was the existing tooling all > along. If it didn't have the name that suggested it was able to do > that, no one would expect it to, and upon encountering an archive that > libarchive can't handle, they could go "well, fuck those rar guys, I > have better things to do", or they could try and figure out what's > wrong and contribute a fix (not that a fix is easily contributed given > the nature of this bug, but somewhere along their journey they'd notice > that rar is proprietary garbage and not fault libarchive too hard for > not handling it). Because unrar-free does have a name that suggests > it's able to unrar those things, however, they will inevitably feel > wronged no matter what and rather think "well, fuck unrar-free, I want > unrar-nonfree". Strong language is not welcome here. Please make an effort to keep it clean :-). -- Thanks, Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 12 18:07:23 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2023 23:07:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48830 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pG6fL-0005kS-KI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 18:07:23 -0500 Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.26]:43329) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pG6fK-0005kC-3s for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 18:07:22 -0500 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72315C00C6; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 18:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 12 Jan 2023 18:07:16 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=famulari.name; h=cc:cc:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender :subject:subject:to:to; s=mesmtp; t=1673564836; x=1673651236; bh=IjAZk+KDCoRzdALrdy3JvdsxYZm00+Ub9zcaec+AebY=; b=LHcycwhwScc6 Zi2weQUnYT2BY5iCs2k/RXgYygBjN1i/eqwP6+JYjjvd7x0LCvYf7Ws0a/MLsCFc RNsmnG4VCET3EEA0DlPd5NUyu185vZlfhrnu0hqMU3S4YzBNAFyjgkDaYz4XFL39 2ke+dCsQK3jySEqeQ5WGrPpBkCZhOFU= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:date:date:feedback-id :feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to :x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm3; t=1673564836; x=1673651236; bh=IjAZk+KDCoRzdALrdy3JvdsxYZm0 0+Ub9zcaec+AebY=; b=TeQz+MuNwSktZbWvMek7AVP0Ymn8rlVwhHyOWw4BbDUR KTKoes8JDCRfIjAFTLa6ogEFew4AOSAw2zrIwBL961lM7eWtFPzMTCFC7NYt7zd6 f1IJRWWdP+kaSR67UKXicx1jRA8+MuQcMu+9QuTXi5UaXTJeBamKVVuRlf+V4RdJ 5ufHIHahw4Ya8tLDHLXC4VyWgmSC149Q3FwTBVkzBByqsQoQmD3eHRc4LmaIrRVp BjimaQATaIWjwrupQWmgzRolhmhNOF0zUdwWpSDui4g7OgxUqQ1i/jjEaCDY469p pk1UIzo69VMAj9nFDnt5NuOULStTJjg6PRWdm6CW8A== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrleejgddtjecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpeffhffvvefukfhfgggtuggjsehttdertddttddvnecuhfhrohhmpefnvghoucfh rghmuhhlrghrihcuoehlvghosehfrghmuhhlrghrihdrnhgrmhgvqeenucggtffrrghtth gvrhhnpeeiteduheefkeeufeelgeduhfejgfelheefleeuhfeffffgueduleehvdejleei teenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehlvg hosehfrghmuhhlrghrihdrnhgrmhgv X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i819c4023:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 12 Jan 2023 18:07:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 18:07:14 -0500 From: Leo Famulari To: Liliana Marie Prikler Subject: Re: [bug#52109] [PATCH] gnu: Add unrar-free. Message-ID: References: <87358rxgjk.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <325c0ef4-63ad-b45d-96ae-2cf248c37548@disroot.org> <871qoavyn2.fsf@gmail.com> <9336884519247fe7c9a9cf0d532eb8a79b954a7f.camel@gmail.com> <87358il4l0.fsf@gmail.com> <86sfgg1z6i.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1q8mcgq.fsf@xelera.eu> <4ad22b3194af69f3b8db5e471a1f4ced2118590f.camel@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4ad22b3194af69f3b8db5e471a1f4ced2118590f.camel@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Maxim Cournoyer , zimoun , Giovanni Biscuolo , kiasoc5 , Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 09:29:09PM +0100, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > Now, I hope I'm not exaggerating when I say that most computer users > use libarchive-based (un)archiving tools already. [3] > Having observed this, I see little meaning in having a frontend, which > per its name promises to open archives that their existing tooling > can't handle, only to then reveal that it was the existing tooling all > along. If it didn't have the name that suggested it was able to do > that, no one would expect it to, and upon encountering an archive that > libarchive can't handle, they could go "well, fuck those rar guys, I > have better things to do", or they could try and figure out what's > wrong and contribute a fix (not that a fix is easily contributed given > the nature of this bug, but somewhere along their journey they'd notice > that rar is proprietary garbage and not fault libarchive too hard for > not handling it). Because unrar-free does have a name that suggests > it's able to unrar those things, however, they will inevitably feel > wronged no matter what and rather think "well, fuck unrar-free, I want > unrar-nonfree". In order to understand your points better, I'd like to summarize them in my own words. Please tell me if I get it wrong. Your objections to the inclusion of this package are that: 1) We already have a package with equivalent functionality 2) The name of this package, unrar-free, might lead users to choose a nonfree program due to similarity. Concretely, the nonfree program is called "unrar". Is that correct? 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From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: Leo Famulari Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2023 06:19:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <87358rxgjk.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <325c0ef4-63ad-b45d-96ae-2cf248c37548@disroot.org> <871qoavyn2.fsf@gmail.com> <9336884519247fe7c9a9cf0d532eb8a79b954a7f.camel@gmail.com> <87358il4l0.fsf@gmail.com> <86sfgg1z6i.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1q8mcgq.fsf@xelera.eu> <4ad22b3194af69f3b8db5e471a1f4ced2118590f.camel@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Maxim Cournoyer , zimoun , Giovanni Biscuolo , kiasoc5 , Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am Donnerstag, dem 12.01.2023 um 18:07 -0500 schrieb Leo Famulari: > On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 09:29:09PM +0100, Liliana Marie Prikler > wrote: > > Now, I hope I'm not exaggerating when I say that most computer > > users use libarchive-based (un)archiving tools already. [3] > > Having observed this, I see little meaning in having a frontend, > > which per its name promises to open archives that their existing > > tooling can't handle, only to then reveal that it was the existing > > tooling all along.=C2=A0 If it didn't have the name that suggested it > > was able to do that, no one would expect it to, and upon > > encountering an archive that libarchive can't handle, they could go > > "well, fuck those rar guys, I have better things to do", or they > > could try and figure out what's wrong and contribute a fix (not > > that a fix is easily contributed given the nature of this bug, but > > somewhere along their journey they'd notice that rar is proprietary > > garbage and not fault libarchive too hard for not handling it).=C2=A0 > > Because unrar-free does have a name that suggests it's able to > > unrar those things, however, they will inevitably feel wronged no > > matter what and rather think "well, fuck unrar-free, I want > > unrar-nonfree". >=20 > In order to understand your points better, I'd like to summarize them > in my own words. Please tell me if I get it wrong. >=20 > Your objections to the inclusion of this package are that: >=20 > 1) We already have a package with equivalent functionality > 2) The name of this package, unrar-free, might lead users to choose a > nonfree program due to similarity. Concretely, the nonfree program is > called "unrar". >=20 > Is that correct? For the equivalence relation of "both being able to open the same archives", yes. Obviously, unrar-free has a different CLI =E2=80=93 that's= is whole shtick, after all =E2=80=93 but I'd argue that this doesn't matter, because the people who prefer CLI over GUI know how to read manpages. 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(Re: [bug#52109] [PATCH] gnu: Add unrar-free.) In-Reply-To: <4ad22b3194af69f3b8db5e471a1f4ced2118590f.camel@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2023 16:20:32 +0100 Message-ID: <877cxqwjen.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Liliana, On jeu., 12 janv. 2023 at 21:29, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: >> could this be a reason not to include a FSDG compliant software in >> Guix? > > A free system distribution must not steer users towards obtaining any > nonfree information for practical use, or encourage them to do so. [4] Liliana, it is *your* interpretation that unrar-free is=E2=80=93quoting FSDG=E2=80=93=E2=80=9Csteering users toward obtaining any non-free informat= ion for practical use, or encourage them to do so=E2=80=9D. It is not the interpretation of Trisquel folks. It is not my interpretation and probably also not the interpretation of many other peers here. For instance, a previous version of unrar had been added by commit, 0da8313c679f101c3f99970c50d6f0fef995f633 Author: John Darrington AuthorDate: Wed Mar 1 07:00:05 2017 +0100 Commit: John Darrington CommitDate: Wed Mar 1 18:57:00 2017 +0100 and then removed by 2560aa7adbfcb46306e8b19180bd48d39c2da6dc: gnu: Remove unrar. This package is abandoned upstream and contains serious bugs: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2017/q3/329 https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=3DCVE-2017-14120 https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=3DCVE-2017-14121 https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=3DCVE-2017-14122 * gnu/packages/compression.scm (unrar): Remove variable. Therefore, I am still missing what is blocking. ;-) The fact that FSDG is poorly worded is one thing, indeed. This sentence =E2=80=9Csteering users toward obtaining any non-free information for pract= ical use, or encourage them to do so=E2=80=9D from these FSDG could also be interpreted to many other features =E2=80=93 another story. :-) >From my point of view, all the packages allowing interoperability across various operating system (including non-free ones) fits my understanding of the Liliana=E2=80=99s interpretation of =E2=80=9Csteer users toward obta= ining any non-free information for practical use, or encourage them to do so=E2=80=9D; interpretation mainly based =E2=80=93 again, if I understand correctly =E2= =80=93 on speculations about the user=E2=80=99s intention. Therefore, we should also remove the packages: mednafen, docx2txt, antiword, bochs, cabextract, cl-mssql, emacs-powershell, etc. Any free reimplementation potentially offers a degraded experience compared to the proprietary product. It does not appear to me an argument to raise that this potentially degraded experience leads to =E2=80=9Csteering users toward obtaining any non-free information for pract= ical use, or encourage them to do so=E2=80=9D. Even, from my point of view, it = is the contrary: a free reimplementation even with weakness is liberating. Last, I do not understand your Liliana argument about =C2=ABObviously, unrar-free has a different CLI =E2=80=93 that's is whole shtick, after all = =E2=80=93 but I'd argue that this doesn't matter, because the people who prefer CLI over GUI know how to read manpages.=C2=BB. Well, we could apply it many flavor of similar tools. For instance, you would be in favor to remove/drop the CLI dulwich provided by the package python-dulwich since CLI Dulwich user could just read the Git man pages. Or similarly bmake vs make, coreutils vs busybox vs toybox, etc. Without saying that I do not even know which Guix package provides this bsdtar tool, from this FreeBSD tar manpage [1], it is not clear if RAR is supported or not. To know it, one needs to open this other man page [2]. Bah, yes an easy CLI matters! All in all, it appears that we disagree. :-) Cheers, simon 1: 2: From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 13 13:18:13 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2023 18:18:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52348 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pGOd2-0003r9-LX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2023 13:18:13 -0500 Received: from mail-ej1-f67.google.com ([209.85.218.67]:46755) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pGOd0-0003qs-UH for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2023 13:18:11 -0500 Received: by mail-ej1-f67.google.com with SMTP id fy8so54040909ejc.13 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 13 Jan 2023 10:18:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:content-transfer-encoding:references :in-reply-to:date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=wtVXuYEwzmJyNd3/lfuKjYIdt2+2Wb8+bYndY8vVAPQ=; b=mC79cjYgUioJVipswYWWatzYwx69iElhBXSPGTqPDUGhZnSE9g7hy+StEiDOH4ISG5 qBZK1SC7dLIRVu5mqRaAnA+zQ2sS4uTnSMY1Ae5A0Ly48jFLZehIc9lGqfK9pvrUpHkb km3QP1QKFRb6iNwYEq+aSbOxRss5dI9AcVZ5WD8Ppx1sVDH5ns0Zwk95UTMYNDWnBeec rERwKjJuEQl021bep9uFsjEei1OiLHm4h4k78RDuH9iLuBUJHMo8thY5tP0dmyR0oyfU Mz1SWimEMO/LpPhxYHn78C88kQ8Dp2usxDJW/iJFvtYSFZd/cWaxxX0Js8d1iSaSaxSx t82w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:content-transfer-encoding:references :in-reply-to:date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=wtVXuYEwzmJyNd3/lfuKjYIdt2+2Wb8+bYndY8vVAPQ=; b=EWQXaxk87nytCENLNAemUZNn/9RuAQ9ld3aqTvbSBKJZWT4RGaqfvTaKYLZKmHOkJ3 576STzhQHEzS0WS2SnA9lOiUtJhk0JClHDC0KnwRKtWzX73khJHGCOCOQx9gFwuUWPfZ 2+faV8GVbzK4ZuCRp0/sbZQOEIcWO+dJen5rdNv97G/UHGzLTtqz7SLVmVzDqidofCL+ RjkVgq/53uw9W1q3SJ78DuirF4F/LY3F9WzZaNEAotN6gDteeO6RDsg3UkBceN7+W9za VsyjMUlD8IpZgYYA1ZlrJ/gqmXyB4sdR4Pyr1VWQNtLo7r65HcUM+biWt0SCXPY3Tqiv d2vA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kr1iQcQAH03wcroxMW7ZPlVg9HYg2j4l7UwpnFkLX6OSs1WHWES uILxZCo8YFBNs2xbpSfE07U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXtCwGe4TxeCM460lMFu6grpeOVYHNF2aY4tJbDd89KHkBwJY/GseEywI8oHdkmntUkvcUC7Nw== X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:4d6:b0:84d:3a95:cdf5 with SMTP id vz22-20020a17090704d600b0084d3a95cdf5mr16592878ejb.10.1673633884946; Fri, 13 Jan 2023 10:18:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from lumine.fritz.box (85-127-52-93.dsl.dynamic.surfer.at. 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From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: Simon Tournier , Giovanni Biscuolo , Maxim Cournoyer Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2023 19:18:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: <877cxqwjen.fsf@gmail.com> References: <877cxqwjen.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am Freitag, dem 13.01.2023 um 16:20 +0100 schrieb Simon Tournier: > Hi Liliana, >=20 > On jeu., 12 janv. 2023 at 21:29, Liliana Marie Prikler > wrote: >=20 > > > could this be a reason not to include a FSDG compliant software > > > in Guix? > >=20 > > A free system distribution must not steer users towards obtaining > > any nonfree information for practical use, or encourage them to do > > so. [4] >=20 > Liliana, it is *your* interpretation that unrar-free is=E2=80=93quoting > FSDG=E2=80=93=E2=80=9Csteering users toward obtaining any non-free inform= ation for > practical use, or encourage them to do so=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 It is not the > interpretation of Trisquel folks.=C2=A0 It is not my interpretation and > probably also not the interpretation of many other peers here. I am aware of that and I pointed that out myself several times already. > For instance, a previous version of unrar had been added by commit, >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0da8313c679f101c3f99970c50d6f0= fef995f633 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Author:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 John Darrington > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 AuthorDate: Wed Mar 1 07:00:05= 2017 +0100 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Commit:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 John Darrington > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 CommitDate: Wed Mar 1 18:57:00= 2017 +0100 >=20 > and then removed by 2560aa7adbfcb46306e8b19180bd48d39c2da6dc: >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 gnu: Remove unrar. >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This package is abandoned upst= ream and contains serious bugs: >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://seclists.org/oss-sec/20= 17/q3/329 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/= cvename.cgi?name=3DCVE-2017-14120 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/= cvename.cgi?name=3DCVE-2017-14121 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/= cvename.cgi?name=3DCVE-2017-14122 >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * gnu/packages/compression.scm= (unrar): Remove variable. >=20 > Therefore, I am still missing what is blocking. ;-) I mean, I am not the only person, who can sign off commits here. I am merely raising my own concerns w.r.t. this package and refusing to sign off the commit myself =E2=80=93 I am not hindering anyone else from picking= it up. Now, I can't exactly give you my written permission to do so, but I will at least promise not to exercise my commit rights to revert it without some more pressing issue (like the CVEs noted above). > The fact that FSDG is poorly worded is one thing, indeed.=C2=A0 This > sentence =E2=80=9Csteering users toward obtaining any non-free informatio= n > for practical use, or encourage them to do so=E2=80=9D from these FSDG co= uld > also be interpreted to many other features =E2=80=93 another story. :-) Sure. > From my point of view, all the packages allowing interoperability > across various operating system (including non-free ones) fits my > understanding of the Liliana=E2=80=99s interpretation of =E2=80=9Csteer u= sers toward > obtaining any non-free information for practical use, or encourage > them to do so=E2=80=9D; interpretation mainly based =E2=80=93 again, if I= understand > correctly =E2=80=93 on speculations about the user=E2=80=99s intention.= =C2=A0 Therefore, > we should also remove the packages: mednafen, docx2txt, antiword, > bochs, cabextract, cl-mssql, emacs-powershell, etc. I fear your interpretation is made up of speculations of my intentions, or in other words straw. I do argue however, that for most people when they go seek out unrar-free, then it'd be because the archiver of their choice failed them, in which case unrar-free won't be able to do anything. Of the examples you list here, only cabextract is close in spirit to unrar-free, with the difference that cabextract relies on the CLI-less libmspack. If libmspack shipped with a CLI of its own that handles cabs, I would argue that cabextract is pretty pointless, but nonetheless it ironically doesn't even feature name confusion. > Any free reimplementation potentially offers a degraded experience > compared to the proprietary product.=C2=A0 It does not appear to me an > argument to raise that this potentially degraded experience leads to > =E2=80=9Csteering users toward obtaining any non-free information for > practical use, or encourage them to do so=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 Even, from my p= oint of > view, it is the contrary: a free reimplementation even with weakness > is liberating. The thing is, you don't need unrar-free to get a degraded experience of unpacking rar archives. Any libarchive-based archive manager will do, most of which offer a more complete package. > Last, I do not understand your Liliana argument about =C2=ABObviously, > unrar-free has a different CLI =E2=80=93 that's is whole shtick, after al= l =E2=80=93 > but I'd argue that this doesn't matter, because the people who prefer > CLI over GUI know how to read manpages.=C2=BB.=C2=A0 Well, we could apply= it > many flavor of similar tools.=C2=A0 For instance, you would be in favor t= o > remove/drop the CLI dulwich provided by the package python-dulwich > since CLI Dulwich user could just read the Git man pages.=C2=A0 Or > similarly bmake vs make, coreutils vs busybox vs toybox, etc. If any of these packages were only offering alternative CLIs for another tool while also inviting name confusion, yes, I would be in favour of removing them. But that is not the case in any of the examples you list here. For the dulwich example, yes, it provides an alternative frontend to git, but the value of that package is that it's a pure python implementation of the git protocol, i.e. it doesn't use libgit.=20 (Interestingly, git is used as native input, presumably for testing purposes.) For bmake vs. GNU Make, I think that those are two different tools that do the same job similar to clang and gcc both being C compilers. Now removing clang because we have gcc would admittedly be pretty based, but sadly not an option, because some programs depend on certain implementation-defined behaviour of clang (and other parts of its infrastructure). For coreutils, busybox and toybox, these are again different implementations of the same thing with slight variations. Now, based on the controversial move of being GPL2 only, one could decide to remove busybox in favour of the rollover-licensed toybox, but as it stands I believe neither project steers users towards nonfree software either by name or otherwise. For contrast, the case we have with unrar-free is that we have a CLI in libarchive (bsdtar) and a different CLI in unrar-free, both of which use libarchive. This would be roughly equivalent to me making a new=C2=A0 CLI frontend for wine and calling it pro^H^H^Hwin10. > Without saying that I do not even know which Guix package provides > this bsdtar tool, from this FreeBSD tar manpage [1], it is not clear > if RAR is supported or not.=C2=A0 To know it, one needs to open this othe= r > man page [2].=C2=A0 Bah, yes an easy CLI matters! I hazard a guess that you didn't have to unpack many RAR archives via CLI then. Which fair enough, because there are other libarchive frontends to further prove my point that unrar-free is not needed. > All in all, it appears that we disagree. :-) That it does :) Cheers From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 13 13:29:38 2023 Received: (at 52109-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2023 18:29:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52374 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pGOo5-0004Ay-Me for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2023 13:29:38 -0500 Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.29]:58633) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pGOo3-0004Ak-1z for 52109-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2023 13:29:36 -0500 Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7775C011A; Fri, 13 Jan 2023 13:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 13 Jan 2023 13:29:29 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=famulari.name; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:date:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to; s=mesmtp; t=1673634569; x=1673720969; bh=/SVcq09u4fm/HquOe5qgdu23rU0zGZp3NRKC5IaoB/4=; b= nfs5ZoXAe/dc/swlokoLcd5zkRvCgp+sDTzH0UKnBwRBqsOKwq387kybCoeCOMfK UvTWo6Uh5OCsdqEOhO7MH08zmh502sVwbDdGPA8czyKt6C6gKCbmAPrDn1Rh/Bmw lZbD4cEj/3/eBbxglzm9RMmaUJ1J9GBqhqxorNtWGyE= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender :subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=1673634569; x=1673720969; bh=/ SVcq09u4fm/HquOe5qgdu23rU0zGZp3NRKC5IaoB/4=; b=L6DI0W3d8IdA4mSyl dGqAzjj+SP64lzn6BmjLryG6SRxofO2u0vKVqCupa+/X4E9aFSe6z4qhRrucMls6 boPaHbV+6FYZHneiOnk28UW0gKEfs36VO87IKsvxanfKjSuZDiJKdi3AY5hRwcjE gkoA38i391Yi0SnpXfUf82n7cSzomgxB0a3pk/0pi1Gly7s8kMU65nYAJj3TXwi9 +v1byhD++3muhxlBc+xSbXfoflAWIurkLdJdH39MXcXQislIA+JFYo+Hc8kLOinw vLiYCH9Vjk+ZGj/edQOnDEH8uLw/nBelh1dTde22pBVi+sSdCEENZngT1bgJzIys zTksA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrleekgdduuddtucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkfhggtggugfgjsehtke ertddttddunecuhfhrohhmpefnvghoucfhrghmuhhlrghrihcuoehlvghosehfrghmuhhl rghrihdrnhgrmhgvqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeugefguddvffffveetfeekleefie fftdejfeevgfduieegieevgeduhfdtudetudenucffohhmrghinhepghhithhlrggsrdgt ohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheplh gvohesfhgrmhhulhgrrhhirdhnrghmvg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i819c4023:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for <52109-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 13 Jan 2023 13:29:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2023 13:29:26 -0500 From: Leo Famulari To: 52109-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: [bug#52109] [PATCH] gnu: Add unrar-free. Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 03:19:28PM +0000, Foo Chuan Wei wrote: > * gnu/packages/compression.scm (unrar-free): New variable. Thanks! Pushed as 949f88b1e5c1755a71c8b05b202c836f4161d36b. Then I updated the package in a subsequent commit. Sorry for the ridiculous delay. > --- > gnu/packages/compression.scm | 31 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > 1 file changed, 31 insertions(+) > > diff --git a/gnu/packages/compression.scm b/gnu/packages/compression.scm > index 0a993d1550..deef04a1b1 100644 > --- a/gnu/packages/compression.scm > +++ b/gnu/packages/compression.scm > @@ -33,6 +33,7 @@ > ;;; Copyright © 2021 Antoine Côté > ;;; Copyright © 2021 Vincent Legoll > ;;; Copyright © 2021 Maxim Cournoyer > +;;; Copyright © 2021 Foo Chuan Wei > ;;; > ;;; This file is part of GNU Guix. > ;;; > @@ -2715,6 +2716,36 @@ compression and decompression. The supported formats are: > ") > (license license:expat))) > > +(define-public unrar-free > + (package > + (name "unrar-free") > + (version "0.1.1") > + (source > + (origin > + (method git-fetch) > + (uri (git-reference > + (url "https://gitlab.com/bgermann/unrar-free") > + (commit version))) > + (file-name (git-file-name name version)) > + (sha256 > + (base32 "0l9xdygk8ki8471lmg8xkb58zq07cb9hy44pqz1hlyhgsvrb6vss")))) > + (build-system gnu-build-system) > + (inputs > + `(("libarchive" ,libarchive))) > + (native-inputs > + `(("autoconf" ,autoconf) > + ("automake" ,automake) > + ("pkg-config" ,pkg-config))) > + (home-page "https://gitlab.com/bgermann/unrar-free") > + (synopsis "Extract files from RAR archives") > + (description > + "@code{unrar-free} is a free software version of the non-free @code{unrar} > +utility. This program is a simple command-line front-end to libarchive, and can > +list and extract not only RAR archives but also other formats supported by > +libarchive. It does not rival the non-free @code{unrar} in terms of features, > +but special care has been taken to ensure it meets most user's needs.") > + (license license:gpl2+))) > + > (define-public tarlz > (package > (name "tarlz") > > base-commit: ea7233befb9570cce47e5ca71725b285a580cd22 > -- > 2.25.1 > > > > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 16 06:51:59 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jan 2023 11:51:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60623 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pHO1u-0005jV-T5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2023 06:51:59 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-f41.google.com ([209.85.128.41]:33449) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pHO1t-0005jE-Ch for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2023 06:51:57 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-f41.google.com with SMTP id z8-20020a05600c220800b003d33b0bda11so3830008wml.0 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 16 Jan 2023 03:51:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:date:references :in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=UDT2CnsPxyJTEwuWlVAZuNXDP6NcHhZ0KUyKZ/sArlI=; b=fMXQG9N2qhnmFL7v+Z9itc66+tAvgd+GXMQS755Jg00UC8wghlKVyBfJErt45utzz6 gPCPciDxWVmNspEILr3PkCMGac3ZxfGJcLk05t/OAIgGYYtY1tXjavqzbtNcJgkVslRi 9uNFenmNfTXm9nrzMvTQuce1kk8pQOSOG4NoeKPq4a5OZuyLv3JCkJ9XyQUr9hwnF7fL 7sqZqZYoNKBbHBphgPHZAgWpPE7xMLaBcILUHWo2NVIncSmOP+a/reD0VolJt9y/F8sG /g8LqsEqoO72tOwJF3sRBmivPKBXzBCWS2Uje2/GQryuelY2G2VLBf1M4gQU5Isz8aND CAKQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:date:references :in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=UDT2CnsPxyJTEwuWlVAZuNXDP6NcHhZ0KUyKZ/sArlI=; b=bc1/55TuM6UpounYjUz6h7MB6p/WjGlkYqkPshi41e0CeSfDDMbqzb5L6Lnwfv1T34 ViDM8Nek9EOXYS3RKieVgnnB0MbV5qzHX1eHGIeOVIEpXgTxDcYj1FXZ5/7xl/3c6BIO X/8Q4eP9DmP/LTF7v3UfnlAEc8qoqJsEan8fJ77jT4SbrPYlUzW9d3LwOOtYgip5VV+p yqlOhtKmNYuc1q3A3qZoiQLwXl5HvNEkhtqSDiF5611NfdiwbxM3y3fdtww1SfEjiyGx T4eg0EatzkBGLPp4Djlc3TV8OmvSU8H6CFq9DEYO3Zvmt+PSqVkw1nX8EVis5vl1jjVv 5mEA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kpwKdjDhA5sV0AaA4BRmzf/YFCL8Dvqk7i/Lvm6ZlVualPG2RLE FULGYzwx8sJc99tL+x7xBTU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXtS86aYZvmFMscTuJWOTqxT7JKhJ3zVZlxcNNytEiCSl+OB4nVjoIKr/Fee+5+t8zznBk5wZg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:3b93:b0:3c6:c5d9:dad3 with SMTP id n19-20020a05600c3b9300b003c6c5d9dad3mr16675846wms.0.1673869911455; Mon, 16 Jan 2023 03:51:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pfiuh07 ([193.48.40.241]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m18-20020a05600c4f5200b003c71358a42dsm50779767wmq.18.2023.01.16.03.51.50 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 16 Jan 2023 03:51:50 -0800 (PST) From: Simon Tournier To: Liliana Marie Prikler , Giovanni Biscuolo , Maxim Cournoyer Subject: Re: [bug#52109] How to resolve? (Re: [bug#52109] [PATCH] gnu: Add unrar-free.) In-Reply-To: References: <877cxqwjen.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 10:46:30 +0100 Message-ID: <87o7qyvmkp.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Liliana, On ven., 13 janv. 2023 at 19:18, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > I hazard a guess that you didn't have to unpack many RAR archives via > CLI then. Which fair enough, because there are other libarchive > frontends to further prove my point that unrar-free is not needed. Your guess is incorrect. I unpack RAR archives via CLI using=E2=80=A6 unrar-free from Debian =E2=80=93 I collaborate with people running Windows = where RAR is very common. Well, I just notice that even after this long thread, I do not still know how to extract RAR archives using another tool than unrar-free. Out of curiosity, how can I extract RAR archives using Guix without unrar-free? Liliana, you mentioned BSDtar but =E2=80=9Cguix search=E2=80= =9D does not return something relevant. Please, could you indicate me how to extract RAR archives using Guix without unrar-free? 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Content preview: Am Montag, dem 16.01.2023 um 10:46 +0100 schrieb Simon Tournier: > Hi Liliana, > > On ven., 13 janv. 2023 at 19:18, Liliana Marie Prikler > wrote: > > > I hazard a guess that you didn't have to unpa [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (liliana.prikler[at]gmail.com) 1.3 RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL RBL: Relay in Validity RPBL, https://senderscore.org/blocklistlookup/ [209.85.208.66 listed in bl.score.senderscore.com] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [209.85.208.66 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.208.66 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) Am Montag, dem 16.01.2023 um 10:46 +0100 schrieb Simon Tournier: > Hi Liliana, >=20 > On ven., 13 janv. 2023 at 19:18, Liliana Marie Prikler > wrote: >=20 > > I hazard a guess that you didn't have to unpack many RAR archives > > via CLI then.=C2=A0 Which fair enough, because there are other > > libarchive frontends to further prove my point that unrar-free is > > not needed. >=20 > Your guess is incorrect.=C2=A0 I unpack RAR archives via CLI using=E2=80= =A6 > unrar-free from Debian =E2=80=93 I collaborate with people running Window= s > where RAR is very common. >=20 > Well, I just notice that even after this long thread, I do not still > know how to extract RAR archives using another tool than unrar-free. >=20 > Out of curiosity, how can I extract RAR archives using Guix without > unrar-free?=C2=A0 Liliana, you mentioned BSDtar but =E2=80=9Cguix search= =E2=80=9D does not > return something relevant.=C2=A0 Please, could you indicate me how to > extract RAR archives using Guix without unrar-free? $ guix shell --pure libarchive -- bsdtar -xf $YOUR_ARCHIVE In addition to that, note how file-roller, which comes with the default GNOME setup, also handles RAR. 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(Re: [bug#52109] [PATCH] gnu: Add unrar-free.) In-Reply-To: <69bf571edfe9834851ddcd9f93e8158983b42612.camel@gmail.com> References: <877cxqwjen.fsf@gmail.com> <87o7qyvmkp.fsf@gmail.com> <69bf571edfe9834851ddcd9f93e8158983b42612.camel@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 17:38:09 +0100 Message-ID: <87bkmytoy6.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Liliana, On lun., 16 janv. 2023 at 14:56, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > $ guix shell --pure libarchive -- bsdtar -xf $YOUR_ARCHIVE Thanks. I will update libarchive description, if no one beats me. Because it is far from clear that libarchive comes with these 3 binaries: =E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 bin =E2=94=82=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 bsdcat =E2=94=82=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 bsdcpio =E2=94=82=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=94=94=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 bsdtar Cheers, simon From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 21 11:28:20 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2023 16:28:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49640 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJGj6-0005dT-28 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 11:28:20 -0500 Received: from mail-wr1-f49.google.com ([209.85.221.49]:44850) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJGiy-0005cX-UQ for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 11:28:13 -0500 Received: by mail-wr1-f49.google.com with SMTP id bk16so7286906wrb.11 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 08:28:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=gZv1Ox5iKdxzvsgZAC3rnoANCgTnep3jFUTtdgAMUnY=; b=pcVdeOdQ5YBwaZ/p/3wYDQI42d43m/J4L0Gpgu6vnjHcH0DtYjTBtsztP5gg22YYUj 7nhSXygmy3zQ67PPnm5vQJG9UIT/w/n3FBPYwbPBXS+CN3RPKrhzmKxeb4zm7j/lhJNC XP27lBx0Rw++GZP0HKSuoSp4Ygul7CBnH6UjJ/TyTTtBxxSszYypZo1vM0o/FtqNeKEz TMk8we7sabzqe2tya8bHZzCgoWFmN0Rb/K6+yTXDwnSp8k+dvgp1ZbhlEKecs4k0JwSs fnkSaNucB4L8ZRL17y3wzGu/Sjyll+HxIieU+O3frCYEHCxut6gXywvDLFGrHhLGgI0T 1xGg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=gZv1Ox5iKdxzvsgZAC3rnoANCgTnep3jFUTtdgAMUnY=; b=Jct4SAW11IIXibwwKOZ94MnKIJi/bw/5e8RMxtyK89N3IvW4I2JTvThNpn0lYnOn4I 6qk6SIKlxe++Dx9ZNfn5grNK0boRoYbWlvEIu9C5BzYJTEw0E+CuxGNGm+RhgAF2ZLYp hEXzVb4cSLMDtbRHS0D+nek6UbvQuOaxDgguCpifbd6QZq39AnwxbXmXogtH+WrduDNC JON0SB38PNt9JsY2hgPM3HUl1FW2hCdbtC8S6zMlr6kqEtCiKX8MU1bCFdl76u9NdEk1 SZ8ihJ2ajpoEZXhWxEbLd/tlZRiWo2f5FETYRATTKvVyMjT1Cb32/g67ZojeUJkwF4qd cOsQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kolR102PIsJjE47uGoAJx2ZnERsQlZbWM0sXQf55uRuz1s8Gsho /OdXgE3t0UDWFeR5nvXIZy4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXvfo6Uc/SAAoEKLf6okSLSGZrhkaQJrcqqd2dwPLyDMsT1da0HsAdmJippmYYClf76nqYQeww== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:98d:b0:242:879c:1e29 with SMTP id by13-20020a056000098d00b00242879c1e29mr3911490wrb.2.1674318487245; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 08:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from lili ([2a01:e0a:59b:9120:65d2:2476:f637:db1e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q17-20020a056000137100b002be4ff0c917sm4645001wrz.84.2023.01.21.08.28.06 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 21 Jan 2023 08:28:06 -0800 (PST) From: zimoun To: Liliana Marie Prikler , Giovanni Biscuolo , Maxim Cournoyer Subject: Mention bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar in description of libarchive In-Reply-To: <87bkmytoy6.fsf@gmail.com> References: <877cxqwjen.fsf@gmail.com> <87o7qyvmkp.fsf@gmail.com> <69bf571edfe9834851ddcd9f93e8158983b42612.camel@gmail.com> <87bkmytoy6.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 17:09:22 +0100 Message-ID: <86bkmr3m4t.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Hi Liliana, On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 at 17:38, Simon Tournier wrote: > Thanks. I will update libarchive description, if no one beats me. Please find attach the patch. :-) If it appears to you fine, could you merge it? Cheers, simon --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: inline; filename=0001-gnu-libarchive-Mention-bsdcat-bsdcpio-and-bsdtar-in-.patch Content-Description: p.patch >From 6947165af4e53821662049aac847a50fc470c49e Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Simon Tournier Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 17:04:56 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] gnu: libarchive: Mention bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar in description. * gnu/packages/backup.scm (libarchive)[description]: Mention the utilities bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar. --- gnu/packages/backup.scm | 4 +++- 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/gnu/packages/backup.scm b/gnu/packages/backup.scm index 8e629c2592..7e8282da20 100644 --- a/gnu/packages/backup.scm +++ b/gnu/packages/backup.scm @@ -333,7 +333,9 @@ (define-public libarchive as gzip and bzip2. The library is inherently stream-oriented; readers serially iterate through the archive, writers serially add things to the archive. In particular, note that there is currently no built-in support for -random access nor for in-place modification.") +random access nor for in-place modification. + +This package also provides the three utilities bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar.") 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[85.127.52.93]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id cs3-20020a0564020c4300b0046dd0c2a08esm18985689edb.36.2023.01.21.09.59.49 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 21 Jan 2023 09:59:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mention bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar in description of libarchive From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: zimoun , Giovanni Biscuolo , Maxim Cournoyer Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 18:59:48 +0100 In-Reply-To: <86bkmr3m4t.fsf@gmail.com> References: <877cxqwjen.fsf@gmail.com> <87o7qyvmkp.fsf@gmail.com> <69bf571edfe9834851ddcd9f93e8158983b42612.camel@gmail.com> <87bkmytoy6.fsf@gmail.com> <86bkmr3m4t.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am Samstag, dem 21.01.2023 um 17:09 +0100 schrieb zimoun: > Hi Liliana, >=20 > On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 at 17:38, Simon Tournier > wrote: >=20 > > Thanks.=C2=A0 I will update libarchive description, if no one beats me. >=20 > Please find attach the patch. :-)=C2=A0 If it appears to you fine, could > you merge it? Hmm, I fear that this line doesn't do much except helping folk to grep for "bsdtar" et al. Should we perhaps explain in a sentence or two what those commands do? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 21 15:01:01 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2023 20:01:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49827 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJK2u-0005eW-LW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 15:01:00 -0500 Received: from mail-qt1-f180.google.com ([209.85.160.180]:38620) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJK2s-0005eE-NA for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 15:00:59 -0500 Received: by mail-qt1-f180.google.com with SMTP id z9so6830934qtv.5 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 12:00:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:in-reply-to:date:references :subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Jwi0LQESczA06f0/uNRsa1qtZsvNQPVS/U3SKKfee8Q=; b=VztzHTiHu/zy7vC0M3RNDmiJgAujALQeSyLyIL6opkypQuySqfjs7pgABBQ2lTUbmt SGITj3zOoVqnI68+lq1nZgw80oAdtsX1f+3Q8qPVkH+UVKjBCGVN+Sj+gHzge6w1z+YC tGPfIJyWPqjhjac+a1OLJELC1S8lGyMlEqVG+H3RaAOPcv7UujBhkXC1bni6/FlZNy3Q RgZaDe4GozP7GDYyv/0fkcZc1cUNLBcZNLtEVMEk6OWTnorsXAMXEz9pPq15Kxs2ptQ6 yT6mWDPWMKvGleQQ1p6ZOXc3Z01AjDJn/LhcRMbnp7keSNU4zLXdHCUAxtbfCeqjXl5R /Z4Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:in-reply-to:date:references :subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=Jwi0LQESczA06f0/uNRsa1qtZsvNQPVS/U3SKKfee8Q=; b=XH5p0xXVGIhX7lyuLmN9PzXHHd9FfVGhqeZktvIhrnZQlWAglKky1frW6gOrDPUjEH V1MPW7gIye+w6EfG0N2s8P9IankSgpjtNjhQIpIM2Kpn3MO9XrWvEx5aAaj61eTlMOQQ CMWgQS1iF7MHiWLpUc8qs7umzFL3KAnj1ejQat0Ul6h1qNJiTLJMjE9yiY6UBBvX9Hn9 VA58wJj1RoFKv+P4iZBZQeNT0Jbh+o6ZA5L3J0VIt+2c1b+4j1bYW9uzN7UiCFPah7Bt yKUkNHvorBYNbNxCD5Mu55yftAniU2YTq9biwWxq2deiRPc1rU03K2FOqPlpd3sbc6+h GwaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kpJSU0SDNyShobfkuM+4y4qe+WNRwRpMN32pXbdyk18XI4CHLWQ Ubx8hMdY4lgWvt8J25QqsIc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXvkMY4cQIr3VnZf4VVpw1611eEQo0wWRAMkKMfwStAV2wey5sniRhPbE09+PrWw/0KRXFR+jw== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:51d2:0:b0:3b5:7c0a:5968 with SMTP id d18-20020ac851d2000000b003b57c0a5968mr39066275qtn.68.1674331253084; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 12:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from hurd ([2607:fad8:4:3::1001]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r13-20020ac87eed000000b003b6302f2580sm9479605qtc.22.2023.01.21.12.00.52 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 21 Jan 2023 12:00:52 -0800 (PST) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: zimoun Subject: Re: Mention bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar in description of libarchive References: <877cxqwjen.fsf@gmail.com> <87o7qyvmkp.fsf@gmail.com> <69bf571edfe9834851ddcd9f93e8158983b42612.camel@gmail.com> <87bkmytoy6.fsf@gmail.com> <86bkmr3m4t.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 15:00:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: <86bkmr3m4t.fsf@gmail.com> (zimoun's message of "Sat, 21 Jan 2023 17:09:22 +0100") Message-ID: <874jsj3bf0.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , Giovanni Biscuolo , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei , Liliana Marie Prikler X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello Simon, zimoun writes: > Hi Liliana, > > On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 at 17:38, Simon Tournier wrote: > >> Thanks. I will update libarchive description, if no one beats me. > > Please find attach the patch. :-) If it appears to you fine, could you > merge it? > > Cheers, > simon > > > From 6947165af4e53821662049aac847a50fc470c49e Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Simon Tournier > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 17:04:56 +0100 > Subject: [PATCH] gnu: libarchive: Mention bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar in > description. > > * gnu/packages/backup.scm (libarchive)[description]: Mention the utilities > bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar. > --- > gnu/packages/backup.scm | 4 +++- > 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) > > diff --git a/gnu/packages/backup.scm b/gnu/packages/backup.scm > index 8e629c2592..7e8282da20 100644 > --- a/gnu/packages/backup.scm > +++ b/gnu/packages/backup.scm > @@ -333,7 +333,9 @@ (define-public libarchive > as gzip and bzip2. The library is inherently stream-oriented; readers > serially iterate through the archive, writers serially add things to the > archive. In particular, note that there is currently no built-in support for > -random access nor for in-place modification.") > +random access nor for in-place modification. > + > +This package also provides the three utilities bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar.") > (license license:bsd-2))) > Nitpick, but I'd use "also provides the @command{bsdcat}, @command{bsdcpio} and @command{bsdtar} commands.", for the extra eye-pleasing effect. -- Thanks, Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 21 15:02:39 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2023 20:02:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49831 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJK4V-0005iI-6a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 15:02:39 -0500 Received: from mail-vk1-f177.google.com ([209.85.221.177]:46922) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJK4T-0005i1-47 for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 15:02:37 -0500 Received: by mail-vk1-f177.google.com with SMTP id q141so4159430vkb.13 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 12:02:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id :in-reply-to:date:references:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=BMWh+qWsYC0ok8rj73dN/DG2mNTAItQeQHq1yZdtHtM=; b=pKYrgLAUpwFHGDG+Ijc2NIz6FvIVjB1pluLXOmqhc5ud67jDZKRZxloWhDr0OeLh0M JHH3fI29OPtvHjknKD58xUIYWRueR8UPiSSG2lJDkB4eZ8++9KeK2/8unEq6j828kGmj UsE46MApDsPiEj8Jic/CPT7Z0K6ElPdIGQfWldg2z2ES+PbEJp5S/dDmBX3C6lk6Jn9Z 9JaUwYQ9uEmVj3iVjG3uVayX/64i3cYb00PBfqT7ke6i6E7pjvXWg3Or7mdZJOqlrINN VtmfI2N16pHmS5C3lNcHCf5eQu+gVTYptHzvs1b3ukKu96VPizHFl1iWpKpqxwfED6+L IByQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id :in-reply-to:date:references:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=BMWh+qWsYC0ok8rj73dN/DG2mNTAItQeQHq1yZdtHtM=; b=VUhbD0NO0zaBokZutmBRXek2ydqBh7tT9eF09STSLY/Bwu3dzOaHXJQL7eLR2fKl/l B8ljjJWWF+tTpoOh6s3lU8FhZSvCGZ4QbxU8yS4kcIW0SdwPsksjfLfyQKi609Dd5TCu +u8jrliZtyjLZExkQEdLQ12uhEo4MGrVn6U/4uCKhOE/Bvcpq3eSTX00/i9BemD8pz6R H4sTIaEaH2rYStle1Dnw0xGcLST+0qhnrgit5UUovjzb9PlmQuSSMCriltc9xO1KKfQR ykrJyQ+RhMbBxwOxeqxqz58eV+lWD2OH+LUvrv1vJ2oB2MnvMXmS1QxoSDm4DCSatHCT lGrg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kqjGr0sINa3zChTBtN30xLMFGGrrKR3ZEo03VYT8CjySjMW8x2j DfS2VxiD8bvL29YGRBdjZjA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXuH64v5bE++WUdNZ380swLUGobuYaZDxY8KpGi6QZlgcBZE3VXFj4NjJLOENsMQdAdbQeszhg== X-Received: by 2002:a1f:3183:0:b0:3dd:f5bd:bd83 with SMTP id x125-20020a1f3183000000b003ddf5bdbd83mr11807235vkx.2.1674331351685; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 12:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from hurd ([2607:fad8:4:3::1001]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t11-20020a05620a034b00b006fa31bf2f3dsm28044994qkm.47.2023.01.21.12.02.31 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 21 Jan 2023 12:02:31 -0800 (PST) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Liliana Marie Prikler Subject: Re: Mention bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar in description of libarchive References: <877cxqwjen.fsf@gmail.com> <87o7qyvmkp.fsf@gmail.com> <69bf571edfe9834851ddcd9f93e8158983b42612.camel@gmail.com> <87bkmytoy6.fsf@gmail.com> <86bkmr3m4t.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 15:02:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Liliana Marie Prikler's message of "Sat, 21 Jan 2023 18:59:48 +0100") Message-ID: <87zgab1wrt.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , Giovanni Biscuolo , Foo Chuan Wei , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, zimoun X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Liliana, Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > Am Samstag, dem 21.01.2023 um 17:09 +0100 schrieb zimoun: >> Hi Liliana, >>=20 >> On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 at 17:38, Simon Tournier >> wrote: >>=20 >> > Thanks.=C2=A0 I will update libarchive description, if no one beats me. >>=20 >> Please find attach the patch. :-)=C2=A0 If it appears to you fine, could >> you merge it? > Hmm, I fear that this line doesn't do much except helping folk to grep > for "bsdtar" et al. Should we perhaps explain in a sentence or two > what those commands do? Either way is fine by me; if we want to summarize what these commands do we could use a '@table @command' construct, I think. --=20 Thanks, Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 22 11:24:07 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2023 16:24:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52489 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJd8Z-0004AH-4r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:24:07 -0500 Received: from mail-wr1-f52.google.com ([209.85.221.52]:43538) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJd8W-00049a-MD for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:24:05 -0500 Received: by mail-wr1-f52.google.com with SMTP id h12so4772914wrv.10 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 08:24:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Ttb0JRAk4Dw16XTKmUxg+WYPTDc4FAf2KkaZukUzTzM=; b=dknO18y3IazWNXPb565OeFCJXqTBLevONkhBn9EmD+V5Rlpb0IjfJkLzNsTarAOL0E gYE1dnEmMHfAt+7K6+NG3eYZiTYxepGl9bGcEl9oWlUhz9pXFD0EHm77nIHN5LlmqP7n N9ETcK8B83zG4s9S18DwO0k4Dx5P5pCZP//yYHsvQP4dgOQjiUJNJCVVwsHDtK4KZI7z MS/EyIJfx4po8cS4MC3UoXFTVjRA3hyAmG8M+Ti2k0ElPnQEct/4WRG8tUFrCH8nRrCb B/jUjzDfVQaIHwhbayQz3c3JtYR5GpPicEASLgXNacT/yVv6lO4LV/hf0juuuZH2I1Ih RSHg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Ttb0JRAk4Dw16XTKmUxg+WYPTDc4FAf2KkaZukUzTzM=; b=UZ3vvp49HCxX9jQTz+xrnnj/DDQSZotbcs5Dw+GQ/0t1v66rIUYjGOyjsWF7yjfE2u Z5jBVcJehdQ4rCw/rjicWcqEkgWy4HnQQpoXLbEe715bWRXp6bwc9dxsZPg8GnzJje/h 4IuWrblw8EjyvCDR974SSdSx7XhokhF3dQmiQ1cWxLD5SMBz/EjT+6AmlK8QNMZFP00H gX6nsLXxo6eCuaKCyGXl/96tokRlzdUp7ocKzh/z+gMnkflGUV+XwyIGWKV9y556f0Ew TW9soPonFxiEnKk15oQ+OQggOpPY/tZkkgbeIfP2kT+CjesDZdBzagQaui6VtQ4gmPqY eIbA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kowJvf/0nZzArsM/y9YuV6AusrNZDeMhLQLU84+jP6sU+xk/mL6 IG92+MUuwO19WymVkvQ3j+o= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXtGGl19qjpKbmu4clbQ5Ex2n4ZgWk7KbiUlfttk9WHrgecpgbfJbn1s+d5nIfiLjeHXB6P74Q== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4483:0:b0:2be:10e3:335a with SMTP id j3-20020a5d4483000000b002be10e3335amr3426118wrq.6.1674404638928; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 08:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from lili ([2a01:e0a:59b:9120:65d2:2476:f637:db1e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j7-20020a5d4487000000b002425be3c9e2sm2866329wrq.60.2023.01.22.08.23.58 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 22 Jan 2023 08:23:58 -0800 (PST) From: zimoun To: Maxim Cournoyer Subject: Re: [bug#52109] Mention bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar in description of libarchive In-Reply-To: <874jsj3bf0.fsf@gmail.com> References: <877cxqwjen.fsf@gmail.com> <87o7qyvmkp.fsf@gmail.com> <69bf571edfe9834851ddcd9f93e8158983b42612.camel@gmail.com> <87bkmytoy6.fsf@gmail.com> <86bkmr3m4t.fsf@gmail.com> <874jsj3bf0.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 15:56:39 +0100 Message-ID: <86r0vm1uu0.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , Giovanni Biscuolo , Foo Chuan Wei , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Liliana Marie Prikler X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Hi Maxim, On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 at 15:00, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: > Nitpick, but I'd use "also provides the @command{bsdcat}, > @command{bsdcpio} and @command{bsdtar} commands.", for the extra > eye-pleasing effect. V2 attached. Cheers, simon --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: inline; filename=v2-0001-gnu-libarchive-Mention-bsdcat-bsdcpio-and-bsdtar-.patch Content-Description: v2.patch >From 1f7ad76468644456dc5fc3cf52de52521f2b35b8 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Simon Tournier Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 17:04:56 +0100 Subject: [PATCH v2] gnu: libarchive: Mention bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar in description. * gnu/packages/backup.scm (libarchive)[description]: Mention the utilities bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar. --- gnu/packages/backup.scm | 5 ++++- 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/gnu/packages/backup.scm b/gnu/packages/backup.scm index 8e629c2592..f3fba4ae50 100644 --- a/gnu/packages/backup.scm +++ b/gnu/packages/backup.scm @@ -333,7 +333,10 @@ (define-public libarchive as gzip and bzip2. The library is inherently stream-oriented; readers serially iterate through the archive, writers serially add things to the archive. In particular, note that there is currently no built-in support for -random access nor for in-place modification.") +random access nor for in-place modification. + +This package also provides the @command{bsdcat}, @command{bsdcpio} and +@command{bsdtar} commands.") 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Should we perhaps explain in a sentence or two > what those commands do? It is not =E2=80=99grep=E2=80=99 but =E2=80=9Cguix search=E2=80=9D so it is= only an internal SEO. ;-) >From my point of view, some explanations about what these commands do are done by the man pages. Well, this trivial patch is just a quick workaround at 2 levels. One, because Guix File Search [1] is almost done but not very popular yet. Two, because this libarchive should be split into 2 different packages or outputs: one for the library itself and another for the commands. 1: However, if a table containing what these utilities do seems appropriated, here the description from the Debian package =E2=80=99libarchive-tools=E2=80=99: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- The bsdtar program is the default system 'tar' program used on FreeBSD. bsdtar uses the libarchive library as a backend which does all of the work for reading and writing archives in various formats. The bsdcpio program is the default system 'cpio' program used on FreeBSD. bsdcpio uses the libarchive library as a backend which does all of the work for reading and writing archives in various formats The bsdcat program reads archived data from files or from its standard input and uses the libarchive library to decompresses it to its standard output. It may be used for viewing the contents of archives or for passing it to other tools for further processing. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Cheers, simon From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 22 12:44:58 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2023 17:44:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52609 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJeOo-0006Ly-8c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 12:44:58 -0500 Received: from mail-ed1-f67.google.com ([209.85.208.67]:41545) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJeOj-0006Lh-0s for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 12:44:56 -0500 Received: by mail-ed1-f67.google.com with SMTP id v10so12104384edi.8 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 09:44:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:content-transfer-encoding:references :in-reply-to:date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=MACZhFDYCnPdpI3/SAI2wt217d5n63pId5LFWmwHyws=; b=BCvpdPyVkLEJOu6VZMaZ3Ag79Op6i6aQRNrlUnX2d7/NItjXRyhgiF5eLN/kx+r1ZM 1kBcA4S/0O9C04M9qWwgqSaToYiDctKcVlO5yBlv2f1UibqFgvKk8AVoRF+InclVqeVN DR4QnLcs5Kyd0j2CY99jidvudq0ajW8+qWxqdMNqhxpZ25cOmKJtOkCyUki/pFQQL4a6 oSq+OF9CZhRI7wCvsFPyd1d32ZbfzqPCWkW51mMQNmDC+iUljg9r1YABrsXEajXGCb1j /hJ3NMg24tga0H1uQ2vUU9lV8nBBeG0T7HbouJ1M6cKS0pyOvyhjZ3rqmkW3UXqflCNe ysVQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:content-transfer-encoding:references :in-reply-to:date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=MACZhFDYCnPdpI3/SAI2wt217d5n63pId5LFWmwHyws=; b=JMW1BkqI3wbxnENnOfrQs5AfHOTDmrtbVeEY4YCMF8x4ZU5iA+HVZSbjhkCu3jrUUx 1yex1U9hPPtqu3C6DWp7KwBl0A/Bmg1PdCiNAM3asd2vcxZJ8PGz/OchjWNpOcXLUzOo 7BwNfIoxxJfeVJADmiSQKfwzXbjQncoMbu8xrLI3fYy3p01Jf8fbxUFM3vG0gjRmQ+vh 6sxYwan1pob6xf5HUlGPeqJRjEOOS1fiUYxc9sp+m1E+PgoR5aEWyHNSLNddj5wEoxWp mrLYjSw1k9qsWj92rrbyEVlM1cJYBjY3lK45uXasNSNaut3an2egvU6wfumw0KBSufdV ZBvQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kqtwZdMzGPikiDcgPWQE3xuVXR8KdaiabH72wgXmLVgAyAUPKIT WwyAbIZfiZ164rtR+/k0NL8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXs0YHL+H19r7VRkfx4DXz45GuZ4q2i9NZap4ZGAxrC65WVzwS6UQlYFsgyObpALEhh09OvaJw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:24a0:b0:499:70a8:f918 with SMTP id q32-20020a05640224a000b0049970a8f918mr27341077eda.16.1674409486883; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 09:44:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from lumine.fritz.box (85-127-52-93.dsl.dynamic.surfer.at. [85.127.52.93]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id da11-20020a056402176b00b0049b5c746df7sm13996685edb.0.2023.01.22.09.44.45 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 22 Jan 2023 09:44:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54d6f7d65b6ece07dcd758449fd833f3290f44a4.camel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [bug#52109] Mention bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar in description of libarchive From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: zimoun , Giovanni Biscuolo , Maxim Cournoyer Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 18:44:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: <86k01e1u8k.fsf@gmail.com> References: <877cxqwjen.fsf@gmail.com> <87o7qyvmkp.fsf@gmail.com> <69bf571edfe9834851ddcd9f93e8158983b42612.camel@gmail.com> <87bkmytoy6.fsf@gmail.com> <86bkmr3m4t.fsf@gmail.com> <86k01e1u8k.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am Sonntag, dem 22.01.2023 um 16:09 +0100 schrieb zimoun: > Hi, >=20 > On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 at 18:59, Liliana Marie Prikler > wrote: >=20 > > > Please find attach the patch. :-)=C2=A0 If it appears to you fine, > > > could you merge it? > >=20 > > Hmm, I fear that this line doesn't do much except helping folk to > > grep for "bsdtar" et al.=C2=A0 Should we perhaps explain in a sentence > > or two what those commands do? >=20 > It is not =E2=80=99grep=E2=80=99 but =E2=80=9Cguix search=E2=80=9D so it = is only an internal SEO. ;-) >=20 > From my point of view, some explanations about what these commands do > are done by the man pages. >=20 > Well, this trivial patch is just a quick workaround at 2 levels.=C2=A0 > One, because Guix File Search [1] is almost done but not very popular > yet. Fair enough. > Two, because this libarchive should be split into 2 different > packages or outputs: one for the library itself and another for the > commands. >=20 > 1: Splitting libarchive outputs is sadly a core-updates change, but we could hide the existing one and add a user-facing one with the split if that's what you desire. I don't think adding a package for just the tools has merits. > However, if a table containing what these utilities do seems > appropriated, here the description from the Debian package > =E2=80=99libarchive-tools=E2=80=99: >=20 > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > The bsdtar program is the default system 'tar' program used on > FreeBSD. bsdtar uses the libarchive library as a backend which does > all of the work for reading and writing archives in various formats. >=20 > The bsdcpio program is the default system 'cpio' program used on > FreeBSD. bsdcpio uses the libarchive library as a backend which does > all of the work for reading and writing archives in various formats >=20 > The bsdcat program reads archived data from files or from its > standard input and uses the libarchive library to decompresses it to > its standard output. It may be used for viewing the contents of > archives or for passing it to other tools for further processing. > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- I think these could be shortened as follows: This package/the 'bin' output also provides @itemize @item @command{bsdtar} and @command{bsdcpio} to pack/unpack archives like @command{tar} and @command{cpio} respectively, and @item @command{bsdcat} to concatenate files like @command{cat} does, while transparently unpacking archives. @end itemize WDYT? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 22 14:27:21 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2023 19:27:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52656 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJfzt-0003so-49 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 14:27:21 -0500 Received: from mail-qt1-f180.google.com ([209.85.160.180]:42836) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJfzq-0003sR-Nq for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 14:27:19 -0500 Received: by mail-qt1-f180.google.com with SMTP id fd15so8197226qtb.9 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:27:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:in-reply-to:date:references :subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=gGzOSYD9a6qXt9boR71cECGXQNe5ZKP793rkgfPyTeQ=; b=W1mt5aDkrLqFOLRQfSqxmq9TG8hJ2G3KonvhNsDVrCK24qZugulTWPuUQ1oC/FWRCU BKqx44WMZ6N1oHmAo2M7cwUy3p1+0eP6wTBTlyNMEDNUS+SHTJSkorlL3Bufgd4psOvZ weRgB5s72QLvJi/IruTLf3k3oibxF2fHJFZ4Tenxaj9zXGyeqrpb+ONZwNJw4/WHMmfd m0NhC7TxgqVSXMgFktjrtmS8+vWCE87xEznL/SNzF1xPy65lgQZe3aJHIA9VGT+MbAzt eAJgYPbfsS8YLGtOGK5OfpVHjA/CPLYuQd5vvh9ISUK9z9Av0n+q/wKqBwL6W7rDf17i AEZQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:in-reply-to:date:references :subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=gGzOSYD9a6qXt9boR71cECGXQNe5ZKP793rkgfPyTeQ=; b=2kvqmh3nq/gIvi6YZv0TIfm+SVp2k8pggBI45gd5RVsUyltJnFZuzTgnLHm6lwdH4T IphKzYOKhUKehfLcXQqC2jKm+h0L9BbeFxwpsxMBqQsJ2ek1IZSvQk5uSBqBBHg8ARR7 VrKINxeghbgTfcFlbb2r3KDJd+84Gzckc5v7aUXzH5BRwNdIsimtcrXB7kJfbc8aehbd i4uODnBaFZldUf4gP18sO0ZCOLgyFdku0oDrxD9hpwI86HQBqDLC3zsoxqHD+SmLwj4s 5rQQKqyegUsfeX9HfvJQEW/7ywh6yCpstxAAw4pn6sDaGorjZd6w3z9z47nf1C3nuWbp Mpmg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kpzJF6YQsdtvBxyRo68c2avZ0ZESLlR2zQRHPH4AtI9JDjzJfB1 HlTToScUetC48Vb95YUGPRg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXu1tbTfL/PgrqRVBebctYzVRbV4OJiHLUnoxRDW8Wtnvwkm9YBEjqM6/MFJU5yiscFQAofMQg== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5a88:0:b0:3b1:4a8:4665 with SMTP id c8-20020ac85a88000000b003b104a84665mr43329094qtc.62.1674415633211; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:27:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from hurd ([2607:fad8:4:3::1001]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ez11-20020a05622a4c8b00b003afbf704c7csm7470419qtb.24.2023.01.22.11.27.12 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:27:12 -0800 (PST) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: zimoun Subject: Re: [bug#52109] Mention bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar in description of libarchive References: <877cxqwjen.fsf@gmail.com> <87o7qyvmkp.fsf@gmail.com> <69bf571edfe9834851ddcd9f93e8158983b42612.camel@gmail.com> <87bkmytoy6.fsf@gmail.com> <86bkmr3m4t.fsf@gmail.com> <874jsj3bf0.fsf@gmail.com> <86r0vm1uu0.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 14:27:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: <86r0vm1uu0.fsf@gmail.com> (zimoun's message of "Sun, 22 Jan 2023 15:56:39 +0100") Message-ID: <87ilgy1ib4.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , Giovanni Biscuolo , Foo Chuan Wei , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Liliana Marie Prikler X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Simon, zimoun writes: > Hi Maxim, > > On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 at 15:00, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: > >> Nitpick, but I'd use "also provides the @command{bsdcat}, >> @command{bsdcpio} and @command{bsdtar} commands.", for the extra >> eye-pleasing effect. > > V2 attached. > > Cheers, > simon > > From 1f7ad76468644456dc5fc3cf52de52521f2b35b8 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Simon Tournier > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 17:04:56 +0100 > Subject: [PATCH v2] gnu: libarchive: Mention bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar in > description. Applied, with light modifications. -- Thanks, Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 22 14:36:29 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2023 19:36:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52661 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJg8j-0004HJ-6Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 14:36:29 -0500 Received: from mail-qv1-f41.google.com ([209.85.219.41]:46645) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJg8f-0004Gv-5q for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 14:36:27 -0500 Received: by mail-qv1-f41.google.com with SMTP id e19so4480484qvw.13 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:36:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id :in-reply-to:date:references:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=YNe0lbhyqZeSujglndcx3I3EDnsPOf5jw2wEKNzAItY=; b=BoNO1UtQMSNF5M1nMq9+a7csWL6D6hEm8Q+ZWRY2ZVIgK6DjNR7vlDr/vbVvrrWvoO ZyynfOlmIZNKDuQzhtlRvwI5XLHVneglzyn9I6yl+2qpTqZeN47kEKIhdMguOdfewhmm fJruCKOpi9wtaOlHAymrhPZ6YUYkyc8h8IZPyMMYMFgiX7aDgjrnQRaKeNoLVth1ws2f DYs/9qXrkYYblgowtBdp2ICyQ3fJPY+Gzy+jv0FNKnJjGUA1I9d8vJh5Rzrh/xuH6Js/ s8kRQYcEKRPbU9X/PWb43YY2YExUxnjVtAxsprXBH/9QNQOukdoHd1FLKvZMwI3E7Xo/ tQuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id :in-reply-to:date:references:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=YNe0lbhyqZeSujglndcx3I3EDnsPOf5jw2wEKNzAItY=; b=TtZ7+iCpheODzl57SysaTdRzqoX3/7RrM4XqnWl1fLq+RfrXdoQQicae9av32NSVhf Z94DZKBcft9rNfQ47HQsblFtOw8EJkySHpx5YGarvz6I//iBh/SIFP2lkMIlZdjXkiLt i2c1m4Qlvl+NPODZ0M//P5wNbYxgjcsZONnN+EbgoTwppf0vZZjg3Tol8G6yTxlnyYI5 dHFHZt/f4i0+ikKu4zD9BnWWggWhPSzjB/+Sl8o8I1loBINnHxauOD5wGKcGt4hBBShy QbqfeBeQ7VRJwQ2130w0RNZ0YDQWyE1Ij5trxCeumovH6/k+dFXdwCW65QBZiWdHG1c8 /zTg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kqYVNpxmisoE+IrJFTIwA9E1jOSepn0lwhG3ROPlFm2SUNCCYZM 5xHJwP7+nG/eJ9BSW04WIWI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXs2CutApLh5snyWmPMxbHdYwQaKCzatSe4gjw/UE0aJ7vZtYP2/I+PTDu1RWx+6scseQfkyNQ== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:9c8a:0:b0:531:b7b1:c31e with SMTP id i10-20020a0c9c8a000000b00531b7b1c31emr31574516qvf.38.1674416179648; Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:36:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from hurd ([2607:fad8:4:3::1001]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q15-20020a05620a038f00b00704a2a40cf2sm4930693qkm.38.2023.01.22.11.36.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:36:19 -0800 (PST) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Liliana Marie Prikler Subject: Re: [bug#52109] Mention bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar in description of libarchive References: <877cxqwjen.fsf@gmail.com> <87o7qyvmkp.fsf@gmail.com> <69bf571edfe9834851ddcd9f93e8158983b42612.camel@gmail.com> <87bkmytoy6.fsf@gmail.com> <86bkmr3m4t.fsf@gmail.com> <86k01e1u8k.fsf@gmail.com> <54d6f7d65b6ece07dcd758449fd833f3290f44a4.camel@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 14:36:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: <54d6f7d65b6ece07dcd758449fd833f3290f44a4.camel@gmail.com> (Liliana Marie Prikler's message of "Sun, 22 Jan 2023 18:44:45 +0100") Message-ID: <87edrm1hvx.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , Giovanni Biscuolo , Foo Chuan Wei , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, zimoun X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Liliana, Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > Am Sonntag, dem 22.01.2023 um 16:09 +0100 schrieb zimoun: >> Hi, >>=20 >> On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 at 18:59, Liliana Marie Prikler >> wrote: >>=20 >> > > Please find attach the patch. :-)=C2=A0 If it appears to you fine, >> > > could you merge it? >> >=20 >> > Hmm, I fear that this line doesn't do much except helping folk to >> > grep for "bsdtar" et al.=C2=A0 Should we perhaps explain in a sentence >> > or two what those commands do? >>=20 >> It is not =E2=80=99grep=E2=80=99 but =E2=80=9Cguix search=E2=80=9D so it= is only an internal SEO. ;-) >>=20 >> From my point of view, some explanations about what these commands do >> are done by the man pages. >>=20 >> Well, this trivial patch is just a quick workaround at 2 levels.=C2=A0 >> One, because Guix File Search [1] is almost done but not very popular >> yet. > Fair enough. > >> Two, because this libarchive should be split into 2 different >> packages or outputs: one for the library itself and another for the >> commands. >>=20 >> 1: > Splitting libarchive outputs is sadly a core-updates change, but we > could hide the existing one and add a user-facing one with the split if > that's what you desire. I don't think adding a package for just the > tools has merits. > >> However, if a table containing what these utilities do seems >> appropriated, here the description from the Debian package >> =E2=80=99libarchive-tools=E2=80=99: >>=20 >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> The bsdtar program is the default system 'tar' program used on >> FreeBSD. bsdtar uses the libarchive library as a backend which does >> all of the work for reading and writing archives in various formats. >>=20 >> The bsdcpio program is the default system 'cpio' program used on >> FreeBSD. bsdcpio uses the libarchive library as a backend which does >> all of the work for reading and writing archives in various formats >>=20 >> The bsdcat program reads archived data from files or from its >> standard input and uses the libarchive library to decompresses it to >> its standard output. It may be used for viewing the contents of >> archives or for passing it to other tools for further processing. >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > I think these could be shortened as follows: > > This package/the 'bin' output also provides > @itemize > @item @command{bsdtar} and @command{bsdcpio} to pack/unpack archives > like @command{tar} and @command{cpio} respectively, and > @item @command{bsdcat} to concatenate files like @command{cat} does, > while transparently unpacking archives. > @end itemize Like Simon, I think just mentioning the commands solve the lack of discovery problem that they reported about these commands; the details themselves can be further looked up by users via the manpages or --help output, since the above description wouldn't provide much more than what can be guessed already. I pushed Simon's suggested change. --=20 Thanks, Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 23 04:31:53 2023 Received: (at 52109) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jan 2023 09:31:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53364 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJtBB-0006FM-3Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 04:31:53 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-f45.google.com ([209.85.128.45]:43525) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJtB9-0006Ey-6T for 52109@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 04:31:52 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-f45.google.com with SMTP id d4-20020a05600c3ac400b003db1de2aef0so8038918wms.2 for <52109@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 01:31:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:date:references :in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=icbXhQ2fYArEn95fYCVFUwIsjHF96Ajnnc05y5BuaHQ=; b=O/UVCbsB2zu03f4bRnr7sU1S62Wmzq4hwsuwqQQSnvHmfbqDBlkZUXtILiFUkeHWkN ozHGYLoUequ9Np+nJ/SfR5mccYT9hrZ+XsdNaRW1EV9GxQuacV2kPXTKV7fcrnuwcIPa x5dbfmP7RlQ9+KAI6ZdAh/mcKTSM/Wxj619H0km9Ut9z32dNqelP4+laOowVjWcp56cD q3vDNHPcMxusN0AeLPsceHw4dtUxVGE2cLKP7iYOIUMWbGouCG0rxaDEhtWgxpagD6Ol KtMcanagVBvpGdWa1ggU79SS3vVyCJqkAIpncG0Dl+Wi1fX9mTVbIFCrcOlcZ32RpBIK LttA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:date:references :in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=icbXhQ2fYArEn95fYCVFUwIsjHF96Ajnnc05y5BuaHQ=; b=XELX3/9kdUpLhj8uySZeqh1TWXM5/hb8pTM4HcCq3Ko0GcnofCTpRy0yWBfL5nNJ6H WpYAycjHQPNR0/yVsgNEaijvzQvmo45Hy7K0IJgpmUX6GqBXmD7eMd7eznj5eABE1UbT d6bLVF64l3JBAx+fN//jV2K2saUteK90/4vCmcluK6WZSckrL5XOBuUetFdY97hulu8Y RuxGKb9QgpUsC6wA9eFm25M6lnkCquWHx7a7NpTj72Sy84+idappRPvPIFTly3GzFu7N UK664ZDhPuMlsF7N5rbYf67/HlmS3ZUZbH/mtVJjduNm6DY4T5pUJ1A0bRrLk+rUtOg3 RanA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2koKMD6RqSZu65JNrfhRbTnBu0EkqysQZFStuCsV686zkBR3a72Q kfW9Z7UaiIaQagnNzGc5kIY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXv2d4DBF4RXGcqvNqjGPpgzKVpk5j5dMCEYXOsr5MHAgI172DhVngCULLwurhZgUm5LcWtd+w== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:1e22:b0:3db:2063:425e with SMTP id ay34-20020a05600c1e2200b003db2063425emr3959671wmb.1.1674466305207; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 01:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from lili ([2a01:e0a:59b:9120:65d2:2476:f637:db1e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bg1-20020a05600c3c8100b003db09eaddb5sm21178575wmb.3.2023.01.23.01.31.44 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 23 Jan 2023 01:31:44 -0800 (PST) From: zimoun To: Liliana Marie Prikler , Giovanni Biscuolo , Maxim Cournoyer Subject: Re: [bug#52109] Mention bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar in description of libarchive In-Reply-To: <54d6f7d65b6ece07dcd758449fd833f3290f44a4.camel@gmail.com> References: <877cxqwjen.fsf@gmail.com> <87o7qyvmkp.fsf@gmail.com> <69bf571edfe9834851ddcd9f93e8158983b42612.camel@gmail.com> <87bkmytoy6.fsf@gmail.com> <86bkmr3m4t.fsf@gmail.com> <86k01e1u8k.fsf@gmail.com> <54d6f7d65b6ece07dcd758449fd833f3290f44a4.camel@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 08:45:36 +0100 Message-ID: <86y1ptzobj.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Liliana, On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 at 18:44, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > Splitting libarchive outputs is sadly a core-updates change, but we > could hide the existing one and add a user-facing one with the split if > that's what you desire. I don't think adding a package for just the > tools has merits. Well, I think the addition of a =E2=80=99bin=E2=80=99 outputs would be the = most suitable, even if it is a core-updates change. > This package/the 'bin' output also provides > @itemize > @item @command{bsdtar} and @command{bsdcpio} to pack/unpack archives > like @command{tar} and @command{cpio} respectively, and > @item @command{bsdcat} to concatenate files like @command{cat} does, > while transparently unpacking archives. > @end itemize This table looks good to me. Although Maxim pushed the v2 (which I find already enough :-)), it could be included for the package containing a =E2=80=99bin=E2=80=99 outputs directed to core-updates. WDYT? 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[85.127.52.93]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e2-20020a170906314200b007c08439161dsm22367723eje.50.2023.01.23.11.29.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:29:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bug#52109] Mention bsdcat, bsdcpio and bsdtar in description of libarchive From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: zimoun , Giovanni Biscuolo , Maxim Cournoyer Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 20:29:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: <86y1ptzobj.fsf@gmail.com> References: <877cxqwjen.fsf@gmail.com> <87o7qyvmkp.fsf@gmail.com> <69bf571edfe9834851ddcd9f93e8158983b42612.camel@gmail.com> <87bkmytoy6.fsf@gmail.com> <86bkmr3m4t.fsf@gmail.com> <86k01e1u8k.fsf@gmail.com> <54d6f7d65b6ece07dcd758449fd833f3290f44a4.camel@gmail.com> <86y1ptzobj.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52109 Cc: kiasoc5 , 52109@debbugs.gnu.org, Foo Chuan Wei X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am Montag, dem 23.01.2023 um 08:45 +0100 schrieb zimoun: > Hi Liliana, >=20 > On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 at 18:44, Liliana Marie Prikler > wrote: >=20 > > Splitting libarchive outputs is sadly a core-updates change, but we > > could hide the existing one and add a user-facing one with the > > split if that's what you desire.=C2=A0 I don't think adding a package > > for just the tools has merits. >=20 > Well, I think the addition of a =E2=80=99bin=E2=80=99 outputs would be th= e most > suitable, even if it is a core-updates change. >=20 > > This package/the 'bin' output also provides > > @itemize > > @item @command{bsdtar} and @command{bsdcpio} to pack/unpack > > archives > > like @command{tar} and @command{cpio} respectively, and > > @item @command{bsdcat} to concatenate files like @command{cat} > > does, > > while transparently unpacking archives. > > @end itemize >=20 > This table looks good to me.=C2=A0 Although Maxim pushed the v2 (which I > find already enough :-)), it could be included for the package > containing a =E2=80=99bin=E2=80=99 outputs directed to core-updates.=C2= =A0 WDYT? I have no strong preference for either solution (with the other solution being keeping the package as pushed by Maxim). If you think we should do a bin output with that description, go for it. Cheers From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:44:40 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 12:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator